[High IQ] Is skipping grades a good idea if you're intellectually gifted?

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  • @silverfae2397
    @silverfae2397 5 років тому +25

    I am 14 years old with a 140+ IQ (tests have varied), and next year I'll be in 11th grade with people 2-4 years older than me (since I'll be taking AP Calculus). I've been ahead 2 or 3 grades most of my life, as I was home schooled for a while and then returned to public school as an 8th grader, and always been at or near the top of my class. I found this video very interesting, however, I think there were also many benefits for at least me in grade skipping. While I'm still often bored or not really at the correct level, I think grade skipping was beneficial for me, I seem to fit in relatively well socially and academically.
    I do think you put forward a very interesting and important point though, well done!

    • @Abel.Abelson
      @Abel.Abelson  5 років тому +3

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    • @silverfae2397
      @silverfae2397 5 років тому

      @Daniel Leslie Thank you! It's definitely been a little all-over-the-place but it helps to explain and share my situation without seeming like I intend to brag.

    • @silverfae2397
      @silverfae2397 5 років тому

      @Daniel Leslie Yeah, that's a possibility!

    • @Bigbrodonateddollarsthroughsup
      @Bigbrodonateddollarsthroughsup 4 роки тому

      Great job bro, Cookie? 🍪

    • @hk-hy3xc
      @hk-hy3xc 3 роки тому

      He has actually said it. But I think he believes that you'll still feel very unrelated. Like, The proportion of your thought is bigger than his.
      I guess I am with you, bro. Like, when I talk with someone older than me, I feel a lot better.
      The reason I came here was to ask you a question. Can you please help me with these IQ tests?
      Sorry to bother you...

  • @michatheresiaprimus9972
    @michatheresiaprimus9972 3 роки тому +8

    I agree with you, gifted children are cognitively years ahead of their peers, but emotionally they are age-appropriate. Therefore, they need an environment that understands them, accepts them as they are and demands optimal (not too much and not too little), otherwise they have to endure or suffer a lot emotionally. In the best case scenario, the children have at least one person they can trust (mentor) or at least one suitable friend, so they can get through the school years unscathed. I am always amazed when I hear: "My problem child has finally skipped a class and now everything is going perfectly", as if skipping were the "panacea"! This is probably due to a lack of knowledge about the complex topic, one always speaks only of enrichment, but not of the socio-emotional aspects. We consider fifteen IQ points +/- among highly gifted people to be "socially acceptable". The grammar school average in Germany is IQ 107 and the average IQ 100. From IQ 70 one speaks of mental impairment, from IQ 60 of dementia. This calculation can be applied in both directions, then one quickly becomes aware of how a child with IQ 130 is likely to feel among all people with a difference of thirty points and that a child with IQ 145+ is "out of this world". I am extremely gifted and so are my four children, the suffering they have to endure every day of school, despite the knowledge of the topic (which unfortunately I did not have at their age), apart from the chronic cognitive underload, is difficult to endure ! My first-born has lost two years of school due to bullying from classmates and teachers and is now finishing high school at almost 18. I can hardly wait for my youngest child's last day of school, because I understand them too well and still remember my own school hell very “vividly”! Especially when it comes to the most gifted, I agree with the highly gifted German psychologist Andrea Trappmann in her new book "extremely gifted", but also with some psychologists around the world. They are of the opinion that IQ 145+ in particular should save compulsory schooling whenever possible and instead try to organize them alternatively, homeschooling or the like.

  • @lillianzhang5531
    @lillianzhang5531 5 років тому +16

    This channel deserves more subscriber!

  • @mamatejko
    @mamatejko 3 роки тому +4

    I agree that grade skipping does not address the fundamental issues with being gifted in a mediocre school environment. Nevertheless, to some degree I used to envy kids whose parents or teachers actively worked to advance them forward and I saw it as a mistake of my parents that they kept me on the same level. I thought that at least it would let me escape from that hell a year or two quicker.

  • @LivingAlaska
    @LivingAlaska 9 днів тому

    I am 41 and just deconstructed my life. I absolutely love the Channel description, I guess im another alien just learning what you have.

  • @havenbastion
    @havenbastion 10 місяців тому

    The most practical way to understand intelligence is that a ~20 point IQ difference equates to a different set of communication abilities and needs. Intelligence is best understood as raw pattern recognition and manipulation ability.
    There are four elements that interact between intelligence and worldly success;
    a) IQ
    b) processing difficulties (autism, dyslexia, ADD, depression, etc.)
    c) what you choose to spend it on (social skills v. history v. philosophy...)
    d) what society allows for (you may be the best world leader but never get a chance to know or pursue it)

  • @williamjamessidis7736
    @williamjamessidis7736 5 років тому +9

    Hi, I have Asperger syndrome along with giftedness. I totally agree with you about skipping grades.

    • @Abel.Abelson
      @Abel.Abelson  5 років тому +1

      Did you skip grades? Or not? And how was that for you? And how and when were you diagnosed Asperger?

    • @williamjamessidis7736
      @williamjamessidis7736 5 років тому +1

      AbelAbelson yes I skipped grades and I am disappointed. Now I attend a gymnasium for gifted student and finally, I can use and grow my potential. I was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome when I was 11 years old. Can I ask you how the brain of gifted people is different?

    • @jennifersmiths1551
      @jennifersmiths1551 5 років тому +1

      William James Sidis interesting topic

    • @Abel.Abelson
      @Abel.Abelson  5 років тому

      I have a theory about two types of gifted brains and how these are different from each other, and from the "normal" brain, I'm going to make a video about it.

    • @williamjamessidis7736
      @williamjamessidis7736 5 років тому

      Abel Abelson oh cool, looking forward!

  • @ChaoticNeutralMatt
    @ChaoticNeutralMatt Рік тому

    Just found your series of videos. They've been interesting. I've had some parallels, but the point regarding grade skipping is well made. I've seen mention of other schools that use different methods which show promise, but I honestly don't find how things are taught generally to be all that useful. Math could have been handled a lot better. It's challenging because I've exposed myself to a lot of sources of information to dabble in anything that interests me and I'm not really the same kid. There are similarities, but far different circumstances. The challenges were very different and I was effectively alone in my struggles (slow with a decent head, but also other issues)

  • @joseph499
    @joseph499 5 років тому +12

    Interesting video. I had to face the inadequacy of school system having an IQ of 162 points.

    • @Abel.Abelson
      @Abel.Abelson  5 років тому +1

      Hey Joseph, thanks. The higher the IQ, the more things are inadequate, right? :) Not only school...

    • @joseph499
      @joseph499 5 років тому +3

      AbelAbelson yes,
      I must say that I have been practicing for 3 years tai chi and it is helping me reduce stress and anxiety.

    • @Abel.Abelson
      @Abel.Abelson  5 років тому +1

      @@joseph499 Great! I'm too much of a "softie" by nature so I need jujutsu to confront myself with more violent stuff and correct that a bit. Not that jujutsu as such is violent, but the settings are of violent conflict, like X is going to hit you with a stick or knife you, and what are you going to do. It's very confronting, psychologically above all.

    • @joseph499
      @joseph499 5 років тому

      AbelAbelson cool, my cousin ( is really into martial arts )told me that is good for self-defence.

    • @lillianzhang5531
      @lillianzhang5531 5 років тому +1

      Joseph cool I do Kung Fu and it's really helping me

  • @hootiebubbabuddhabelly
    @hootiebubbabuddhabelly 3 роки тому

    They tried to push me ahead in school when I was very young but thanks to my awesome mom, they stopped pushing. But not before I'd abandoned math, which I loved. I didn't want anything to do with it after that. It attracted too much attention. I wasn't raised like that. Nobody interrupted my explorations or interfered with my interests until I started school but, strangely, I enjoyed school. I did not like the attention. I liked the school bits - with all of the "things" and equipment we didn't have at home. In the end, all I really LEARNED was how to keep my head down - how to fly under the radar to avoid the time-suck of attention and interference - i.e. "guidance". But that was a long time ago. Long before all of this "spectrum" stuff. I kept my explorations at home but was, otherwise, invisible. I was a happy kid. Raised in an environment of exploration by explorers.
    That said, I don't think "188" points worth of "smart" is unusual. When people congregate according to their interests and leave all of the sociopolitical baggage at the door, everybody appears to be exponentially smarter than they'd probably test or appear outside such an environment. Many, even smarter than me. But try to find that sort of environment as an adult - it's often confined to specific interests and my interests are all over the cotton-pickin place so I keep them to myself. And the typical "world" is so small that it basically becomes one tiny spec in the overall scale of reality. It's like having the largest playground in the whole of existence! "The unknown" - it's HUGE! Not to mention the perfect environment for an explorer -

  • @joseph499
    @joseph499 5 років тому +4

    Just now I bought your book on Amazon, is exceptional that you share your experiences!

  • @tehehe5929
    @tehehe5929 Рік тому

    "Education" is a problem even for normal children. Governments should've never been involved. Chaotic competition (especially when curriculum is considered) should be the norm. I would risk the statement that schools are completely useless for most people and should not be mandatory. It's mostly about signaling and not learning with the current system. I like your video and completely agree btw.

  • @EdvinPalmer
    @EdvinPalmer 3 роки тому +2

    Great video! I agree with all the points you make. I love your analogies, too.

    • @Abel.Abelson
      @Abel.Abelson  3 роки тому +1

      Fabulous, thanks! If you like the video and points made, check out my books ;) amzn.to/3paQsmz

    • @EdvinPalmer
      @EdvinPalmer 3 роки тому +1

      @@Abel.Abelson You're welcome. Thank you for mentioning your books.

  • @bboysistou
    @bboysistou 2 роки тому +1

    I don't know if I am gifted or not, but school doesn't teach the kids the essentials things and understanding, it's just about learning by heart without knowing the true meaning of the concepts and how they are related. In short, school doesn't measure intelligence at all

  • @giordano5787
    @giordano5787 3 роки тому +5

    I've could have skipped a year or two If I knew I had to think dumb when doing IQ tests

  • @kacperbryl5617
    @kacperbryl5617 3 роки тому +2

    What do You think about Trevor Ray Slone's (quora) theory about "synthetic" and "integrated" thinking? Actually it is not his original thought but have You ever heard of such theory?

  • @bomcimtube
    @bomcimtube 3 роки тому +1

    my son is in the first grade and the school told us that he has superior cognition and he can skip 2nd grade. It is a hard decision to make

    • @Abel.Abelson
      @Abel.Abelson  3 роки тому +1

      Yes, definitely. Do take into account his emotional and hormonal age too. Intelligence is only one aspect, and if he's behind on all the others, it could be hard too.

  • @melissamuteba4327
    @melissamuteba4327 4 роки тому +2

    Do you have to be a gifted kid to skip a grade

    • @Abel.Abelson
      @Abel.Abelson  4 роки тому +2

      If you're not manifestly doing a lot better than the rest of your class, no one will even consider letting you skip a grade. So, practically speaking, yes.

  • @firek8376
    @firek8376 Рік тому

    I’m planning to skip 2 grades. Should I? I find school too easy, especially in math.

  • @joeldoxtator9804
    @joeldoxtator9804 Рік тому

    Grade skipping was never for the intellectually gifted.
    It was always for those who had parents that could afford private tutors.
    Being high I.Q. does not increase your innate understanding, it just means you are more capable of taking information and finding real applications for it.
    Skipping information will not further advance you unless you have a private tutor advancing you outside of school.
    This is also the case with those "genius" babies who fast track to college at 12 and 13 years old.
    100% of them went through HELL in private tutoring.
    This is fine if the child wants this, but being forced upon them should be considered a form of abuse.

    • @Cecilia-ky3uw
      @Cecilia-ky3uw Рік тому

      This is all wrong information. High IQ does increase your innate understanding and ability to reason, check the SMPY. A bunch of smart students were given what was to them novel problems they never encountered. They solved them. Individually. No explanation needed. And those genius babies did not necessarily go through hell, because you can find a fuck ton of smarter than their grade children who could use a challenge, all the more likely, if those 12-13 year old college fast tracks were even privately tutored, then they were more than capable of grappling with what they were taught, go to your average kid and try your hardest. They won't ever understand it until they do.

    • @joeldoxtator9804
      @joeldoxtator9804 Рік тому

      Understanding is exposure.
      You cannot formulate a solution unless you understand the pathways to that solution.
      These pathways are always fundamental knowledge that builds upon itself in complexity in order to solve more complex problems.
      Math is a language.
      You cannot just drop someone into the middle of math, say Algebra 2 and expect them to have any idea what is going on.
      They don't posses the fundamental knowledge to understand what is going on.
      As in they do not have the fundamental language.
      It doesn't matter how smart you are, if you are not exposed to the fundamentals of language, you cannot understand what is going on or being discussed.
      Someone is teaching these grade skippers the language, and if it is not the schools, then it is private tutors or the parents.
      This is the key.
      No amount of intelligence can fill in missing information that you are not exposed to in the first place.
      Unless you are some Leonardo like prodigy that just creates his own language to solve problems, but that is very VERY rare and typically does not manifest until late adult hood when they have gathered experiences enough to formulate their own language.
      Dropping someone into Algebra 2 and having them know everything required to understand it with no previous exposure would be psychic, as in they would have to be mind readers in order to formulate anything that is going on. @@Cecilia-ky3uw

  • @qwerty-wt5dr
    @qwerty-wt5dr 4 роки тому +2

    So one with high IQ should join others of his level

  • @safia.baraka116
    @safia.baraka116 2 роки тому

    So what a parent need to do when his or her kid is gifted? And can skip three grades

    • @Abel.Abelson
      @Abel.Abelson  2 роки тому +1

      I would suspect at least one of the parents would be gifted too, so think about how you would have had an awesome childhood and try to come as close to that for your child as possible.

  • @whatevvvv
    @whatevvvv Рік тому

    I gave up by now kinda, I've decided I'll study over summers and acquire knowledge on my interests instead, I dont think I'm gifted but I relate to being extremely different, I was told I'd likely go to college at 15 but I had to go back to my home, Iraq. which has shitty education, it discouraged me and all attempts my parents devised to make me "skip" failed because I despised studying useless things, I wish I could just sit with an intellectual and disuss the subject and ask questions... No, I am not high iq, I am obsessed with understanding hard concepts and drive myself insane, i have severe adhd that makes my attention span jump off right when I'm about to harness the collossal amount of mental power i feel i have in me, i wish i could fix it..

    • @Cecilia-ky3uw
      @Cecilia-ky3uw Рік тому

      What hard concepts, you got me curious.

    • @whatevvvv
      @whatevvvv Рік тому

      @@Cecilia-ky3uw I look at simple things way deeper than people, for example in mathematics my peers just care about getting it right,
      For me I don't CARE if I get it right, or learn the method or the formula to getting the right answer, I want to know HOW it works, I want to understand exactly every single number and how it's going in and going out,
      And this often causes my simple brain confusion and long long long endless painful thinking.
      I have the hunger of someone gifted but the brain of someone average and neurodivergent, I think that's how I could put it

    • @Cecilia-ky3uw
      @Cecilia-ky3uw Рік тому

      @@whatevvvv I'm fairly sure the understanding here resembles my urges, although I generally have suppressed them since it was starting to get absurdly impossible to understand things. For example, have you found a reliable way to describe energy through its basic units that sounds sensible? And related to that is force. The kg part complicates description.

    • @Cecilia-ky3uw
      @Cecilia-ky3uw Рік тому

      @@whatevvvv but honestly, isn't the understanding helpful?

    • @whatevvvv
      @whatevvvv Рік тому

      @@Cecilia-ky3uw for me my brain is too weak, I'm like 15 and turn 16 in 3 months, sometimes really complex topics just pop for me and then I "lose it" and no longer understand it, I am hoping one day to get an amount of pure concentration that I at all times understand topics

  • @gonzothegreat1317
    @gonzothegreat1317 Рік тому

    A guy I met at mensa skipped two years and went to University at age 16 for a mathematics degree. He worked for a few years as a math teacher after that, felt a bit unsatisfied and went back to university to study philosophy in his early twenties. He said he really struggled with the age gap in relationship to social interactions. He felt he missed that part of university.
    I never skipped any years, had high grades, except some years when I started slacking sometimes, but I could always pull my grades back up. Followed my own interests as much as possible. During this time, I did a lot of 'the research', you mentioned in another video.

  • @sharamadsen3080
    @sharamadsen3080 3 роки тому

    Do you have an email address for a question?

    • @Abel.Abelson
      @Abel.Abelson  3 роки тому

      Hi Shara, I prefer the comments here. If it's really too personal, you'd better probably ask your question to someone more qualified... I don't really think I'm the right person to get too deep into people's personal lives...

  • @m1galler
    @m1galler 3 роки тому +1

    Homeschool

    • @Abel.Abelson
      @Abel.Abelson  3 роки тому

      Definitely. If you have the right circumstances (like parents willing and able to provide you with the right setting).

    • @m1galler
      @m1galler 3 роки тому

      @@Abel.Abelson yes. I'm the parent too. So I remember hating school and just wanting to have time to focus on my own things. So we decided to unschooling our child when he was comming home in trouble for not playing the neurotypical social game. In his home environment hes with 2 parents that talk to him as an equal and he choose what to learn. The only thing I push is athletics or movement based on the time he chooses to spend sitting. Other than that hes self lead and years above his grade. Hes 16 now and wants to do highschool just for the experience and to learn the social lessons. First lesson. Schools not a building full of kids just like you.

    • @Abel.Abelson
      @Abel.Abelson  3 роки тому

      Great!

  • @noahsibahi-jackson8757
    @noahsibahi-jackson8757 3 роки тому +1

    No offence but you really need to work on better summarising your points

    • @MsSirAndy
      @MsSirAndy 3 роки тому

      he has 135 IQ you can't criticize him he's right because he's smarter so you need to shut up

    • @julius1261
      @julius1261 3 роки тому

      @@MsSirAndy wow, that’s very smart of you

  • @robertburatt5981
    @robertburatt5981 Рік тому

    Nonsense. And you make too much of "intellectual giftedness"!

    • @matviyk3066
      @matviyk3066 Рік тому +1

      Good thing you only perceive so far