The Good news is, as brother in heaven Chuck Missler stated, God cannot learn nor lie, and knows all and we can rest in the fact that all of these events are His will and for our good and His glory. I'm just ever thankful that I'm saying this from the born again side of the fence and thank Jesus for holding onto me through it all.
There is no way a gentile can begin to comprehend the torah message . It is impossible to appropriate it from the jews for many reasons. Let me point out that the ' nt ' lacks a verse declaring god spoke to anyone directly 2000 years ago . Why not ? Now you pretend to understand a book you say is fulfilled ? Again, why won't god speak to you. There is abundant made up verses claiming to be in "ot" and are not. Why didn't your scribes ever write " and god spoke to jesus or mark or Paul and said speak to Christians and say the following ? Spit the unclean food out of your mouth when you try to read genesis - deut. A jew eating pork will not understand either
God doesn’t mind if we have questions about anything. Whatever we seek has to come from right motives, to desire to increase our knowledge of Him and our desire to become more like Him. We just have to understand that this side of Heaven we will not know all we would like to know. The day is coming however when we will know as we are known. I take comfort in that.
@@truthgiver8286you came here to comment nonesense with no reason? Can you prove he doesn’t exist? That is your belief just like we believe he does. Nobody here is trying to win you over you do not have to believe, personally I couldn’t care any less. Just keep your ignorance to yourself.
@@truthgiver8286 were you forced to respond to the original commenter? I’m just doing to you what you did to them, respond. If you don’t like it then don’t do it and complain.
Thorough is not boring, especially when it's about God and his living word of our salvation. I appreciate the way you teach. Praying for you and Bonnie always. Glory to the LORD our GOD in Christ Jesus ❤
It's not that simple, unless you're a Pelagian (heretic). If you believe in individual election, you don't believe in free will as the basis of the relationship. Even if you don't, you still believe that free will is hugely damaged, and still not the basis of man and God's relationship.
I guess that's just how it is, we are only a creation. If we are humble enough and also knowing there is something good to come, then why not.... Even elon musk doesn't agree to giving total free will to ai robots of the future.
Yes!! Why couldn't the speaker have kept it this simple?? If I'm not mistaken it sounded like a child's voice asking the question. .... Jesus said, "unless you become like little children you cannot enter the kingdom of God."
When God created Adam and Eve, he created them because he wanted a relationship with them. He created them in his image and in his likeness. He wanted them to love him and choose him above all else, the way that he loves us. And so he put them in a position to make a choice. Scripture says choose you this day whom you will serve as for me. In my house, we will serve the Lord. They didn't they chose self. And they did die spiritually. That's why God had to send Yeshua, Jesus to die as payment for our sin. When we are born again we are redeemed. We've been bought with a price the blood of the lamb. We are made to be restored. We are born again into newness of life. And we are restored to the life that Adam and eve had before the fall. Back to the original image and likeness of God. And we are saved by faith. And we are supposed to pursue the Lord. Not the world.
If mankind is dead in sin, and not one among mankind is righteous, how is any man supposed to choose God? Not one man did... The Lord Jesus said that man was unwilling in Matthew 23:37... "“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing." So, then, clearly, no man can, has, or will choose God. Rather, this is why our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus saved us through the Cross.
@eagle3351 As to mankind choosing his eternal destiny... The Lord Jesus commanded mankind to choose life... Deuteronomy 30:19-20... "This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." But, mankind chose death. The Lord Jesus knew mankind would choose death, as of course He would have known all along. So, all along, the Lord Jesus predestined that His future eternal sons and daughters would murder Him in the most torturous and ignominious way on a cross. The Lord Jesus died on the Cross in order to create sons and daughters who were made in His image. In order to be made in His image that meant His future eternal sons and daughters would have to come to the knowledge of good and evil molded together with free will. Therefore, Adam and Eve had to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So then, it was through the Cross that Jesus justified all the sins that followed Adam. It was through the Cross that Jesus made known to all of Creation that He forgave all of mankind's sins committed following Adam. By His resurrection the Lord Jesus made known that His future eternal sons and daughters were predestined for eternal life. As Paul's revelation about the Lord Jesus's eternal Gospel revealed through 1 Corinthians 15:51-57... "Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." So then, the Gospel declares that the Lord's eternal sons and daughters will freely declare that Jesus is Lord even though when we were commanded to choose life we all chose death... Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus predestined it all according to His eternal plan for mankind, that is, His future eternal sons and daughters. Truly then, all honor and glory belong to our Lord Jesus, who is God over all to be forever praised. So take heart... This is the Gospel upon which we take our stand in Christ Jesus.
its false. he did answer it, and if you look closely we ate of the fruit! we chose it. we ate from it! We are not robots, we have choices, free will. God creates, he puts a loving boundary and we choose against it through selfish desires, lies and pride. Yet, even when we chose our destiny he dies to save us through Jesus. Yes, he created it all but we have a choice. If your breathing you still have time to repent. not because you are a bad person but your condition of sin. Through love you can be reborn, not a slave to what you once were.
God plotted all of these things. God made a world full of emotions and wonders filled with different stories. But all of these things are for Him. He made everything so that everything shall glorify His Name.
That's a contradiction , if he is self suficient . A self suficient being needs nothing . He has no need of something or someone but himself. He has no need of something or someone to glorify him .
Very Genuine question! And the best way to get Our Father to answer our question! “ Matthew u:6-7. Is to ask him personally! I have also questioned some Promises that were given us by these Scriptures! And John 15:5, Psalm 1-6. To be a tree of Spiritual growth! And baring fruit!
"God has committed all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all ... From him and through him and to him are all things." (Romans 11:32,36a) Romans 8:19-21 is similar.
@CrowdJusticeUS name 5 thing without a creator and your proof and I will debunk every single one of them and infact you will only add things with a creator to my odds.
@@404Limit Before we have a go at your challenge, do you think that a cloud has a creator and, if so, what do you say the creator is and why? I'm just wondering whether or not your challenge is an honest one.
@@davegaskell7680 So far the score is 3-0 and you gave me the two points for things with a creator and made me write this text which is the proof of another thing with a creator and the text proves it as I am the creator, your text as a thing with a creator, and yes clouds have a creators. Water vapor and condensation is the creator of clouds a simple google search will tell you that, and you may want to say those are formed but go look up what word is used in the definition of formed (CREATE). If something "creates" something it is a CREATOR. So 3-0, Go on I heard them all, even God has a creator, men, 4 - 0. Funny thing is even if you try to say energy or virtual particles, you will be debunked and the fact that you untruthful atheist have to reach that far is quite sad. What type of energy? Kinetic created by motion, Thermal created by heat. As for virtual particles, they don't know what creates them but the believe it is the fields of other particles. For the things you don't know what creates them, does not mean they do not have a creator. Astrophysicist will even teach you the universe was created, another thing with a creator. Look I also do not believe in God or Gods, I to am atheist, but I am truthful one and I do not deny everything I observe has a creator. The creator creation axiom out numbers the axiom of numbers because all numbers are created, if you are to believe 1 = 1 you must believe this reality has a creator, otherwise the numbers are meaningless to you.
The why question doesn't matter now if we believe in God based on our personal experiences. We should do well to live a holy life and appreciate life irrespective. God is always good and won't be biase in his judgement.
Thank you for that. Something that is never mentions is that God is fair and just and super democratic. We all inherited among other attributes; free will to choose, make a decision. Even the angels.
We are born into sin, already guilty, and are heavily influenced by constant evil in the world around us. If we start off 'good', life breaks us down sooner or later. We can choose right, but then we're still here left with the wolves. I think it was Paul who said that the things he wills to do, he doesn't do, and vice-versa? The thing is that the more you do the things you wish not to do, the more desensitized you become, until they are habitual, and you start to not care so much because it seems more normal and understandable to you. So having chosen good, God lets Satan abuse us as he did with Job, until we eventually choose evil, as did Job. What was the point in giving us 'free will' at the cost of a pure world and eternal life, if our free will is influenced and reshaped? God gave us the ability to choose, at our own risk, so that we could love him instead of being programmed to act like we loved him. When people do choose to love God, however, he leaves us in silence and suffering, with Satan 'prowling around like a roaring lion, looking for those he can devour', until we blacken from corruption. The says "I never knew you." and casts us into hell fire. Am I being unfair or dishonest? Did Satan and the angels have free will? If they did, and rebelled, and God saw their fallen state. Why would he do it again with far lesser beings, and allow Satan to whisper in our ears? If the angels didn't have free will, then God himself determined that they should do what they did, already having planned that they would be destroyed along with the majority of all humans who ever lived, in eternal fire. Am I mistaken?
We may think that 'democracy' is 'good', but in God's kingdom, those who come to Him are transferred from the domain of darkness to the kingdom of His beloved Son (Col 1:13). We live in a Theocracy.
@@yvonnearpino9550amen. Jesus paid for us. We are slaves and in service but He raises us to status of sons, brothers, priests, kings, friends. I will always serve him gladly. Always.
Brilliant! Loved this! Cant believe I was so captivated throughout the whole 20 minutes. Usually I struggle to sit through sermons for more than 20 mins at a time. Im going to ser if JB has studies on Revelation now. I love this style of teaching and teaches free will too yippee 3:22 ❤ 3:28 🎉🎉e🎉🎉🎉🎉
Simple: it is just an expression of free will. The fruit simply represents the choice to disobey, which is in fact, a gift from god. He gave, and gives us that choice. That’s how much he loves us. And he knows we will make that choice. And that’s why Jesus was always plan A.
Would you put the poison in the Child’s play room if you instructed them not to eat it? Is giving them the free choice to obey you more loving than making sure they don’t eat poison? Would you then place talking toys in the play room that try and convince them to eat it? Would that be loving? Would you be at all responsible for their death when they inevitably eat it because you knew they would all along? I personally value my child’s physical and spiritual life more than my need to be obeyed or their free will choice to run into the freeway.
@@Tinesthia Your point of view assumes that the “fruit of the tree” is literally an object. Actually I don’t think it is. Instead I believe it’s simply a symbol for disobedience. And guess what: even you, though you may be loving and well intentioned, place disobedience in the playpen with the child. For so long as their are constraints, there is disobedience. (Go check how the kids who were raised without constraints turned out. Obviously, constraints are a form of love). So because we have free will. Because you love your child. There will always be the option to disobey. (The fruit of the tree) The amazing thing about God is that he both loves us enough to place the option of free will (the choice to disobey) in the garden with us AS WELL AS place the solution (the antidote to our inevitable choice) right next to it: Jesus. God does not “NEED” to be obeyed. He knew he wouldn’t be obeyed of course. But to create humans without free will would not be an expression of his love. It would very much oppose what is written about love in Corinthians 13. God is not responsible for our death either, just because he gave us free will. Our spirits are eternal, and he gave us the solution to our own mistakes (Jesus). So it’s a perfect plan. We are loved infinitely and without any strings - and we are given a savior because of what the lack of strings will lead us to. All of this spits in the face of Satan who tries at all times to corrupt us and mislead us. And so we live out our destiny. God to Satan: “And I will put enmity (open hostility) Between you and the woman, And between your seed (offspring) and her Seed; He shall [fatally] bruise your head, And you shall [only] bruise His heel.”
Plan A after this fall was the flood. God was very mad with His creation in the OT. But then He saw that the problem lies in human nature. Everyone is born evil after the Fall and is inclined to sin which is called concupiscence. To rescue, redeem and restore humanity they needed a Savior from their own fall which was Plan B. The protoevangelium of this was in Genesis when God said “the seed of the women” would crush the “seed of the serpent.” And this Baptism which is the new flood purifies our sinful nature and brings us to life in Jesus (the seed of the woman).
@@FractalityX If God knows the beginning and end, if he knows you before you're born, when you're born, what you're born into (indoctrination into other religions), and after your death, then how can he punish you? There's no free will, there's no true randomness because God knows everything you're going to do before you do it. You were born into sin and the devil can be anywhere at any time like God, whispering into the minds of men and women, making them do things they shouldn't. So wouldn't it be fair to say it's cruel and vindictive that God is damning his own creation, already knowing the devil and angels would betray him, alongside with his creation? People are either born damned as a sick joke or blessed, without any recourse. If you're blessed, it came from God and he blesses you, but if you're damned then God abandons you, still loves you but you're not allowed into Heaven. What kind of loving God does this?
@@omgwtfpwnd Just because God knows the outcome doesn’t mean the outcome is not determined by us. So if my individual outcome is damnation because of my own choices, it’s my own fault. The alternative is that God either never creates me, or controls my existence (no free will). I prefer to have the choice - and I have chosen him.
I think GOD allowed it because the LORD Jesus Christ is the lamb of GOD slain from the foundation of the world, and to have us exalt the SON in the FATHER is a part of his eternal salvation and perfect plan. He laid the foundation, there is definitely a plan, and HALLELUYAH it's given to us in the REVELATION of Jesus Christ. Just a deep thought. He has always wanted us to choose him willingly, and HE knows all things amen ❤
God knows everything 🙏 and in order for Him to honor His gift of Free Will, He needed to provide an item that would accomplish His divine plan. God bless you all ❤
@jaymeebarrington2509 Best explanation so far... Thank You... Wish "He," could of just started it of with "The New Millennium, and skipped the vast majority of creation having to way the consequences of sin with horrible pain and sufferings throughout all the ages past... I know we aren't to question God and I try not to... However to me, it would have been better if He would have never created it in the first place. 🫤 Before I was ever born I had no worries, no guilt, never sined, never felt pain, never experienced being betrayed by anyone or vise versa ect... ect... ect... Blessings: James... 🕊 P.S. - Yes I struggle with bitterness towards God. Trying however to over come... Amen... 🙏
@jamesharris9352 Please, my brother, don't be angry with God. Believe me when I say Jesus knows your pain and loves you more than you could ever imagine. I fully understand because I, too, endure heartache, but knowing God's love makes me love Him even more because He has never left my side nor yours.The enemy hates God so much that He wants to destroy us, but His Mercy and Grace said no. Trust Jesus, surrender and repent. We are going Home any minute now, and everything you experienced prior to coming to this painful world will be experienced again. Thank you for your honesty. You are a blessed individual with a loving ❤️ heart. I will keep you in prayer 🙏 ♥️ God bless you, my brother in Christ.
Basically, this is his answer: (1) I'm not sure (2) Not directly stated in the Scriptures He should've just answered plainly then gave an opinion that may possibly be the answer. He doesn't have to use big words and long unnecessary statements for this. We don't have to know everything.
We are not meant to know everything - (its not wrong to be curious depending on "your" motivation).... but thats what faith in God and Jesus is all about...Love =Trust...And some things are purely Gods (his secrets)... Dr. Barnett is right on target with this teaching. ❤✝
ASK YOUR GREAT AND WISE/IGNORANT DEMON PASTOR WHY HE CHOOSES TO IGNORE GOD AND THESE VERSES?* JEREMIAH 10:21 - *For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.* (Jer 22:22, 23:1) JEREMIAH 22:22 - The wind shall eat up all thy pastors, and thy lovers shall go into captivity: surely then shalt thou be ashamed and confounded for all thy wickedness. JEREMIAH 23:1 - *Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.* (Eze 34:10, Mal 3:8) EZEKIEL 34:10 - Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and *cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more;* for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. HOSEA 4:6 - *My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou has forgotten the law of thy GOD, I will also forget thy children.* (Zech 4:6) HOSEA 6:6 - *For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of GOD more than burnt offerings.*
Agreed! God has revealed to us precisely what we need to know. It's okay to ponder some things are wonder the mysteries as long as we don't obsess over these things or create division on them. What's been provided in the scriptures is sufficient for our understanding of things.
@@TennesseeWhiskii That's the classic "cop out" response - the Lord works in "mysterious" ways, and what has been provided in scriptures is "sufficient"
Cop out? Explain to me how that's a cop out? It's an answer that you refuse to accept. Do you think our Governments shares with us everything? God isn't obligated to share everything with us. He doesn't answer to us,we answer to him. The people that don't believe always seem to go out of their way to join these discussions. If you don't believe and absolutely know it to be untrue then why bother?@@Sealust50
8:38 What a great thought! God/Jesus is the only source of goodness. Seek Him, go to Him, Praise Him and you will be good. All glory to The Most High - YHWH, God of Abraham, Isaac and Jackob
God gave us free will he WANTS US TO CHOOSE HIM and to come by that decision on our own. If there had been no evil, no temptation how would he KNOW that we chose him or just didn’t know any other choice even with the angels. Angels have free will too . God had to allow a time of choosing for man otherwise we would have just been puppets..
I think there’s a simpler solution: Adam and Eve were forbidden from eating from the tree of good and evil because “knowing” good and evil is a judgment. You know what is good and you know what is bad God is not asking us to be judges. He’s asking us to have faith in God and let God be the judge, not man. God knows the full context of our actions, something we can never know without being God ourselves. Spoiler alert we’re not God When man becomes the judge that is the beginning of evil.
Is not about that! Is about freedom! God loves freedom! Do you not think that he ould have created automaton angels and humans? He could have! He chose not to, because of his incredible love, so we could be our own thing, our own selves. It is so simple to me. In other words, God is not a communist, in effect that is the proof that communism is satanic to the core.
God, knows the end from the beginning. He also has given us the free will to choose right and wrong, good and evil. To love is an act of that free will. To automate the appearance of love is not love without free will. That all said, He knew what would happen and the plan of redemption was already in the 'pipeline', so to speak.
There’s some truth to what you say but it’s more than that. God is raising up sons and daughters. God. Not some dude. So that means a lot and requires a special plan.
Huh? But why even do that? There is no reasoning here. Why did God put the tree in the garden? No one on this thread has been able to give me a logical answer. AND… WHY WHY WHY did he release Satan? It created the greatest disaster in all history. God did NOT need to do any of this so why did he? These “reasons” are merely excuses.
@@markread8502 You saying "God did not need to do any of this" as if you know better than a God. Or maybe you don't know what a God truly is. The answers to your questions will always be illogical for you, probably because you are not asking to get an answer, but rather you're just using the "questions" to express your hatred. And that blocks every answer. Lastly, who are we people to question a God? I hope and pray you find Jesus. It's a process but it's worth it. Start with humility. I care.
God makes all things cooperate for the good of those he has already chosen in the Beloved One. Romans 8 : 28 Ephesians 1 : 6 Proverbs 16 : 4 Ephesians 1 : 3 - 6
It is a profound theological misunderstanding to suggest that God maintained a literal tether on Lucifer, as the Scriptures do not support such a notion. Rather, the Bible reveals that God created Lucifer with the gift of free will, an attribute inherent to all sentient beings endowed by their Creator. Lucifer, whose name means "light bearer" or "morning star" (Isaiah 14:12), was originally a magnificent and exalted angel, adorned with wisdom and perfect in beauty (Ezekiel 28:12-15). As long as Lucifer remained faithful and loyal to God, his position reflected the harmony and glory of God's created order. This state of loyal obedience can be seen as a metaphorical tether, a bond of alignment with God's will. However, the pivotal moment of rupture came when Lucifer exercised his free will in rebellion against God. Desiring to exalt his throne above the stars of God and to be like the Most High (Isaiah 14:13-14), Lucifer's pride and ambition led to the emergence of iniquity within him. The Scriptures poignantly declare, "You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you" (Ezekiel 28:15, NIV). This rebellion marked the breaking of the divine relationship, severing the metaphorical tether of obedience and loyalty. The only true tether between God and His created beings is our adherence to His will. Obedience to God signifies a living, vibrant connection with the divine, as reflected in Jesus' words, "If you love me, keep my commands" (John 14:15, NIV). Conversely, disobedience signifies a breach in this relationship. The fall of Lucifer exemplifies this principle: "But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit" (Isaiah 14:15, NIV). Therefore, it is clear that the tether between God and His creatures is one of voluntary submission to His righteous will. Disobedience, as demonstrated by Lucifer's fall, severs this sacred bond, resulting in spiritual estrangement and the propagation of evil. As believers, we are reminded to remain steadfast in our obedience, thereby maintaining our divine connection and reflecting the glory of our Creator. Perhaps the difference between Lucifer and Hezekiah is that Hezekiah was already in a sinful state, whereas with Lucifer, sin had not yet entered creation.
Easy. Cain picking up a weapon to kill his brother, Joshua crossing the Jordan, David committing adultery with Bathsheba, what choice I make for breakfast. We have choices to make and that is an exercise of the free will that He has given us. @@O_tropos
@@O_tropos the concept of free will is all throughout the bible such as Adam and Eve choosing to disobey God. You have the free will to go and do whatever you like correct? Whether good or bad? Whether to believe or not? The concept of the Trinity is throughout the bible yet the word "Trinity" cannot be found. Whether or not "morning star", or "light bearer" was translated as "lucifer" from Latin, it still means that there is a great and beautiful fallen angel in our midst to kill, steal, and destroy. His mission is to destroy O_tropos because you are God's creation and wonderfully made in His image. Psalm 139:13-14.
@@GlennMarcel-k6j choosing has nothing to do with free will and besides the bible is clear that God is sovereign. You do have a will, but it is not free. All your fundamentals have not been your choice; being born, boy/girl, black/white, west/east, brain capacity and alot more. None of these things did you choose. It was already set for you and based on that you make choices. But it is not free. Adam and Eve disobeyed because God placed a tree there for them to disobey. Look what romans 9:11-13 says or romans11:32. God does it all. The trinity concept is nowhere in the bible give me one explicit trinity verse? Nowhere does it say that it is satan it explicitly talks about a king. I would suggest not to use unbiblical words like trinity or lucifer. It can only confuse you. The devil indeed wants to destroy God's work. But it is by God's design. Read Job2:10 Job says GOD gave Job his hardtime . So I have a question for you is it satan or God that troubled Job?
When David Silverman (athiest) asked James White (reformed baptist) this same question in their debate, it took White less than 10 seconds to give a clear, concise answer from scripture.
This is about the same with everything we have. We can use everything for good or evil. Internet, cars, the word of God, etc. The question is how you use it.
@@mizmera What about having the option of free will but without the punishment of being sent to hell for making a choice God tempts us to make? Why couldnt that be an option?
@@davegaskell7680 If God knows the beginning and end, if he knows you before you're born, when you're born, what you're born into (indoctrination into other religions), and after your death, then how can he punish you? There's no free will, there's no true randomness because God knows everything you're going to do before you do it. You were born into sin and the devil can be anywhere at any time like God, whispering into the minds of men and women, making them do things they shouldn't. So wouldn't it be fair to say it's cruel and vindictive that God is damning his own creation, already knowing the devil and angels would betray him, alongside with his creation? People are either born damned as a sick joke or blessed, without any recourse. If you're blessed, it came from God and he blesses you, but if you're damned then God abandons you, still loves you but you're not allowed into Heaven. What kind of loving God does this?
So anyone who has kids knows that so you are all bad GODS Tell us how since life exist how can the potential for good and evil can not exist You cant do what you want on any subject and the end result be the same
Any parent understands this to some extent. He knew he would change his mind he knew it would drive him to the point he would wish he hadn’t done it, but he did it anyway because he knows the end from the beginning. Why did Dr Strange only see one outcome that would he acceptable in all the possible variations of events, so that Ironman could snap his fingers and save everyone. It’s a similar concept. Dr Strange regretted that Ironman would do that, but it was the best possible scenario and it was Ironmans free will. Sorry to anyone who is opposed to these Hollywood idols they’re just stories but they have certain aspects that are allegorically useful.
This was really well done. I thoroughly appreciated it. I listened to it twice in fact. I’m subscribed and look forward to more. As an aside, I was nauseated by Augustine’s enthusiastic embrace of pagan thought and almost threw the City of God across the room. I don’t care how big his brain was, the man never left his pagan modes of thinking and left a massive stain on Christianity.
It wasn’t the tree itself that had knowledge of good & evil. It was the fact God said “do not eat it” that made it knowledge of good & evil. Because any command they would have broken from God would have given them knowledge of good & evil. That’s what evil is. Breaking God’s command. That’s what good is. Obeying God’s command. So until you break His command you have no knowledge of evil. This is why we are righteous by faith. If Adam & Eve had faith in God they wouldn’t have disobeyed Him & they would have no knowledge of evil & would not have died.
There is a Christian tradition that God would have given them the tree to eat at the appropriate time. They took it for themselves instead of waiting for it to come from above.
Yes, because He had a perfect plan. And that plan included that men would CHOOSE Him because He is not a dictator. He wants our love for Him to be free, not forced. Now, choices require alternatives. Obedience is a choice. He wanted us to choose to obey Him, to chose to love Him. He knew we wouldn’t and He knew that it would take all of what has taken to happen in history: man’s fall and restoration. It was and is all a perfect plan from the start.
If mankind is dead in sin, and not one among mankind is righteous, how is any man supposed to choose God? Not one man did... The Lord Jesus said that man was unwilling in Matthew 23:37... "“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing." So, then, clearly, no man can, has, or will choose God. Rather, this is why our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus saved us through the Cross.
@jeffc5474 Jeff, you can boldly declare that as your testimony to me. I am but a mere man. But, I am certain that will not be your testimony kneeling before your Lord, God, and Savior Jesus... It was the Lord Jesus who sovereignly changed your heart and mind so that you made whatever choice it is that you just declared that you made.
@@dsp62122 I am uncertain as to the precise nature of your argument; however, I unequivocally chose to align myself with God. "Choose you this day whom you will serve" - Joshua 24.
@AChristianfromNZ From my perspective, this is not about making any sort of "argument." This is not some sort of back and forth discussion trying to figure things out. I declared to you my unequivocal salvation witness testimony. I did so as if I were kneeling before our Lord Jesus being mindful of what our Lord Jesus said in Matthew 18:20... "For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”" You then kindly responded by declaring your unequivocal salvation witness testimony. I trust that you, too, were boldly stating to me your unequivocal salvation witness testimony as if it were in the sight of our Lord Jesus. I accept that it is your testimony. So, no arguments are being exchanged between us from my point of view. With that in mind, I will restate my salvation witness testimony to you as if I am kneeling before the Lord Jesus giving this testimony to Him... I unequivocally give all honor and glory to my Lord, God, and Savior Jesus for His choice to save me by sovereignly changing my heart, my mind, and my free will so that I believed in Him, repented, live by faith through Him, and strive to live a life pleasing to Him. So then, that is my unequivocal salvation witness testimony as if I were kneeling before our Lord Jesus. So, see, there is no argument between us even though each of us does give a diametrically opposed salvation witness testimony before our Lord Jesus. Fortunately, it is our Lord Jesus who will judge between us...
The fall was always part of the plan. Without it we could never experience God in his fullness. We would have never needed mercy, grace or salvation. In fact we would have never known God as a triune God. Neither Christ or the Holy Spirit would have ever been necessary. Without sin we wouldn't need a savior. It was always God's desire for us to see him in his completeness. Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
@meertin298 God really wants a genuine relationship with man. However, only the man that overcomes can have that with God. The tree is the opportunity for man to overcome. This is why we have the choice of free will
@garydodd441 Remember the tree of life in Genesis? You'll find it mentioned in in Rev 2: 7; and Rev 22:2, 14. If you look at Rev 2: 7, 11, 17, 25; and Rev 3: 5, 12, 21; you'll see mentioned the ones that overcome. In Rev 20:8 you'll see the last deception. In answer to your question directly, overcome the deception of the devil. It's not easy to articulate all of these here. Rev 22: 14; Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. I hope this helps a little
Sophie, I applaud you for your question! Regrettably though, after 20 minutes of piffle it still begs a logical answer. Even though you are young (from the sound of your voice) you are seeing the inconsistencies the biblical narrative faces. The fact that a human has to do the explaining on behalf of the god of the Bible, and polish his image whilst doing so, already speaks volumes. Stay sceptical and trust your gut.
as a christian, i agree. this guy could have just said he didn’t know the answer. there’s a pretty clear answer as to why God made the tree. He had to give Adam and Eve a choice, because without choice, there is no love, and that’s all He asked from the start. i think it’s a good thing that we are left to ask questions and be skeptical of the Bible. its natural to go through doubt of such an enormous thought. i think that when you’re skeptical and you ask questions is when you delve the deepest. you get to know someone by asking them questions. in the same way, you get to know God and His word by wondering and pondering. if every answer was given to us from the start, we wouldn’t try to go any further. that fact that the bible conveys and encourages thought speaks volumes! yes be skeptical, yes trust your gut, but also be open.
A very good qn. I think as the bible explained that; "God alone is the beginning and the ending" He knew already the beginning and the ending of mankind started from Adam up to the last day of judgement, would it be true that Adam and Eve had not sin, might be some generation would come through the deception as well as Adam and Eve. But from them; we learn God's Compression as the solution to mankind before the final decision to those who can't repent completely. For God had already Loved the world: jn.3:16-17.
So when the woman SAW THAT THE TREE WAS GOOD FOR FOOD, that it was PLEASANT TO THE EYES, and a tree DESIRABLE TO MAKE ONE WISE, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. (Genesis 3:6) For all that is in the world-the LUST OF THE FLESH, THE LUST OF THE EYES, and THE PRIDE OF LIFE-is not of the Father but is of the world. (1 John 2:16)
@@robertrashawn334 he explains it at the very end. God let Adam and Eve eat of the tree, and he let Satan fall, because he already had the plan to redeem creation before creation existed. That makes no sense for temporal beings such as us who live in a world of cause and effect where the cause must precede the effect, but to God who exists outside of time, the effect and the cause are intertwined and inseparable. The Fall didn't cause the Redemption and the Redemption didn't cause the Fall. They are one and the same. God's sovereign plan to create and redeem are one and the same. Nothing can exist apart from God. So in other words (*ahem... sorry, this is going to get a little weird): God created the creation as that which must fall and that which must be redeemed and which was Fallen and Redeemed from the beginning, is now, and ever shall be done according to his will. Make sense?
This 20 min video just gave me so much revelation it’s insane, I’ve asked God very similar questions but it all makes sense, he tests us to reveal the condition of our heart to show us how much we need him and it’s always I I I instead of us (you and God) it’s all about us being free agents and choosing and trusting the perfection of God
Reveal what? The condition of our heart is already known by God before were born. Like what the weather will be like on any specific location or time, God knows it already and similarly knows who's going to hell long before he creates them. This Information that was already known by the God, since he is omniscient and knows everything. means nothing can be revealed to him. Our choices have already been predetermined by gods foreknowledge.
@@brianbridges8124 yeah bro I said Gave ME revelation you just had a yap session for no reason I know everything you just said congrats for wasting your time
Free will and omniscience seem to be impossible to coexist. How can someone say on one hand that they know exactly what you will choose and exactly what you will do with your life, and then say, but make the right choice. Think about it... what choice is there if the decision is already known? If I said tomorrow you will have a big decision to make so you best make sure to make the right choice, but let's say I knew that you WILL make the wrong choice and I allowed you to continue and choose wrong even though prior to, I knew you would make the wrong choice, how could you possibly be blamed for the decision? You were predetermined to make the incorrect choice to begin with. IE it wasn't a choice. It was determined. IE no free will.
Because He knew of the creative nature we hold, compassion, beauty and inspiration. He knew the possibilities and the challenges. He knows and sees us as His children, that He loves.
@@jhenniceamorrow5936 O..M..G!!! Well I'm glad my Mum didn't love me like "god" supposedly does. "god' loved me like my father did - beat the tar out of me because he was in a bad mood - not because I'd done anything wrong!
It's all revealed throughout the Bible... God wants a bride for His son. We too get celestial bodies, and we are presented as royal heirs. In the meantime He (in Spirit) wants to cohabit in our earthly vessels... As explained in Ephesians 2.
Let me ask you a question, if you had the power to create the most wonderful creation, but you know that there would be some lapses but ultimately the creation would be redeemed into the perfect way you intended it to be. Would you say “no I won’t create it” because of the lapse that you know for a fact can’t ultimately hinder the beauty you would create. And secondly, we have to understand that our view of evil is wildly flawed and here is why, when we speak of evil we try to distant ourselves from it by saying so much killing, so much this and that, but what we fail to understand is that we are the ones who welcomed evil into this world and not God. God only gave us the opportunity to choose if we want to welcome evil or trust in His words and we chose the former and the funny thing about this is that even today we still chose the former. Humans kill humans, humans covet from humans, humans lie to each other, steal from each other etc. but we think that because we haven’t killed anyone then we can point at other sins and say why do God allow them not realizing that God is also allowing us as well because if He was to be just and judge every evil then we would all be in hell. So why does God allow so much pain? It is because God keeps giving us the same opportunity He gave to Adam and Eve, to either trust Him or chose our selfish ways. Either way He is still God but we are nothing without Him.
"but you know that there would be some lapses" = you are doing mistakes = you are not perfect = you are not God, which is perfect. "but ultimately the creation would be redeemed into the perfect way you intended it to be" - so rather than fix error at the beggining, you create all wars, suffering etc, which means you are not all good, because by your "most wonderful creation", you created lot of evil .
To me this question shows the disbelieve of a questioner in God. How anyone says "If He knew?" God created everything for reason and purpose. He is Almighty!!
@@windowman9406 It's your right to disagree with my opinion, but you didn't understand what I wanted to say. I didn't say the question shouldn't be asked. I said, it should be in the disbelieve in God's Almighty.
Before there was a sun or moon there was something Good being the Light of the World the Light of Life for three evenings (layhil/night) and three mornings (yom/day) Reference Rev 1.16 b , 1Jhn 5.7, Jhn 8.12, Jhn 1.1-5 , Mark 10.18, Mat 12.40, Daniel 2.22 The darkness is the enemy, the war was over when God said "let there be light" Peace
(Short version) we have to TRUST God no matter what. Even explaining it can be weakening your faith. God reqlly never says why He does anything. But he does tell us why He had to die. But I dont see any explanation of the why. Our finite minds make it impossible to understand the why. Again He does give a why in the finite realm, thats clear. And even then its still difficukt for us to grasp. Sometimes learning the whys will derail your faith. Just accept it and TRUST Him.
Because he doesn't actually know the answer or intent of that Tree. Or he has heard of the idea i will explain and rejects it as most do and will. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad (or evil) represented God's authority over mankind. It seems that it was quite a literal tree as they were told not to eat from it but did. We know it has nothing to do with mere theft, simply eating from a tree. The tree had a title. We dont, generally, give names or titles to trees. So, it represented something. We also know what God's punishments for mere theft were when He gave His laws to the Israelites (not death) Satan, using the serpent, lied to Eve who also got Adam to eat. Obviously, Satan was the first one to rebel against God's authority. God never stated that faith would not be tested, perhaps the Tree was put there as a test to their loyalty and faith in Him that they would let Him decide instead.
@@paulg1759 but GOD knew everything. He had so much wisdom, but created something that tormented humanity. We were all punished for something we didn't exist around. Imagine creating something that could punish your kids for life, and their kids (your grandkids). But you created in knowing the damage it could do.
@@hughjackson9279 That isn't the case at all. Satan, with the prophecy stated, will be punished in the future. That is in Gen 3:15. Adam and Eve were likewise punished. We are not being punished. It is merely the effects of their willingly sinning that we have to endure. The bible even states that God only punishes the sinners themselves, not decendants. Satan, Eve, and Adam all had some sort of "connection" to God. A spiritual one, I suppose. They all had some sort of knowledge of what God would disprove of, or simply what actions would be a sin. We do not generally immediately think of that and instead have a tendancy to sin first. Even if we know it is wrong later. God never stated that He would not test one's faith. He did so with Abraham. While the bible doesnt seem to say why exactly, it is likely that Abraham was wavering. Not knowing himself whether he had enough faith in God to risk his son. God has shown Himself tonbe able to read others' hearts. In both Balaam's case and Jonah's, they seem to have listened to the advice and corrected themselves. In Cain's case, he did not listen to the warning. In effect, we are being warned in the bible of what will happen in the future. If God merely wanted to punish, He would not warn.
I don't know of course because I wasn't there, but I think the laughing was because it really was a good question, a tough question and probably a more advanced question than anyone imagined a child asking. I don't think it's a mean laugh, I think it's more of a "wow nobody expected that!" Kind of laugh. I'm sure her parents were proud and beaming when they heard it.😂
Yup but at the same time it's not His fault ...its ours . He created us to live eternally with Him but He wanted us to make our own decisions cause He felt it's not fair or wasn't right to make us like robots. We were made in His image which means same how God has thoughts , making decisions, personality etc ...He wanted the same with us as with even the angels. Lucifer made the decision to do what he did just like we have the choice to follow or believe God and live right by Him. Yes God knew Lucifer would fall and cause the same for man. God planned everything for the fall as well by sending His son. So either you avoid hell by following Jesus or enter hell with Satan since you choose to follow him. If you make the choice to follow Satan then that's on you. And that doesn't mean being a devil worshipper but living your life on your own which you lead to sin since you don't have God's guidance. Look at it like this .. with God seeing Satan having the highest position being who he was ( with God letting him be his own man ).. imagine God letting others(sinners) in heaven causing havoc up there making the choices Lucifer did . Just know Hell was meant only for Lucifer and his angels not us. But if we choose the things that are of Satan then we will end up where he is going . The fact you're still alive is Him giving you time and opportunity to do what's right so you won't enter that place. The ton of people who entered into hell made their choice. You still have time my friend.
I have an interesting answer. Since God is all knowing he knew that this reality was the best reality where he saves the most people... So whatever is allowed by God, it has a GOOD reason
That’s not a bad theory. I think at the end of the day, I would imagine that if someone made up the story, it’s a pretty stupid one to make up if your goal is for people to believe it. It wouldn’t be that hard to come up with a better origin story with that goal.
He doesn't know the answer, and he didn't answer the question correctly, but just blabbered. If he was honest, he would have just said, "I don't know," and stopped.
Those Christians that are laughing probably couldn't answer the question show some respect you want children to come to church show some respect and this is coming from a Christian
This pastor spoke for about 21 min and I waited patiently to answer the young girl’s questions. He spoke about all sorts of things Daniel 7, Hezekiah, 2 Thessalonians, Deuteronomy, Isiah 14, Colossians 1, Jude, Ezekial, Peter and Jesus, tomb of Nefertiti, photographer, Kings of Tyre, the Phoenicians, Personality driven ministry, Philip the Ethiopian, Calvin, Luther, Augustine - wow talk about circumventions. Impressive how he can memorize verses. But, quite a trip without answering the question. Then he threw in some big words Parabolic - Infra-lapsarianism view, supra-lapsarianism - Sub - lapsarianism - Nice, but Sofia still waits for an answer. And at 17:00 John says “let me not get off topic.” Lol. To Sofia’s question he eventually says “The bible doesn’t say why.” Then in 18:11 he says “it is very possible that….” That’s John’s opinion. In other words, John is interpreting in the absence of an answer. But eventually he does try to answer. Let me write the question again Young Sofia: Why did God create the tree of life and evil if he knew Adam and Eve would eat from it? John: it was because he had a plan of redemption and it wasn’t, his second plan it was his original plan because God doesn’t change and he does not discover, he does not add, he doesn’t make mid flight adjustment. I wonder if Sofia feels her question was answered? So, let me get this straight John, God put the tree of life to set-up Adam and Eve so he (God) can set up Redemption? So, God, set up the fall of man then, per John? John says ‘God knows who is going to be saved before anything was created (determinism). He (God) knows everything.” So, John pretty much implicates God in the downfall of man. This all makes sense now.
@@nbt3663- I actually suspect those people are laughing because (unlike that young lady & St Augustine) they’ve never pondered the actual Qs. God says in the Bible we are to approach life (and heaven) with a similar mindset as that of children (why?) because of the sheer purity of their young hearts & minds, of which, the sinful carnal world (aka satan & his minions) are constantly working to lead astray & corrupt.
@Gqrk he was asked by a young girl, why God allowed evil....he then proceeds to talk about Pharaoh's mom, his dad was an artist, ect...his rambling is completely unnecessary and a waste of precious time as well as irrelevant.
I’ve often wondered if we will get to eat of the fruits of the tree of knowledge when we are in heaven with Jesus Christ. Once a season or year.....whenever.....We all gather to get a piece of the harvest and temporarily get a more heavenly experience while already there.
A better question ~ 'Why did God create Evil in the first place?' "I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create EVIL I, the Lord, do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7 KJV)
St Paul summed it all up about Gods plan of Redemption and Resurrection to be with Him in heaven in our own Free will. He said and I qoute Vain is our Faith if there’s no resurrection of the dead k!
What if it wasnt a literal tree but was symbolic for the knowledge of good and evil (the law)? God has this same knowledge so its nothing evil. The serpent obvious has it because he knows what it can do. It was not good for man to have. The only think I can think of is moral law. Adam and Eve were fine being "naked" and close to God until guilt and shame entered the picture.
The allegorical 'Apple' in the allegorical Garden represents Thought/Ego/Duality! Life/death, good/evil, time, mortality... all duality, is all brought to us in thought!
An excellent question. But the answer, or rather the pretense in answering was a long winding excusion that benefited no one. A proper answer would inevitably require understanding these below: ■1. For what purpose did God plant the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? ■2. If the fruit-bearing tree was integral to God’s creation, why prohibit Adam and Eve to eat of it? ■3. Is God able to see future events? If one, who is true disciple of the Lord Jesus, would pray for the Holy Spirit to come, to open one's mind to understand the Holy Scriptures (Luke 24:35), one will find answer not only to this mystery but to even the deepest secrets of the Kingdom of God (Mt 13:11). Meanwhile, it is good and only proper for one who appoints himself teacher, not to teach or answer a question when one has not understanding.
Got to speak to those LDS missionaries about how we lives with him premortally, that our spirits were made from eternal substance - raw intelligence; it’s contrary to concepts like creation ex nihilo, and some push back thinking it diminishes God’s power. But it answers why evil exists - he values agency as it is essential that it is our own choices that will bring us to God or seek our own selfish ways. It preserves that God is all-knowing and all powerful - but without taking away our agency like Calvanist predestination
It was all about free WILL. Inspite of man’s free will and the existence of evil man would choose to love God willingly bc of the goodness of God. The two trees in the garden both had the power to give eternal life. One as a fallen man and the other was as a holy man. Christ I believe was the second tree but he wasn’t ready to give eternal life until his blood was shed to offer a newness of life.
I think we humans may not receive the answer to the question as it may pertain to us, but angels watch humans and learn things about God by how he interacts with us feeble frail humans. So the purpose of the tree ((I think) was ultimately so that angels could learn more about God. He shows that even lesser beings than angels can be saved, that right there shows God's grace. And angels continue to watch us and learn about God. In the end we will be raised higher than the angels and judge them.
Since God exists outside of time, you kind of have to approach the question differently. The fall was always calculated into the equation but God desired a higher good only accessible via the tree being made and us falling. He was willing to forbear sin that He might save and redeem a people who know His mercy and suffer with Him (in Christ, God cannot suffer in His divine nature) to humbly love, have mercy, and forbearance and hatred of sin, like Him, and ultimately share in the Beatific Vision, which is the highest fathomable good for a creature.
Now I have MORE questions. Why did God create Lucifer? God knew what was in his heart and knew he would fall, so why create such a being who would tempt humanity to also fall? Please, Pastor, please help me understand.
To show us that only God is perfect and that imperfection is also inherent in celestial beings, not just in us humans. Hence why we're instructed to be careful listening to angels (celestial beings)...
@@rtceables6524we are above the Angels, so we can demand they show who they are aligned with . We command the evil to leave , request the help of good Angels .
I've had these sort of questions too and I guess I sort of look at things like a movie in the sense that you might not understand why something happened or why something is happening perhaps we're not even meant to or it's not even necessary in the long run even if that might seem like a cop out but at the end after a few twists in the plot when it's all wrapped up neatly you'll understand everything in retrospect.
The plan is based on the foundational words and action " experiment of choice" . "Free Will" the painting of life and we're the paint of colours. For Gods image He creates is a board game back to the start, which is, unwaving trust through obedience, faith and love. Evil played, evil failed, re-fresh of light and salvation becomes new.
The Bible does not say that God knew who would be saved from eternity past, and if it does, I'd like to know which verse. We were all made in His image, for His glory, and for His good pleasure. We are His workmanship. If we rebel, it is our choice and not predetermined by God. God has the ability to know everything, but His foreknowledge does not mean fore-causal.
The answer is pretty simple, doesn't need a long answer. Also it's written in the scripture. Isaiah 46:10. I suggest that if you wanna dig deeper into that, you may wanna learn the hebrew linguistics and then get back to genesis 1:1. Because you will find that the answer was both simple, and complex.
What a great question by the little one. Albeit I like this teacher, he blew it on this one. GOD ADDRESSED this subject more profoundly and succinctly than any of the other questions. Sin was sent and allowed in to unfold GODS' ULTIMATE PLAN AND HIS INTRODUCTION OF HIS TRINITY. GOD - THE FATHER (POWER, HOLINESS, INTERCESSOR, GAL 5:22-24 AND JUDGE). GOD - THE SON (REDEEMER, RECONNECTION AND RESTORATION TO GOD AND INTERCESSOR. GOD - THE HOLY SPIRIT (HELPER, GUIDE, PROTECTOR, SUSTAINER, POWER OF GOD, INTERCESSOR) That Tree and it's Fruit was necessary for HIS BRILLIANT AND POWERFUL PLAN TO INTRODUCE HIS TOTAL SELF to us. No tree and fruit....No direct need for THE LORD JESUS CHRIST SACRIFICES. Colossians 1:16-17 16 For by HIM WERE ALL things CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created BY HIM, AND FOR HIM: 17 And HE IS BEFORE ALL things, AND BY HIM ALL things consist. Matthew 4:1 Then was THE LORD JESUS LED UP OF THE SPIRIT into the wilderness (to be tempted) of the devil. Psalms 119:90-91 90 THY FAITHFULNESS IS UNTO ALL generations: THOU HAST ESTABLISHED the earth, AND it abideth. 91 They continue this day according to THINE ORDINANCES: for ALL ARE THY servants. Psalms 17:13 Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is THY sword: Isaiah 45:7 I FORM the light, AND I CREATE darkness: I MAKE peace, AND I CREATE evil: I THE LORD DO ALL these things. John 17:1 THESE WORDS SPAKE JESUS, AND LIFTED UP HIS EYES TO HEAVEN, AND SAID, FATHER, THE HOUR IS COME; GLORIFY THY SON, THAT THY SON ALSO MAY GLORIFY THEE: John 17:2 As THOU HAST GIVEN HIM POWER OVER ALL flesh, THAT HE SHOULD GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO AS MANY AS THOU HAST GIVEN HIM. John 17:9 I PRAY FOR them: I PRAY NOT for the world, BUT FOR them which THOU HAST GIVEN me; for they ARE THINE. John 17:12 While I WAS WITH them in the world, I KEPT them IN THY NAME: those that THOU GAVEST ME I HAVE KEPT, AND NONE of them is lost, BUT the son of perdition; THAT THE SCRIPTURE MIGHT BE FULFILLED. 2 Samuel 24:1 And again THE ANGER OF THE LORD WAS KINDLED AGAINST Israel, AND HE MOVED David AGAINST them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. Acts 4:27 For of a truth against THY HOLY CHILD JESUS, WHOM THOU HAST ANOINTED, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, Acts 4:28 For to do whatsoever THY HAND AND THY COUNSEL DETERMINED BEFORE TO BE DONE. Matthew 10:34 Think not that I AM COME to send peace on earth: I CAME NOT to send peace, BUT A SWORD. Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto HIM, Why speakest THOU unto them in parables? Matthew 13:11 HE ANSWERED AND SAID unto them, Because IT IS GIVEN UNTO you TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE Kingdom Of Heaven, but to them it is NOT 🚫 given. John 6:70 THE LORD JESUS ANSWERED them, Have not I CHOSEN you twelve, AND one of you IS a devil? Romans 9:15 For HE SAITH TO Moses, I WILL HAVE MERCY ON whom I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON whom I WILL HAVE COMPASSION. Romans 9:16 So then IT IS NOT of him that willeth, NOR OF him that runneth, BUT OF GOD THAT SHEWETH MERCY. Romans 9:17 For THE SCRIPTURE SAITH UNTO Pharaoh, Even for THIS SAME PURPOSE HAVE I RAISED thee up, that I MIGHT SHEW MY POWER IN thee, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE DECLARED THROUGHOUT ALL the 🌎. Romans 9:18 Therefore HATH HE MERCY ON whom HE WILL HAVE MERCY, AND WHOM HE WILL HE HARDENETH. Obviously I could keep going and going. This is ALL A Part Of HIS DIVINE PLAN. Answer: GOD INTENTIONALLY PLACED The Tree And It's Fruit there to bring about THE TRINITY AND All Things For HIS PURPOSE. HIS SCRIPTURE IS Crystal Clear. This is just a smidgen of what HE HAS PROFOUNDLY AND SUCCINCTLY COMMUNICATED IN HIS SCRIPTURES.
Respect someone who says "I don't know or am unsure." How about to test the human spirits ability to obey and submit to his will and exercise free will.
The Good news is, as brother in heaven Chuck Missler stated, God cannot learn nor lie, and knows all and we can rest in the fact that all of these events are His will and for our good and His glory. I'm just ever thankful that I'm saying this from the born again side of the fence and thank Jesus for holding onto me through it all.
Amen well said
There is no way a gentile can begin to comprehend the torah message . It is impossible to appropriate it from the jews for many reasons. Let me point out that the ' nt ' lacks a verse declaring god spoke to anyone directly 2000 years ago . Why not ? Now you pretend to understand a book you say is fulfilled ?
Again, why won't god speak to you. There is abundant made up verses claiming to be in "ot" and are not. Why didn't your scribes ever write " and god spoke to jesus or mark or Paul and said speak to Christians and say the following ?
Spit the unclean food out of your mouth when you try to read genesis - deut. A jew eating pork will not understand either
absolutely beautiful response.
God doesn’t mind if we have questions about anything. Whatever we seek has to come from right motives, to desire to increase our knowledge of Him and our desire to become more like Him. We just have to understand that this side of Heaven we will not know all we would like to know. The day is coming however when we will know as we are known. I take comfort in that.
Of course god does not mind if you have questions he only exists in your head the same place the questions come from.
@@garyowens8201 The negative apocalyptic message of Christianity in a nutshell
@@truthgiver8286you came here to comment nonesense with no reason? Can you prove he doesn’t exist? That is your belief just like we believe he does. Nobody here is trying to win you over you do not have to believe, personally I couldn’t care any less. Just keep your ignorance to yourself.
@@KobaltBlue680 That is just it if you kept your ignorance to yourself it would save me a lot of time and effort
@@truthgiver8286 were you forced to respond to the original commenter? I’m just doing to you what you did to them, respond. If you don’t like it then don’t do it and complain.
Thorough is not boring, especially when it's about God and his living word of our salvation. I appreciate the way you teach. Praying for you and Bonnie always. Glory to the LORD our GOD in Christ Jesus ❤
Redemption was at work even before God created everything. Ephesians 1:4 , 2 Timothy 1:9
So God put the tree in the garden so that he could make this whole redemption thing up? Circular reasoning.
Free will. Without choice, free will and perfect love doesn’t exist
EXACTLY!
It's not that simple, unless you're a Pelagian (heretic). If you believe in individual election, you don't believe in free will as the basis of the relationship. Even if you don't, you still believe that free will is hugely damaged, and still not the basis of man and God's relationship.
I guess that's just how it is, we are only a creation. If we are humble enough and also knowing there is something good to come, then why not.... Even elon musk doesn't agree to giving total free will to ai robots of the future.
What do you mean there is no choice.
You can choose not to eat from the tree
Yes!! Why couldn't the speaker have kept it this simple?? If I'm not mistaken it sounded like a child's voice asking the question. .... Jesus said, "unless you become like little children you cannot enter the kingdom of God."
When God created Adam and Eve, he created them because he wanted a relationship with them. He created them in his image and in his likeness. He wanted them to love him and choose him above all else, the way that he loves us. And so he put them in a position to make a choice. Scripture says choose you this day whom you will serve as for me. In my house, we will serve the Lord. They didn't they chose self. And they did die spiritually. That's why God had to send Yeshua, Jesus to die as payment for our sin. When we are born again we are redeemed. We've been bought with a price the blood of the lamb. We are made to be restored. We are born again into newness of life. And we are restored to the life that Adam and eve had before the fall. Back to the original image and likeness of God. And we are saved by faith. And we are supposed to pursue the Lord. Not the world.
If mankind is dead in sin, and not one among mankind is righteous, how is any man supposed to choose God?
Not one man did...
The Lord Jesus said that man was unwilling in Matthew 23:37...
"“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing."
So, then, clearly, no man can, has, or will choose God.
Rather, this is why our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus saved us through the Cross.
@dsp62122 Then why does scripture say choose you this day? Whom you will serve as for me in my house. We will serve the Lord.
@eagle3351
As to mankind choosing his eternal destiny...
The Lord Jesus commanded mankind to choose life...
Deuteronomy 30:19-20...
"This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob."
But, mankind chose death.
The Lord Jesus knew mankind would choose death, as of course He would have known all along.
So, all along, the Lord Jesus predestined that His future eternal sons and daughters would murder Him in the most torturous and ignominious way on a cross.
The Lord Jesus died on the Cross in order to create sons and daughters who were made in His image.
In order to be made in His image that meant His future eternal sons and daughters would have to come to the knowledge of good and evil molded together with free will.
Therefore, Adam and Eve had to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
So then, it was through the Cross that Jesus justified all the sins that followed Adam.
It was through the Cross that Jesus made known to all of Creation that He forgave all of mankind's sins committed following Adam.
By His resurrection the Lord Jesus made known that His future eternal sons and daughters were predestined for eternal life.
As Paul's revelation about the Lord Jesus's eternal Gospel revealed through 1 Corinthians 15:51-57...
"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."
So then, the Gospel declares that the Lord's eternal sons and daughters will freely declare that Jesus is Lord even though when we were commanded to choose life we all chose death...
Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus predestined it all according to His eternal plan for mankind, that is, His future eternal sons and daughters.
Truly then, all honor and glory belong to our Lord Jesus, who is God over all to be forever praised.
So take heart...
This is the Gospel upon which we take our stand in Christ Jesus.
@@dsp62122When it was the plan all along there is no need for all the bloodshed in the old testament.
@oxybenzol9254
I am not sure what your point was in this reply.
Could you expound...?
This video covers far more than the 20 minutes it takes to watch it.
He had to. Without it, there would have been no free will.
What a great teacher. We are blessed to have him.
He didn't answer anything 🤣
@@sachalg5720he literally said the Bible doesn’t say it .. did you skip over the beginning of the video or you went straight to the comments?
@@austinrodriguez8122 think about it, is my comment true or Not??
its false. he did answer it, and if you look closely we ate of the fruit! we chose it. we ate from it! We are not robots, we have choices, free will. God creates, he puts a loving boundary and we choose against it through selfish desires, lies and pride. Yet, even when we chose our destiny he dies to save us through Jesus. Yes, he created it all but we have a choice. If your breathing you still have time to repent. not because you are a bad person but your condition of sin. Through love you can be reborn, not a slave to what you once were.
We must love God above everything, thats what God expect , require from us.
Why does a powerful being require from us?
God plotted all of these things.
God made a world full of emotions and wonders filled with different stories.
But all of these things are for Him. He made everything so that everything shall glorify His Name.
That's a contradiction , if he is self suficient . A self suficient being needs nothing . He has no need of something or someone but himself. He has no need of something or someone to glorify him .
@@markusmafra6910 then why God created the world and the livings. You must read Genesis brother.
Finally an honest answer. God plotted these things.
Very Genuine question! And the best way to get Our Father to answer our question! “ Matthew u:6-7. Is to ask him personally! I have also questioned some Promises that were given us by these Scriptures! And John 15:5, Psalm 1-6. To be a tree of Spiritual growth! And baring fruit!
Thanks for tackling (and publishing) such a hard question, head on
So why did god put the tree in the garden? He avoided the answer.
"God has committed all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all ... From him and through him and to him are all things." (Romans 11:32,36a)
Romans 8:19-21 is similar.
The only answer🎉
God is outside our time domain and sees the beginning and the end simultaneously.
@CrowdJusticeUSReal enough to compel your reply.
@CrowdJusticeUS name 5 thing without a creator and your proof and I will debunk every single one of them and infact you will only add things with a creator to my odds.
So what's the point of the stuff in the middle?
@@404Limit Before we have a go at your challenge, do you think that a cloud has a creator and, if so, what do you say the creator is and why? I'm just wondering whether or not your challenge is an honest one.
@@davegaskell7680 So far the score is 3-0 and you gave me the two points for things with a creator and made me write this text which is the proof of another thing with a creator and the text proves it as I am the creator, your text as a thing with a creator, and yes clouds have a creators. Water vapor and condensation is the creator of clouds a simple google search will tell you that, and you may want to say those are formed but go look up what word is used in the definition of formed (CREATE). If something "creates" something it is a CREATOR.
So 3-0, Go on I heard them all, even God has a creator, men, 4 - 0.
Funny thing is even if you try to say energy or virtual particles, you will be debunked and the fact that you untruthful atheist have to reach that far is quite sad. What type of energy? Kinetic created by motion, Thermal created by heat. As for virtual particles, they don't know what creates them but the believe it is the fields of other particles.
For the things you don't know what creates them, does not mean they do not have a creator.
Astrophysicist will even teach you the universe was created, another thing with a creator.
Look I also do not believe in God or Gods, I to am atheist, but I am truthful one and I do not deny everything I observe has a creator. The creator creation axiom out numbers the axiom of numbers because all numbers are created, if you are to believe 1 = 1 you must believe this reality has a creator, otherwise the numbers are meaningless to you.
The why question doesn't matter now if we believe in God based on our personal experiences. We should do well to live a holy life and appreciate life irrespective. God is always good and won't be biase in his judgement.
Thank you for that. Something that is never mentions is that God is fair and just and super democratic. We all inherited among other attributes; free will to choose, make a decision. Even the angels.
We are born into sin, already guilty, and are heavily influenced by constant evil in the world around us. If we start off 'good', life breaks us down sooner or later. We can choose right, but then we're still here left with the wolves. I think it was Paul who said that the things he wills to do, he doesn't do, and vice-versa? The thing is that the more you do the things you wish not to do, the more desensitized you become, until they are habitual, and you start to not care so much because it seems more normal and understandable to you. So having chosen good, God lets Satan abuse us as he did with Job, until we eventually choose evil, as did Job.
What was the point in giving us 'free will' at the cost of a pure world and eternal life, if our free will is influenced and reshaped? God gave us the ability to choose, at our own risk, so that we could love him instead of being programmed to act like we loved him. When people do choose to love God, however, he leaves us in silence and suffering, with Satan 'prowling around like a roaring lion, looking for those he can devour', until we blacken from corruption. The says "I never knew you." and casts us into hell fire.
Am I being unfair or dishonest?
Did Satan and the angels have free will? If they did, and rebelled, and God saw their fallen state. Why would he do it again with far lesser beings, and allow Satan to whisper in our ears? If the angels didn't have free will, then God himself determined that they should do what they did, already having planned that they would be destroyed along with the majority of all humans who ever lived, in eternal fire.
Am I mistaken?
We may think that 'democracy' is 'good', but in God's kingdom, those who come to Him are transferred from the domain of darkness to the kingdom of His beloved Son (Col 1:13). We live in a Theocracy.
Amen, and that's the answer to the question 🙏🏿
@@yvonnearpino9550amen. Jesus paid for us. We are slaves and in service but He raises us to status of sons, brothers, priests, kings, friends. I will always serve him gladly. Always.
@@somerandom7672if you were able to create whatever you wanted, what would you create and why?
Brilliant! Loved this! Cant believe I was so captivated throughout the whole 20 minutes. Usually I struggle to sit through sermons for more than 20 mins at a time. Im going to ser if JB has studies on Revelation now. I love this style of teaching and teaches free will too yippee 3:22 ❤ 3:28 🎉🎉e🎉🎉🎉🎉
Simple: it is just an expression of free will. The fruit simply represents the choice to disobey, which is in fact, a gift from god. He gave, and gives us that choice. That’s how much he loves us. And he knows we will make that choice. And that’s why Jesus was always plan A.
Would you put the poison in the Child’s play room if you instructed them not to eat it? Is giving them the free choice to obey you more loving than making sure they don’t eat poison?
Would you then place talking toys in the play room that try and convince them to eat it? Would that be loving?
Would you be at all responsible for their death when they inevitably eat it because you knew they would all along?
I personally value my child’s physical and spiritual life more than my need to be obeyed or their free will choice to run into the freeway.
@@Tinesthia Your point of view assumes that the “fruit of the tree” is literally an object. Actually I don’t think it is. Instead I believe it’s simply a symbol for disobedience. And guess what: even you, though you may be loving and well intentioned, place disobedience in the playpen with the child. For so long as their are constraints, there is disobedience. (Go check how the kids who were raised without constraints turned out. Obviously, constraints are a form of love).
So because we have free will. Because you love your child. There will always be the option to disobey. (The fruit of the tree)
The amazing thing about God is that he both loves us enough to place the option of free will (the choice to disobey) in the garden with us AS WELL AS place the solution (the antidote to our inevitable choice) right next to it: Jesus.
God does not “NEED” to be obeyed. He knew he wouldn’t be obeyed of course. But to create humans without free will would not be an expression of his love. It would very much oppose what is written about love in Corinthians 13.
God is not responsible for our death either, just because he gave us free will. Our spirits are eternal, and he gave us the solution to our own mistakes (Jesus).
So it’s a perfect plan. We are loved infinitely and without any strings - and we are given a savior because of what the lack of strings will lead us to.
All of this spits in the face of Satan who tries at all times to corrupt us and mislead us. And so we live out our destiny.
God to Satan:
“And I will put enmity (open hostility) Between you and the woman, And between your seed (offspring) and her Seed; He shall [fatally] bruise your head, And you shall [only] bruise His heel.”
Plan A after this fall was the flood. God was very mad with His creation in the OT. But then He saw that the problem lies in human nature. Everyone is born evil after the Fall and is inclined to sin which is called concupiscence. To rescue, redeem and restore humanity they needed a Savior from their own fall which was Plan B. The protoevangelium of this was in Genesis when God said “the seed of the women” would crush the “seed of the serpent.” And this Baptism which is the new flood purifies our sinful nature and brings us to life in Jesus (the seed of the woman).
@@FractalityX If God knows the beginning and end, if he knows you before you're born, when you're born, what you're born into (indoctrination into other religions), and after your death, then how can he punish you? There's no free will, there's no true randomness because God knows everything you're going to do before you do it.
You were born into sin and the devil can be anywhere at any time like God, whispering into the minds of men and women, making them do things they shouldn't. So wouldn't it be fair to say it's cruel and vindictive that God is damning his own creation, already knowing the devil and angels would betray him, alongside with his creation? People are either born damned as a sick joke or blessed, without any recourse. If you're blessed, it came from God and he blesses you, but if you're damned then God abandons you, still loves you but you're not allowed into Heaven. What kind of loving God does this?
@@omgwtfpwnd Just because God knows the outcome doesn’t mean the outcome is not determined by us. So if my individual outcome is damnation because of my own choices, it’s my own fault. The alternative is that God either never creates me, or controls my existence (no free will). I prefer to have the choice - and I have chosen him.
I think GOD allowed it because the LORD Jesus Christ is the lamb of GOD slain from the foundation of the world, and to have us exalt the SON in the FATHER is a part of his eternal salvation and perfect plan. He laid the foundation, there is definitely a plan, and HALLELUYAH it's given to us in the REVELATION of Jesus Christ. Just a deep thought. He has always wanted us to choose him willingly, and HE knows all things amen ❤
God knows everything 🙏 and in order for Him to honor His gift of Free Will, He needed to provide an item that would accomplish His divine plan. God bless you all ❤
@jaymeebarrington2509
Best explanation so far...
Thank You...
Wish "He," could of just started it of with "The New Millennium, and skipped the vast majority of creation having to way the consequences of sin with horrible pain and sufferings throughout all the ages past... I know we aren't to question God and I try not to... However to me, it would have been better if He would have never created it in the first place. 🫤 Before I was ever born I had no worries, no guilt, never sined, never felt pain, never experienced being betrayed by anyone or vise versa ect... ect... ect...
Blessings: James... 🕊
P.S. - Yes I struggle with bitterness towards God.
Trying however to over come... Amen... 🙏
@jamesharris9352 Please, my brother, don't be angry with God. Believe me when I say Jesus knows your pain and loves you more than you could ever imagine. I fully understand because I, too, endure heartache, but knowing God's love makes me love Him even more because He has never left my side nor yours.The enemy hates God so much that He wants to destroy us, but His Mercy and Grace said no. Trust Jesus, surrender and repent. We are going Home any minute now, and everything you experienced prior to coming to this painful world will be experienced again. Thank you for your honesty. You are a blessed individual with a loving ❤️ heart. I will keep you in prayer 🙏 ♥️ God bless you, my brother in Christ.
Basically, this is his answer:
(1) I'm not sure
(2) Not directly stated in the Scriptures
He should've just answered plainly then gave an opinion that may possibly be the answer. He doesn't have to use big words and long unnecessary statements for this. We don't have to know everything.
We are not meant to know everything - (its not wrong to be curious depending on "your" motivation).... but thats what faith in God and Jesus is all about...Love =Trust...And some things are purely Gods (his secrets)... Dr. Barnett is right on target with this teaching. ❤✝
ASK YOUR GREAT AND WISE/IGNORANT DEMON PASTOR WHY HE CHOOSES TO IGNORE GOD AND THESE VERSES?*
JEREMIAH 10:21 - *For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.* (Jer 22:22, 23:1)
JEREMIAH 22:22 - The wind shall eat up all thy pastors, and thy lovers shall go into captivity: surely then shalt thou be ashamed and confounded for all thy wickedness.
JEREMIAH 23:1 - *Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.* (Eze 34:10, Mal 3:8)
EZEKIEL 34:10 - Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and *cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more;* for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
HOSEA 4:6 - *My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou has forgotten the law of thy GOD, I will also forget thy children.* (Zech 4:6)
HOSEA 6:6 - *For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of GOD more than burnt offerings.*
Agreed! God has revealed to us precisely what we need to know. It's okay to ponder some things are wonder the mysteries as long as we don't obsess over these things or create division on them. What's been provided in the scriptures is sufficient for our understanding of things.
@@TennesseeWhiskii That's the classic "cop out" response - the Lord works in "mysterious" ways, and what has been provided in scriptures is "sufficient"
A safe, cop out, typical response to hard and difficult often asked questions that beg to be answered and never are
Cop out? Explain to me how that's a cop out? It's an answer that you refuse to accept. Do you think our Governments shares with us everything? God isn't obligated to share everything with us. He doesn't answer to us,we answer to him. The people that don't believe always seem to go out of their way to join these discussions. If you don't believe and absolutely know it to be untrue then why bother?@@Sealust50
8:38 What a great thought! God/Jesus is the only source of goodness. Seek Him, go to Him, Praise Him and you will be good. All glory to The Most High - YHWH, God of Abraham, Isaac and Jackob
I was just thinking this question in my mind and this popped up in my feed, God is amazing!
A thought attract an other similar thought 😅
@@simonameier7779
What
God gave us free will he WANTS US TO CHOOSE HIM and to come by that decision on our own. If there had been no evil, no temptation how would he KNOW that we chose him or just didn’t know any other choice even with the angels. Angels have free will too . God had to allow a time of choosing for man otherwise we would have just been puppets..
I think there’s a simpler solution: Adam and Eve were forbidden from eating from the tree of good and evil because “knowing” good and evil is a judgment. You know what is good and you know what is bad God is not asking us to be judges. He’s asking us to have faith in God and let God be the judge, not man. God knows the full context of our actions, something we can never know without being God ourselves. Spoiler alert we’re not God When man becomes the judge that is the beginning of evil.
Is not about that! Is about freedom! God loves freedom! Do you not think that he ould have created automaton angels and humans? He could have! He chose not to, because of his incredible love, so we could be our own thing, our own selves. It is so simple to me. In other words, God is not a communist, in effect that is the proof that communism is satanic to the core.
Very interesting. My low gigabyte brain never thought about that.
God, knows the end from the beginning. He also has given us the free will to choose right and wrong, good and evil.
To love is an act of that free will. To automate the appearance of love is not love without free will.
That all said, He knew what would happen and the plan of redemption was already in the 'pipeline', so to speak.
The fall of man is not the only aspect of this story. The point of this was to draw Satan out and expose him to us so we could know Satan and our sin
There’s some truth to what you say but it’s more than that. God is raising up sons and daughters. God. Not some dude. So that means a lot and requires a special plan.
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Huh? But why even do that? There is no reasoning here. Why did God put the tree in the garden? No one on this thread has been able to give me a logical answer. AND… WHY WHY WHY did he release Satan? It created the greatest disaster in all history. God did NOT need to do any of this so why did he? These “reasons” are merely excuses.
So that we can “know satan and our sin” but Satan caused us to sin. Why did we need to know it?
@@markread8502
You saying "God did not need to do any of this" as if you know better than a God. Or maybe you don't know what a God truly is.
The answers to your questions will always be illogical for you, probably because you are not asking to get an answer, but rather you're just using the "questions" to express your hatred. And that blocks every answer.
Lastly, who are we people to question a God?
I hope and pray you find Jesus.
It's a process but it's worth it.
Start with humility.
I care.
God makes all things cooperate for the good of those he has already chosen in the Beloved One.
Romans 8 : 28
Ephesians 1 : 6
Proverbs 16 : 4
Ephesians 1 : 3 - 6
It is a profound theological misunderstanding to suggest that God maintained a literal tether on Lucifer, as the Scriptures do not support such a notion. Rather, the Bible reveals that God created Lucifer with the gift of free will, an attribute inherent to all sentient beings endowed by their Creator.
Lucifer, whose name means "light bearer" or "morning star" (Isaiah 14:12), was originally a magnificent and exalted angel, adorned with wisdom and perfect in beauty (Ezekiel 28:12-15). As long as Lucifer remained faithful and loyal to God, his position reflected the harmony and glory of God's created order. This state of loyal obedience can be seen as a metaphorical tether, a bond of alignment with God's will.
However, the pivotal moment of rupture came when Lucifer exercised his free will in rebellion against God. Desiring to exalt his throne above the stars of God and to be like the Most High (Isaiah 14:13-14), Lucifer's pride and ambition led to the emergence of iniquity within him. The Scriptures poignantly declare, "You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you" (Ezekiel 28:15, NIV). This rebellion marked the breaking of the divine relationship, severing the metaphorical tether of obedience and loyalty.
The only true tether between God and His created beings is our adherence to His will. Obedience to God signifies a living, vibrant connection with the divine, as reflected in Jesus' words, "If you love me, keep my commands" (John 14:15, NIV). Conversely, disobedience signifies a breach in this relationship. The fall of Lucifer exemplifies this principle: "But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit" (Isaiah 14:15, NIV).
Therefore, it is clear that the tether between God and His creatures is one of voluntary submission to His righteous will. Disobedience, as demonstrated by Lucifer's fall, severs this sacred bond, resulting in spiritual estrangement and the propagation of evil. As believers, we are reminded to remain steadfast in our obedience, thereby maintaining our divine connection and reflecting the glory of our Creator.
Perhaps the difference between Lucifer and Hezekiah is that Hezekiah was already in a sinful state, whereas with Lucifer, sin had not yet entered creation.
Show me where in the bible you read free will? Lucifer is not even innthe bible so why say satans name is lucifer?
Easy. Cain picking up a weapon to kill his brother, Joshua crossing the Jordan, David committing adultery with Bathsheba, what choice I make for breakfast. We have choices to make and that is an exercise of the free will that He has given us. @@O_tropos
Maybe we're just making all of this up.
@@O_tropos the concept of free will is all throughout the bible such as Adam and Eve choosing to disobey God. You have the free will to go and do whatever you like correct? Whether good or bad? Whether to believe or not? The concept of the Trinity is throughout the bible yet the word "Trinity" cannot be found. Whether or not "morning star", or "light bearer" was translated as "lucifer" from Latin, it still means that there is a great and beautiful fallen angel in our midst to kill, steal, and destroy. His mission is to destroy O_tropos because you are God's creation and wonderfully made in His image. Psalm 139:13-14.
@@GlennMarcel-k6j choosing has nothing to do with free will and besides the bible is clear that God is sovereign. You do have a will, but it is not free. All your fundamentals have not been your choice; being born, boy/girl, black/white, west/east, brain capacity and alot more. None of these things did you choose. It was already set for you and based on that you make choices. But it is not free. Adam and Eve disobeyed because God placed a tree there for them to disobey. Look what romans 9:11-13 says or romans11:32. God does it all.
The trinity concept is nowhere in the bible give me one explicit trinity verse?
Nowhere does it say that it is satan it explicitly talks about a king. I would suggest not to use unbiblical words like trinity or lucifer. It can only confuse you.
The devil indeed wants to destroy God's work. But it is by God's design. Read Job2:10 Job says GOD gave Job his hardtime
. So I have a question for you is it satan or God that troubled Job?
When David Silverman (athiest) asked James White (reformed baptist) this same question in their debate, it took White less than 10 seconds to give a clear, concise answer from scripture.
God was giving Adam free will to choose Good or Evil
This is about the same with everything we have. We can use everything for good or evil. Internet, cars, the word of God, etc. The question is how you use it.
Why?
@@davegaskell7680 would you rather be like a robot?
@@mizmera What about having the option of free will but without the punishment of being sent to hell for making a choice God tempts us to make? Why couldnt that be an option?
@@davegaskell7680 If God knows the beginning and end, if he knows you before you're born, when you're born, what you're born into (indoctrination into other religions), and after your death, then how can he punish you? There's no free will, there's no true randomness because God knows everything you're going to do before you do it.
You were born into sin and the devil can be anywhere at any time like God, whispering into the minds of men and women, making them do things they shouldn't. So wouldn't it be fair to say it's cruel and vindictive that God is damning his own creation, already knowing the devil and angels would betray him, alongside with his creation? People are either born damned as a sick joke or blessed, without any recourse. If you're blessed, it came from God and he blesses you, but if you're damned then God abandons you, still loves you but you're not allowed into Heaven. What kind of loving God does this?
There has to be a possibility of choice when love exists.
so why did God say that He regret creating man, knowing beforehand they would fall to sin
Genesis chapters 1 to 11 are mostly figurative, not literal, a literary genre known as “mytho-history.”
Th J document is the earliest. It’s also the most anthropomorphic.
This is pushing the goal post@@delbert372
So anyone who has kids knows that so you are all bad GODS
Tell us how since life exist how can the potential for good and evil can not exist
You cant do what you want on any subject and the end result be the same
Any parent understands this to some extent. He knew he would change his mind he knew it would drive him to the point he would wish he hadn’t done it, but he did it anyway because he knows the end from the beginning. Why did Dr Strange only see one outcome that would he acceptable in all the possible variations of events, so that Ironman could snap his fingers and save everyone. It’s a similar concept. Dr Strange regretted that Ironman would do that, but it was the best possible scenario and it was Ironmans free will.
Sorry to anyone who is opposed to these Hollywood idols they’re just stories but they have certain aspects that are allegorically useful.
This was really well done. I thoroughly appreciated it. I listened to it twice in fact. I’m subscribed and look forward to more.
As an aside, I was nauseated by Augustine’s enthusiastic embrace of pagan thought and almost threw the City of God across the room. I don’t care how big his brain was, the man never left his pagan modes of thinking and left a massive stain on Christianity.
It’s HIStory, he’s the Storyteller. Listen to the Author of the Book of Life. 🙏
In my opinion God made the garden to represent the fruits of His labor. We in turn will present our fruits to God, Jesus.
he was perfectly kept, but then iniquity was found...when was iniquity created in lucifer, and how did it get there?
From the video I understand it's like entropy; God is the One sustaining and as soon as He lets loose decay (imperfection, sin) will ensue.
@@sandorrabe5745 thank you!
@sandorrabe5745 The next question is why did He let loose? Can we fault Satan when God initiated the event by letting loose?
@@brianmpofu2295 questions questions. Read the book of Job.
To show you where true righteousness comes from as a gift
It's quite astonishing to see the mental gymnastics applied here to answer a simple question.
what do you believe the simple answer is?
@@jayvansickle7607 I thìnk the simple answer is that 'it doesn't matter as it's not real.'
It’s a very simple reason. Without the tree, there is no freedom of choice.
@@novasmith were Adam and Eve created imperfect?
@@novasmith it's just a myth. A fairytale.
I never heard the answer to why the tree of knowledge of good and evil was created? That was the original question.
It wasn’t the tree itself that had knowledge of good & evil. It was the fact God said “do not eat it” that made it knowledge of good & evil. Because any command they would have broken from God would have given them knowledge of good & evil. That’s what evil is. Breaking God’s command. That’s what good is. Obeying God’s command. So until you break His command you have no knowledge of evil. This is why we are righteous by faith. If Adam & Eve had faith in God they wouldn’t have disobeyed Him & they would have no knowledge of evil & would not have died.
There is a Christian tradition that God would have given them the tree to eat at the appropriate time. They took it for themselves instead of waiting for it to come from above.
This is possible! We won’t know unless he reveals it to us
I found this very insightful, thank you
Yes, because He had a perfect plan. And that plan included that men would CHOOSE Him because He is not a dictator. He wants our love for Him to be free, not forced. Now, choices require alternatives. Obedience is a choice. He wanted us to choose to obey Him, to chose to love Him. He knew we wouldn’t and He knew that it would take all of what has taken to happen in history: man’s fall and restoration. It was and is all a perfect plan from the start.
If mankind is dead in sin, and not one among mankind is righteous, how is any man supposed to choose God?
Not one man did...
The Lord Jesus said that man was unwilling in Matthew 23:37...
"“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing."
So, then, clearly, no man can, has, or will choose God.
Rather, this is why our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus saved us through the Cross.
@@dsp62122You make your choice. You choose to answer Him or not.
@jeffc5474
Jeff, you can boldly declare that as your testimony to me. I am but a mere man.
But, I am certain that will not be your testimony kneeling before your Lord, God, and Savior Jesus...
It was the Lord Jesus who sovereignly changed your heart and mind so that you made whatever choice it is that you just declared that you made.
@@dsp62122 I am uncertain as to the precise nature of your argument; however, I unequivocally chose to align myself with God. "Choose you this day whom you will serve" - Joshua 24.
@AChristianfromNZ
From my perspective, this is not about making any sort of "argument."
This is not some sort of back and forth discussion trying to figure things out.
I declared to you my unequivocal salvation witness testimony.
I did so as if I were kneeling before our Lord Jesus being mindful of what our Lord Jesus said in Matthew 18:20...
"For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”"
You then kindly responded by declaring your unequivocal salvation witness testimony.
I trust that you, too, were boldly stating to me your unequivocal salvation witness testimony as if it were in the sight of our Lord Jesus.
I accept that it is your testimony.
So, no arguments are being exchanged between us from my point of view.
With that in mind, I will restate my salvation witness testimony to you as if I am kneeling before the Lord Jesus giving this testimony to Him...
I unequivocally give all honor and glory to my Lord, God, and Savior Jesus for His choice to save me by sovereignly changing my heart, my mind, and my free will so that I believed in Him, repented, live by faith through Him, and strive to live a life pleasing to Him.
So then, that is my unequivocal salvation witness testimony as if I were kneeling before our Lord Jesus.
So, see, there is no argument between us even though each of us does give a diametrically opposed salvation witness testimony before our Lord Jesus.
Fortunately, it is our Lord Jesus who will judge between us...
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The fall was always part of the plan. Without it we could never experience God in his fullness. We would have never needed mercy, grace or salvation. In fact we would have never known God as a triune God. Neither Christ or the Holy Spirit would have ever been necessary. Without sin we wouldn't need a savior. It was always God's desire for us to see him in his completeness. Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
If the fall was part of the plan, then why didn't he just create the world as fallen? Seems like a really inefficient way to go about it.
@meertin298 God really wants a genuine relationship with man. However, only the man that overcomes can have that with God. The tree is the opportunity for man to overcome. This is why we have the choice of free will
@@ufuomaokpos9423 Overcomes what, exactly?
@garydodd441 Remember the tree of life in Genesis? You'll find it mentioned in in Rev 2: 7; and Rev 22:2, 14.
If you look at Rev 2: 7, 11, 17, 25; and Rev 3: 5, 12, 21; you'll see mentioned the ones that overcome. In Rev 20:8 you'll see the last deception. In answer to your question directly, overcome the deception of the devil.
It's not easy to articulate all of these here. Rev 22: 14; Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
I hope this helps a little
@meertin298 Overcome the deception of the devil. I've written some things out in another post on this thread
Now that is a good question! I would love to hear answers on this... It is written that the last man Adam were a Living making Spirit...
Sophie, I applaud you for your question! Regrettably though, after 20 minutes of piffle it still begs a logical answer. Even though you are young (from the sound of your voice) you are seeing the inconsistencies the biblical narrative faces. The fact that a human has to do the explaining on behalf of the god of the Bible, and polish his image whilst doing so, already speaks volumes. Stay sceptical and trust your gut.
No, he said in the beginning that nobody even most famous philosophers don't know. But he needs money, that's why 20 minutes of piffle.
as a christian, i agree. this guy could have just said he didn’t know the answer. there’s a pretty clear answer as to why God made the tree. He had to give Adam and Eve a choice, because without choice, there is no love, and that’s all He asked from the start. i think it’s a good thing that we are left to ask questions and be skeptical of the Bible. its natural to go through doubt of such an enormous thought. i think that when you’re skeptical and you ask questions is when you delve the deepest. you get to know someone by asking them questions. in the same way, you get to know God and His word by wondering and pondering. if every answer was given to us from the start, we wouldn’t try to go any further. that fact that the bible conveys and encourages thought speaks volumes! yes be skeptical, yes trust your gut, but also be open.
A very good qn. I think as the bible explained that; "God alone is the beginning and the ending" He knew already the beginning and the ending of mankind started from Adam up to the last day of judgement, would it be true that Adam and Eve had not sin, might be some generation would come through the deception as well as Adam and Eve. But from them; we learn God's Compression as the solution to mankind before the final decision to those who can't repent completely. For God had already Loved the world: jn.3:16-17.
So when the woman SAW THAT THE TREE WAS GOOD FOR FOOD, that it was PLEASANT TO THE EYES, and a tree DESIRABLE TO MAKE ONE WISE, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
(Genesis 3:6)
For all that is in the world-the LUST OF THE FLESH, THE LUST OF THE EYES, and THE PRIDE OF LIFE-is not of the Father but is of the world.
(1 John 2:16)
God used the Fall as a lesson and warning for the future unfolding of the world that God understood.
I’ve listened to him say so much stuff about so many different things just to answer that one question - he should have just said “we don’t know”
“We don’t know” wouldn’t be truthful because we do know. It’s really not hard to
@@JerodM Can you explain it then??
@@JerodMit’s a contradiction
@@robertrashawn334 he explains it at the very end. God let Adam and Eve eat of the tree, and he let Satan fall, because he already had the plan to redeem creation before creation existed. That makes no sense for temporal beings such as us who live in a world of cause and effect where the cause must precede the effect, but to God who exists outside of time, the effect and the cause are intertwined and inseparable. The Fall didn't cause the Redemption and the Redemption didn't cause the Fall. They are one and the same. God's sovereign plan to create and redeem are one and the same. Nothing can exist apart from God.
So in other words (*ahem... sorry, this is going to get a little weird): God created the creation as that which must fall and that which must be redeemed and which was Fallen and Redeemed from the beginning, is now, and ever shall be done according to his will.
Make sense?
honesty is humble and a virtue.
This 20 min video just gave me so much revelation it’s insane, I’ve asked God very similar questions but it all makes sense, he tests us to reveal the condition of our heart to show us how much we need him and it’s always I I I instead of us (you and God) it’s all about us being free agents and choosing and trusting the perfection of God
Reveal what? The condition of our heart is already known by God before were born. Like what the weather will be like on any specific location or time, God knows it already and similarly knows who's going to hell long before he creates them.
This Information that was already known by the God, since he is omniscient and knows everything. means nothing can be revealed to him.
Our choices have already been predetermined by gods foreknowledge.
@@brianbridges8124 yeah bro I said Gave ME revelation you just had a yap session for no reason I know everything you just said congrats for wasting your time
Humans are tested in faith in will in obedience
Because God gives us the choice. That’s the simple answer.
Free will and omniscience seem to be impossible to coexist. How can someone say on one hand that they know exactly what you will choose and exactly what you will do with your life, and then say, but make the right choice. Think about it... what choice is there if the decision is already known?
If I said tomorrow you will have a big decision to make so you best make sure to make the right choice, but let's say I knew that you WILL make the wrong choice and I allowed you to continue and choose wrong even though prior to, I knew you would make the wrong choice, how could you possibly be blamed for the decision? You were predetermined to make the incorrect choice to begin with. IE it wasn't a choice. It was determined. IE no free will.
What i dont understand is why God even created us, he saw all the pain, tears, suffering, killing, sorrow that would come????? 😢 😢😢
Because He knew of the creative nature we hold, compassion, beauty and inspiration. He knew the possibilities and the challenges. He knows and sees us as His children, that He loves.
@@jhenniceamorrow5936 O..M..G!!! Well I'm glad my Mum didn't love me like "god" supposedly does. "god' loved me like my father did - beat the tar out of me because he was in a bad mood - not because I'd done anything wrong!
It's all revealed throughout the Bible... God wants a bride for His son. We too get celestial bodies, and we are presented as royal heirs. In the meantime He (in Spirit) wants to cohabit in our earthly vessels... As explained in Ephesians 2.
Let me ask you a question, if you had the power to create the most wonderful creation, but you know that there would be some lapses but ultimately the creation would be redeemed into the perfect way you intended it to be. Would you say “no I won’t create it” because of the lapse that you know for a fact can’t ultimately hinder the beauty you would create.
And secondly, we have to understand that our view of evil is wildly flawed and here is why, when we speak of evil we try to distant ourselves from it by saying so much killing, so much this and that, but what we fail to understand is that we are the ones who welcomed evil into this world and not God. God only gave us the opportunity to choose if we want to welcome evil or trust in His words and we chose the former and the funny thing about this is that even today we still chose the former. Humans kill humans, humans covet from humans, humans lie to each other, steal from each other etc. but we think that because we haven’t killed anyone then we can point at other sins and say why do God allow them not realizing that God is also allowing us as well because if He was to be just and judge every evil then we would all be in hell. So why does God allow so much pain? It is because God keeps giving us the same opportunity He gave to Adam and Eve, to either trust Him or chose our selfish ways. Either way He is still God but we are nothing without Him.
"but you know that there would be some lapses" = you are doing mistakes = you are not perfect = you are not God, which is perfect.
"but ultimately the creation would be redeemed into the perfect way you intended it to be" - so rather than fix error at the beggining, you create all wars, suffering etc, which means you are not all good, because by your "most wonderful creation", you created lot of evil .
To me this question shows the disbelieve of a questioner in God. How anyone says "If He knew?" God created everything for reason and purpose. He is Almighty!!
I disagree. Just change the "if" to "since" and you are still left with the same question without disparaging the questioner
@@windowman9406 It's your right to disagree with my opinion, but you didn't understand what I wanted to say. I didn't say the question shouldn't be asked. I said, it should be in the disbelieve in God's Almighty.
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Before there was a sun or moon there was something Good being the Light of the World the Light of Life for three evenings (layhil/night) and three mornings (yom/day)
Reference
Rev 1.16 b , 1Jhn 5.7, Jhn 8.12, Jhn 1.1-5 , Mark 10.18, Mat 12.40, Daniel 2.22
The darkness is the enemy, the war was over when God said "let there be light"
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The tree of good and bad was the consequence of " created in God's Image and likeness: FREE WILL, halleluja
(Short version) we have to TRUST God no matter what. Even explaining it can be weakening your faith.
God reqlly never says why He does anything. But he does tell us why He had to die. But I dont see any explanation of the why. Our finite minds make it impossible to understand the why. Again He does give a why in the finite realm, thats clear. And even then its still difficukt for us to grasp. Sometimes learning the whys will derail your faith. Just accept it and TRUST Him.
Wouldn't trust him as far as I can blow snot - sorry...
I'm not sure......I don't know......Wouldn't that be the best and most humbled answer to give the young audience member?
He didn't answer the question
@@MarieAntoinette1938_tmc You know that, I know that, non-believers know that .... but believers think the answer was brilliant. Hey ho!
Because he doesn't actually know the answer or intent of that Tree. Or he has heard of the idea i will explain and rejects it as most do and will.
The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad (or evil) represented God's authority over mankind. It seems that it was quite a literal tree as they were told not to eat from it but did. We know it has nothing to do with mere theft, simply eating from a tree. The tree had a title. We dont, generally, give names or titles to trees. So, it represented something. We also know what God's punishments for mere theft were when He gave His laws to the Israelites (not death)
Satan, using the serpent, lied to Eve who also got Adam to eat. Obviously, Satan was the first one to rebel against God's authority.
God never stated that faith would not be tested, perhaps the Tree was put there as a test to their loyalty and faith in Him that they would let Him decide instead.
@@paulg1759 but GOD knew everything. He had so much wisdom, but created something that tormented humanity. We were all punished for something we didn't exist around. Imagine creating something that could punish your kids for life, and their kids (your grandkids). But you created in knowing the damage it could do.
What can we do about what GOD does anyway why fight? Ask GOD
@@hughjackson9279
That isn't the case at all. Satan, with the prophecy stated, will be punished in the future. That is in Gen 3:15. Adam and Eve were likewise punished. We are not being punished. It is merely the effects of their willingly sinning that we have to endure. The bible even states that God only punishes the sinners themselves, not decendants.
Satan, Eve, and Adam all had some sort of "connection" to God. A spiritual one, I suppose. They all had some sort of knowledge of what God would disprove of, or simply what actions would be a sin. We do not generally immediately think of that and instead have a tendancy to sin first. Even if we know it is wrong later.
God never stated that He would not test one's faith. He did so with Abraham. While the bible doesnt seem to say why exactly, it is likely that Abraham was wavering. Not knowing himself whether he had enough faith in God to risk his son. God has shown Himself tonbe able to read others' hearts. In both Balaam's case and Jonah's, they seem to have listened to the advice and corrected themselves. In Cain's case, he did not listen to the warning.
In effect, we are being warned in the bible of what will happen in the future. If God merely wanted to punish, He would not warn.
God knows best. Thanks Mr Barnett.
So Mr Barnett doesn't know? Took him 20 minutes to say that.
I dont understand all the laughing. Especially at a child who is trying to understand.
I don't know of course because I wasn't there, but I think the laughing was because it really was a good question, a tough question and probably a more advanced question than anyone imagined a child asking. I don't think it's a mean laugh, I think it's more of a "wow nobody expected that!" Kind of laugh. I'm sure her parents were proud and beaming when they heard it.😂
@@TheMarvelousmike72 I would have been a proud parent. Tough question!
They were laughing at the length of the answers word
God knew that man will fall to sin yet He still created us as simple as that.
Yup but at the same time it's not His fault ...its ours . He created us to live eternally with Him but He wanted us to make our own decisions cause He felt it's not fair or wasn't right to make us like robots. We were made in His image which means same how God has thoughts , making decisions, personality etc ...He wanted the same with us as with even the angels. Lucifer made the decision to do what he did just like we have the choice to follow or believe God and live right by Him. Yes God knew Lucifer would fall and cause the same for man. God planned everything for the fall as well by sending His son. So either you avoid hell by following Jesus or enter hell with Satan since you choose to follow him. If you make the choice to follow Satan then that's on you. And that doesn't mean being a devil worshipper but living your life on your own which you lead to sin since you don't have God's guidance. Look at it like this .. with God seeing Satan having the highest position being who he was ( with God letting him be his own man ).. imagine God letting others(sinners) in heaven causing havoc up there making the choices Lucifer did . Just know Hell was meant only for Lucifer and his angels not us. But if we choose the things that are of Satan then we will end up where he is going . The fact you're still alive is Him giving you time and opportunity to do what's right so you won't enter that place. The ton of people who entered into hell made their choice. You still have time my friend.
@@s.g.6012 thanks for sharing.. I’m saved by Grace through faith. Eph. 2:8-9, Romans 1:16..😊
Lot of talking, but said nothing. Never answered the question.
I have an interesting answer. Since God is all knowing he knew that this reality was the best reality where he saves the most people... So whatever is allowed by God, it has a GOOD reason
That’s not a bad theory. I think at the end of the day, I would imagine that if someone made up the story, it’s a pretty stupid one to make up if your goal is for people to believe it. It wouldn’t be that hard to come up with a better origin story with that goal.
He doesn't know the answer, and he didn't answer the question correctly, but just blabbered. If he was honest, he would have just said, "I don't know," and stopped.
We must know the darkness to love the light.
Those Christians that are laughing probably couldn't answer the question show some respect you want children to come to church show some respect and this is coming from a Christian
This pastor spoke for about 21 min and I waited patiently to answer the young girl’s questions. He spoke about all sorts of things Daniel 7, Hezekiah, 2 Thessalonians, Deuteronomy, Isiah 14, Colossians 1, Jude, Ezekial, Peter and Jesus, tomb of Nefertiti, photographer, Kings of Tyre, the Phoenicians, Personality driven ministry, Philip the Ethiopian, Calvin, Luther, Augustine - wow talk about circumventions. Impressive how he can memorize verses. But, quite a trip without answering the question.
Then he threw in some big words Parabolic - Infra-lapsarianism view, supra-lapsarianism - Sub - lapsarianism - Nice, but Sofia still waits for an answer.
And at 17:00 John says “let me not get off topic.” Lol.
To Sofia’s question he eventually says “The bible doesn’t say why.” Then in 18:11 he says “it is very possible that….” That’s John’s opinion. In other words, John is interpreting in the absence of an answer.
But eventually he does try to answer. Let me write the question again
Young Sofia: Why did God create the tree of life and evil if he knew Adam and Eve would eat from it?
John: it was because he had a plan of redemption and it wasn’t, his second plan it was his original plan because God doesn’t change and he does not discover, he does not add, he doesn’t make mid flight adjustment.
I wonder if Sofia feels her question was answered?
So, let me get this straight John, God put the tree of life to set-up Adam and Eve so he (God) can set up Redemption? So, God, set up the fall of man then, per John?
John says ‘God knows who is going to be saved before anything was created (determinism). He (God) knows everything.”
So, John pretty much implicates God in the downfall of man. This all makes sense now.
It is a important question n not funny
I know. It's distracting.
ikr, I have been asking that same Qs ever since I began reading the Bible, over 40yrs ago.
"That's is a really good question." He knows that. When people are faced with the seriousness of the reality of life, most want to laugh.
@@nbt3663- I actually suspect those people are laughing because (unlike that young lady & St Augustine) they’ve never pondered the actual Qs. God says in the Bible we are to approach life (and heaven) with a similar mindset as that of children (why?) because of the sheer purity of their young hearts & minds, of which, the sinful carnal world (aka satan & his minions) are constantly working to lead astray & corrupt.
Keep in mind JB approaches scripture from a Calvinistic perspective... because he is a self admitted Calvinist.
This opens another question: If Lucifer is not the source of evil, what is?
He rambles on too much....get to the point. It's unnecessary.
Being impatient is not good. Hope you learn that.
@Gqrk he was asked by a young girl, why God allowed evil....he then proceeds to talk about Pharaoh's mom, his dad was an artist, ect...his rambling is completely unnecessary and a waste of precious time as well as irrelevant.
He is holding a class and you are watching free. Please
@marymiller1771 he still rambles on and on and on and on........ I won't be watching him any longer. Free, or otherwise....Thank you lol.
I like exactly how he teaches and I'm sure there's plenty others that do as well. Sorry that it wears on your patience
I’ve often wondered if we will get to eat of the fruits of the tree of knowledge when we are in heaven with Jesus Christ. Once a season or year.....whenever.....We all gather to get a piece of the harvest and temporarily get a more heavenly experience while already there.
The knowledge of good and evil, not good and evil. This is all a lesson in Choice…..Deuteronomy 30.
A better question ~ 'Why did God create Evil in the first place?'
"I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create EVIL I, the Lord, do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7 KJV)
St Paul summed it all up about Gods plan of Redemption and Resurrection to be with Him in heaven in our own Free will. He said and I qoute Vain is our Faith if there’s no resurrection of the dead k!
Very good teacher and i love how u keep turning to what the word says which alot dont do. Bless you sir
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What if it wasnt a literal tree but was symbolic for the knowledge of good and evil (the law)?
God has this same knowledge so its nothing evil.
The serpent obvious has it because he knows what it can do.
It was not good for man to have.
The only think I can think of is moral law.
Adam and Eve were fine being "naked" and close to God until guilt and shame entered the picture.
The allegorical 'Apple' in the allegorical Garden represents Thought/Ego/Duality!
Life/death, good/evil, time, mortality... all duality, is all brought to us in thought!
The tree of life and of the knowledge of good and evil may signify God's fruits. Everyone bears fruit ( whether good or bad) of their labors.
An excellent question.
But the answer, or rather the pretense in answering was a long winding excusion that benefited no one.
A proper answer would inevitably require understanding these below:
■1. For what purpose did God plant the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
■2. If the fruit-bearing tree was integral to God’s creation, why prohibit Adam and Eve to eat of it?
■3. Is God able to see future events?
If one, who is true disciple of the Lord Jesus, would pray for the Holy Spirit to come, to open one's mind to understand the Holy Scriptures (Luke 24:35), one will find answer not only to this mystery but to even the deepest secrets of the Kingdom of God (Mt 13:11).
Meanwhile, it is good and only proper for one who appoints himself teacher, not to teach or answer a question when one has not understanding.
Got to speak to those LDS missionaries about how we lives with him premortally, that our spirits were made from eternal substance - raw intelligence; it’s contrary to concepts like creation ex nihilo, and some push back thinking it diminishes God’s power. But it answers why evil exists - he values agency as it is essential that it is our own choices that will bring us to God or seek our own selfish ways. It preserves that God is all-knowing and all powerful - but without taking away our agency like Calvanist predestination
It was all about free WILL. Inspite of man’s free will and the existence of evil man would choose to love God willingly bc of the goodness of God. The two trees in the garden both had the power to give eternal life. One as a fallen man and the other was as a holy man. Christ I believe was the second tree but he wasn’t ready to give eternal life until his blood was shed to offer a newness of life.
I think we humans may not receive the answer to the question as it may pertain to us, but angels watch humans and learn things about God by how he interacts with us feeble frail humans. So the purpose of the tree ((I think) was ultimately so that angels could learn more about God. He shows that even lesser beings than angels can be saved, that right there shows God's grace. And angels continue to watch us and learn about God. In the end we will be raised higher than the angels and judge them.
Since God exists outside of time, you kind of have to approach the question differently. The fall was always calculated into the equation but God desired a higher good only accessible via the tree being made and us falling. He was willing to forbear sin that He might save and redeem a people who know His mercy and suffer with Him (in Christ, God cannot suffer in His divine nature) to humbly love, have mercy, and forbearance and hatred of sin, like Him, and ultimately share in the Beatific Vision, which is the highest fathomable good for a creature.
Really people, it's His garden. He can plant whatever He likes.
Now I have MORE questions. Why did God create Lucifer? God knew what was in his heart and knew he would fall, so why create such a being who would tempt humanity to also fall? Please, Pastor, please help me understand.
To show us that only God is perfect and that imperfection is also inherent in celestial beings, not just in us humans. Hence why we're instructed to be careful listening to angels (celestial beings)...
@@rtceables6524we are above the Angels, so we can demand they show who they are aligned with . We command the evil to leave , request the help of good Angels .
I've had these sort of questions too and I guess I sort of look at things like a movie in the sense that you might not understand why something happened or why something is happening perhaps we're not even meant to or it's not even necessary in the long run even if that might seem like a cop out but at the end after a few twists in the plot when it's all wrapped up neatly you'll understand everything in retrospect.
Nobody can answer this question but God, Jesus, or The Holy Spirit.
The plan is based on the foundational words and action " experiment of choice" .
"Free Will" the painting of life and we're the paint of colours. For Gods image He creates is a board game back to the start, which is, unwaving trust through obedience, faith and love.
Evil played, evil failed, re-fresh of light and salvation becomes new.
I felt like he wanted him to create a conscious…for him to be able to develop how to make a choice from doing something GOOD or bad
Why did God oversee the corruption in Lucifer before the fall and do nothing?
The Bible does not say that God knew who would be saved from eternity past, and if it does, I'd like to know which verse. We were all made in His image, for His glory, and for His good pleasure. We are His workmanship. If we rebel, it is our choice and not predetermined by God. God has the ability to know everything, but His foreknowledge does not mean fore-causal.
The answer is pretty simple, doesn't need a long answer. Also it's written in the scripture. Isaiah 46:10. I suggest that if you wanna dig deeper into that, you may wanna learn the hebrew linguistics and then get back to genesis 1:1. Because you will find that the answer was both simple, and complex.
Fantastic young man, It's always an inspiration to hear your insight. Not all have what you have. Thanks so much
I'm 7 mins in and still waiting for you to get to the simple short answer you promised the little girl.
What a great question by the little one.
Albeit I like this teacher, he blew it on this one.
GOD ADDRESSED this subject more profoundly and succinctly than any of the other questions.
Sin was sent and allowed in to unfold GODS' ULTIMATE PLAN AND HIS INTRODUCTION OF HIS TRINITY.
GOD - THE FATHER (POWER, HOLINESS, INTERCESSOR, GAL 5:22-24 AND JUDGE).
GOD - THE SON (REDEEMER, RECONNECTION AND RESTORATION TO GOD AND
INTERCESSOR.
GOD - THE HOLY SPIRIT (HELPER, GUIDE, PROTECTOR, SUSTAINER, POWER OF GOD, INTERCESSOR)
That Tree and it's Fruit was necessary for HIS BRILLIANT AND POWERFUL PLAN TO INTRODUCE HIS TOTAL SELF to us. No tree and fruit....No direct need for THE LORD JESUS CHRIST SACRIFICES.
Colossians 1:16-17
16 For by HIM WERE ALL things CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created BY HIM, AND FOR HIM:
17 And HE IS BEFORE ALL things, AND BY HIM ALL things consist.
Matthew 4:1 Then was THE LORD JESUS LED UP OF THE SPIRIT into the wilderness (to be tempted) of the devil.
Psalms 119:90-91
90 THY FAITHFULNESS IS UNTO ALL generations: THOU HAST ESTABLISHED the earth, AND it abideth.
91 They continue this day according to THINE ORDINANCES: for ALL ARE THY servants.
Psalms 17:13
Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is THY sword:
Isaiah 45:7
I FORM the light, AND I CREATE darkness: I MAKE peace, AND I CREATE evil: I THE LORD DO ALL these things.
John 17:1
THESE WORDS SPAKE JESUS, AND LIFTED UP HIS EYES TO HEAVEN, AND SAID, FATHER, THE HOUR IS COME; GLORIFY THY SON, THAT THY SON ALSO MAY GLORIFY THEE:
John 17:2
As THOU HAST GIVEN HIM POWER OVER ALL flesh, THAT HE SHOULD GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO AS MANY AS THOU HAST GIVEN HIM.
John 17:9
I PRAY FOR them: I PRAY NOT for the world, BUT FOR them which THOU HAST GIVEN me; for they ARE THINE.
John 17:12
While I WAS WITH them in the world, I KEPT them IN THY NAME: those that THOU GAVEST ME I HAVE KEPT, AND NONE of them is lost, BUT the son of perdition; THAT THE SCRIPTURE MIGHT BE FULFILLED.
2 Samuel 24:1
And again THE ANGER OF THE LORD WAS KINDLED AGAINST Israel, AND HE MOVED David AGAINST them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
Acts 4:27
For of a truth against THY HOLY CHILD JESUS, WHOM THOU HAST ANOINTED, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Acts 4:28
For to do whatsoever THY HAND AND THY COUNSEL DETERMINED BEFORE TO BE DONE.
Matthew 10:34
Think not that I AM COME to send peace on earth: I CAME NOT to send peace, BUT A SWORD.
Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto HIM, Why speakest THOU unto them in parables?
Matthew 13:11
HE ANSWERED AND SAID unto them, Because IT IS GIVEN UNTO you TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE Kingdom Of Heaven, but to them it is NOT 🚫 given.
John 6:70
THE LORD JESUS ANSWERED them, Have not I CHOSEN you twelve, AND one of you IS a devil?
Romans 9:15
For HE SAITH TO Moses, I WILL HAVE MERCY ON whom I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON whom I WILL HAVE COMPASSION.
Romans 9:16
So then IT IS NOT of him that willeth, NOR OF him that runneth, BUT OF GOD THAT SHEWETH MERCY.
Romans 9:17
For THE SCRIPTURE SAITH UNTO Pharaoh, Even for THIS SAME PURPOSE HAVE I RAISED thee up, that I MIGHT SHEW MY POWER IN thee, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE DECLARED THROUGHOUT ALL the 🌎.
Romans 9:18
Therefore HATH HE MERCY ON whom HE WILL HAVE MERCY, AND WHOM HE WILL HE HARDENETH.
Obviously I could keep going and going. This is ALL A Part Of HIS DIVINE PLAN.
Answer:
GOD INTENTIONALLY PLACED The Tree And It's Fruit there to bring about THE TRINITY AND All Things For HIS PURPOSE.
HIS SCRIPTURE IS Crystal Clear.
This is just a smidgen of what HE HAS PROFOUNDLY AND SUCCINCTLY COMMUNICATED IN HIS SCRIPTURES.
Respect someone who says "I don't know or am unsure."
How about to test the human spirits ability to obey and submit to his will and exercise free will.