Ikr? Fuck Tresla and. Forget Honda and Toyota. Hyundai/Kia/Genesis has been killing it lately. The crv is only now catching up. The ioniq 5 is asexy af!
The KIA’s lower ride height allows it to be more efficient which ends up with better economy. The Santa Fe ride height allows it to be the better of the 2 for off-road use. Hyundai seems to tune for a softer ride, while KIA goes for sporty. Depending on your need, either is a great choice.
Our family has owned two Sorentos in the last decade, a 2013 model and our current 2018 version. Each is an SX top trim. It's my wife's daily driver and our family's long trip vehicle. Suffice to say that we (and especially my wife) love our Sorento. If I suggest replacing it, my wife's eyes narrow suspiciously. The new generation is undeniably more attractive and the non-hybrid 2.5L turbo engine that replaces the V6 is a win/win with better mileage and performance. The hybrid and PHEV versions of current generation add to its charms. But if I insisted that we replace our Sorento with a different vehicle I'd probably have to pry my wife's cold dead fingers off the steering wheel. We're a small family of two adults, a teenage daughter and a large dog. It might be surprising to Zach that one of the benefits of our Sorento is the third row of seats. We don't use it often, no more than 10% of the time, if that. But it's a huge convenience for local missions when we have 6 or 7 passengers (e.g. chauffeuring a gaggle of teenagers) and the alternative is taking two vehicles. And while the 3rd row is cramped, it's worth noting that our Sorento provides more overall legroom than a Toyota Highlander including 2" more legroom in the third row. All in all it's a "Goldilocks" vehicle for our family. Great for trips for our family of four (including "Fido") and just the right size for navigating the jungle of local urban/suburban traffic and parking for up to 7 passengers. Having said all that it pains me to say that we would not even consider replacing our current Sorento with the new generation vehicle. The reason? KIA has shot itself in the foot by offering a second row bench only in the lowest trims (LX and S) of the gasoline only version and not at all in the hybrid or PHEV models. Even worse, opting for any Sorento with a bench second row offers only the sluggish naturally aspirated 4 cylinder engine and eliminates a host of other amenities. Furthermore, for us second row captain chairs doesn't reduce the two row seating to four humans. Instead, it reduces the total capacity to three humans since "Fido" isn't "built" to fit in a captain chair. Our only alternatives would be to put our dog in the rear cargo hold or deploy the seldom used third row for him. And as Zach points out, the latter choice all but eliminates the cargo space for gear and luggage on a trip. And the alternative of putting "Fido" in the cargo hold severely compromises its capacity, as well. Apparently, KIA's market research led the designers to conclude that the only consumers who preferred a second row bench seat were those with larger families and constrained budgets. That might be the case for some but our small family who would otherwise opt for a mid or top trim Sorento consider a second row bench to be a necessity. The fact that KIA has opted to eliminate that choice means we won't consider replacing our current Sorento with another one. Unless KIA designers come to their senses and offer a second row bench in mid and upper trims of the gasoline Sorento and in versions of the hybrid and PHEV models, we'll be holding onto our last generation Sorento and when we replace it, we won't be looking for another.
I would just get a top of the line Sante Fe instead. Not only will you get your seating configurations as you require, but you will also saver thousands, as the top trim Kia costs over $4K more then the Hyundai top trim before taxes.
@@Al-qn3sj That's not the case. At least not in the US. A top trim Santa Fe (Calligraphy) MSRP ranges from $41,110 (FWD) to $42,810 (AWD). The corresponding to trim Sorento (SX Prestige) ranges from $41,190 to $43,190 plus destination charges.
Great review! Kia and Hyundai should up the size of their batteries to compete better with Toyota. Maybe the ride height is a factor for the difference in efficiency... changing the aerodynamics.
I don’t expect this market to grow as much as manufacturers would like. I do respect Kia and Hyundai for trying though. Thanks for another comparison video.
Great review as always guys! A few things. On both of these, can you keep the car in EV mode like you can with the RAV4 Prime? I have a Prime and I bought it because I can keep it in EV mode (stays in EV mode even when flooring the car up to 84mph). Most of the PHEVs I’ve driven will click into hybrid mode if you hit the gas too hard asking for more power…I’m loving the Kia. Love the captain’s chairs in the rear versus a bench as I have 2 kids, so don’t need the bench…wish more would offer this option, OR a pass through (my son plays hockey so the captains chairs make it easier to fit sticks!). When we travel as as family right now, I need to put a box on the roof of the RAV4 to fit all his goalie gear and our luggage. Other than that, the RAV4 Prime is ideal for my daily commute of 20 miles since I never use gas unless on a long trip….As for the difference in efficiency with these two vehicles, with the extra ground clearance in the Hyundai, it’s sitting up higher and creates more drag…a killer for car efficiency. I’m guessing that’s where the difference comes from. Lastly, how is the storage in the Kia compared to a RAV4 Prime? Seems there is a lot more in the Kia?
the 10.25 inch display is available around the world on the plug-in Santa Fe. I saw it, for instance in reviews out of the UK and Switzerland, for instance. It's just Canada that seems to miss out, but definitely not a US exclusive.
My family is enjoying our 2022 Santa Fe PHEV more and more each day. Huge comfortable cabin built to accommodate full size Canadians. Then We get 75 MPG to boot. Whats not to like ??
....The inconvenience and resale. And that’s enough for me not to consider. For some people, in certain circumstances, Plug-in hybrid technology might make sense though.
@@kellingtonlink956 We are ideally situated with a 41 KM commute to use the EV range to the max. Also we have a convenient plug in at home. Just seconds to connect or unplug on the way by.
Below is a copy and paste from a Tucson PHEV forum...Tucson uses the same drivetrain and hybrid platform as the Santa Fe. Great tips for keeping your Santa Fe PHEV in EV mode in the cold winter temps. "We got our Tucson PHEV Ultimate just before we had a cold snap (-10c/-15c). Yes in EV mode only the engine will stay on if the HVAC is on. So my wife warms up the cabin then turns off the HVAC. The engine immediately turns off. The heated seats and the heated steering wheel run off the battery so she always has that on. Now that the temps are warmer (L:3c / H:7c), the EV stays on most of the time. We found that turning the HVAC to low fan, setting the cabin temp to 19c, the engine stays off for the most part. At first we were initially disappointed that the HVAC had to run off the engine but now the vehicle stays on EV 90% of the time and we are very happy. After 570kms we are getting 3.3L/100kms and that continues to drop. This is really how hybrids work and we have owned a few in the past. The 2022 PHEV Tucson is by far the best hybrid we have had."
I’m pretty skeptical about the Kia having more storage space - the Santa Fe has basically the entire space the 3rd row seats in the Kia take up as underfloor storage, which I don’t think is included in the storage space numbers.
Great comparison!! I heard somewhere that the Sorento doesn’t have an EV-only setting, only ECO that runs the engine if you turn on the AC. Is this a difference between these two SUVs?
Because of the captains chairs in the 2nd row, can I now it a stroller if some sort in the aisle way? The back storage looks too small for any type of stroller.
The Sorento has a packaging problem in Canada. We recently ordered a Santa Fe PHEV but actually preferred the Sorento PHEV... but to get memory seats, you have to go all the way up to the SX trim which is ~6500 more than the Luxury trim of the Santa Fe. We couldn't justify that. If memory seats were included in the EX+ trim, we would have bought the Sorento.
I’ve commented on another one of your EV videos. The federal rebate is not tied to size of batteries. It is tied to km range which is above 50km range and below 50 km. Above gets the full $5K and anything below gets $2.5K.
It's funny, because in the Korean market, both of these come with 5,6 or 7 passenger seating options. There's no reason they couldn't at least offer them there too.
Great comparison/review! Thank you. When the new 2023 Sportage PHEV comes out, would you please do the same comparison/review with it vs. the Tucson PHEV?
Given Vancouver's Hyundai and Kia dealers are on different tiers, that means different kinds of sales and after-sales service. Although Kia always looks better, and drives sportier than equivalent Hyundai. Hyundai is a safer bet in Vancouver area because of their tier-1 dealer group owns while Kia always owns by tier-2 dealer group with iffy services. So my take has to be Santa Fe in this case. I would settle for lesser service if its a Telluride.
Currently a KIA owner in Vancouver after purchasing my KIA at the local KIA dealership early last year. Definitely considering to bring my car to a private auto service instead of getting the KIA dealership service for oil change and other things for the same reason you mentioned.
Ugh. I dislike it when they put captain’s chairs in the second row … making five person transport awkward and tight, without an option for a bench. Not for me. The MDX has the second/third row figured out right IMO.
Besides truck based huge behemoth 3 rows SUV only minivans offer decent third row even for adults and nice luggage volume. Among PHEV vehicles only Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid PHEV offer frugal ride with required space for 5 kids.
I agree 100%. 2nd-row captain's chairs drive me nuts with my family of 5. And as you said, top trims of so many 3-row SUVs come ONLY with 2nd-row captain's chairs. Only Ford Explorer (ST? Any other trims?) offer a bench seat instead of captain's chairs (except MDX). It's such an unnecessary penalty for families of 5. But the MDX does it right, so that's probably what I'll get at some point when cars are selling for Monroney or less.
A proper five seater vs a four seater (with two seats for kids). If Kia had bench seats, it was a no brainer. Now, for an extra seat, you are compromising a lot of cargo space.
why do you use so much Imperial measurement? I go to Canadian reviewers to get Canadian information. 2 additional cubic feet of cargo capacity means nothing to me, until I convert it to 56 litres. I know I'm not alone with this.
@@Kered-9 I'm not saying Canadians only use metric or Imperial measure, but you can get Imperial measure from any number of US sites. I turn to Canadian media to get metric (even if in addition to Imperial). Just curious, do you also use MPG?
the luxury Santa Fe is a joke like last year, no navigation on top trim, no heads up display on top trim, same small 8 inch info screen even on top trim, Hyundai Canada sucks, in the US and the rest of the world you get these options, just not in Canada eh?
As a first time Hyundai and Kia owner, These are the only brands that are making vehicles that I like and would actually buy.
Ikr? Fuck Tresla and. Forget Honda and Toyota. Hyundai/Kia/Genesis has been killing it lately. The crv is only now catching up. The ioniq 5 is asexy af!
When it comes to exterior design I gotta give it to the Kia
The KIA’s lower ride height allows it to be more efficient which ends up with better economy. The Santa Fe ride height allows it to be the better of the 2 for off-road use. Hyundai seems to tune for a softer ride, while KIA goes for sporty. Depending on your need, either is a great choice.
Wayne makes an important observation regarding ride quality. I'd rather have more comfort and trade off some handling so I'd buy the Hyundai.
Our family has owned two Sorentos in the last decade, a 2013 model and our current 2018 version. Each is an SX top trim. It's my wife's daily driver and our family's long trip vehicle. Suffice to say that we (and especially my wife) love our Sorento. If I suggest replacing it, my wife's eyes narrow suspiciously. The new generation is undeniably more attractive and the non-hybrid 2.5L turbo engine that replaces the V6 is a win/win with better mileage and performance. The hybrid and PHEV versions of current generation add to its charms. But if I insisted that we replace our Sorento with a different vehicle I'd probably have to pry my wife's cold dead fingers off the steering wheel.
We're a small family of two adults, a teenage daughter and a large dog. It might be surprising to Zach that one of the benefits of our Sorento is the third row of seats. We don't use it often, no more than 10% of the time, if that. But it's a huge convenience for local missions when we have 6 or 7 passengers (e.g. chauffeuring a gaggle of teenagers) and the alternative is taking two vehicles. And while the 3rd row is cramped, it's worth noting that our Sorento provides more overall legroom than a Toyota Highlander including 2" more legroom in the third row. All in all it's a "Goldilocks" vehicle for our family. Great for trips for our family of four (including "Fido") and just the right size for navigating the jungle of local urban/suburban traffic and parking for up to 7 passengers.
Having said all that it pains me to say that we would not even consider replacing our current Sorento with the new generation vehicle. The reason? KIA has shot itself in the foot by offering a second row bench only in the lowest trims (LX and S) of the gasoline only version and not at all in the hybrid or PHEV models. Even worse, opting for any Sorento with a bench second row offers only the sluggish naturally aspirated 4 cylinder engine and eliminates a host of other amenities. Furthermore, for us second row captain chairs doesn't reduce the two row seating to four humans. Instead, it reduces the total capacity to three humans since "Fido" isn't "built" to fit in a captain chair. Our only alternatives would be to put our dog in the rear cargo hold or deploy the seldom used third row for him. And as Zach points out, the latter choice all but eliminates the cargo space for gear and luggage on a trip. And the alternative of putting "Fido" in the cargo hold severely compromises its capacity, as well.
Apparently, KIA's market research led the designers to conclude that the only consumers who preferred a second row bench seat were those with larger families and constrained budgets. That might be the case for some but our small family who would otherwise opt for a mid or top trim Sorento consider a second row bench to be a necessity. The fact that KIA has opted to eliminate that choice means we won't consider replacing our current Sorento with another one. Unless KIA designers come to their senses and offer a second row bench in mid and upper trims of the gasoline Sorento and in versions of the hybrid and PHEV models, we'll be holding onto our last generation Sorento and when we replace it, we won't be looking for another.
I would just get a top of the line Sante Fe instead. Not only will you get your seating configurations as you require, but you will also saver thousands, as the top trim Kia costs over $4K more then the Hyundai top trim before taxes.
@@Al-qn3sj That's not the case. At least not in the US. A top trim Santa Fe (Calligraphy) MSRP ranges from $41,110 (FWD) to $42,810 (AWD). The corresponding to trim Sorento (SX Prestige) ranges from $41,190 to $43,190 plus destination charges.
@@stephenhendricks103 Sorry I was assuming that you were Canadian since this channel caters to the Canadian market.
Nice review 👍🏿even though I think the Kia is the better looking, that third row and other little things would make me choose Hyundai
Great review! Kia and Hyundai should up the size of their batteries to compete better with Toyota. Maybe the ride height is a factor for the difference in efficiency... changing the aerodynamics.
I don’t expect this market to grow as much as manufacturers would like. I do respect Kia and Hyundai for trying though. Thanks for another comparison video.
Great review as always guys! A few things. On both of these, can you keep the car in EV mode like you can with the RAV4 Prime? I have a Prime and I bought it because I can keep it in EV mode (stays in EV mode even when flooring the car up to 84mph). Most of the PHEVs I’ve driven will click into hybrid mode if you hit the gas too hard asking for more power…I’m loving the Kia. Love the captain’s chairs in the rear versus a bench as I have 2 kids, so don’t need the bench…wish more would offer this option, OR a pass through (my son plays hockey so the captains chairs make it easier to fit sticks!). When we travel as as family right now, I need to put a box on the roof of the RAV4 to fit all his goalie gear and our luggage. Other than that, the RAV4 Prime is ideal for my daily commute of 20 miles since I never use gas unless on a long trip….As for the difference in efficiency with these two vehicles, with the extra ground clearance in the Hyundai, it’s sitting up higher and creates more drag…a killer for car efficiency. I’m guessing that’s where the difference comes from. Lastly, how is the storage in the Kia compared to a RAV4 Prime? Seems there is a lot more in the Kia?
I have seen the new Kia Sorento on the road and I love how high end they look, the lights and emblem grabbed my attention the most
the 10.25 inch display is available around the world on the plug-in Santa Fe. I saw it, for instance in reviews out of the UK and Switzerland, for instance. It's just Canada that seems to miss out, but definitely not a US exclusive.
the 2" ride height is the reason for difference in range/ fuel economy
My family is enjoying our 2022 Santa Fe PHEV more and more each day. Huge comfortable cabin built to accommodate full size Canadians. Then We get 75 MPG to boot. Whats not to like ??
....The inconvenience and resale. And that’s enough for me not to consider. For some people, in certain circumstances, Plug-in hybrid technology might make sense though.
Where is the spare tire? No one ever talks about it
@@TheBaciWorld Under the rear on the outside. Grins....just like the old days..
@@kellingtonlink956 We are ideally situated with a 41 KM commute to use the EV range to the max. Also we have a convenient plug in at home. Just seconds to connect or unplug on the way by.
Great comparison/review! Please (when it comes out) do the same with the 2023 Sportage PHEV vs. the 2022 Tucson PHEV.
Absolutely
Great video Andrea! Both vehicles are not bad. 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
@@andreaspencer9813 Yes I did! You are an very welcome Andrea! ☕️☕️
Below is a copy and paste from a Tucson PHEV forum...Tucson uses the same drivetrain and hybrid platform as the Santa Fe. Great tips for keeping your Santa Fe PHEV in EV mode in the cold winter temps.
"We got our Tucson PHEV Ultimate just before we had a cold snap (-10c/-15c). Yes in EV mode only the engine will stay on if the HVAC is on. So my wife warms up the cabin then turns off the HVAC. The engine immediately turns off. The heated seats and the heated steering wheel run off the battery so she always has that on.
Now that the temps are warmer (L:3c / H:7c), the EV stays on most of the time. We found that turning the HVAC to low fan, setting the cabin temp to 19c, the engine stays off for the most part.
At first we were initially disappointed that the HVAC had to run off the engine but now the vehicle stays on EV 90% of the time and we are very happy. After 570kms we are getting 3.3L/100kms and that continues to drop.
This is really how hybrids work and we have owned a few in the past. The 2022 PHEV Tucson is by far the best hybrid we have had."
I’m pretty skeptical about the Kia having more storage space - the Santa Fe has basically the entire space the 3rd row seats in the Kia take up as underfloor storage, which I don’t think is included in the storage space numbers.
Great comparison!! I heard somewhere that the Sorento doesn’t have an EV-only setting, only ECO that runs the engine if you turn on the AC. Is this a difference between these two SUVs?
Because of the captains chairs in the 2nd row, can I now it a stroller if some sort in the aisle way? The back storage looks too small for any type of stroller.
Nice comparison review
The Sorento has a packaging problem in Canada. We recently ordered a Santa Fe PHEV but actually preferred the Sorento PHEV... but to get memory seats, you have to go all the way up to the SX trim which is ~6500 more than the Luxury trim of the Santa Fe. We couldn't justify that. If memory seats were included in the EX+ trim, we would have bought the Sorento.
I’ve commented on another one of your EV videos. The federal rebate is not tied to size of batteries. It is tied to km range which is above 50km range and below 50 km. Above gets the full $5K and anything below gets $2.5K.
These were recorded before the change.
I'm 6 ft 230lbs and I didn't think it was cramped in the third row. I think you have the second row all the way back.
It's funny, because in the Korean market, both of these come with 5,6 or 7 passenger seating options. There's no reason they couldn't at least offer them there too.
When will Jeep be releasing their 4xe grand cherokee? Im really looking forward to that
Great comparison/review! Thank you. When the new 2023 Sportage PHEV comes out, would you please do the same comparison/review with it vs. the Tucson PHEV?
good comparison, that's a runaway win vs toyota
Still waiting for Tucson PHEV review...
When comparing I only want to know the differences. Similarities are a mut point.
Given Vancouver's Hyundai and Kia dealers are on different tiers, that means different kinds of sales and after-sales service. Although Kia always looks better, and drives sportier than equivalent Hyundai. Hyundai is a safer bet in Vancouver area because of their tier-1 dealer group owns while Kia always owns by tier-2 dealer group with iffy services. So my take has to be Santa Fe in this case. I would settle for lesser service if its a Telluride.
Currently a KIA owner in Vancouver after purchasing my KIA at the local KIA dealership early last year. Definitely considering to bring my car to a private auto service instead of getting the KIA dealership service for oil change and other things for the same reason you mentioned.
Ugh. I dislike it when they put captain’s chairs in the second row … making five person transport awkward and tight, without an option for a bench. Not for me.
The MDX has the second/third row figured out right IMO.
Besides truck based huge behemoth 3 rows SUV only minivans offer decent third row even for adults and nice luggage volume. Among PHEV vehicles only Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid PHEV offer frugal ride with required space for 5 kids.
I agree 100%. 2nd-row captain's chairs drive me nuts with my family of 5. And as you said, top trims of so many 3-row SUVs come ONLY with 2nd-row captain's chairs. Only Ford Explorer (ST? Any other trims?) offer a bench seat instead of captain's chairs (except MDX). It's such an unnecessary penalty for families of 5. But the MDX does it right, so that's probably what I'll get at some point when cars are selling for Monroney or less.
A proper five seater vs a four seater (with two seats for kids). If Kia had bench seats, it was a no brainer. Now, for an extra seat, you are compromising a lot of cargo space.
What is the real consumption of Sorento PHEV @120kmh on a long trip without charging?
8.5 I bet about. Average is like 7.3 but not that high speed.
But Good job on the comparison !
why do you use so much Imperial measurement? I go to Canadian reviewers to get Canadian information. 2 additional cubic feet of cargo capacity means nothing to me, until I convert it to 56 litres. I know I'm not alone with this.
I'm Canadian and I prefer cubic ft
@@Kered-9 I'm not saying Canadians only use metric or Imperial measure, but you can get Imperial measure from any number of US sites. I turn to Canadian media to get metric (even if in addition to Imperial). Just curious, do you also use MPG?
@@mileitman I use mpg and l/100km. I like knowing both
So RAV4 Prime again. Or a Tucson PHEV.
the luxury Santa Fe is a joke like last year, no navigation on top trim, no heads up display on top trim, same small 8 inch info screen even on top trim, Hyundai Canada sucks, in the US and the rest of the world you get these options, just not in Canada eh?
Nice !