Will it survive!? (GWM Ute vs Hilux vs D-Max 2022 outback comparison review)
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- Опубліковано 12 бер 2022
- We put our Chinese GWM Cannon-X Ute up to the ultimate test in Australia: can it keep up with a Toyota Hilux and Isuzu D-Max in the Australian Outback? We subject the Great Wall, Hilux and D-Max to hundreds of kilometres of harsh corrugations, dirt, dust and wildlife to see whether the Chinese-made GWM Ute is really up to the task!
In today’s episode of Chasing Cars, deputy editor Nathan Ponchard, photographer Alek Hoskins and journalist Zak Adkins head from Sydney to Adelaide over 2500km via the Outback to shake down our long-term GWM Ute Cannon-X against a Toyota Hilux Rogue 2.8 and Isuzu D-Max LS-U 3.0 diesel.
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Have had a Cannon X now for 14 months and absolutely love it - no faults at all. Great service from the 3 dealers I've used
Thams for the info. I will be going for this one too. This bakkie is called the P series here in Zimbabwe.
I love my Cannon X too - the step in the tailgate is such a good idea’n
Why have you been to 3 dealers in 14 months?
@@robmetalheathen because if they are anything like my local one, they have shit service. Can anyone give me a legitimate reason to disconnect the dash cam as soon as you drive it in the workshop when doing the 5000km service???
@Rob sanders because of where I was working at the time - most convenient one. Parramatta was easily the best they take video of your car, what they're doing and the parts they will use
15 months with the Cannon X and 15k on the clock. It’s done the Flinders Rangers on L8-L9 tracks, towed a 2.5t caravan and is a city commuter. No issues with rusting or quality. Unlike previous GWM vehicles, this Ute has reputable parts from ZF, Borg Warner and Bosch. I don’t think anyone will say it’s a Ranger or Hilux but to be honest, who pushes their vehicles to that extreme. With 3t towing, 300kg ball weight, 1050kg in the tray, the only Ute to have a tailgate step, 7yr warranty and for $41k it’s fantastic.
Old mate has no idea. Put 25k in the gwm and it will be the same as a 70k hilux n 60k d max
@@beerensekhon7475 It will be better actually
If GWM is so awesome then how come they sell stuff all of them?
Buying a GWM, you also have funded the military hardware that will be used to invade Taiwan.
@@sofascialistadankulamegado1781 I’m sorry about your sight issues, are you partially or fully blind? Go look at the made in labels around your commune and you’ll see that clothes, crockery, kitchen utensils, linen, electronics and components were made in China. Yes, the same place that kept Australia afloat by purchasing whatever is dig out of the ground.
For your info, GWM is a private company I’m not owned by the Chinese government like LDV is.
My Cannon-X is on dirt roads hauling a trailer every week. No problems at all and 400NM/120kW is enough in isolation (Hilux had less power up to 5 "minutes" ago)
Lane assist is rubbish but when I hit the freeways near the city is works OK.
For the money can't fault it.
Have loved the GWM from the day it was released, Yeah it is not a full on off roader but neither is most consumers, Sold my Pimped up Prado as I am not hard core and have ordered a GWM Canon L, Should have done it from the start.. Great value at the price and who cares about resale, Why sell it, All Diesel/Petrol vehicles will be worth nothing in 5-10 years anyway...Thanks for the great realistic review...
I reckon it is a full off roader, unless you have $200k and want to match what these youtube nut bags get up to down under, these utes fit the requirements of 99% of the population
after hearing all the positive notes from gmw owners， I have eagerly placed an order of gmw and will get it in 2wks
GWM not gmw
Great review CC, you guys are killing it. would love to see more out-of-town tests like this.
At the end of the day they're all work utes and none of them are worth more than $25,000! How much they cost is a joke!
You won't get a 10 year old hilux for $25k these days
@@somenutjob I know it's crazy! It's not like they're Bentley's!!
The biggest joke is that people go out and buy them!! That’s why they price them that high!! Idiots keep buying them!!
Having said that I put an order in for an
X terrain Dmax
Idiots and fools are becoming more abundant. Instead of getting upset about it though, take advantage of people stupidity and capitalise on it. Sell them crap wrapped in shininess and you'll be rich in no time. 👍
Built to sell not built to last. We live in a disposable society. Everything is a throw away! Me living in the sates I will tell you most trucks/ utes are well in the 50k usd some topping at over 100k for a damn truck!. We have some low end ones like the ford maverick but ford has loads or recalls on them. Chevy makes the Colorado and it’s a piece of 💩. Chrysler hasn’t made the dodge Dakota in years. We don’t have Chinese cars in our market because we still don’t trust their cars but that could change.
DONT FORGET........GWM cannon is the first Generation of this ute. Versus the 8th Generation of the Hilux and 3rd generation of the Isuzu. also the comment about climbing a hill the cannon couldn't do because seeing over the bonnet the 360 camera on the cannon can be turned on when climbing such hills.. After market Suspension upgrades incl 2 inch lift's our also available now.......... Cheers
You're wrong mate, everything in the Cannon is proven. The Cannon is a newer version if the Steed. Do your diligence and learn the facts before you start spreading wrong facts.
@@chriswording8638 May I ask where you got the information saying that its just a newer version of the steed? The whole thing is redesigned. I think your the one spreading false info
@Chris Wording sorry Chris you are wrong .. the Cannon is a completely different vehicle than the steed also the name Great Wall Motors was also dropped that's why it's called GWM.. they wanted to not be connected to the Steed .. and again it's a brand new design.. in fact under the dash it has lots of Haval components.. people just get upset for even in this test that was done.. the GWM cannon was still there at the end and the difference in price to the others just can't handle.. drive one and you will buy one...
@@brianward2313 the Steed 6 was (is) the previous model of the Ute and still selling off existing stock around the world. The Cannon is simply a newer iteration of it under a new model name for AU/NZ. New as any new Ranger or Hilux I suppose. GWM is still Great Wall Motor (GWM), not a new brand or rebranding anything. The only difference is, that GWM now is actually sold directly through the factory (giving a lifeline to dozens of Holden dealers and staff) and not a third party importer.
@@777_callum lol. It is still an evolution of the Steed mate (previous model - current model). Facts are that GWM making Utes for over 30 years and they have manufactured over 10 million engines. So nothing NEW to GWM...
You really know how to communicate how a suspension's behaviour affects the driving experience. Top marks to you!
Great to see a outback review 👍
"Especially that grille" comment of the video at the end. Love it.
Just did 102000 in my first Cannon just purchased my second one. Value, economy, comfort and style. I work in central qld and have had no issues on or off road.
Good too see you guys doing the classic Aussie Outback test. These big outback drives have been missing for a while, could love to see you take an EV or any other new car on Broken Hill and back adventure.
Thanks for watching!
In South Africa the D23 Navara equipped with the 140kw 450Nm YD25 was smoked by GWM in a 0-100. but as mentioned in the video at high speed, peak power speaks.
Shouldn't be driving a bakkie (ute) at high speeds anyway
Good cruising speed around 150kph.
70k for a Hilux vs GWM Cannon with a camper trailer and spare cash left, very tempting.
Totally depends on the resale value. If you lose more money on the Cannon than the Hilux is cheaper in total cost of ownership.
@@HermanWillems can buy two car, don’t care if I lose more money. I will get the Canon any time and good camper trailer or a boat
@@HermanWillems The Hilux is so expensive new that you lose more money relative to the resale value so no Hilux is not cheaper in total ownership cost any way you look at it.
Spend a couple grand to improve the GWM's lacking parts and you still het a cheaper vehicle that can do the same and has more features.
I know they are Ute's but let's be honest, most will never see a dirt road like this. And so if you are one of those people that want a ute for the look then the saving on a GWM makes a lot of sense.
Apart from the front end being a bit soft it went okay - just slow down a bit for the washouts - frankly if I spent $70k on a vehicle I would be slowing down anyway.
@@waynev5097 😂
Thanks Ponch! Another great, and as always, honest review. Having driven a GWM I reckon I could live with the power deficit (it's just not that obvious in isolation) and a quick trip to Pedders should sort out that front end. Keep up the amazing work!
Thank you Mark!
Do you think the GWM can be used to tow a car trailer for commercial purpose for towing cars on a daily basis
@@samueloluyinkaojomu6548 I think it would do it easily and in great comfort. It wasn't that long ago that utes came with 115kw, 380nm, a five speed gearbox and 3,000kg towing capacity and they were used night and day for all sorts of heavy duty work including towing. The GWM has a clever 8 speed gearbox, permanent all wheel drive and a perfectly adequate motor. Get yourself an Ultimate 9 throttle controller and you'll be a very happy chappie!
I have a '13 x200 w 5 speed auto, probably the same origin engine, the a 1t boat & trailer fine with it. Like he said the trans jumps into hi gears too early so often drive it in manual mode. With a heavier boot it might act better but not w these diesel prices. Economy is good w 8.5 - 9 on highway, 12 with the boat. Ill put a decent trans cooler w fan on mine as no low range so torque conveter will work when crawling around.
Lots of electronics, and it will go to limp mode/ electronically accelerate. Disconnectedly in gear due to small things like water in fuel sensor. Toyota's won't stop for this, the newer GW may be more durable. Rev it, drop into gear & once rolling it will drive. Al in all got good bones, some drawbacks & quirks but cheap
Interesting review. I'm in the market again for a new ute and I'm seriously considering the GWM. I had from new an RX NP300 for 5 years and did 500k. The reason I bought the RX single turbo was because I couldn't hack the delay when accelerating. The RX had no delay and felt like a petrol off the line so I installed the wheels, chrome bars on the rear and nudge bar. The point being, this model produced 120Kw of power with 400Nm of torque. Never was an issue and I suspect same with GWM. I used to tow cars on trailer just over 2 tonne. No issues. Only complaint was that despite the average fuel of under 8 litres per 100, when it towed it really sucked the diesel. Was very poor on the economy under towing conditions. But other than that, it had plenty of power for me so I suspect the GWM is just fine. If you're a V6 diesel punter then you'll never be satisfied with the GWM. But from what I'm reading, the GWM is hard to pass up if you have a limited budget.
I have a Cannon x and love it. Yes there are little quirks for a 1st Generation. Better suspension a slightly higher ground clearance. Better user interface and yes how about a interior light for the rear passengers. It can only get better with time. GWM are on the move as is LDV.
I can't wait for the second version - hopefully it addresses most of the shortcomings such as the rear interior light, software quirks, button to kill lane keep assist, 4H button (Cross Country Expert Mode), and more tub eyelets.
@@hambo76 4H already exists in canon X
@@angelopeiris It's hidden behind a different button.
Beautiful information, Thank you for your honestly.
Please do a similar comparison with the musso! Its good to see someone finally considering the cheaper utes in a comparison test. I would love to see a comparison of the base spec dual cab from every manufacturer. How does a $34k ute stack up against a base model hilux or ranger or triton?
You will find it on UA-cam! Out of 8 Utes the Museo came last
Most Ute owners go to the supermarket and beach
Really enjoyed this.
Thanks so much.
Glad you enjoyed it
You're spot on with that lane keeping assist. Have a BMW X5 and that's also rubbish. Keeps tugging the steering left and right. Honestly how often do you drive in the middle of the road especially in inner suburbs. Wish they put that money into a crash cam instead
Good, fair review 👍
Prices are crazy!
In Ecuador 🇪🇨 the Hiliux it’s at $50k usd !
We just got an gwm poer and against all odds it surprise me! (I was esceptical about a Chinese car)
The interior it’s top notch for the segment*apple car play * android auto *crisp display* hd backup camera * soft materials * lots of room.
The other brands ! Give you the worst interior *cheap hard plastic *cheap third party display * cheap backup camera* out dated inteior in general !
The full version 4x2 its at $30k usd .
Totally worth the 20k less , the litmus test is the engine long term performance.
Just bought a 2023 XSR and absolutely love it
Wait for series update in GWM. There are a few engines in their line up (H9 twin turbo180kw/350nm) or (H6 1.5 hybrid 179kw/ 530nm) that will come later. Re do the stupid info stuff, and you have a keeper. Patients, lads. GWM is just getting started!!
Great overview of the GWM, How does it handle on the beach drive and sand?
On the gwm you can simply turn the aircon on and off with the knobs and buttons on the centre console. You also have the option of going through the screen interface, but I think I did that once and completely disregarded it.
I've also turned the lane keep assist down to the point that its quite reasonable to use now.
Springs and shocks to be upgraded soon.
Ek kan drink
I don't own a GWM because I'm not a traitor to Australia 🤷
@@chaseadams5037 please tell me what you drive champ
@@chaseadams5037most of the 💩 you buy was made in China but go on
I bet a Holden @@hernendezsanchez7646
Infotainment is very important for me. I would not buy a car without apple or android auto. I love the GWM screen size, especially using apple car play, maps look clear and huge, I don't need to zoom
The comment at the end about the grill couldn't be more spot on it is hideous. Great video cheers
A good thorough review in true Aussie conditions. I have always thought that premium cloth is better than cheap leather. That sums up the Hilux vs GWM IMO. The dMax has early it’s stripes. It’s just down to personal preference and how much money you have to spend and what you are using it for.
Until you add children to the mix, then leather is a godsend!
@@hambo76 so are seat covers. Your mileage may vary..
@@userisalex If you're adding covers then the seat material matters not!
True Aussie conditions????? I reckon less than 1 percent of drivers have ever driven on a dirt road - and not like those guys were!
I would save the cash, drive a bit slower and enjoy the 7 year warranty.
so what you saying is put some good suspension on the GWM turn off the lane assist and your good to go.
did you mention the GWM has better warranty. if the hilux ans dmax are so great why cant they warrant their cars for 7 years
😄😆🤣
The Japanese utes are getting really expensive and feel like rip-off!
Then get a Chinese knock off that’ll sit in the repair shop in a few years .
I am sure you will find the cost of ownership will be way less with the Japanese cars. The Great Wall will depreciate at a rapid rate. And they have had issues with early surface rust on the panels. You get what you pay for
Absolutely true. They are riding on there name.
What Japanese utes .. They don't exist anymore, all made in Thailand
Getting dearer whilst finding ever cheaper countries to assemble them in !
I take it you are talking about the poorly sealing air box on the Hilux that allows the MAF to get dust on it and go into limp mode.
I have the cannon L ….Agree the suspension is more rigid but the 25K I saved buying other big names I can soon fix that issue.
How fascinating that us nowadays are so obsessed with numbers peak power and torque etc etc. so the 2015- 2018 or even early hilux(apart from SR5 which is ?top model) have 360NM, but I think there are tons of people still drive them around the town, and still tow up to 3.2tons(hilux legal limit for that model), if you think 363NM is lower than 400NM, I’m just wondering how people drive a 2015-2018 mid range hilux feel? Slow or lack of power on towing?
Bloody rust buckets man, open the doors up , mine are rooted rust everywhere inside the doors and under the carpet floor
@@newport5504 I haven't heard of rust being a big issue with Hiluxes
@@fakejake8965I think he's talking about the GWM. Next door neighbours mixed use city & farm Hilux has 780k on it & no rust or dramas aside regular factory servicing.
GWM Cannon, nice job
The review overall went exactly how I expected, but some of the complaints, particularly about the DMax and GWM, was seriously nitpicking, especially regarding the tech. Not everyone wants toyota spec (see: none) interior. I offroad in a vehicle with all the tech in the world and it has never been an issue for me
To me kinda felt like a typical Toyota/Hilux fan boy review. The hilux is good but its far from faultless and incredibly overpriced because of the hype
Yeah, I thought that was a bit weird. I love all the tech in my Cannon X. When off-road it's not distracting at all. Can still use the stereo volume and air conditioner controls without touching the screen.
Our cannon x had lane assist pain, but had a wheel alignment and the fighting thr wheel is gone. So get a proper wheel alignment, and you’ll love your Chinese baby even more. Thanks GWM
The dmax looked very dusty on the inside or did you leave the doors open. Or does it not seal properly ?
All that time and distance and you missed a few things TBH. The Hilux air box is notorious for letting dust in did anyone bother to check, did we look at the other two? Alternators have been gradually sinking in engine bays which has implications for water crossings and driving in muddy conditions how do these compare? How easy is to to change a fuel filter and reset the light should you get a bad lot of fuel or for that matter bleed up the system should you run it dry? What are the stock tyre sizes, profiles and availability of off road tyres in these sizes i.e. wander into the tyre shop at somewhere broken hill and see what they carry in stock.
Having run a few vehicles in mineral exploration these are some of the areas a modern 4wd tend to fall over in.
Exactly, this is the type of reviews we need! I don’t care about lane keep assist it’s bad on most cars so turn it off we get it, it’s annoying, blame ancap ratings and move on. One thing I noticed was the huge dusting inside on dash etc. were windows open when it happened or is it the seals? The Dmax looked the worst?
So true …. Different when you go bush trying to get fancy wheel and tyre sizes💁♂️
Just purchased the GWM X as a company car which will do lots of highway kms and frequent towing. 2022 dealwr demo model for $39,500 DA including tow ball and soft tonneau cover.
Did lots of research and am excitted to take delivery soon!!.....😎👍💥❤️
Thanks. Great review. I probably wouldn't drive like you guys while on dirt, so the suspension is not such an issue, although better shocks may improve it somewhat. I'm most interested in towing a small van. I would never consider a new Hilux or D max. Way too expensive. The GWM is very appealing and I'm guessing that being driven carefully and steady by an old fart such as myself, it may just be perfect for my needs.
Man, that off-road driving looks like it belongs in the Dakar 😅
@@kalomboC How good would it be to given 3 utes and told to rip in on outback tracks 😂 they have the best job
Your issue may be with how the relative lack of power goes when towing. It will only exacerbate it.
"you get what you pay for" by the looks of it the D-Max and Hilux have better Quality Control. especially with torque in the Hilux or the D-Max it will tow a small van up a hill better than the GWM. and the dmax and the hilux are known for reliability too from their past.
@@lethenparkesTeamRacc that is an important point. I don’t know that the GWM is going to not last as well as the other 2 but I don’t know that it will. So, there is a risk element of the unknown with buying the GWM. Of nothing else the resale will certainly reflect this.
Let’s face the facts. Not everyone can afford a $70,000 car. I have friends who’ve got the GWM and they love it. Firstly, they saved $20,000 - $25,000 and for what they use it for, bit off dirt road, beach, etc, it does the job. You could use that $20,000 saving to get a dyno tune to increase the power, upgrade the suspension and you’d have a duel cab that would possibly be on par with the Hilux in terms of its power and handling. And still have change from the $20,000!
Cheap and Chinese still have a long way to go before on par with Japanese brands...
And just think, 15 years ago, Kia and Hyundai were little known sardine tins. Now they are 2 of the more popular brands out there. The Chinese will get there in time. Most of the Japanese cars have parts made in China. Most everything in your house is made there in some form! Only a matter of time before they become a real competitor
@@michaelpeters538 well hood for them then. Until then, the majority of UTE buyers will probably remain Toyota customers...and for a good reason.
@@danielbredenkamp3957 and that's where you're very wrong. Either you are trolling for political reasons or know very little about how far Chinese car makers came in just the last 20 years, especially in the last 10 years. You need to have a well made and engineered product to gain a 5 star 2021 ANCAP rating.
@@chriswording8638 dude, they will have to prove that to the western world, who prefer Japanese products. I am not prepared to spend money and find out...I will take my chances with something I know to be worthy, reliable and which has a resale valilue I can trust. You are welcome to find out how "good" they have become first. And yes, I do not support policies or the human rights abuses of the CCP.
What tyre pressures did you have on these utes on the gravel outback roads? 21-25psi is recommended.
Tyres are not springs, the gravel dirt roads in the Pilbara and Kimberley have many sharp stones to cut into soft Tyres 🙄
unfortunately the cannon we get is based on commercial and 'normal' spc. in China where it came from there are the 'off road cannon' spc for sale. it has more power three diff snorkel and redesigned front and rear, but we can't get it here, left hand drive only.
Im gonna buy the CANNON X. I figured that i can do a full update with an engine tune, quality suspension upgrade and lift. Front and rear alloy bars with led lights. Big set of tyres and rims, tub roller cover, tow bar, anchor points, Rock sliders and ladder racks just to add insult. Then Take into account the extra centre airbag, wireless phone charger, 360 degree camera, anatonomous driver assist. Speakers upgrade and lots more. In conclusion, will still come out cheaper than the others with all that gear. Its good enough for me. If you do that to the Toyota it will cost you near 85 gran or more.
You don't actually need any of those upgrades. Take it from an actual owner of 18 months..
@@chriswording8638 that's promising to hear. I do a bit of light bush work and beach/ sand dunes. Dressing it up is just something I wanna personally do for my own satisfaction. Like a hobby project.
I like the lounge feel of the GWM so do my grand children lol
I wonder what the resale value would be of the great wall ???
a couple of suspension adjustments, better shocks etc ??
I got a gwm cannon after taking multiple utes for a test drive i found it the best! Saved a Fortune as well!
did the same trip in my KE10 1100cc corolla. no problems!
In regard to the complaint re the GWM lack of torque, my now 14 year old PK Supercab Ranger has a sweet Mazda 3 liter diesel with just 380 nm and it has pulled a camper trailer and a 19 foot tandem caravan all over this country and mostly not the coastal routes, the Gibb, Streslecki, Oodnadatta, Boroloola to the South Western corner of WA, and that 380 nm does the job just fine, it just does it just fine, IMHO the breadth of torque is more important and driving to conditions.
I am considering a new ute soon and I have looked at GWM, LDV and my preference may be a Sassong Musso ELX with optional suspension mods ie as with my old Ranger 2 inch lift, excellent KYB Scorcher shocks, Dynapro ATM's.
And the Musso in that form only has 420 nm but a broad torque band and the same sweet Aisan 6 speed as in the Mazda/Isuzu and Hilux.
I would like to see a similar test with the superbly assembled Musso, 7 year warranty and ( I think roadside assist) knowing that a fraction of the $20 - 25,000 saved on a Hilux or Ranger will allow a considerable amount of good aftermarket accessories, bar, canopy, lights.
Toyota, Ford, Isuzu etc need to sharpen up their pricing, just look at the cost of the same vehicles in Thailand to see the big profit the Makers are touching the Australian buyers up with!
As for reliability, Toyota have certainly had their problems, injectors, Cats, , Ford, no cooling on ZF autos and continual activation of limp mode towing in heat, failed dual mass clutches in earlier models, a fair share of low mileage 3.2 engine failures and turbos. Navaras, repeated rear main seal failures, and the list goes on.
The Chinese manufacturers are here and improving a good product rapidly, some just have issues as many in the 60's did with what then was termed "Jap crap" until it was realised a Landcruiser was superior to a 22 or 2a Landrover and whats more didn't break axles every 5 minutes when snatching second gear with a load on the back, ask me how I know?
History will repeat!
Just my take!
very true Brian!!
For the price you could splash out on a suspension kit for gwm ute. As mentioned elsewhere this is it's 2nd go at ute not that we should count the gwm steed🤣
What's the lifespan and cost of the injectors in these modern high torque diesels? I keep hearing thousands of dollars of injectors at 100-150k mark.
Mitsubishi Sigma country, RIP Jack Absalom.
Great review Mate good to see utes taken out on outback tracks/roads I was a bees dick away from getting a GWM Ute but I ended up getting a 22 plate Rexton Ultimate with the iron man suspension upgrade delivery the end of this month it’s a beautiful rig and you get a lot more for what you pay for cheers Mate
The new vehicle tests are nice, but not a real world comparison. Get the 3 vehicles 3 years down the road with all having done the same milage in the same type of environment, being used as a ute then test them against each other then.
Toyota and Isuzu have been around for years and they have been developing their products for years.
I'd take the Japanese contenders over the Chinese one until they prove themselves. I live in South Africa and if you talk utes here the Luxie is the benchmark. I agree that Toyota is too expensive for what you get but the market determines the price.
GWM has been making Pickup trucks for 15-20 years, they follow ford and that is why different from Japanese makes.
@@tonywei423 they only kinda follow some Ford design themes here and there but together with Haval (and Tank) they've been doing very much their own thing, except they keep doing things the Japanese way. The little info available suggest they work similar to Toyota or Honda when it comes to part availability, assembly line QC stoppages, thorough deterioration simulation, etc. but with a military-style twist. Some Spanish outlet quite sometime ago reported early morning exercising, drills and marching in obsessively clean assembly lines.
Ponch in his shorts is unbeatable value
Quite warm out there.
Got the cannon-l 25,000 kms and all good.
400nm was plenty 2 years, 3 years ago...can't see whats changed other than the big players beefing up more torque.
It's not about how much the engine makes, it's about what at the wheels. My 25 HP tractor will pull a 170 HP Hilux up the hill any day.
Can a bull bar be fitted to the GWM?
Mate of mine got a gwm ute. It's great....when it works 😮💨
I prefer a vehicle that can last for 10 years or more. (Taking into account normal wear & tear component maintenance to be carried out of course.) It would be interesting to see how well assembled & the quality parts / components the GWM has under the paint job after 6 years or 200 000km as an example. The Isuzu & Toyota have been around for decades for a very good reason, even though they are going at a steep price bracket lately. Toyota d4D 3.0D still our favourite off road / all rounder on the market, simplicity, efficiency & reliability. Thanks for the great video chaps.
I have a 10 year old Mitsubishi Challenger and I've recently had to take it to panel beaters for rust repairs on the roof and under bumpers at the front end. Going mainstream Japanese is not always a guarantee you won't ever get problems, you just pay more. If you have saved a good 20k from the start and put that into your mortgage, at a modest 5% interest compounded over 10 years, that sum equates to $32.5k. So even if you get problems in 10 years time, I reckon you'll still be much better off.
I bought a '13 GW x200 auto 1 yr ago w 170k for $5k, 190k on it now. Mech fine & reliable tows fine, trans races to high gears, leggy throttle / turbo, some minor elec issues, lack of support is a bit of an issue but ok. Obviously resale is low but alot of car for the price.
The x200 was a Mitsubishi clone diesel w borg warner drivetrain, both reliable. I think new ones are based on same motor family, not sure about drivetrain. Look for 4L if u can get it
I have old 2011 D40 Nissan Navara n thinking of trading in, do you think GWM ute is right ute? Most of these new ute are just to expensive even at 50k + .
Keep it
Love reading the comments that people won't buy the gwm because it financially supports china, but it supports Australians too, the dealers, the servicing, parts departments, tyre shops etc . Look into Toyota and you'll see they heavily support china too. GAC Toyota is a joint venture with the Chinese government
Isuzu for me always
You forgot to mention overall reliability aftersales service and resale value which are important things to take into account.
GWM plus $500 after market shocks. Would be interesting.
If 20k savings was put into your mortgage at 5% compound interest, you have saved 40k in 10 years, or 66k in 20 years. That's a round the world trip or retiring early, I know which I would choose!
I'm thinking about buying one of these to tow my mowing trailer for my business. Would you recommend 4x2 or 4x4?
Unless you're planning on heavy off roading 4×2 is perfectly fine
I will probably get a GWM ute for work, and then use the leftover money to buy a small hatch for daily running around.
I’d love to see a video of the GWM after $10g is spent upgrading it
There are a few OZ-based businesses fully dedicated to the Cannon, they're easy to find on Instagram.
Use some of the money saved and upgrade the suspension, and tyres. Still be lot cheaper
One thing I can say about gwm as a panel beater, is the are awful for getting parts. 6 plus months wait on any panels. Toyota you can still get brand new factory billboard for 1995 model Hilux. Something to consider if you buying a new car is how will you own it and expect to be able to get parts
Does it have diff locks??
Good honest review, and just like he said at the end. 20k worth of mods on a GWM would run circles around a stock rogue. And look much much better.
And still worth nothing as a 3 yr old trade in
No thanks
@@batmanlives6456 Haha. Not with this market. Checked market place? They sell for a mear 2 - 3 grand less. Especially with the price rise. I sold my T60 LDV for 35K and when I bought it a year ago I paid 29K
@@batmanlives6456 Who in their right mind trades any vehicle in after 3 years?? You'd have to be mad in the head.
@@sailingcitrinesunset4065 after 3 years it will be worth nothing is the point
I recently cashed in a 12 yr old land cruiser with 250.000 km for 65% of what I paid …
Do that with a GWM
Also you'd be a traitor to spend money on it in these current times.
You need to add Mit triton as well to compare
I have had four toyotas , some were old and not real nice to drive, I just went out and turned the key and drive them. I purchased them with 100k on the clock and sold them with about 250k on the clock, serviced them as required, but nothing else ever required fixing. My friend had a early chinese truck, he was using it in the building trade, to be honest it could not hack it. He now uses a toyota Hi ace. New, the price difference makes you think, you pay top price even for second hand toyotas. When the chinese catch up there price will also. I worked for a Japanese company for a long time, They get a good product and continue to make it better, they know what works and what dosen't work, and they have been basically making the same truck for ever , but over time just improved it every year so thats why its so good. Yes they will bury me in a Toyota. Great video.
Why didn't you put the T60 in this clip
Can the GWM be used to tow car trailers for commercial purpose. Like everyday use
I don't know about doing it every day; we did tow a 2700 kg trailer and it went fine: ua-cam.com/video/EQowT_v3Hz8/v-deo.html
How is the aftersales support with each of these brands.
It's all good and well to talk about them when they are working, but what happens when they breakdown?
First sensible comment here, never mind the long term implications of supporting china’s economy to save money…
Have a look at Whistlindiesel hilux review.
GWM has 2nd Gen Tundra/Sequoia mini front grille.
Wind back a year or 2 the Hilux had very similar specs to the GWM.
Yet today even in top specs it lacks behind..
It seems a lot of the negative comes back to the suspension and you can buy a hell of a lot of suspension upgrades for 25k
Nothing wrong with the suspension. If you look at the video, they only show the GWM going through a dip. If you hit a dip at 100 KMh, in any car/ute you'll be flying around. Slow the f**K down and drive to conditions, problems solved..
Great review just facts!
Thanks!
I guess the GWM is more fun and really tough enough for a simple daily lifestyle driving and it save a lot of your savings
One thing that you need to consider is the long term value of the gwv. You may spend $20k aftermarket gear but it’s still gwv. Is it worth spending that amount of money to bring it up to the standard of the others two? Food for thought.
You WILL regret your choices at trade in time ….
No one's spending $20,000 on aftermarket gear - just a few choice mods like a lift kit, A/T tyres and a bull bar, and she's sweet as!
It's clear that you haven't seen one so commenting on quality is a bit unjust. If a car worth $70,000 new will cost $35,000 at 5 years, it's pretty normal that a car that you buy for $40,000 will only be $20,000 at five years...
@@chriswording8638 Yep so you’d lose less money on the 40k car.
It's a good thing to have a entry level car on the market to keep the likes of Toyota and Ford honest with their prices. I think charging more than $60k and $70k for a car is ridiculous.
Noticed that resale value was not mentioned?
wait so is this a car or a dual cab? and you then have to ask which would buy if your life depended on it in the outback
No issues with the lane keep assist or lane centring on our Cannon X
Wife wanted to see how the lane keep worked after a few minutes with no hands a warning came up to put my hand on the wheel trout it was funny
Would GWM benefit from teaming up with a local tuner to offer a $5000-$8000 "Outback Pack" to fix these issues?
After spending the 5 to 8k for the outback pack for gwm, there are still change compared to the others
Just buy $1000 worth of explosives and fix it right
No
My thoughts too, imagine installing mods on this truck. It will be a really good offroader for the price.
With the extra money we save, we can install some good after market parts to make the truck better.
What extra money? $45k is not cheap (majority people earn under $60k a year) and it doesn't need anything else to be spent on to make it function. You can drive it anywhere if you drive it considerably and to road conditions.
@@chriswording8638 As you compares with the TOYOTA and ISUZU !
Yea Nah! How many people pay the big money, rarely go off-road, still spend more than they earn on accessories, then wonder why mortgage payments and bills are a source of stress.
Ok now that’s said. The GWM hasn’t got enough power and torque. It’s basically useless, 🤔 hang on, not as much as the others but more than any 4wd that was produced in an era when real 4wdriviers were hitting the tracks of Australia, without complaints.
I don’t own a cannon, I do have a dual cab Ute that does the job. Btw I don’t hit washouts and blame the car.
In fact, GWM has a 3.0T engine with 354 hp and 500 Nm in China. However, it seems that GWM is not in a hurry to launch this engine overseas. Maybe it feels that relying on a lower price to expand overseas market share as soon as possible is the most important direction at present.
@@kevinrich5222 That 3.0l engine is petrol driven btw.
I have a cannon for a daily runner and some carrying materials for my Roofing company it's ok for that stuff but if I was gonna go out back I'd most probably buy a landrover 110