you forgot to mention at the moment there is a audit being conducted of all members because there was players using a bug to exploit the hourglasses to get a higher drop of tokens and i play the same way you do only put the hourglasses on in best case scenarios even just loading 1.30 hours it lasts all day when done right the highest drops of tokens are coming from boss chests when the dungeons are completed i did a full day a couple days ago of testing just putting on the glasses when the dungeon is complete before the box is opened and i am averaging about 15 tokens per box but not all boss chests will drop tokens i made just over 200 tokens that day just using them during the boxes being opened about 5 minutes of time used on my hourglasses to get the tokens this is the most cost effective way to utilize your time on the hour glasses with the highest probability of payout
Yes, I forgot mention the audit and the speed hack bug that they are working on. Also, when I first read the audit announcement, I thought it would take 7 days, but looking at it again, they said at least 7 days. That's important so thanks for pointing that out. I like that strategy! And will test it out soon. Ty, I'm all for trying new ways to optimize.
i think i played with you i am slayor in game i play with charliep all the time, i believe also that they turned down the token drops at the moment not the average it was post update most likely to purge the exploiting players before starting the next leaderboard @@JeffLosaria
Yeah, I think I did play with you. Nice, to see you again! I used to play with CharlieP a lot during Gold Early Access. And the past few days, I've been noticing this as well, but didn't play enough to be sure. Good to know, I was just talking to a few people and they speculate it will return to normal once the audit is once and leaderboard starts again @@benjaminh4537
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I didn't get your calculations in the end. Can you please explain why you would loose money if you earn only 60 bigtime / hour? As far as I understood you have a lot of hours to play, so if you make average of 12-13$ / hour, you can make 120-130$ per 10 hours, meaning you should have ROI in like 50 hours. If you have like 216 hours to play, you should theoretically make around 2000$ isn't that right?
I wish UA-cam would let me paste an image of the model built, but let's dive into the numbers. The 216 hours to play is the estimate of how much actual play time you need to use up all 36 hours of active hourglass time. This is because using the trick I mentioned of only equipping hourglasses instead of using them for the full dungeon run. You're only using it for a fraction of the time while farming. This means that the actual hourglass time you have to earn is 36 hours which is the default rate when long-charging an hourglass. Using 36 hours * 60 $BigTime/hour = 2,160 $BigTime earn for the 36 total hours Let's use the bottom range of $BigTime's Price @ $0.13 * 2,160 $BigTime = $280.80 is our potential revenue per set of hourglasses Now, we have to minus the expenses: - $255 for how much we paid for the hourglasses on the marketplace ($51 * 5) - $249.97 for how much we paid in Time Crystal cost (18,750 for unlocking 4 additional hourglass slots + **11,664 Average Prestige Portal Cost -- Clearing 3.6 Dungeons/Hour * 90 average Prestige entry fee * 36 hours) - $60 for buying NFTs needed for Prestige Portal Requirements Total Expenses = $564.97 Revenue - Expenses = Profit/Loss $280.80 - $564.97 = $-(284.17) This example is the Profit/Loss for Earning 60 $BigTime and if $BigTime's Price is $0.13. All the other examples in the video follow the same calculations. **In reviewing this, because I only estimated the Prestige Portal Time Crystal using only 36 hours, this cost is potentially higher if using the time saving trick. The optimized scenario would need to be updated so I'll cover this in a future video. Still need to do more tracking on hourglass time used to hours played. But there's a few factors that can potentially help offset the cost: - Time crystals drop in dungeons - Prestige Portals range in cost - Groups farm Prestige portals with $BigTime fees as long as it's cheap and can earn $BigTime more than the fee
Hey you're welcome! Thank you for your interest in my excel models. Please note that many individuals have already supported my work by purchasing these models privately. Out of respect for their support, I'm unable to provide the sheets for free. Sorry about that, and I appreciate your understanding in this matter. 🙏 I'm working on an updated guide and currently farming so I can get accurate numbers so let out for that!
The basis is on what Prestige Farming groups have typically required based on my experience. Most groups will ask for members to have at least 3 uncommons with 2-3 tags of craftable/Preseason and/or orgin. When searching the portals we'll find are usually these: - 3 uncommon to unique - 2 with the tag of Preseason, Craftable or Orgin - With the occasional third tag of a certain color, season or anything random Other portals we look for are: - 4 uncommons or higher rarity Bare minimum portals are: - 2 commons cosmetic or higher But you don't run into this requirement too often and will find the other above more easily. If you have your own group that's fine, but if you're randomly partying with farming groups most will ask you to buy the addition NFTs or kick you out if they keep finding portals and you're the only one who's holding them back. I rented out all my NFTs previously and obly had 2 cosmetics. Thought this would be enough, but in the beginning, I got kicked out of a lot of groups for not having the bare minimum of 3 uncommons so that was my basis. In the video, I recommended having 3 uncommons and 3 craftables because that covers most groups except those who also want 4 uncommons. 3 Craftbable armor pieces will get you both the tags of Preseason, Craftable and whatever additional tags they have like white or blue. 3 uncommons: - 1-handed weapons are cheap and most have the origin tag plus colors - 1 uncommon title is cheaper as well around $3 and most have the origin tag - Uncommon Shield is more expensive around $30-$40+ but you have flexibility with the 1-handed weapon to wear 2 NFT cosmetics compared to only 1 if you equip a 2 handed-weapon. Just make sure to have a second set of items with a 1-handed weapon and shield. These aren't set requirements just what I've found from grouping with a lot of random groups. Mix and match based on what you think is best and what your groups require.
@@jayronsantos2232 You're welcome, I only typically use hg on boss rooms, trap doors, or areas with a lot of monsters with multiple shields. We've been running mostly Osiris Unholy Vault (No Man's Land) or the Sacrophagus (Icy) My most recent runs have been: - 24 - 4 - 18 (Lord Phoenix Dungeon) - 9 (Tomb, but with only 5 players) In general, drop rate seemed better during leaderboard 1, but it could all be due to the variance of luck. Haven't been playing as much due to being sick, but I'll keep tracking it.
Yes, being able to find better deals than I what used in the video will help potential profitability. Inputting the numbers into the model, there would be only a loss in the bear case if $BigTime's price drops to $0.13 and other $BigTime prices are potentially profitable including $BigTime's current price of around $0.19 Bear Case = - $BigTime = $0.13 - 60 $BigTime/hour Here's the Profit/Loss in the Bear Case using your updated numbers: - 5000 minutes = 83.33 hours - 5 hourglasses * $80 = $400 Potential Earning for Hourglasses - 83.33 hours * 60 $BigTime earned an hour = $649.97 Expenses: - $400 Hourglass cost - $349.96 Time Crystal pack cost (18750 needed for hourglass unlock + Estimated **26,999 Time Crystals = 45,749 Time Crystals) -- Breakdown of the Time Crystal Pack purchases = 13,500 ($99.99) x 3 + 6,500 ($49.99) x 1 = 47,000 Time Crystals from packs - $60 NFT Cost for Prestige Portals Expense Total: $709.97 Potential Profit/Loss: $709.97 - $649.97 = Potential Loss of -($60) But like someone mentioned earlier, you can sell the empty hourglasses back on the marketplace. @ current common hourglass price of $20 * 5 = $100 New potential profit of $40 Again, these are estimate actual numbers will vary since there's a lot of other factors to consider. **Estimated Time Crystals needed for Prestige Portals based on clearing 3.6 dungeons/hour x 83.33 hours x 90 Average Prestige Portal Time Crystal Cost. Actual Time Crystal use could be more if using a time saving trick. Time crystals needed will depend on actual play time to how much hourglass time you use.
@@JeffLosaria we need to buy the pack only one time so next time it will cost only 400$ and btw i think we dont need to buy the pack since wr can drop time crystals i think new players should grind for time crystals to learn the game then jump to hourglass
@korazan Yes that's true, this analysis was only for the first upfront costs. Only equipping the hourglasses during the boss room or only before opening chests has made hourglasses last longer. It doesn't look like I will finish my hours till the middle of ladder event 3 and at that point I'll not be buying any more hourglasses and will exit out of any most traded especially high-risk trades I'm in and just craft at that point. Because of the unknowns on how the Big Time can keep the player base engaged and keep a viable reason for people to use $BigTime for crafting, I personally will be exiting early out of most of my assets and would stop buying hourglasses at that point. And wait for the news and watch activity. I exit out early and potentially leave money on the table because it's a way I manage risk. I'd rather leave money on the table to as a proactive action. Doesn't mean I'll stop playing the game, but will exit out of most things and will patiently watch from the sides.
Planning to do an updated follow-up to this video since there's a lot that changed. I'll cover that soon and also still testing to get an accurate number for the recently changed drop rate
Prices and assets have pumped since this video so it's hard to break even by farming the token. I'll do an updated video analyzing the prices again for new players since there's a lot that's changed. It's hard coming in the middle of a leaderboard event because if you can qualify for the airdrop, it's like a stimulus where players can craft at a loss because of the airdrop. There are players who love the grind and are just grinding free normal dungeons for the extremely rare chance at getting an NFT. It can be worth it if you are one of those players. I'll do the analysis soon because I've been wondering has the shipped sailed for new players. There's still potential opprtunities in swing trading higher rarity Time Wardens and trading the token.
Yes, I will be creating a new video, but I don't think it's far greater. Crafting costs have gone up and rarity with hourglasses isn't fixed yet. If you mean farming with 1 single cracked hourglass then yes, it's just a matter of time before they fix it.
you forgot to mention at the moment there is a audit being conducted of all members because there was players using a bug to exploit the hourglasses to get a higher drop of tokens and i play the same way you do only put the hourglasses on in best case scenarios even just loading 1.30 hours it lasts all day when done right the highest drops of tokens are coming from boss chests when the dungeons are completed i did a full day a couple days ago of testing just putting on the glasses when the dungeon is complete before the box is opened and i am averaging about 15 tokens per box but not all boss chests will drop tokens i made just over 200 tokens that day just using them during the boxes being opened about 5 minutes of time used on my hourglasses to get the tokens this is the most cost effective way to utilize your time on the hour glasses with the highest probability of payout
Yes, I forgot mention the audit and the speed hack bug that they are working on. Also, when I first read the audit announcement, I thought it would take 7 days, but looking at it again, they said at least 7 days. That's important so thanks for pointing that out.
I like that strategy! And will test it out soon. Ty, I'm all for trying new ways to optimize.
i think i played with you i am slayor in game i play with charliep all the time, i believe also that they turned down the token drops at the moment not the average it was post update most likely to purge the exploiting players before starting the next leaderboard
@@JeffLosaria
and thanks for the great content the most in depth analysis on earnings i have seen on youtube
@@JeffLosaria
Hey there.. to be honest I just heard about the game and I feel kinda late for it... Are there any big games coming up soon?
Yeah, I think I did play with you. Nice, to see you again! I used to play with CharlieP a lot during Gold Early Access. And the past few days, I've been noticing this as well, but didn't play enough to be sure. Good to know, I was just talking to a few people and they speculate it will return to normal once the audit is once and leaderboard starts again @@benjaminh4537
Jeff it is nice to see you back at Big Time, I hope you will get some nice profit along the way, good luck!
Thank you! I'm actually enjoying my time back and pacing myself this time around compared to Early Access. Hope the same for you as well!
Awesome analysis, with the recent surge could use an update on farming P&L 10:24
Yes! Great idea and one that I've been thinking of updating since there's been a lot of changes. I'll work on an updated video soon and let you know!
New video here: ua-cam.com/video/l6Ycdl1yqLI/v-deo.html
fucking love ur content, i used to calculate every possibility and scenario when exploring a new project but you just do it for us, with extraordinary detail. Happy to subscribe to you. Hope u make videos with such detail even when you're famous!
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Seems like such an interesting mmo!
Thanks for the in-depth guide.
It is an interesting mmo! You're welcome! Def keeping my interest especially since the in-game economy is finally available
I didn't get your calculations in the end. Can you please explain why you would loose money if you earn only 60 bigtime / hour? As far as I understood you have a lot of hours to play, so if you make average of 12-13$ / hour, you can make 120-130$ per 10 hours, meaning you should have ROI in like 50 hours. If you have like 216 hours to play, you should theoretically make around 2000$ isn't that right?
I wish UA-cam would let me paste an image of the model built, but let's dive into the numbers.
The 216 hours to play is the estimate of how much actual play time you need to use up all 36 hours of active hourglass time. This is because using the trick I mentioned of only equipping hourglasses instead of using them for the full dungeon run. You're only using it for a fraction of the time while farming.
This means that the actual hourglass time you have to earn is 36 hours which is the default rate when long-charging an hourglass.
Using 36 hours * 60 $BigTime/hour = 2,160 $BigTime earn for the 36 total hours
Let's use the bottom range of $BigTime's Price @ $0.13 * 2,160 $BigTime = $280.80 is our potential revenue per set of hourglasses
Now, we have to minus the expenses:
- $255 for how much we paid for the hourglasses on the marketplace ($51 * 5)
- $249.97 for how much we paid in Time Crystal cost (18,750 for unlocking 4 additional hourglass slots + **11,664 Average Prestige Portal Cost -- Clearing 3.6 Dungeons/Hour * 90 average Prestige entry fee * 36 hours)
- $60 for buying NFTs needed for Prestige Portal Requirements
Total Expenses = $564.97
Revenue - Expenses = Profit/Loss
$280.80 - $564.97 = $-(284.17)
This example is the Profit/Loss for Earning 60 $BigTime and if $BigTime's Price is $0.13.
All the other examples in the video follow the same calculations.
**In reviewing this, because I only estimated the Prestige Portal Time Crystal using only 36 hours, this cost is potentially higher if using the time saving trick. The optimized scenario would need to be updated so I'll cover this in a future video. Still need to do more tracking on hourglass time used to hours played. But there's a few factors that can potentially help offset the cost:
- Time crystals drop in dungeons
- Prestige Portals range in cost
- Groups farm Prestige portals with $BigTime fees as long as it's cheap and can earn $BigTime more than the fee
hey thanks for the great content, can you create an update to this guide and release the spreadsheets? love to get an in-depth look :)
Hey you're welcome! Thank you for your interest in my excel models. Please note that many individuals have already supported my work by purchasing these models privately. Out of respect for their support, I'm unable to provide the sheets for free. Sorry about that, and I appreciate your understanding in this matter. 🙏
I'm working on an updated guide and currently farming so I can get accurate numbers so let out for that!
What is the basis of the set of coesmetics needed? Ive seen prestige portals but the requirements are random
The basis is on what Prestige Farming groups have typically required based on my experience. Most groups will ask for members to have at least 3 uncommons with 2-3 tags of craftable/Preseason and/or orgin.
When searching the portals we'll find are usually these:
- 3 uncommon to unique
- 2 with the tag of Preseason, Craftable or Orgin
- With the occasional third tag of a certain color, season or anything random
Other portals we look for are:
- 4 uncommons or higher rarity
Bare minimum portals are:
- 2 commons cosmetic or higher
But you don't run into this requirement too often and will find the other above more easily.
If you have your own group that's fine, but if you're randomly partying with farming groups most will ask you to buy the addition NFTs or kick you out if they keep finding portals and you're the only one who's holding them back.
I rented out all my NFTs previously and obly had 2 cosmetics. Thought this would be enough, but in the beginning, I got kicked out of a lot of groups for not having the bare minimum of 3 uncommons so that was my basis.
In the video, I recommended having 3 uncommons and 3 craftables because that covers most groups except those who also want 4 uncommons.
3 Craftbable armor pieces will get you both the tags of Preseason, Craftable and whatever additional tags they have like white or blue.
3 uncommons:
- 1-handed weapons are cheap and most have the origin tag plus colors
- 1 uncommon title is cheaper as well around $3 and most have the origin tag
- Uncommon Shield is more expensive around $30-$40+ but you have flexibility with the 1-handed weapon to wear 2 NFT cosmetics compared to only 1 if you equip a 2 handed-weapon. Just make sure to have a second set of items with a 1-handed weapon and shield.
These aren't set requirements just what I've found from grouping with a lot of random groups. Mix and match based on what you think is best and what your groups require.
@@JeffLosariathanks for the detailed answer bro, do you typically use the hg on boss rooms? I only get max 4 tokens on the chests
@@jayronsantos2232 You're welcome, I only typically use hg on boss rooms, trap doors, or areas with a lot of monsters with multiple shields.
We've been running mostly Osiris Unholy Vault (No Man's Land) or the Sacrophagus (Icy)
My most recent runs have been:
- 24
- 4
- 18 (Lord Phoenix Dungeon)
- 9 (Tomb, but with only 5 players)
In general, drop rate seemed better during leaderboard 1, but it could all be due to the variance of luck. Haven't been playing as much due to being sick, but I'll keep tracking it.
I saw there is hourglasses with 5000 times at 80$ so its worth buying at 80 not 50 with 2160 and there is no loss with bear case
Yes, being able to find better deals than I what used in the video will help potential profitability.
Inputting the numbers into the model, there would be only a loss in the bear case if $BigTime's price drops to $0.13 and other $BigTime prices are potentially profitable including $BigTime's current price of around $0.19
Bear Case =
- $BigTime = $0.13
- 60 $BigTime/hour
Here's the Profit/Loss in the Bear Case using your updated numbers:
- 5000 minutes = 83.33 hours
- 5 hourglasses * $80 = $400
Potential Earning for Hourglasses
- 83.33 hours * 60 $BigTime earned an hour = $649.97
Expenses:
- $400 Hourglass cost
- $349.96 Time Crystal pack cost (18750 needed for hourglass unlock + Estimated **26,999 Time Crystals = 45,749 Time Crystals)
-- Breakdown of the Time Crystal Pack purchases = 13,500 ($99.99) x 3 + 6,500 ($49.99) x 1 = 47,000 Time Crystals from packs
- $60 NFT Cost for Prestige Portals
Expense Total: $709.97
Potential Profit/Loss: $709.97 - $649.97 = Potential Loss of -($60)
But like someone mentioned earlier, you can sell the empty hourglasses back on the marketplace. @ current common hourglass price of $20 * 5 = $100
New potential profit of $40
Again, these are estimate actual numbers will vary since there's a lot of other factors to consider.
**Estimated Time Crystals needed for Prestige Portals based on clearing 3.6 dungeons/hour x 83.33 hours x 90 Average Prestige Portal Time Crystal Cost. Actual Time Crystal use could be more if using a time saving trick. Time crystals needed will depend on actual play time to how much hourglass time you use.
@@JeffLosaria we need to buy the pack only one time so next time it will cost only 400$ and btw i think we dont need to buy the pack since wr can drop time crystals i think new players should grind for time crystals to learn the game then jump to hourglass
Can we get access to your spreadsheet ?
Sorry! People offered to buy it to support so in respect to them, I'm unable to give access to it 🙏
Empty HG and skin can be resold after, that can reduce your expense
That's true, I'll add it to the analysis and is a another way to cover costs
@@JeffLosaria also, unlocking HG slots is a 1 time purchase. if you run multiple sets of HG, your avg cost will be so low
@korazan Yes that's true, this analysis was only for the first upfront costs. Only equipping the hourglasses during the boss room or only before opening chests has made hourglasses last longer.
It doesn't look like I will finish my hours till the middle of ladder event 3 and at that point I'll not be buying any more hourglasses and will exit out of any most traded especially high-risk trades I'm in and just craft at that point.
Because of the unknowns on how the Big Time can keep the player base engaged and keep a viable reason for people to use $BigTime for crafting, I personally will be exiting early out of most of my assets and would stop buying hourglasses at that point.
And wait for the news and watch activity. I exit out early and potentially leave money on the table because it's a way I manage risk.
I'd rather leave money on the table to as a proactive action. Doesn't mean I'll stop playing the game, but will exit out of most things and will patiently watch from the sides.
big time is now $.70 cents, so how expensive is it now to play and what are the earnings?
Planning to do an updated follow-up to this video since there's a lot that changed. I'll cover that soon and also still testing to get an accurate number for the recently changed drop rate
Is this game still worth it or has the ship sailed?
Prices and assets have pumped since this video so it's hard to break even by farming the token.
I'll do an updated video analyzing the prices again for new players since there's a lot that's changed.
It's hard coming in the middle of a leaderboard event because if you can qualify for the airdrop, it's like a stimulus where players can craft at a loss because of the airdrop.
There are players who love the grind and are just grinding free normal dungeons for the extremely rare chance at getting an NFT.
It can be worth it if you are one of those players.
I'll do the analysis soon because I've been wondering has the shipped sailed for new players.
There's still potential opprtunities in swing trading higher rarity Time Wardens and trading the token.
So, I'd recommend an update if you haven't already! Potential earnings is far greater now ;)
Yes, I will be creating a new video, but I don't think it's far greater. Crafting costs have gone up and rarity with hourglasses isn't fixed yet. If you mean farming with 1 single cracked hourglass then yes, it's just a matter of time before they fix it.
bigtiume is a scam thye rent empty hourglasses on the market they should atleast be filled a wee bit .. theres no point to rent empty ones
Yeah that's a problem to look out empty hourglasses with no time when renting