How to define good and evil
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Catherine Nixey, Cardinal Peter Turkson, Wole Soyinka, David S. Rose and Jean-Marie Guéhenno discuss whether we can know what good and evil are. Check out the entire conversation on our website: nexus-instituut.nl/en/activit....
Excerpt from the Nexus Conference 2018, ‘The Battle Between Good and Evil’ in Amsterdam.
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I can listen to the Elder with the white hair speak all day. His expression of his belief and what he knows is astounding and pulls you right into his head space.
He rumpled some feathers when he described humanity and what does not constitute to it... But I am sure the others also leant learnt something from this discussion whether they admit it or not.
In case you want to research him and listen him more.....his name is WOLE SOYINKA...
i love the dude with the white afro, he's the smartest one at the table.
He's a Nigerian professor,, wole soyinka by name
He’s a Noble Laureate
He's a sound mind
He is a Nobel prize winner.
That dude is my hero. He is my mentor.
Soyinka carries crazy perspective and knowledge. Such a gem of a human
He is truly liberated in his mind.
Why is there no comment on this video? Well I am glad to be the first comment! sending a shout out to our grand father from our great African Land, Wole Soyinka for coming out here and speaking truth!
He should disgust you. Who is labeled "evil" today? Who is evil tomorrow? Why can't god punish them? It's silly. Hell and evil are cruel tricks with zero evidence.
Wow Wow Wow _ For Those Of You Who Also Missed The Point _ I'm Going To Say The Same Thing Prof. Wole Soyinka Is Saying _ However I'm Going To Use Different Words " if you are not living humane _ you should not be considered a human being " { simple/practical }
Slight misspell there but i get it
Notice how that had members at that table vibrating.
The wise brother with white Afro is awake.
A Nigerian Professor Emeritus, my dear brother!!!
Well it isn't easy to give a speech while asleep
@@joelrobinson5457 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not really he just wants to categorize like everyone else.
He does not drink water so wise up
Father Wole is so beautiful physically and mentally.
you are a pillar. Unbreakable, I must say. I had the honor to read your poems and of your books, not just now but as a teen - in middle school and high school, It somehow built my personality. Right there, I knew what I wanted to be. ( Wole Soyinka)
Try his 'elder' brother too, Chinua Achebe...these men are national treasures to the Africa and the world.
Prof. Wole Soyinka is teaching!
When everyone makes arguments(or speeches) always watch the guy that makes his speech/argument a discussion
3:55 mark he didn't point a finger or name names. He just listed the evil acts. And they nearly jumped out of there seats. 😁
That was hilarious to see
🤣🤣🤣
Conscience. Which in and of itself is a good thing.
Ofcourse
Crypto prepper that is Wole Soyinka form Nigeria,I agree with you his words alone wins the argument.
This is good stuff, good food for thought, good to hear various perspectives on these various topics, very educational.
Cavemen hit eachother with sticks and were like "ow' dont do that, it hurt" thus defining to "hurt" someone be inherently bad, or "evil" anything beyond this is a progression of this principle.
" we have this idea that we need God to have moral direction" I never had that idea I'm an atheist and I have a very strong moral compass. Despite the fact that I'm an atheist I would never compromise my belief system for someone else's ignorance it's just not the way I'm going to go down.
Sam fisher:How do you,as an atheist,define what is moral or immoral?
@@craigezell4261 by erring on the side of life.
@@craigezell4261 The atheist and unbeliever say they have 'morals' or morality (not 'good morals'). God's Word defines good and evil morals.
@@samfisher4247 the afro man should use normal words. His definition of evil is narrow - torture and denying volition (personal choice). Britannica EVIL meaning: 1. morally bad 2. causing harm or injury to someone.
Notice the "Intelligent" One that is speaking resembles the discription of the God in the Bible. White wholly hair brown/bronze copper skin Firey eyes and a beautiful heavy masculine Voice 💜
Haha d u d e. Lol are you Christian?
Wole Soyinka…. Nobel prize winner for literature in 1986
read his books!
Christ not god and i had the same thinking
I was born a Christian here in the South. But oh boy my personal spiritual experience taught me something totally different. God truly tested me I am glad he did.
Cardinal Peter Turkson, human dignity did not come come with christianity. In Africa, there was much human dignity before the intrusion of christianity. I am not saying the African populations were perfect. But no foreign religion added value to the worth of African populations.
Speak !!!
You are an extremely intelligent person. You speak the absolute truth.
Shukran/Thank you for your truthful and candid voice!
I agree fam!! Confused pastor doesn't understand much about dignity..Ubuntu is a part of us and it constitutes dignity in us
The cardinal has forgotten Ubuntu... We didn't have the bible for Ubuntu to exist .... They destroyed Ubuntu. Now we are fighting to develop that concept
James Earl Jones and Morgan Freeman and got nothing on this guy but they all part of the wise Uncle club 💯😎🌈🍸😎💯🤗🤗
Well said
Are we about to write something new from another roundtable discussion? Or do we use what is already written?
i love to be apart of this discussing with them. just some mature adults having a conversation are debate.
How can I watch the full video
The pastor Turkson reminds me of my very religious uncle who takes everything to defend christianity
typical stockholm syndrome?🤔
He is brain washed
Bro. is highly brainwashed.
Proverbs 16:8 "there is a way that seems right to a man but its end is the way to death."
Catherine could give us an example of how God was one way in the old and a different way in the new.
Shut up
Why will anything write your life?
Is dignity an external influence or something that is within? Can someone give you dignity or take it away?
I think it can be taken away (temporarily from those who have it). I also think the very essence of what amounts to dignity is within.
Good and evil is just perspective.
What I think is good you might find evil and what I find evil you might find good.
Every single person on Earth has both traits.
You can't have free will without the balance of good and evil.
The free will to make choices.
if there was no need for war the evil people would get there justice but the new hero dies fighting a battle thats not theirs. no human united goal ✊🏾🌌
I'm ready to comment
The Gentleman who wanted a defining answer on what would be considered evil was being coy, he knows better, and common sense should prevail.
@@Wow30035 people knew having slaves was evil they jus cared more about the benefits. Observe closer. Everyone dz it.
@@joyjoy5689 yea this was forever ago. My view has changed.
He also knows the history of his ancestors.
A very wise man once said, ‘and I paraphrase,’ “…religion has nothing to do with being religious…,” Jiddu Krishnamurti
“Good” is an action, being a good person requires good thoughts, speech and deeds; however, note, how with “evil,” we tend to assign it a life of its own, we make it an entity, or a force (for some it is even given the level of the supernatural) all of which is outside ourselves. It seems to me, that this is the height to which humans fragmentary, in our thinking, we want to disconnect the “evil” act from the human being.
When the fact is, that humans are seldom humane; which is to be: responsible for each other, to be caring and kind to each other, to have mercy, compassion and love for one another.
We have to come to see, face and accept that along with the overt forms of violence with which we are all most familiar: theft, assault, rape, torture, murder and war (which is merely murder justified by imaginary borderlines or differing religions); there are too, the subtle forms of violence: our thoughts about another, gestures towards others, our speech with each other, or the wave of a hand to brush someone off, even our dreams.
It is critical to see that both overt and subtle forms of violence contribute to our collective global consciousness as do being “good.”
Wise words 😌
Great topic I’m glad to listen . When a person said the GOD is confusion Is revealed there how far that person is from God because God has revealed himself to humanity through Christ through the Holy Spirit . You may have heard from God that does not mean do you have experience in in counter to with God . Please call on him
I know he will answer.
"Tricky Tricky Tricky"! The bottom line is that no matter how we perceive things, "they are whatever it is that they are" LOL
Love how he ended this
Church need attract people to join. Simple psychological way holding people to gather are making a common enamy, e.g. evil man, evil system.
In fact, Chuches simply go as people behavior in unification. Anything could not be seen, sounds like vary important. Acctrually, those're man-make, those're sins (in the biblical trem) , please proplong discussion were not necessarily come to the end, when any thing in the pass was pass.
Fairness is good and unfairness is evil.
Acts that are favorable by the creator i.e. good and those things that go away of the approval of the entity that created the existence. And he had his word. And you can learn the rest by his inspired writings.
GOD is beyond Good and Evil. Those concepts are human constructs. In its most basic form, Good and Evil can be reduced to Love and Fear, which is the most common basis in thoughts and emotions of what we Like and Dislike, what we consider to be Right and Wrong, or Should and Shouldn't do. It's the collective agreement on these concepts which then becomes the 'rules' of Society, Religion, and Government.
That's your opinion it isn't objective. It's not a fact. Ancient times wars were started by the Christian sword and raping and pillaging were apart of that. God your so called God you believe contradicts himself in the bible so many times. Incest, murder and racism is in the bible. Shall I quote the scriptures?
THEDARKSIDEOFTHEFORCE66 please quote some scriptures I would love to use them
God is Evil.
... listen...
Wole Soyinka is smart
Sure 💯
Etc and etc and etc does cause complications.
Grey's and beautiful😍
Why do christians always get a free pass?
The white woman is more awake than the African priest. Smh.
Her perspective of theology is horrendous. Her understanding of scripture horribly lacking.
@@prayunceasingly2029 I think the bible and logic don't go together
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Life without a designer isn't logical. Complexity and volumes of information encoded in dna don't form from non biological matter to somehow create organisms. The multi verse theory is a kind of "science of the gaps" to try to explain what science can't possibly explain by material means.
@@andreyking2062
Abiogenesis has never been successfully proven to create life in a lab.
@@prayunceasingly2029 I believe in God (to the disappointment of the atheists here) but that doesn't mean the bible or Koran is logical at all at least not to the type of logic known currently to man. A lot of gaps, a lot of child stories and sheer irrationality. You can't deny alot is very much unanswered. Makes one gravitate towards science. I'm west African it complicates things the more we have a reality here and the reality is drowning in globalization. trying so much to gulp in as much oxygen as it can muster but oppressive capitalism married to abyss like consumerism and endless want for things and feelings and feelings of lost identity won't allow or even acknowledge the unique existence and validity of the African reality. You want me to believe I'm not even real but you are. You will live your entire life not knowing who you are let alone knowing who God is.
The wisdom of man is foolishness to God. Don't be wise in your own eyes.
So we should be foolish
Adwoa, do you know the wisdom of God ? I bet you don't know too... So why not leave him with his wisdom which we will never attain and just understand the wisdom of Man since we are all here. If he is that complex, let him be.
Did God say that? No, that was said by a deluded man! God is in you and you are a god, you can create too! You are created in his image! Don't be foolish
God's wisdom is foolish by itself. Ask yourself, do you drown your own infant to appease God?
I am a member of being and I don't subscribe to whatever tries to take away from being.
I am because someone made me .
I am me and it does not matter because whatever you think about being, it is about being. Are you me? I am not you.
Older folks like me need to get away and let it happen. It is what it is and it needs to be allowed to happen.
IDK what it is but it needs to happen.
Nature needs to happen.
I am tired of explaining stuff
I hate hate
Let good happen
Yezgabher zfetero hiwet entehalu nimintay ,ezga zfetero niseb yisakey .. profeser ...melis edemisrtu kehonu
Wait is evil
This chap who says the etceteras are the problem is clearly determined to fight good. He is uncomfortable with the mentioning of slave trade and its attendant vices.
Theology is a problem???
What are the 10 commandments?
just as complex as maths may be to a language student, so God is to unbelievers
Love and good isn't against.
I know you ask against what?
Love and good isn't against.
You will need to see on your own what I meant.
I can not explain it.
Long life for all world wide humantiy to humanbing
I agree with Morgan Freeman
He is not Morgan kevin, that Prof Wale Soyinka from Nigeria
Prof Whole Soyinka
Prof. Wole Soyinka
Yes my white hair brother marvalous
They chritisized God and promoted greek philosophy,trying to cover the filth and the evil in greek system .All they talked about is the philosophy not mOrality.
They all jumped on the gentleman with the afro, he seems to say things that irritate them
Very true.
Excellent Group discussion.
It totally clarifies my current evil unwanted pin point TORTURE from my boss...
Many thank you team!!
Good discussion but I see all their views as wrong with dr wole coming the closes. Good is anything that rationally perpetuates man’s existence in THIS world and vise versa being evil.
God created man out of his image, that means u are a god u can create what ever comes first in your mind.
Here we have a stone. Moved by will alone
Build a home or throw at your neighbor
I can create anything? How quickly? Why can't starving children create food when their hunger comes to mind? Surely as "gods" they would be able to "create food by thinking it" yet people still starve to death.
They will never understand! I Hope they do one day
after reading your comment, it reminds me of the question of why God created stupid people.
Soyinka I love if Africa have many people like you and my ghanin brother we the Africans would have waken up
The man from Ghana did not represent. He has a colonized mind. And he revels in it.
I love mr Turksons comment but find that mr Soyinka makes a critical mistake deviating the discussion into defining evil. That is the complete opposite of the example of thinkers such as Mann, Spinoza and Plato, who nourished humanity with their noble pursuit for goodness.
The only way to “save” humanity is to relate to the Godly attributes, to the eternal values and to cultivate a practice for embodying them.
Without that, punishing evil is a topic completely void of value and thus of dignity and in my opinion, and i allow myself to be quite harsh here, it’s a practice that taints the whole tradition of philosophy, lowering it into mere speculation.
it's the etcteras the problem
Wole told them but that man had a problem with the truth. There are so many evil things “they” did the etc’s represent a long laundry list. They always feel under attack when the truth is spoken. Just accept it. It is what it is. Subhuman is what it is just accept the truth of the atrocities your ancestors performed and how you are still carrying on these same practices but with consideration to laws, sometimes.
Cardinal Turkson does not seem to have an emancipated mind. Still colonized. Sad, very sad for Ghana.
Hey I thought this was Morgan Freeman.
The problem is that this argument is between old testament and new testament and maybe islam as if those are the only possible religious beliefs. Open your narrow Abrahamic eyes. Many evolved societies have completely different beliefs than the ones you are debating.. in fact they resolve most of the issues you all have brought up. Just because you have elegant lighting and camera angles doesn't mean you have the only view point. Ik onkar.
If you don't understand the will of the spirit of flesh and the will of the holy spirit,u won't understand some situations
And some funny Ghanaian would listen to Prof. Soyinka and the Rev. From Ghana and still tell you that Ghanaian English is better than Nigerian English. How?😂
No mind them
Muslim mind was missing on that table but the Nobel laureate said most of the right things on our behalf
Good and evil are abstract concepts rooted in religions, and are loosely defined. Just stick to the 'Afterlife' and why its demons (Jesus, Mohammed etc.) interact with or through the living believers of now.
That cardinal is schooling that crowd. In a single breath he showed those atheists how only human dignity as understood and taught by the Catholic Church is the highest and most solid foundation for understanding and defining evil.
Actually we don't have all the time to define good and evil everytime. The first problem being that we can't agree on what we consider good and evil in the first place. So long as volition is the definition of dignity (which is just what the harm principle is all about), then we will run into problem of individualism which will not allow for existence of society. Simply because my volition will be defined by my sense of good and evil and may never agree with other people's? The whole thing about good and evil and volition will then become subjective and nothing else. How can homosapiens exist without objective moral truth?
Define morality.
Skin of bronze hair like wool.
There is only one good, it is “to live”
There are countless evils, they're all “to live better”
Why is rape evil? That is the question...
o ye old sprt
Respect and Blessings;
“The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the Lord. All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the Lord weigheth the spirits. Commit thy works unto the Lord, and thy thoughts shall be established. The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished. By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil.”
Proverbs 16:1-6 KJV
"All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God," and "Love covers a multitude of sins."
....look at Karen and Ken.....getting schooled...
This woman is speaking blasphemy. The Most High god is not confusing, it is man in base conscienceness, trying to live in his wisdom, which has been shown since the fall of Adam, that man cannot rule himself, it must be god.
This rings true, because Christ was sent just to do this, bring man out of base conscienceness, into heavenly conscienceness. Which will bringing man out of the tree of good and evil into the tree of life. Rev. 22:14
Christ rules in summary, for all men to live both Jew and gentile:
1. Love god with all your heart and soul.....
2. Love your neighbor. .....
3. Live by grace and have faith in our lord and savior.......
4. Live by the fruit of the spirit. Gal. 5:22-23
Repent, walk away from your wicked ways, seek Christ, and live by the fruit of the spirit. Gal. 5:22-23
I agree with this whole thing if people want to be Christians why would they follow a god who's been through who have his own people kill another race just to clean their land that eventual that is murderous and it is evil is truest form why should you fear your God and not love him he's supposed to love you God not fear him Christianity has it all wrong I am pagan and I'm proud of it I love my gods and goddesses I had no need to fear them
Why wasn't any muslim intellect in this gathering?
Ask your self why. Muslims are not open to anything other than Islam. They dont believe in freedom of thought
@@andreyking2062 That doesn't answer my question. And incase you're sincerely ignorant, let me mention a few muslims I know who are famous on youtube and would easily attend something like this, Mohammed Hijab, Hamza Tzortzis, Daniel Haqiqatjou. These are just to name a few. However, If your blanket remark on muslims stems from arrogance or hate, then thats you with a problem.
@@abdulrazaqamedu3839 you see? Proving my point again. Muslims are so insecure about criticism is seen as Islamophobia. The usage of this word has killed its true meaning
@@abdulrazaqamedu3839 I can't believe you mention those names, they aren't even Muftis or scholars and they're knowledge is elementary. Daniel and Hijab are closed minded Sunni Salafis.
@@INFP5w4 I don't know if you're a muslim or not. If you're a muslim, then your conduct is poor. Suggest better muslim representatives without discrediting hardworking muslims. If you're not a muslim, stop being scared of muslims just because you know that their arguments will trump your ideologies easily.
Good: acts and behaves in a manner that is without consequence.
Evil: quotes the King James Version of the Bible in every other sentence and behaves like a terrorist.
It these are the best minds in Africa, we can conclude Christianity isn't helping anything. Labeling anything evil is beyond childish.
Wole Soyinka !!!!!!! i did not care for the black priest dude
Islam answered it all.
Complicated it all?
All these white people around the table get mad and in their feelings while the elder speak Facts lol...all praises to the Most High.
Believing.........define me y'all old babas
Can't no one remove that good teachings and morals from a gentleguy in me.....
According to freeman old...... satan the devil was a trickster and not emotional....haha that
European dignity....non existent......WS.....
what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God. - Luke 16:15
Think about how peaceful you feel when you humble yourself and dont lift yourself above the Lord
Deluded believer.
The Jews Old Testament and the Greek Roman pagan New Testament does not match.
The best human being has evil in the heart, for so we were born. You can philosophise all you want, only the Bible gives true direction.
Those who got a bit rowdy over what the guy with fro said cant accept that ALL OF HUMANS NEED TO ASK GOD TO FORGIVE OUR FILTHY SINS....If you think God is not upset with you and you dont believe that he sent his son Our Savior Jesus, you are going to that burning, dark place.
So you will kill me if I don't believe you. It is yours to prove to me why I should believe you. Not to kill me for eternity because I say I don't believe. The devil caused sins right ? And he has the right to move around while you kill me for not just believing in you that you sent your son to redeem me ? I believe in Jesus but I don't believe he kills people that don't believe in him. While you were yet sinners he died for us. Preach Jesus message of love and not condemnation.
Pure Imperialist mentality.... You go to war because I have don't respect you. Charlatan
Why when we say repent our sins to Our Savior Jesus, some get mad. Are you mad that You cant have your ways with this world because you didnt create it . We mankind have to follow the rules of the Creator of this world, Creator of humanrace. Dont except the Lord to bless us all when most of you GET SOOO OFFENDED WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS SPREAD THE WORD TO ALL TO REPENT AND TRUST IN JESUS AND WE CAN ALL HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE....ABOUT KILLING, GOD WILL TAĶE OUR LIVES BECAUSE HE CREATED US AND BECAUSE HE IS GOD. ITS HARD FOR SOME PPL TO ACCEPT AND FOLLOW GOD COMMANDMENT
@@ohwojeroobaromine7512 Im sorry that you are blind, it is you and ppl like you who love your life on earth who doesnt understand what the Holy Bible says, who CANNOT ADMIT YOUR A FILTHY SINNER (JUST LIKE ME AND EVERYONE)
AND CANT ASK YOUR SINS TONBE FORGIVEN CAUSE YOU TO PROUD.THE BIBLE SAYS TELL PEOPLE to REPENT SINS AND TRUST IN JESUS so we believe in Jesus go to heavan. Life on earth is short so pls read the Bible so you can be saved.
Moreso you don't know the guy in Afro. Flash !!! He isn't a Christian . He used to be into African deity worship , till he shifted into a belief of just being humans(humanitas). His name is Professor Woke Soyinka. So he isn't even preaching repentance. He is saying you should have a list of what is generally acceptable of good and evil and as humans you should be humans first before being religious. You thought he was preaching Christianity ? You must be ignorant and a joker. Yes you Kimberly.
That Gentile woman should have kept quiet especially when she's talkin about God she hasn't a clue.
Although i agree her understanding of the Bible is really really low, the Hebrew Isrealite movement is a cult.
WAKE UP JUDGE NO ONE.
I tell you: prohibition is stupid. You can educate a man out of a state, but you cannot prohibit him from occupying it. If I told you I would give you the earth if you would not think of a monkey for the next 24 hours, I would keep my earth, for you could not do it. Every commandment that is negative will be broken, for
“God has consigned all men to disobedience that he may have mercy on all.”
Let me go back to sleep ya deluded believer.
@@berglen100 God is Evil. He doesn't show mercy on anyone.
Another vocabulary war. Whole setup a joke. I can c u
You can not know the definition of Christianity when you don't know Jesus Christ.
That is the thinking that led Africans down the path they are on. Emancipate your mind.
Fuck Jesus.
God is above human comprehension. Jesus Christ is Almighty God and no human reasoning can take that out. Evil exists because Satan, the devil exists. Simple as.
If God or Jesus is forever beyond human reasoning or comprhension then Priest's, Cardinal's, Bishop's etc... around the world have no idea of what their talking about because their speaking on human terms about a being that is quite literally in their own words beyond their understanding. How do you dictate the will of a supposed "deity" that is simply beyond your understanding? I dont ever want to hear a prayer or hymn again if your only argument is "God is above human comprhension". If you dont understand, and have no immediate or long term means of understanding it then God is useless. Like a vague unsolved mystery with no real basis in a world where our human sense of understanding, dignity, rationality, compassion, and intuition is evolving and improving without "divine assistance". Also if evil exist's, then that means your God made it so right? What is evil then? Why are there so many nuances that come with it? Why is your God so vague on what evil is? Why are some members of various churches comitting evil acts? Sound's like God is not all knowing, not all powerful, and/or not all good.
Good for you don't have time for what I don't understand.
God is Evil. Satan is Good.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." So it is only God who determines what is good or evil, so He gave us His laws in the Holy Book to guide us, and later He sent Jesus to show us the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
What was happening before the beginning? So who was showing the way before Jesus came?
God himself is Evil.
I think Christianity definition is beyond you people's understanding.
Christianity is nothing more than a stupid collective believers like yourself who believed in a sadistic Evil God who enjoys tormenting others.
Colossians 2;8 / ''Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.''
Amen brother
Christianity is a tradition of men and not of God. Jesus isn't a Christian. He never called his ideology christian. Men called it christians and politics changed it all
@@ohwojeroobaromine7512
Are you a muslim
@@prayunceasingly2029 no. I am a Christian.
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Oh ok