This is critical. Guys like to make fun of us who use full belt rigs, because none of the UA-cam Tacticool guys do, but on day 4 of the boog you'll be wishing you had one.
Wish they had this years ago, I built out a Eagle H Harness similar to Brent's a few years back and I love it, I'm sure this will sell well. Looks like a great option for anyone looking for sustainment.
Welcome to the belt kit .. Us British have been using them for ever.. They give you some much more than a chestrig.. Happy New year to you and the family 🎉🎉.. Atb from the UK..
That is an AWESOME rig, Brother !!! It's a great overall set up, that will allow you to do multiple mission load outs. I use the old LCE for my hiking, camping, scouting (with the Boy Scouts), orienteering, patrolling, reconnaissance, etc. It's like putting on an old flannel shirt...fully functional, brings back great memories, and is like an old friend - dependable. I have an "updated" rig that I have been trying out for the last year or 2, with the Condor Gen II "battle belt" and H-harness, and several molle pouches (of various types, interchanging them as needed or wanted), so it has been an "adventure", to say the least. I have looked into getting the Eagle H-Harness after watching one of your videos, and will be looking into this DZ rig as well. Thank you for the information and update on this type of stuff. Keep up the great work !!!
John, between your great chest rigs and the DG Rig it will round out my ability to react to any situation. Good point, it is a fighting system not a survival rig. Good video with a lot of good info.
This one looks really good. I have a Carcajou Tactical belt kit and it’s been fantastic! I’m sure this one is just as good, at a better price point, but I wanted the full customizable/scalable rig. Good vid!
I really need to get my hands on one of these. I've been playing with an ATAPS rig lately but something like a full on jungle belt kit would be amazing for my environment.
If you ride the belt higher, it sits at the waist instead of hips so you can take a knee with front pouches. Can't make most packs work, though. I dont see people comparing ALICE against PLCE on this note.
I do like me a butt pack for snivel gear, but this looks very comfortable. I really like the PLCE-style harness. Will be keeping an eye out for it in the next month or two! 🤙
This will fill a role for me. Was happy with my LBV / Alice gear that I took to OIF2, last couple years turned me into a gear q@&#r.😅 Looking forward to hopefully shaking some stuff down in Montana with Scout & Dolio in 2024. I sure hope that UW Gear guy has my Swamp Fox rig done before I head out there. 😉
DZ Rig well thought out - useful and functional. I like it. There's too many reasons to mention here to utilize this style of LBE. I prefer 'slick front' belt/harness style - always. If I need less I'll grab a purse. If I'm taking the time to put something on I like having a full complement of battle rattle - makin' and plugin' holes, water and a decent size waist/butt pack/GP pouch - that's it. Anything else goes in the 'Big Green Tick' or an assault pack. Like many - I've cobbled together several rigs out of mil-surp LBE - ALICE, LBVs, MOLLE - FLCs, Eagle harness systems, etc. (Notice I didn't mention PCs. They have a place - for me it's CQB/Urban environments with likely contact - like when the FBI knocks on your door.) The DZ Rig is likely much lighter than anything I have and looks very comfortable. I'm sure the price point is well researched. If I broke down my LBE collection to original configuration and sold it all along with my surplus packs on 'eBay' I'd likely have enough money to buy a DD AR15, DZ Rig with matching back pack and enough left over to get a pair of new boots! I'll bet once a few of these DZ Rigs are seen on the neighborhood LARPers they'll be in high demand. 👍👍
I think LBE style rigs are still a viable option. The counter insurgency fighting on the last 20 years in Iraq/Afghanistan wrapped US perception of infantry equipment.
Charlie,don't know if you read Comments,but real Quick.I am in Wyoming..very dry State, Hydration Critical .Deuce Gear carry 2 Canteens ,Butt Pack,2 ,3 mag pouches.and then a A Charlie Becker to Top it off.That Butt Pack critical to have ancillary Cold weather gear .. Merino Wool top bottom wool sweater and ? Golf Shirt.Sustainment pouches not conducive to carrying that.Also is that padding close cell foam? ie Flotation for hitting deep holes in a Water crossing .
What material are the pouches made of? Helikon Tex makes AR/AK pouches that take both mags without a struggle. Why these tight tolerances here? Why no buttpack alternative to the permanently fixed Utility Pouches on back?
you should check out the So tech rig, the rifleman set is a straight hitman setup. Your rig is bad ass, just got mine in multicam will be fun sorting it to fit my needs.
My question is were is there a spot for a pistol, i dont wanna wear a crotch rot thigh rig but i dont wanna remove pouches. Ive have a habit of wanting to mount a pistol holster on my hip. Im not military but i worked in private security and run my security belt in the a.l.i.c.e./lbe format
I just got one of these and am working on getting it fully setup. How do I properly adjust the ride position? Is it all user preference? Should the top of the back be at my lower back and front buckle near normal belt line under my gut or more in line with belly button?
Niiiiiiiice!!! I'd like to see an option where I can remove the center-rear pouch to be compatible with my Ruck, but that is solid (and glad it comes in US Woodland as all things should lol).
I have mentioned that I think and all molle base harness would be a good option to add to the lineup, that way it can be configured how the end user wants it.
@@AlphaCharlieConcepts Yeah for sure, I do like the pouches being stitched on for that bomb-proofness but some spots it's kinda necessary for modularity, 100%.
Nice setup! I find it interesting that our hanging gear is working backwards as fast as we can go. I hate to say it but maybe the conflict in Ukraine has waken many up to the idea that what happened in the GWOT is not total war. A good thing in my opinion.
I am absolutely going to have to get this when I have the funds. Had I known Diz was going to bring a kit he designed to market, I wouldn’t have bought my Jay Jays setup. I absolutely need those mag pouches as I hate Velcro, hate lids that don’t totally cover the mags on some kit like this. Any idea if the mag pouches can hold SR25 mags? Great review and video as always man!
@@AlphaCharlieConcepts Thank you for the info! If CF sells these mag pouches separately, they will be a mandatory buy for me, in God’s plaid of course. Thanks again and have a great New Year!
Have looked at DZ Rig and JayJays Gen 4 Commanders belt kit. Personal opinion, but JayJays belt kit is better. However, that said, love the 3 ways the DZ pouches can close.
I was sold until the point that the packs on the rear were sewn on. If they make a version in which I can put whatever I want wherever I want on the belt I'm not interested.
@@AlphaCharlieConcepts I keep a rip away IFAK in the middle back of my belt and other specific packs which I've had for decades. Sewn on GP packs means I can't run my rig the way I'm accustomed to and would need to change habits and load out. Not going to happen. I'd, also need a way to alter it to run a chest piece where I keep an admin pouch. Otherwise, I like the system.
Blue Jean Operator's video advertisement for this got me researching LBE. This DX seems way overpriced compared to a combat proven British PLCE rig or commercial version (KitPimp, JayJays, etc.) Surplus under $120, the commercial versions ~$220. DZ $350+?
The surplus versions are priced right, but the quality and minor details will probably be under the bar of anything from Diz or Crossfire. Meanwhile the JayJay's might list for that but once you price in the shipping to the US, it's roughly equal to this rig and you don'tget tuck tabs(which is the bee's knees). Moral of the story, when the DZ rig drops, buy it!
30 minutes of video and no mention of the materials used to make this. I've looked on the crossfire website, it doesn't mention it either, to be fair, neither does velocity systems. Is this nylon, is this 500D or 1000D Cordura? Because rigs like this for $300-$500 needs to be 1000D Cordura, otherwise you're fleecing people.
The cost of gear, is primarily in the R&D and actual manhours to make it, not the cost of the materials. For the record, the woodland and tiger are 1000D, and the others 500D. Eventually, everything will be 500D. There is no fleecing involved.
Have you priced a chest rig with virtually no real estate or materials these days? You’re looking at $200 with nothing more than a bikini on your titties.
They're really comfy. But I don't recommend belt kit to first time gear buyers because they're very niche relative to a modestly sized chest rig. They excel at short duration dismount stuff like a One Shepherd FTX. Threeish days and then back to camp. If it was 1930 and we walked everywhere with supply trucks following behind the infantry columns it'd be even more ideal. It's particularly amenable to working with MILES gear. No need to work around the sensors on your chest that were designed back when LC-2 kit was the norm. But for the average user I think putting your second line on the front of your torso makes it as viable to wear riding in the back seat of a sedan as it would be rucking 120lb over a mountain, and that flexibility is worth more than minmaxing body mechanics for ideal weight placement if you're not enough of a gear nerd to have multiple different clones of ultimately the same setup in a slightly different form.
The problem with this sort of gear is that it is never in stock, or extremely expensive. This looks reasonably priced, but my guess is you'll never get your hands on one.
Look at is beeing worn in the Ukraine/Russia war lbe load outs the gwat wars are ddifferent i believe the lbes will come back. There is one issue i see with this rig vs the british plce needs 4 of the sustainment pouchs not 3
This is critical. Guys like to make fun of us who use full belt rigs, because none of the UA-cam Tacticool guys do, but on day 4 of the boog you'll be wishing you had one.
Should really be the foundation for the majority of non mechanized fighters. The British light infantry know what's up, their plce setups are great.
@@CallofWar5 absolutely. Our last 20 years of riding in vehicles everywhere has been a disaster for light infantry skill.
Very true
Exactly.
Good point and I agree. I’ve been using the Nixieworks lfr for the last year and haven’t looked back
Wish they had this years ago, I built out a Eagle H Harness similar to Brent's a few years back and I love it, I'm sure this will sell well. Looks like a great option for anyone looking for sustainment.
Welcome to the belt kit ..
Us British have been using them for ever..
They give you some much more than a chestrig..
Happy New year to you and the family 🎉🎉..
Atb from the UK..
No MicroRig users have ever been recorded in the annals of history. This rig looks amazing. Real gear for real use by real people. Go with God.
I love the deliberate triggering of the food/drink crybabies. Well played, cousin!
You know me....
I saw the mug and clicked the thumbs up button.
I built something similar, a throwback to my old 58 pattern webbing.
That is an AWESOME rig, Brother !!!
It's a great overall set up, that will allow you to do multiple mission load outs.
I use the old LCE for my hiking, camping, scouting (with the Boy Scouts), orienteering, patrolling, reconnaissance, etc.
It's like putting on an old flannel shirt...fully functional, brings back great memories, and is like an old friend - dependable.
I have an "updated" rig that I have been trying out for the last year or 2, with the Condor Gen II "battle belt" and H-harness, and several molle pouches (of various types, interchanging them as needed or wanted), so it has been an "adventure", to say the least.
I have looked into getting the Eagle H-Harness after watching one of your videos, and will be looking into this DZ rig as well.
Thank you for the information and update on this type of stuff.
Keep up the great work !!!
My diy LCE suspender and belt is worn lower like the PLCE. Works better with a pack. Looks like a great setup and worth every dollar. .
John, between your great chest rigs and the DG Rig it will round out my ability to react to any situation. Good point, it is a fighting system not a survival rig. Good video with a lot of good info.
This one looks really good. I have a Carcajou Tactical belt kit and it’s been fantastic! I’m sure this one is just as good, at a better price point, but I wanted the full customizable/scalable rig. Good vid!
I've been very interested in the Carcajou rig, but it's a bit out of my price range at the moment.
I really need to get my hands on one of these. I've been playing with an ATAPS rig lately but something like a full on jungle belt kit would be amazing for my environment.
We had something similar (snack wise) powdered sugar covered cookies with blueberries - man they were delicious
I agree with you John except for using a pack all the time every time but that's just a different in opinion and area of operations and plans
If you ride the belt higher, it sits at the waist instead of hips so you can take a knee with front pouches. Can't make most packs work, though. I dont see people comparing ALICE against PLCE on this note.
Happy New Year brother! Keep it clean! Semper fi
I do like me a butt pack for snivel gear, but this looks very comfortable. I really like the PLCE-style harness. Will be keeping an eye out for it in the next month or two! 🤙
This will fill a role for me. Was happy with my LBV / Alice gear that I took to OIF2, last couple years turned me into a gear q@&#r.😅 Looking forward to hopefully shaking some stuff down in Montana with Scout & Dolio in 2024. I sure hope that UW Gear guy has my Swamp Fox rig done before I head out there. 😉
Shoot me an email.
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DZ Rig well thought out - useful and functional. I like it. There's too many reasons to mention here to utilize this style of LBE. I prefer 'slick front' belt/harness style - always. If I need less I'll grab a purse. If I'm taking the time to put something on I like having a full complement of battle rattle - makin' and plugin' holes, water and a decent size waist/butt pack/GP pouch - that's it. Anything else goes in the 'Big Green Tick' or an assault pack. Like many - I've cobbled together several rigs out of mil-surp LBE - ALICE, LBVs, MOLLE - FLCs, Eagle harness systems, etc. (Notice I didn't mention PCs. They have a place - for me it's CQB/Urban environments with likely contact - like when the FBI knocks on your door.) The DZ Rig is likely much lighter than anything I have and looks very comfortable. I'm sure the price point is well researched. If I broke down my LBE collection to original configuration and sold it all along with my surplus packs on 'eBay' I'd likely have enough money to buy a DD AR15, DZ Rig with matching back pack and enough left over to get a pair of new boots! I'll bet once a few of these DZ Rigs are seen on the neighborhood LARPers they'll be in high demand. 👍👍
I think LBE style rigs are still a viable option. The counter insurgency fighting on the last 20 years in Iraq/Afghanistan wrapped US perception of infantry equipment.
Been waiting for this one
The question for me is...should I sell my Multicam Jay Jay's Gen IV PLCE to fund an American made version in M81 or not...very tough decision.
Depends on personal preference really. I think this is worth it as it improves on a few things. But that doesn't make the Jay Jays bad..
Yes. Be stronger.
John, can you do a short vid with that rig and say the swamp fox 4 on together? And then with the patrol pack on as well? Thanks Brother
I'll see what I can do. Give me a couple of weeks.
@@AlphaCharlieConcepts appreciate it. Also I’m patiently waiting for you to be caught up because I wanna get a Swamp Fox 4 for a while now. Thanks!
Charlie,don't know if you read Comments,but real Quick.I am in Wyoming..very dry State, Hydration Critical .Deuce Gear carry 2 Canteens ,Butt Pack,2 ,3 mag pouches.and then a A Charlie Becker to Top it off.That Butt Pack critical to have ancillary Cold weather gear .. Merino Wool top bottom wool sweater and ? Golf Shirt.Sustainment pouches not conducive to carrying that.Also is that padding close cell foam? ie Flotation for hitting deep holes in a Water crossing .
What material are the pouches made of?
Helikon Tex makes AR/AK pouches that take both mags without a struggle. Why these tight tolerances here?
Why no buttpack alternative to the permanently fixed Utility Pouches on back?
you should check out the So tech rig, the rifleman set is a straight hitman setup. Your rig is bad ass, just got mine in multicam will be fun sorting it to fit my needs.
how does the thickness of the shoulder strap padding work with a packs straps ?
It works ok. They will be coming out with a thinner version though as I understand it.
@@AlphaCharlieConcepts Thanks
I like this a lot, I’m wondering how well it will hold m14 mags. Also wish there was room for an IFAK.
Based on a reply John made on the thread, I believe it would hold both FAL & M14/M1A mags. I also love the Cold War battle rifles!
My question is were is there a spot for a pistol, i dont wanna wear a crotch rot thigh rig but i dont wanna remove pouches. Ive have a habit of wanting to mount a pistol holster on my hip. Im not military but i worked in private security and run my security belt in the a.l.i.c.e./lbe format
I just got one of these and am working on getting it fully setup. How do I properly adjust the ride position? Is it all user preference?
Should the top of the back be at my lower back and front buckle near normal belt line under my gut or more in line with belly button?
Thank you😺
Niiiiiiiice!!! I'd like to see an option where I can remove the center-rear pouch to be compatible with my Ruck, but that is solid (and glad it comes in US Woodland as all things should lol).
I have mentioned that I think and all molle base harness would be a good option to add to the lineup, that way it can be configured how the end user wants it.
@@AlphaCharlieConcepts Yeah for sure, I do like the pouches being stitched on for that bomb-proofness but some spots it's kinda necessary for modularity, 100%.
The mug handle resembles a forged fire steel for flint & steel work 🔥 🪵 🏕️ there is also room for the Viking Mug in that DZ rig 😏
Looks like an awesome rig and I really like the mag pouches! Do you know if they will sell them separately?
Not sure.
Good video as always John.
Nice setup! I find it interesting that our hanging gear is working backwards as fast as we can go. I hate to say it but maybe the conflict in Ukraine has waken many up to the idea that what happened in the GWOT is not total war. A good thing in my opinion.
sweet looking rig !!!
The rig is awesome! The jacket need to know more about the jacket ?
0241 Tactical Smock Lite
Good morning brother omg I love the coffee mug
I wish my oldest son would have gotten me a sweet mug. Should have had one 😂. My daughter just buys me ammo 😮
Your daughter is a princess. You are blessed. Perhaps the Holy Spirit is sending you a hint to buy a pack like this for all your girl’s ammo? 😏
I am absolutely going to have to get this when I have the funds. Had I known Diz was going to bring a kit he designed to market, I wouldn’t have bought my Jay Jays setup. I absolutely need those mag pouches as I hate Velcro, hate lids that don’t totally cover the mags on some kit like this. Any idea if the mag pouches can hold SR25 mags?
Great review and video as always man!
I can fit two 20 or 25 round .308 PMags in a mag pouch. The 20's sit pretty low but work.
@@AlphaCharlieConcepts Thank you for the info! If CF sells these mag pouches separately, they will be a mandatory buy for me, in God’s plaid of course. Thanks again and have a great New Year!
What ruck do you have on? Just a generic ALICE pack?
Are those triple mag pouches able to fit ar10 or ak mags?
I'm a big fan of belt kit or LBE
Charlie by the way enjoy all your Content.You must have been a Rigger in Airborne parlayed that into a Skill that we are all benefits us all.
Any snickerdools
Very cool!
Look at that sweet TW patch.
It is indeed...
Have looked at DZ Rig and JayJays Gen 4 Commanders belt kit. Personal opinion, but JayJays belt kit is better. However, that said, love the 3 ways the DZ pouches can close.
The dz ICC awesome John thought had been needed for quiet some time it's the best of both kits britts ans our
You need to sit there and eat a whole sub sandwich while doing a review sometime. That would be amazing.
I was sold until the point that the packs on the rear were sewn on. If they make a version in which I can put whatever I want wherever I want on the belt I'm not interested.
Uhhh, OK.
@@AlphaCharlieConcepts I keep a rip away IFAK in the middle back of my belt and other specific packs which I've had for decades. Sewn on GP packs means I can't run my rig the way I'm accustomed to and would need to change habits and load out. Not going to happen. I'd, also need a way to alter it to run a chest piece where I keep an admin pouch.
Otherwise, I like the system.
Still not sure what your point is, but again, OK..
It’s hard to believe the US military got away from the LBE.
Be cool if they made a version with a buttpack instead of the sustainment pouches.
MSRP?
Nice
nice kit.
LOOKS LIKE ! Vietnam Jungle Rig
Sold. Ranger green.
Blue Jean Operator's video advertisement for this got me researching LBE. This DX seems way overpriced compared to a combat proven British PLCE rig or commercial version (KitPimp, JayJays, etc.) Surplus under $120, the commercial versions ~$220. DZ $350+?
If anything, this is underpriced.
The surplus versions are priced right, but the quality and minor details will probably be under the bar of anything from Diz or Crossfire. Meanwhile the JayJay's might list for that but once you price in the shipping to the US, it's roughly equal to this rig and you don'tget tuck tabs(which is the bee's knees). Moral of the story, when the DZ rig drops, buy it!
Jay jays gen 4 when converted to dollars from pounds is more expensive. Forget adding shipping…
30 minutes of video and no mention of the materials used to make this. I've looked on the crossfire website, it doesn't mention it either, to be fair, neither does velocity systems. Is this nylon, is this 500D or 1000D Cordura? Because rigs like this for $300-$500 needs to be 1000D Cordura, otherwise you're fleecing people.
The cost of gear, is primarily in the R&D and actual manhours to make it, not the cost of the materials. For the record, the woodland and tiger are 1000D, and the others 500D. Eventually, everything will be 500D. There is no fleecing involved.
Have you priced a chest rig with virtually no real estate or materials these days? You’re looking at $200 with nothing more than a bikini on your titties.
They're really comfy. But I don't recommend belt kit to first time gear buyers because they're very niche relative to a modestly sized chest rig.
They excel at short duration dismount stuff like a One Shepherd FTX. Threeish days and then back to camp. If it was 1930 and we walked everywhere with supply trucks following behind the infantry columns it'd be even more ideal. It's particularly amenable to working with MILES gear. No need to work around the sensors on your chest that were designed back when LC-2 kit was the norm.
But for the average user I think putting your second line on the front of your torso makes it as viable to wear riding in the back seat of a sedan as it would be rucking 120lb over a mountain, and that flexibility is worth more than minmaxing body mechanics for ideal weight placement if you're not enough of a gear nerd to have multiple different clones of ultimately the same setup in a slightly different form.
The problem with this sort of gear is that it is never in stock, or extremely expensive. This looks reasonably priced, but my guess is you'll never get your hands on one.
It hasn’t released yet
Since you and Matt Bracken are best buds, what ever happened to him? Seems like he dropped off the map...
Look at is beeing worn in the Ukraine/Russia war lbe load outs the gwat wars are ddifferent i believe the lbes will come back. There is one issue i see with this rig vs the british plce needs 4 of the sustainment pouchs not 3
Lol😅