Vaush Attacks Destiny's Community After Coalition Panel
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- Vaush attacks Destiny's community after returning home from Vidcon
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Good on Keffals for actually apologizing and being the bigger person and not acting like nothing happened like vaush did
Yeah, i would have liked to be a fly on the wall for the conversation though, is she saying that shit because she is actually sorry or because she won't fight irl.
"the bigger person"
nice
Well for the beginning Steve had to threaten legal action.
Didn't see keffals change coming tbh. Her streams seams reasonable as well
@@greatmatt301 She tried to make peace privately before the manifesto dropped but even then it came off as blackmail from her LMFAO
It’s remarkable how low Vaush can go even when you already had low expectations.
Vaush is very strong minded with all that brain damage. Props to the disabled guy
Yet he still came out looking better than destiny
@@TurtleChad1 - woah sick burn bro 😂😂😂
@@TurtleChad1 I see you on so many videos you really need to go outside lmao
@@TurtleChad1 bro is it really that fun to be the energy vampire meme, spending hours in youtube comment sections to troll people into getting mad at you
I don’t know how vaush could talk shit to you after you defend him on the poppy stuff. Saved his career for no reason
Started his career too, vaush was an orbitter (Irish laddie) who destiny talked to/debated/hosted
Who is poppy? The little rat from league of legends?
@@Winn3r__a person on destiny discord that vaush sexually harrassed and never apologized to around when he started his youtube channel
@Winn3r__ if I recall it was some girl in discord Vaush was harassing or she was underage or something. It was some thing like that if I recall, don't remember the details it was a while back
@@ostdog9385it honestly wasn't that big of a deal oh, he was sexually Awkward over Discord messages, and made unwanted advances over Discord but that's about it
Lying, deceptive, sneaky and a coward. Yeah, classic Vaush.
That’s how leftists are
@@azouitinesaad3856 Lol most people aren’t socialists
@@andoceans23most people aren’t but there are still hundreds of millions of leftists. Kyle Kulinski may also be a bad commentator but at least he argues in good faith, unlike Vaush
@@azouitinesaad3856 Sorry, that's how leftists today by and large are. Funny how these are the only types of leftists allowed; where as the MLK Jr's, JFKs, John Lennon's all meet the same fate. Weird, huh?
So a lefty through and through. Jokes aside I think every extremist is bound to be all of these things, because there is no other way for their position to work out.
August uploading stream segments while the stream is still live actual GIGACHAD
Tbf Destiny has starved his editor of content and in turn revenue. It's time for August to eat.
@@pndwavy August is set for at least 10 years with the amount of money gets from this channel lol
I kinda gave up on Vaush ever changing or admitting a single mistake in his life after the JK Rowling "ironic misogyny" arc where literally everyone told him he was wrong and he just doubled and tripled and quadrupled down and burnt bridges with contrapoints and just about every other trans creator who was friendly towards him by insisting he knew what was better for the trans community than them.
Still, somehow, I got suckered into thinking once again that maybe this coalition building thing would finally be a turnaround, and of course the video he released after totally shattered that illusion right away. Actually unbelievable to use a coalition building panel for clout and then immediately start tearing down another person on the panel without blinking.
Bro I'm not sure why you'd think this weird ass project would amount to anything, it was doomed from the start, I'm not sure why Destiny even wanted to cooperate with the Intercept, let alone Emma Vigeland and fucking Vaush, lmfao.
@@ReddoFreddo i dont know much about this project, but i figure that not trying to cooperate would look bad, plus there is a small chance it would work, so why not ?
It’s crazy how many destiny fans where speaking in favor of vaush in their panel, it seemed everyone wanted the bridge to be rebuilt. Only for this to happen… lol
@@Goodmorning592 Exactly. That's the fake and phony exterior of the left. That's why it's so easy for them to tear each down so quickly. The projected love they show for each other is ingenuine.
Vaush is a fundamentally unreasonably person.
Unlike most here, i disagree with destiny on 98% of policy.
I 100% agree with how he acts and reasons.
Destiny’s evaluation on Vaush and Emma is spot on. It’s a big mistake to align with either of them.
Leftists will stab you in the back the first chance they get. They eat their own
Conditional alignment for a specific thing for a specific length of time for a specific purpose. Anything less than this and Dman is setting himself up for disaster
@@bobjenkins4925i think u mean “anything more than this…”
This shit is a waste of time. Partnering with bad faith actors who have a history of engaging in shady/malicious behavior for personal gain only damages the movement.
Vaush and Emma are literally the worst type of leftists for optics. They're smug and impotent and all the contribute is detraction.
The jimmy dore : young Turks strategy?
Hasan shitting on destiny got me to check him out and I feel at home here…a sane community I can relate to
Crazy how Keffels would be the one to apologize rather than Vaush.
As a mostly silent observer, unfollowed of you for many years, Destiny, I’m impressed at your level of self-awareness, and I think you were pretty on the money. It was virtually every characterization I heard you make in this video. Keep doing what you do, in the ways you try to make a difference you are.
Vaush and his fans call this civility? I’m mad at myself for even entertaining the friendship meme the day of the event. Destiny is completely in the right for not wanting to share credit with these fools. Unfortunate as it is.
Vaush and his fans wouldn't know civility if it smacked them in the face and died right next to them in bed
Jesus Christ is Lord ✝️
@@wheezer6695 Very civil of you.
Yeah, I feel like a fool. The Vaush Destiny faction within the sub swept me along with their relentless positivity that I forgot what Vaush's real face is. To be honest, him directly insulting the community was a good wake up call for the DDGers who still hoped for a reconciliation, myself included.
Daily reminder that Destiny wished for vaush to die at vidcon. The bridge got burned so badly long ago, there is no rebuilding it.
Vaush with the instant bridge burn. The dude has turned being bad faith into an artform.
the bridge has been ruins already for years
@@deeepdale very true
@@deeepdaletrue but this was the biggest olive branch that could have been offered
@@unclebobboomergames yep, and everybody accuses Destiny of spitefulness, but he's in a pit of snakes and still tried
My dude. You said everything I was wondering during that trip. How do you build a coalition with a person whom's open position is to lie/obfuscate in order to enact socialism?
That's not his position. His position is it would be morally okay to.
How is this statement wrong? If a liberal party and a fascist party were running against each other, and the liberal party knew it could push one lie to guarantee a win in an otherwise hotly contested election, would it be morally wrong for them to do so? Obviously not. Destiny has this exact same position, as does any sensible person.
This statement come up in a debate on moral axioms with Rem where Vaush said that our acceptance of truth comes from power, not some fully idealized cognition. This is just a factually true statement and basically the entirety of what literature on information and totalitarianism entail. This is a major theme in Hannah Arendt's work and the major theme of 1984. It's stupid that this line and criticism still exists when it's also a pretty foundational tenet of Destiny's arguments too.
@@leroture7750 But Vaush does lie. He lied in this exact video.
@@leroture7750 show me any clip where destiny says its morally ok to lie as long as you think you're in the right (which is literaly everyone) , Ill wait because it doesn't exist. In fact, Destiny has stated several times in relation to the Vaush clip that it is immoral to lie just because you think it's correct. Also you stated several times that its "objective" which is fucking ridiculous, to even being to say that anything having to do with morality is objective and just shows you have no grasp of anything you just stated. You seem to be confusing whether something is politically effective or not with whether or not it is immoral. Your logic basically states as long as you believe you are in the right, it is ok to lie which is an ok philosophy to have (because none of this is objective) but you wont find yourself among very many people, most of DDG, and least of all Destiny.
Tbh, I don't really believe that Vaush is that concerned about that, he, just like most 1st world socialists/communists/anarchists use the aesthetics of leftism and poor countries problems as a way to further social democracy for themselves, something like yada yada leftist theory, yada yada look how bad life is in this poor country, so we should improve our lives within capitalism. Just to be clear, I say this as a far leftist (Sorry if I'm not being clear, English is not my first language)
@@redaffix7320 Idk, I will never finish a vaush v destiny drama video, I think Vaush is being retarded for closing out Destiny for any whatever reason. I just fundamentally disagree with the criticism of Vaush's two points on truth and the morality of lying to further a cause.
Bridge burned before the planks could be put on
The symbolism of a chair acting as a physical partition between the two former lovers turned enemies during the panel has now turned into a full blown exposition dump. The writing was more subtle last weeks episode smh
I was actually one of the cross viewers, but after watching how Vaush lied about PV and everything Destiny is talking about here, I’m out. No aqua from me.
1:20:28 LOL The fact that this was foreshadowed, excellent storytelling from the DGG universe writers!
Amazin
3:30 - how the guy famous for saying he’s ‘outpaced you intellectually’ can sit here and say it’s destiny who’s main priority is satiating a feeling of intellectual superiority is just baffling. How does his audience let him get away with this???
Vaush's lack of self-awareness can be truly embarrassing.
when Destiny predicted how Vaush would react and a few seconds later (destiny reacted to this much later though) Vaush did the exact thing Destiny said he would do, was honestly hilarious. 2:29 Destiny predicts what vaush does at 1:20:15
Heh, that was just amazing
When was that?
@@OBsurdityTV at 2:29 Destiny predicts what vaush does at 1:20:15
@@theyoutube8644”a few seconds later” bro that’s an hour and 20 minutes later 💀💀
@@p0k3mn1Vaush said it live, right after destiny made the prediction
vaushs go-to strategy is to create a narrative to discredit people to his audience without having to engage with anything they say, creating a situation where they cant defend themselves
i think people need to rewatch the poppy saga and how he tried to deal with that, thats what he does
same with hasan or any grifter or politican
doesn't Vaush regularly debate everyone like all the time?
The only thing besides clips I've watched of Vaush was his "analysis" of Shoe0nHead videos. Where he so misses the points and her ironical humor that he mostly ends up agreeing with her. It shows so clearly how he's seething about nothing, and is so bad at listening that it discredits everything else he says. A good debater must be able to shut up and listen for at least a moment.
@@BushidoBoyd im not saying he doesnt, im saying this is his strategy with people he has a personal problem with
The whole idea behind his "fortress arc." Create an insulated bubble of devout followes who will swallow up everything you say, so that you can "safely" sling arrows from a distance without having to worry about repercussions in the short to mid run.
He'll find out soon enough, though. Nobody ever gets away with anything, really. These things have a way of catching up to people and devouring them, usually from the inside first.
I was a vaush fan literally from the beginning of his twitch career, I was one of the first 1000 people to subscribe to his youtube channel. I learned about destiny because of vaush, but after watching the panel and then watching vaush lie in real time about israel palestine and not address any of it, I've spent a ton of time just watching old destiny content and comparing it to what vaush said about that content at the time, im talking dozens of hours, and I'm noticing this pattern of Ian just lying and lying and lying and covering it up with charisma. I feel like I was gaslit by him for so long, with how much he's lied over and over and over about not just destiny but tons of other people too, how he just glibly dismisses valid points by jokingly calling it "libshit" or something similar. It's gross how I didn't notice this pattern of dishonesty and how I just fell in line with his every narrative.
I do wonder what videos you're talking about, I wanna start hatewatching as well, because I do know that my instincts of him being super lazy, unreceptive to any pushback, unable to do any basic research will be confirmed. It's why the man doesn't do debates anymore. Someone's gotta get Ian some Vyvanse.
@@thecoolannishatk. have you seen Destiny's manifesto video? That's the best jumping off point.
He's so manipulative and he's gotta know he's gaslighting. It's scary how someone can lie with so much confidence and ego
A weird thing that has happened is, under Vaush's Vidcon videos, people in his audience comment congragulatorialy on Vaush's performance as if he was the one responsible for setting up the panel and interviews.
as a vaush fan this is eye opening
As a huge Destiny fan it seems like his ego is getting way too big.
Also why tf are you playing your switch at a public dinner event are you 10 years old lol. Come on man.
Based
It’s great to see Destiny recognizing his influence and value, and caring more about his public image being accurate, but I just wish it happened earlier before so much damage was done by the snakes in these spaces. It’s just wild to me how dedicated the online left is to tearing itself down and fighting their proposed interests in order to feel better and superior about themselves. Hopefully this is the start of more growth and improvement in the future - and hopefully a departure from more of the dishonest trash like Vaush
Shoutout to Keffals though, I never would’ve expected it of her in the past, but if she really is changing for the better then that’s awesome, especially considering how deep she dug herself
Keffals finds it very difficult to get views without hitching herself to something larger, not certain we can really give kudos for her patching things up with a creator that's blowing up right now.
@@johnflory3306 yea all obviously isn’t forgotten. It’ll take time to know if she’s really turned things around, but its worth giving a second chance. It would be great if she has actually changed
I think this is just one more downside to the left's embrace of identity politics, which is by definition highly personal and judgemental. Such an ideological context will continue to foster disunity and factionalism, and will turn off the very people we need to convince.
The economic focus, on the other hand, is more inclusive and less personal. It was much easier for the left to build broad coalitions in the past for this reason.
We need to return to the MLK style which addressed issues like racism and bigotry in a more inclusive, less judgemental and less dogmatic way, and was also far more effective of course. It recognised that after the civil rights bills were passed, the best way to empower minorities was to raise their standard of living.
@@aarondavis8943 The country hated MLK when he was alive, Gallup polling had him at over 60% disapproval rating and was seen as a judgemental, dogmatic, trouble maker. Don't buy the right wing whitewashing about civil rights history, it was violent, confrontational, riotous and deeply divisive. When King denounced Vietnam, most civil rights leaders turned against him - Lyndon Johnson cut all ties with him after he publicly condemned the war that everyone agrees now was a huge disaster. Sorry, but "MLK Style" is not what you seem to think it is if you think it made it "easier for the left to build broad coalitions" - if anything, the "MLK Style" destroyed and made it harder to build left coalitions at the time... not that I think it was bad, his legacy speaks for it's self and history has proven him right... but it's definitely very different from how you're painting it.
what influence lmao
I thought Vaush would step up and apologize, instead he once again through DGG and Destiny under the bus. I hope he enjoys his coalition with the MR/Emma. 👍
The only good thing about Emma is her looks, and she’s a mere 4/10 at that.
His bridge with MR/Emma will eventually burn. I give it 6 months.
@@williamray329 Who will be the one to fire the first shot though?
@@theresaurus9820 Probably destiny. It will probably be like the situation with Hasan. Destiny is disagree with a take and critique it, MR/Emma will blow it out of proportion and go nuclear and destiny will match energy.
@@greatmatt301 p sure they meant vaush/emma bridge, Steven/emma bridge doesnt really exist lol
At the end of the day, you’re honest. Your positions haven’t always been popular, and you’ve certainly not always communicated them in an effective manner, but you’ve always been honest about the stances you take.
People like vaush, hasan and Emma aren’t honest. Time and time again they demonstrate that this is all a big game for them; they’ll say whatever is necessary to propagate their influence, simply for the sake of accruing more power.
I don’t believe these people care about being politically effective or exacting real change. They’ve demonstrated repeatedly that they’re quite happy to live their lives feigning political activism by labelling the opposition the most extreme noun possible.
I am glad that your investment in honesty and integrity is finally paying off. You will see that people respect you, and you will see that in five years you’ll still be standing and you’ll be someone known for, at the very least, being honest. It does pay off.
There are more honest people out there in the public light, but Destiny always hangs out in weird circles where he'll never meet any of them.
On the rare occasion he does meet a cool person, he has them on stream maybe once or twice, like Aella, or IRI, and then doesn't do anything with them, just chats with them once in a year.
Meanwhile he's doing these weird events with the likes of the Intercept, Emma Vigeland, and least of all f-ing Vaush, lol. If I were Destiny, I would not associate with someone who's been within a mile radius of that loser, let alone with the man himself.
I would like him to make friends with people at Vox, Crooked Media, etc. Not sure how, maybe behind the scenes, but with actual smart leftist people with principles and college degrees.
And he should start that media company, but I can already tell you how it's gonna go: he's going to hire young, random weirdos from chat who claim they know what they're doing, he'll be completely aimless in what the company does, and it'll end up just being some glorified add-on to his influencer persona.
@@ReddoFreddo the problem is he can’t not associate with them and be involved in relevant progressive movements. Vaush was there whether destiny wanted him to be or not; his choice was don’t go or accept that he’s going to share the space with dishonest people.
I used to not like Destiny much 10 years ago, but since then he has matured a lot. I don't know Steven personally and probably never will, but I'm glad I was wrong. He's the only one that seems to care and actually goes out and tries to better things and show rationality to young people who are misguided by the Alt-Left or Alt-Right rather then just habitually complaining about the world and thier entitlements/insecurities like JustPearlyThings, Vaush, Ethan Klein, DemonMomma and Hasan do. Empathy and Rationality isn't a privliage, it's a Gift that we should all learn.
Well stated and I agree. In the same boat. Gravitated to him more over the years.
Maybe you weren't wrong, by his own admission he's grown and made efforts to move away from the toxic and troll aspects of his content and personality. I'm glad that he has too as long as he still keeps a little bit of toxicity for those that deserve it. 😉
1 a gift isn't learned, it's given
2 entitlement is disgusting (hence Republicans don't support excessive government handouts)
3 do you feel dumb?
Vaush, Emma and H3 are not complainers wtf are you talking about. Very much reducing lots.
@@MrOpiumDubs h3h3 is an unintelligent spokesperson for the DNC, and when he debated Hason he literally had hason multiple times. He just didn't have the intellect to finish him.
Vaush is obviously a joke.
Emma is starting to wake up, but she works at a company that pushes propaganda.
Very grateful for Destiny and his content.
I'm actually really disappointed in Vaush here. I know some people have really bad opinions about him, but this seemed like such a layup for him to look good. Imagine a different world where he came back, talked about the cool parts of PV, and said that "while Destiny and I have had less than constructive disagreements in the past, I really enjoyed our talk and I hope we can bury the hatchet moving forward. The whole point of this movement is to ally ourself with the left, and I am open to the possibility of that happening in the future." Would that even be an optical L for him? I'm assuming he knows and heard the content of Destiny and Keffal's conversations, and if he tried to be even the least bit constructive, he could probably try to claim credit for that bridge being repaired also. I'm starting to think this guy isn't very good at politics.
You're mad that Vaush didn't wanna befriend Destiny?
@@BushidoBoydbro they’re not mad, they’re just disappointed
@@BushidoBoydit’s not about being friends it’s about not lying and smearing Destiny
@@BushidoBoydno one said to befriend him, but lying JUST DAYS AFTER “coalition building” is fucking insane to me and if you don’t see that you’re a lost cause
@@BushidoBoydWell it’s more disappointment that he can’t even stop lying about him to do one of the most cool canvassing projects we’ve seen
Wasn’t this earlier today? And he’s still live? Jesus August, getting well edited content out before the stream is even done if I’m not mistaken. Nice 👏🏻
Based. I’m a former Vaushite. Made the switch 3 years ago. Ready to canvass in the DC/Baltimore area
You're a good dude, plain and simple.
You are one of very few authentic entities in a world permeated by actors on a self indulgent stage, and that's just one of the reasons you have my respect.
Let's limit that world to the UA-cam lefties sphere, there are plenty of authentic people in the real world but losers gravitate towards the internet. The only reason Destiny is on the internet is because he has weird lower middle class parents, otherwise he would've gone to college and become a dentist or something.
@ReddoFreddo I mean he went to college for music and dropped out (If I recall) to further this career so I don't know how that maps on to what I said
@@ReddoFreddoA dentist or a doctor or a lawyer is not immune to cognitive bias and narcissism. Authenticity is an acquired and practiced trait.
heh you realise he has a woman's name?
Looks like someone has developed a parasocial relationship.
Destiny seems genuinely hurt :(
I'm a traditional conservative and I disagree a lot with you. But you are honest in your debates and pretty fair when it comes to your opinions about conservatives. You are the other side source for me. Not that you'd care, but not all conservatives hate you. Congrats on the growth!
I’m the same way I’m conservative as hell but some how I like how he articulates his side lol I didn’t like him at first but kept watching him n I see him as a smart lib lol
@@MF-es2jw I felt the same way until Nick exposed him
the amount to which vaush seems to think he can see into people's heads and know what their motivations are is insane
He legitimately fancies himself a mind reader.
I started noticing in his media takes. Always telling his chat "you don't like this game,anime,etc."
Have you heard of this.....Mr. Girl
I sympathize with some of Destiny's points here, but specifically when it comes to Vaush likening Destiny's community to Kiwi Farms: Didn't Destiny actually agree with the comparison here? Vaush said that Destiny's community is like Kiwi Farms in that they keep meticulous records of people's past statements and activities, and Destiny accepted that description and argued that it's a reasonable thing to do.
Destiny pointed out that the comparison was made to imply that his community doxxes people and drives them to suicide. People don’t hate kiwi farms because they’re meticulous record keepers. Obviously. They hate them because they drive harassment campaigns and brigade.
okay thats cool. i think you’re hitler 2.0 because you breathe. hope you understand!
Was the record keeping THE thing about kiwi farms that made problematic or was it the harrassment and suicide thing? Vaush uses this intentionally to associated destiny and his community with something far worse than he is at face value stating. Now ask yourself for what purpose is this record keeping is being used? To expose lying manipulators such as vaush, mrgirl or lav. If you are defamed on a weekly basis with intense accusations yes indeed record keeping is a very reasonable thing to do.
At this point, yall HAVE to see that Vaush is nothing but a sophist at this point?
Nah.
He has literally said that he doesn't care about the truth if it is against his goals. It was pretty obvious.
At this point, this point is definitely at this point (at this point)
@@tobiasyoder oh wow. Bad grammar on my part for sho!
@@Canbilly2 haha sorry Idk why I was feeling sassy I guess
I agree buddy. Time for a pat on the back. Your public debates have created so many fans on both right and left. A lot of my intellectual friends have an opinion about you
I remember at least in the youtube comment sections the vast majority of people had nice things to say to Vaush. Why are ideologues such backstabbers.
An ideologue believes the ends always justify the means.
Ideology attracts those who value crusades more than the truth.
Ideologues view outsiders as fair game.
The in group accepts bad behaviour from in-groupers.
The ideology itself will define critics as enemies.
etc
Those are also the properties of tribalism rivalry. But it goes deeper. Those who identify with either group become an unwitting passenger in their own mind, so to speak. Proportional to how identified one is, perception becomes usurped by the group's collective interests especially victory over the competition. Those with identity overlap begin to act as one organism. The organism only tolerates certain in-group narratives and information. It can't tolerate out-group stuff, only attack it. Malfaesance and dishonesty are presumed with conviction, even where there was none. The instinctual intention is to generate rage in the host , which likely have had some evolutionary benefit at some point in the past. But it's all just experienced as objective reality. (This is generally speaking , not particularly about anything having to do with Destiny or Vauch.) @@aarondavis8943
Confused at what you are getting at, but these comments seem cultish. They agree Vaush is good and useful when Destiny says so. When Destiny is upset, they say he is a snake and sound deranged, lol.
Because it’s about him. The ideas are just an engine.
Remember all those times in history when socialists slaughtered millions of people? That's why.
DestinyVaush shippers in shambles
Vaush got me into Destiny and now I can't even watch vaush anymore. Its heartbreaking and incredibly stupid at the same time
stop following ideologues like a lost puppy
@@nickb1762 okay
I’m one of those weird conservative Destiny watchers, and Ive realized the reason I like watching him is because I can get the opposite perspective from my own (in most cases), which I think is important, from a source that I know is almost always grounded, reasonable, and charitable.
I couldn’t possibly get that perspective consistently from a source like Vaush or Hassan and feel like I got an honest take. In fact, I’ve yet to run across a far leftist/socialist/commie type where I felt I could get their perspective honestly with no obfuscation. And that’s super unfortunate, because the lack of that source has left my own ability to argue against these perspectives much weaker, because in most cases it’s hard to pin down what these people even actually believe. And when I do nail down a belief, it’s either incoherent or insanely radical.
I just want to know how a Vaush viewer can watch this and still defend him. As much as I love the friendship memes it is so doomed😔
Vaush viewers (not Vaush and Destiny viewers) simply don’t watch this content. That’s what Destiny was getting at is that if he took a hardcore Vaush fan and showed them a little bit of his content or even this video, they probably wouldn’t defend him.
All mention of Destiny, good or bad is banned in Vaush's reddit, and I assume that extends to his chat as well. They are insulated from any outside information. So when Vaush does his simulacrum thing where he goes "Ah yes, Destiny was an angry sophistic fascist while I was trying my best to be nice." They just believe it. Very few will go out of their comfortable spaces to seek out opposing views. There's also a mindset that streams cultivate in their audiences. The way Destiny often seeks to understand his debate opponents views and talks to so many different types of people will prime his audience to be more willing to see the other side. Meanwhile someone like Vaush is going around saying X political side is fully evil.
As someone who watches both of them, I just don’t care for the petty drama. This doesn’t affect me. Destiny should just move on from him and hasan
I'm a vaush viewer.
I'm not that much invested in the personal beefs.
I don't care if must of the left wants to murder each other, I just want to see them become more effective at spreading progressive views and pushing back against dangerous republican talking points and policies. That's the only thing that matters.
@@TheBostonboy95
> Destiny should just move on from him and hasan
Since you say that, that means you think he hasn't moved on. What changes could Destiny make that would make you say that he has moved on?
Destiny subjected me to abuse for a long time. He forced me to witness the train wreck known as lav. I don't think I can ever be the same after going through that.
@petertruong5878 I'm not really sure how realizing lav is just bad in general has any relevance to my preference in women but ok
Calling out Vaush's crazy-making in real time would be a career-ender in a just world.
Destiny: "Vaush is unchartible to me"
Also destiny (30 seconds later): 6:36
Crazy that you don't link the other prediction which Destiny immediately got right. This is verifiably true or false within like a week, and just to get ahead of accusations. Something Vaush has literally already done in response to this video saying "wow destiny is so obsessed with me"
@@seanscott1308 What other prediction? I mean you gotta recognize that making an hour and a half video in response to someone mentioning you a few times kinda makes you look obsessed.
@@whyuask1786 I guess I can summarize the jist of the video if you haven't watched it. Destiny accuses Vaush of continuously and repeatedly outright lying about his character. And that by doing so has poisoned the well to absurd degrees.
Progressive Voice is offering an opportunity to massively expand canvassing efforts, which Destiny is heavily invested in, but in his mind, the partner he is obligated to work with is acting cordial in front of him, then immediately going back to his audience, blatantly lying about Destiny's character, and then talking shit, while refusing to actually engage to any degree at all.
That's what Destiny is saying, "From my perspective, Vaush has continuously and repeatedly lied about me. Here are examples of why his statements are completely false. Here are examples of how I've treated him much better. I'm not sure I can work with him if he continues to do this bullshit. I want to be able to, but he is so bad faith, I don't know how. And I know in response to this, all Vaush is going to say is "wow isn't Destiny so obsessed". If Vaush claims I am at fault for blowing this all up, that isn't true. I want to be able to work with Vaush, but I have basic standards. How can I work with some who has me blocked on twitter, blatantly and purposefully lies about my character, actively sabotages my political efforts, and often refuses to even mention my name"
Like, yea, Destiny has a good reason to respond here. This isn't petty drama, its a massive issue, and one where at the very least Vaush has some fault, and in my opinion is completely in the wrong and acting like a manipulative asshole
@@seanscott1308 Ok, for starters chillax.
I am not familar with destiny very much (I just don't like watching him) but I do know that him and his community lie about vaush, so even if I take you at your word and accept that Vaush lies about Destiny all we have is two monkeys throwing shit at each other... and from my perspective the Vaush monkey doesn't really instagate it that much.
"I want to be able to work with Vaush, but I have basic standards." Then starve him, if Vaush is this money hungry villain asshole, then Destiny shouldn't talk about him, he should rise above it. Co-workers don't have to be friends to accomplish shared goals. Destiny certainly shouldn't make an hour-and-a-half-long video because vaush talked about him for a few minutes. At most he should have made like a 15 min video where he just laughed about how vaush is totally being stupid. It doesn't even look like he talks about the vaush video for the first hour. I mean you gotta realize what that looks like right? like somebody trashes you so you decide to make a video about them, but it takes you nearly an hour to actually talk about the video in question.
@@whyuask1786 Quickly, this video isn't just about vaush? It's about progressive victory as a whole. Yea, this is an hour and a half video, but its not like "lets drag out the 3 minutes of vaush talking for a full 90". Theres a lot more to cover
I think the whole idea that "Destiny is so obsessed with Vaush" is just dumb. Destiny streams like 40 hours a week and covers Vaush like 7-8 times a year?
That's him being obsessed? It's just such a stupid narrative. Whether or not the following is true. If Destiny genuinely believes "Vaush has been the second biggest well poisoner towards me, ever", it's almost like covering him makes sense. If he genuinely believes "If I am part of this group, and I get into "drama" and the entirety of them, my own partners, begin attacking me, it grinds this entire thing I deeply care for to a halt. I can't take that kind of risk. There is no effort from them to show actual unity". Yea, it's worth covering.
I understand disagreeing with Destiny about the substance of his claims. For example, maybe destiny is wrong and they shit fling equally. The issue is the idea that him covering this is inherently illegitimate and not just a bad take.
Addition: Also you don't need to respond, cause I realize my comment (and the previous) got pretty in the weeds, and if you don't care about the video and its content, thats cool.
Really appreciate all you do destiny. Your story your principles and your follow-through towards politics a rock-solid❤
Weirdly feel motivated to get out of my comfort zone and actually do something politically in the real world. This was super cool to hear your thought process behind your work, keep it up!!!
We could always use more canvassers! Connect with your local party wing, get them to give you a list and a script and hit the streets.
45:37 This is just sickening. I can't fathom how people even see Destiny and Vaush as being in the same league. The fact that this kind of thing gets Vaush increased viewership is so telling about who he is as a content creator.
Snakey snake oil salesman is unfortunately Vaush’s default and core character trait so there’s just no way around this divide between him and normal good faith humans
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I luv that this is the same two-faced guy who said "what fights on the internet do we have?", I hope people will stop coping with all this "the coalition event will totally get them to kiss and make up" shit.
i noticed online there are those who treat it like "game of thrones" or "highlander" where there most only be one, where it has to be a fight to the death. and then there are those who believe a rising tide raises all boats and are willing to help others climb to the top as well, drop a rope, make anchors for others.
@@theprofesionalist7927 I thought he was joking about that fighting comment
@@WanderTheNomad Even if he was trying to lighten the mood that's the only kind of joke you should make when it's all water under the bridge and you're not planning on returning to your backstabbing antics the very next day.
It is actually disgusting how manipulative Vaush is. I've never made this comparison but he is literally the abusive boyfriend that gaslights the frak out of their partner and then makes them look crazy when they try to talk to anyone about it. I've always had a low expectation of Vaush but I don't know why anyone would want to work with him after his relentless sexist comments that made international headlines? Doesn't that hurt PV? Yeah, no. He needs to either apologize or go away from this project.
"destiny" thinks the working class are filthy scum who don't deserve a living wage. whatever anyone can say to discredit him and his dangerous egomaniacal political project is moral regardless of the tactics. the outcome of vaush's "disgusting" manipulation is that less people will be homeless and starving, while destiny's very civilly communicated policy prescriptions leave millions to die in a ditch. no surprise though, the aesthetics of civility have always been the only thing liberals care about. choose your side of history
All of the commies are manipulative and dishonest. That’s the only way they can control any situation.
@@philosphorusBruh chill, Destiny is bi so he gets to say shit like that plus he’s insulted himself so who cares.
@@philosphorus As if I give a single flying fuck what a dude said over a thousand years ago about modern day sexual dynamics
@@philosphorus Nigga touch some grass
I wasn't THAT big on Vaush but i got into the whole debate sphere through him. I thought he was pretty based and well spoken, and thought Destiny was a crazy purple-haired nonbinary weirdo. That any conversion with 'them' would be a screaming match... basically: a troll. So one day I checked him out out of curiosity. And here we are, love this man. He really seems someone I could talk with for hours irl. As a hippyish woman i don't always love his aggresiveness, but as a philosophy-enjoyer i love his intellectual honesty (...except for veganism imo). Especially now that he's in his chill era. It's insane how Vaush misrepresented him, and I would be very upset....
Its interesting and nice to hear destiny recap and assert his confidence in the space. We usually see it in practice, and he does mention it every now and then, but seeing him take pride in his community's growth and the political events he's hosted (not to mention that there's evidence of him actually doing stuff) is really refreshing and reassuring
In light of the recent Vaush *incident,* just wanted to say Destiny describes Vaush’s response to everything TO A TEE. He pulled the same simulacrum bs on Ethan.
So disappointing. I felt that discussion at the White House went so well and Vaush immediately turns around and starts his BS again...I guess I was naive to expect anything different
He's a commie, what did you expect?
Huge respect for you man, you've helped me immensely in shaping my own individual thought patterns and instilling good habits :)
Hopefully you are a Christian now ✝️
@@jackpaul3315 I am not
Well put, and I second this!
This is the most predictable outcome from someone who is a long time viewer. We all knew this was gonna happen, Vaush is the most predictable snake on the planet.
I watch both Destiny and Vaush. Vaush should own up to some past behavior, especially the sexism stuff which has definitely become a recurring YIKES. I do however feel like destiny is being too harsh or is reading too much into some comments.
For example, Vaush commented that he believes Destiny was on his switch a lot. Destiny talks about this comment as if Vaush is purposely saying this to make him look bad, but that’s just not the tone or vibe I’m getting when Vaush says that. Feels like Vaush is just trying to be entertaining for his stream and the way he framed that comment wasn’t negative .
The switch comments on their own would just a lighthearted jab, if that was all he said there would be no problem. But since the entire rest of monologue is him critizising destiny it doesn't really feel like a joke, it feels like a weaker punch.
But that was destiny's point. Vaush is EXTREMELY good at using a tone where he's not intentionally trying to make someone look bad. He says it like he's just saying it in passing and it's just a matter of fact. The reality is its all very intentional. That's why it's so manipulative. He's doing it for a reason and it's cowardly af
"The satiation of his feeling of intellectual superiority takes precedence over anything material in a debate whether or not it's actually true."
The reason why he says this is because in Vaush's mind, he assumes that his opinions are automatically correct and true, so it must be impossible for someone as rational as Destiny to have any other opinion than the correct opinion(Vaush's opinion). Any attempt to argue a conclusion other than the one Vaush has must therefore be an argument in bad faith.
what a world we live in where I’m actually impressed that Keffals did a lot to build a bridge with Destiny while Vaush was just there for … wait why was he there?
For clout, obviously.
Hour and a half of Destiny understanding progressive social media usage
these men are in their mid 30s
I'm often frustrated by Destiny and his willingness to give too much credit to absolutely awful people. He's like not learning from mistakes. Vaush, MrGirl, Lav and so many other insane people who were treated really nicely by Destiny just to put a knife in his back later... But then I remind myself that his ability to look at other people and try to see good in them, try to give them second chance - this is what makes him so special. Not many people would be so open and willing to forgive. Even now, I feel I would be furious at Vaush, while Destiny is still kinda - if we gonna work together, you need to do this and that. I would be like: there's no "if's", just F... OFF at this point! It's amazing and I still can't decide if it's Destiny's greatest strenght or weakness. Maybe both at the same time.
Sneako and Zherka
Bro walked into the red wedding. He needed to ask for these concessions up front.
Tbf he will tell you it’s all content
You could have put quotes to end your comment, come on now :p
We wanted the Vaush bridge. We got the Keffals bridge. We'll take it.
Imagine being okay with keffals because of a private apology, maybe some admission of guilt, or maybe, just maybe trying to genuinely campaign to get destiny and kiwifarms unbanned? But no just saying sorry hehe 100k mine on the corpses of trans people is suddenly okay, ultimate cuck behavior
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Crazy how i went from a solid socialists vaush fan to a ride-or-die Social Democrat destiny fan
Kinda me too, going through that rn. Given that their main disagreement is socialism vs social democracy, do you think maybe there is a middle ground. Asking your oppinion honestly. Vaush preaches market socialism. Do you think there is a reality that includes markets and cooperatives together in a way that they would both vibe with? I feel like both destiny and vaush talk in binaries about this issue. What if under certain circumstances a business must democratize like after it becomes a certain size. Idk I'm an idiot. Just doesn't sit right with me that we either accept the current system with minor changes as permenant (destiny) , or going full market socialism(vaush). Is it really one or the other? Are we just having to decide between one you tubers idea or another? Feels like that when reading destiny fans comments and vaush comments.
@@shafferfs nah Destiny doesnt really preach labels like vaush but encourages his audience to think for themselves. It's why there are multiple purges because people disagree with him lmao
Just take the good ideas from wherever you find them instead of being loyal to a team. It's what destiny himself does
same lol
still a sheep tho
@@EbicGames
I think they mean teams in terms of ideologies. Like he is progressive for sure but he has conservative views pertaining to gun ownership and self defense. He also doesn’t give a pass to illegal immigration like some lefties do and he is a big time capitalist. He’s also a heavy free speech person and anti cancel culture shit unlike some of the far left and far right people seem to be.
I think with the DNC v GOP he just thinks that the GOP made their bed with Trump and now they get to lay in it. I’m sure if there was somebody as unhinged and deranged as Trump but on the left and the DNC made their bed with that person, he’d say they get to lay in it as well.
This is like a WWE storyline. Expected but still shocking
Whenever I wanna make someone mad I'm probably gonna copy Vaush's strategy of saying literally anything I want about that person and then saying they're obsessed with me when they respond
How Vaush has any audience whatsoever is beyond me
As someone who watches far more Vaush videos than should be allowed his audience is extremely insulated against everything going on outside their own bubble. Vaush fosters this community by curating everything that’s allowed on stream and in his community.
It’s like asking why Fox News have such a large viewer base. The answer is because they exist in an alternate reality where truth has no meaning. If the world really existed like Vaush describes it on stream it wouldn’t be surprising to hear so much vitriol but it’s all a constructed reality that only exists in his community.
Edit: just finished watching and destiny says exactly this at the end so now I look dumb 🫨 but ye that’s the answer.
This shouldn't be a surprise considering the US ranks one of the lowest in first world countries when it comes to education.
I think it's more an addiction to community than appreciation for him.
My favorite Vaush chatter at 1:28:03 from fumb_datass was “vaush you call them kiwi farmers but admit they’re actually pretty nice” which is correct chatter Vaush has always been at war with Eastasia since the beginning of the party
So effectively, he's gaslighting you? As someone who has watched a lot of Vaush, I fully agree that he plans everything he says and the way he says it to achieve a goal. He does seem very manipulative, even if he has good points some of the time. I've also noticed he acts differently when he's in a room with people compared to in his bedroom. In his bedroom he will mouth off and talk loads of trash but in person he's suddenly personable and reasonable.
Edit: You are blowing your own trumpet a lot here but if what you say is true, please never quit because you're one of the few genuinely positive influences in a space full of grifters, mentally ill weirdos and psychopaths.
Second edit: This is why nothing gets achieved. The politicians are just doing what the corporate donors and their rich mates say. The rest are either apathetic or aggressively polarised psychos who hate everyone who isn't in their tiny community and will never be able to work with anyone to achieve anything.
good comment and I agree
@@nozers Thank you sir
Waiting for 3rd edit
Yes, gaslight, bridgeburn, girlboss -- that's Vaush alright.
He thinks that about ur community bc they give opinions about people and they're blunt.
If folks cant handle blunt feedback maybe they shouldn't put themselves directly infront of millions of people. Folks just won't like you no matter what u do or say. U gotta be ok with that or youll be some nervous wreck.
People always love this argumemt line that you cant handle blunt critcism. Its never blunt, its usually cynical, vindictive andoften bad faith and destiny also complains about the criticism in his subreddit. And the funy thing is people like you like beinf handled with pillow gloves on.
@@waynewayne8419 ah the ole "let's test this guy and his comment" trick 🤣
Everyone on the net will always have what to say. 🙄 kinda like you here. Eh?
Found the hasan enjoyer@@waynewayne8419
Most interesting video in awhile. The debates ans conversations are more entertaining but these types of videos are my favorite. They go through thought processes and make people who are willing to be advocate actively participate. It's not me personally I'm lazy and in NJ so it's blue anyway
Not trying to Glaze but Destiny is infinitely more coherent in debates than Vaush.
Vaush will resort to petty debate tactics when he's backed into the corner rather than conceding to something reasonable.
Destiny isn’t perfect, but I think generally he argues from a position where he could have his mind changed, especially if he’s getting that same energy back from the other side. I doubt Destiny is 100percent on any one belief or how he views any topic. One of the things I appreciate about him. Most, if not all of his opponents are totally dug in, and will die on the hill they’re defending. Destiny has the debate silver bullet in his chamber, he can say “oh ok, I was wrong” or “good point, I can see coming your way in this”.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's not married to his ideas so much that he'll defend them to at the expense of foregoing all basic logic. There are many political commentators that say they're introspective and willing change their mind but rarely is it ever exhibited during a debate. @@jamessinclair2584
Destiny ruined vaush for me.
In a good way.
Wasn't the whole thing about working together and now the bridge is burned
Was the bridge actually ever rebuilt?
@@socomchamp00 nope
@@socomchamp00nope, they were just yelling across the burnt bridge. It was a brief step up from not even going to where the bridge once was lol
Vaush's comments basically indicate that there was never any intention of rebuilding. Not to mention the drama farmers who watch both streams with the sole intention of sniping comments.
What Destiny describes in the beginning as “crazy making” is literally what gaslighting means.
the fact that he called out the "he's obsessed" while vaush literally did it at the same time on his stream is hilarious
Vaush fan here, can confirm that Destinys community has treated me with incredible toxicity despite me being a fan of both.
okay..? is there like examples of what happened to you cause like everyone on the internet is mean to everyone haha there's levels to it and sometimes you might deserve it so no one knows unless you post what exactly happened people aren't just bullying you out of nowhere ur saying something to get people on u thats how the internet usually works
So, much like IrishLaddie/Vaush, you're a thin-skinned, sensitive person who can't take a joke? Please correct me if I'm wrong
@@johannesstephanusroos4969 This thread is being recorded to prove a point lmao. Immediately into the ad homs, because literally any criticism has you fanboys screeching.
@@guycd1 uhh, I'd consider myself a Vaush fan and you look weird here. Yea, Vaush and Destiny fans are rude to each other. and?
@@seanscott1308 Just saying Destiny fans are far more toxic so the kiwifarms thing isn't particularly incorrect. Being in both communities I've seen much more positive engagement from Vaushs, and I'm going to use this comment as evidence.
Ngl...Im a huge destiny fan and havent watch vaush for about 2 years... however, i watched his video on this and it seemed pretty harmless. It doesnt seem like he cares too much about the beef and he just has his opinions about destiny...
Destiny on the other hand seems to take all this very seriously and wont let anything slide...
But the thing is... all Vaush had to do was close his fucking mouth. He knows destiny is going to watch and hear him.
Idk why he would even consider doing all that on stream right after the event when destiny hadnt even said shit about him in a negtive light. The only reason i can think of is to get a reaction.
Why should Destiny let Vaush's behaviour slide?
@@michaelh878 some things just aren't worth time?
I don't think that making up straight lies about destiny's audience (including you) in his recent comment is something harmless. Why would he do that? Also, that gaslighting prediction from Destiny was just Amazin
Has it occurred to you Vaush IS in fact baiting you? Negative attention is still attention. Be cognizant you have a bigger reach and audience, use the Gray rock method with him and he'll fade away
6:33 “he’s trying to make me look obsessed and crazy” destiny my guy, you literally do that on your own.
Yes, Destiny is obsessed with the guy that gets one third of his viewership monthly and was a complete failure to mobilize his audience.
@@ilaretro363true he is lmao you’d think being a bigger name would cause destiny to forget about vaush but destiny still somehow has more videos on vaush than vice versa
Vaush makes up lie on stream.
Destiny reacts to stream and refutes the lie.
Wow Destiny is obsessed with Vaush!!!
@@erxen2 the fact that vaush is the main person he feels he NEEDS to refute proves he’s obsessed if vaush is soo small nd irrelevant why does destiny even care? Nd why does he have more videos on vaush and hasan than they do of him?
@@TheBostonboy95can we shut the fuck up with this “obsessed” game? as far as im concerned its an excuse for people like you to totally ignore the content of whatever is being said.
im sure vaush would be proud.
Happy to see everything going so well since I've been watching in 2015. Never would have imagined you could change and evolve so much, and that you're here doing all this irl political stuff now.
I’m a conservative and love Destiny.
Keffals > Vaush who would’ve thought. This season has been great
Dude its hilarious hearing Vaush gaslight everyone and Destiny created a new word for it.
It's called gaslighting. Vaush does it. Call it what it is.
that's what I thought. Did he call it "crazy making" or something? 😂
@@Adam-zh4hm Well I guess Trump is the master of "crazy making." If thats the sort of thing you're in to...
As someone who is newly into politics and new to Destiny, with base knowledge of Vaush and Minority Report-
100% sounds like you're the scapegoat if it fails, and getting next to nothing if it succeeds.
But again, im just a newbie to a lot of this, so im just giving the newbie take.
I never would have predicted that as hard as Destiny and Keffals went at each other, that they would make peace faster than Vaush can. It's wild.
It is very refreshing to see Destiny put up good and clear barriers. He will be completly fine without people like Vaush.
I mean not really clear barriers. I mean they are now, but they clearly weren't to vaush/Emma prior to event
@@pr3historic647 Are you socially inept?
I'd love to see Vaush and Destiny collab again. It sucks Vaush can't get past his ego.
It’s too far now, destiny might be able to compartmentalise but I won’t watch anything he does with vaush. Even if they became mushy again, I just can’t stand hearing the dude talk
Why? Vaush is useless. No idea how he has any community left.
i do not agree with destiny but at least he is honest in who he is
Destiny trying not to be a reasonable chad challenge, difficulty: impossible
People often misunderstand psychological projection, it isn't "I'm rubber you're glue ..." (it can be that) - but it's far more common. Essentially, when you only use yourself as a reference for assessing internal motivations (which most people do) you end up revealing yourself rather than actually scrutinizing somebody else directly. So either Vaush, when he imagines his mind in what he thinks Destiny's circumstance to be, Essentially would behave the way he accuses Destiny of behaving or somebody he turns to for counsel on these matters would. Without some real evidence and humint experience, most cold reading is projection and/or pattern recognition. Vaush hardly even cold reads, he seems to rely on learned profile tropes and pure projection of his own mind to fill in the gaps. Creators tend to attract similar people to them, and perhaps intimidate others into Stockholmesque worship - so it's easy to convince a bunch of egoists that thier projections are valid and therefore so too are thier "insights" into the minds of people they know little about.
Dude keep doing what you are doing, people are afraid of you because you crush them with your intellect. You are a true super hero :)
Nothing proves youre not obsessed like an hour and a half video
not seeing enough comments about it so shoutout to any keffals viewers in here. lets try and work our stuff out, imagine the ratios to be had if dgg and kgg teamed up
It’s actually fascinating how adamant Vaush is to keep the destiny bridge burnt. I think his ego is too massive rn maybe once he matures and humbles up a bit, he’ll stop being such a scumbag hahaha
I don’t blame destiny for not wanting to work with vaush for misrepresenting him.
But as someone who started off watching vaush mainly then got more into destiny around the Rittenhouse debate and have now leaned more toward his content and political stance the vaush, I just find the idea that destiny doesn’t misrepresent vaush as kind of laughable if you pay close enough attention .
Ds rhetoric around vaushs moral philosophy has lead him to misrepresent his stances on utilitarianism many times while not showing clips for context.
Also iv noticed every now and then D will kind of lump vaush, Hassan , and tankies in the same group. I think he’s been slipping up and doing this everynow and then because Hassan seems to recently be leaning more toward tankie/pro china socialist bent and Hassan/Vaush are the twin dragons of lefty well poisoning in Ds mind.
Now to be clear I agree they do well poisoning/misrepresent and I do think that shit will destroy a coalition, but the behaviors of misrepresentation are present on all ends.
That said Destiny does have more leverage in the situation and his criticism of vaush are broadly accurate so I’m not mad at him throwing his weight around a bit more but some criticism are def better than other
It just feel like D is doing a bit of a slight of hand when he start with “Vaush misrepresents me” then quickly moves to “and I don’t misrepresent vaush (and if I do it’s not consequential)”
Lastly I will die on the hill of Destiny trying to criticize Vaush around the sexism/JK rolling stuff is the MOST laughable.
I could be wrong but I don’t remember him ever actually looking into the drama, just vaguely mentioning it while saying vaush had to be wrong because he got into it with contra points and brigaded her after with his fans.
Aside from D fairly recent community rule changes that are better for women these mf are so equivalently misogynist.
Vaush is so egoistic, instead of building bridges and coalitions and using other platforms to help his grow, he rather let his channel and lifestyle slowly die because he lost a debate like 2 years ago. Dudes channel is on life-support and I think it's best to just cut your losses and let the guy fade away. Unfortunate because he had a lot of potential
Vaush calling anyone a sophist is just wow.
Vaush is the quintessential sophist.