As someone who's suffered a lot and always tries to find meaning in what seems so meaningless, this helped me more than any other word about suffering. Thank you Rebecca for your eloquent and touching message about Jesus and his heart for those who are in need of comfort and encouragement. I needed to hear it.
@@midlander4 This is basically the rule of how God operates: Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: *The choice is yours*
Its been a month i loss my mami and i feel terible sad and loss all joy and this speech comfort me .. as my hope to meet my mami again is stronger again.
Im really sorry for that.I loss my mamy last year after seeing her suffer a lot cause of my brother that had a power of atorney and didnt let her had pain meds and 11 months after my dad alsk because of my brother who tool 3 hours to call the er after a stroke on purpose. know what you are going through but you will see her again and I will see my loves again.Now nobody can harm them and they are happy.God bless you.I know its hard
@@midlander4 - I don’t presume what she should do. Nor can I, nor will I answer for her. If you see suffering, go alleviate it. If you don’t believe, then don’t believe. Her statements are hers and yours are yours and mine are mine. Again, if you don’t believe, that’s your choice.
@@midlander4 - I didn’t miss the point of you asking non-relevant questions. If you have no interest in the poster of the video or the content, then why are you here? I know why. A sad attempt to call people out on nothing. Life has suffering. Some self afflicted, some other afflicted and some mysterious. If suffering is your key issue. Go help someone! Mocking people’s beliefs surely isn’t helping. Make clear what your point is; and that will ensure I don’t miss it.
@@midlander4 - I dodged nothing. Go help someone. Mr. Tour and the young lady in this video are accomplished in their fields and chose to have a video discussion about their faith. I see no problem here. You called her a bully with no evidence. And called, in your view, an imaginary man in the sky a bully. How can an imaginary man be a bully?! I answered the question about suffering. Go help someone! Shit man, how more clear can I be?!
Thanks. Nobody talks about this. People say all the time that suffering is meaningless. And people in my country only talks about peace, and never about conflicts.
In terms of any discipline, most of your time will be spent developing the "negative space", i.e. what doesn't work. The pile of failures that every theory rests upon. The drafts that no one will ever read. Suffering is the experience of failure. "The master has failed more than the novice has tried"
*He Jesus was* *weeping for those* *that knew Not The* *Power of God that* *IS in His Life and His* *Resurrection He* *Knows Which Ones* *Will Follow And the* *Ones that Will Turn* *Back John6:66* *John15:13,14*
Beautiful.Jesus is indiscribable.He cries cause he knows how terrible dead is.He cries cause our sin makes us pass through death and it has to be hard.I have been almost a year and a half in hospitals with my dad until he passed away and death is ugly.Everuone fights no matter how rheir condition is.That is whg Jesus cried.He didnt want us to go through that.that is what I think
Thanks guys ! I needed this , suffering from a very very loud tinnitus and it just keeps going up . Satan constantly trying to put in my head that God don't care ... any ways satan can screw him self. Jesus is Lord ! God bless you guys !
seek thy God.you will find Their names all over the Bibles,yet no one cares. sister,this is your God the Most High - the "Father" the Divine Word - the "Son" the Holy Spirit - the "Mother" ask for authority from the Most High,for wisdom and miracles is the power of the Divine Word (Jesus),and purification from the Holy Spirit.Thus,healing will be yours as granted by authority of God Most High. GBU..
@@constantinelastevangelion7956 Thank you so much for support ! I'm asking for wisdom and healing hope soon :)) My favorite person from the Bible is Job and what he said "What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? "
@@zorot3876 So? Soul probably did the same thing and much more... thinking he was doing the right thing in the name of God... But, it turnout to be wrong... due to his blind devotion...
Blinded about what? The man is Jewish, and a genius who believes Jesus is the messiah! To me, dr tour telling us the odds of evolution could never of happened when dealing with creation of life, is inspiring
@@ronaldo101000 I thought Dr. Tour was a Christian? Knowing that abiogenesis is impossible doesn't give him the right to claim that Jesus was resurrected in the physical body... Evolution is a very broad term... Are you, and Dr. Tour, claim that dogs have not descended from wolves?
How could suffering have meaning? Does McLaughlin imply God created suffering for humans to appreciate the lack of suffering? If that's the case it is preposterous.
It wasn't part of the original design God had for us, but sin crept in, which brings corruption and death. But God is higher than sin and corruption and death (Jesus Christ rose from the dead). The purpose of suffering is to draw us closer to God. Next time you are in pain and tribulation, turn your face upward and call out to our heavenly Father and ask him for help. He will answer you, and you will understand why you were suffering. It will have been so that you might be drawn closer to the Lord who created you.
Suffering is redemptive. Suffering without meaning is absolute hell. The woman who suffers that her child is born is not suffering without meaning. The man who suffers discipline that he might gain strength is not suffering without meaning. Without suffering, there is no true love - like the mother giving birth or the father who suffers his little children's ignorance and immaturity and teaches them patiently. In suffering we see who we are, and we become who we choose to be - saints who pick up their cross and follow the Lord or animals who savagely attack whoever or whatever causes them pain. Alleviating suffering is of course a good work, as Christ did and continues to do. Lord let me change what evil I can, suffer well what I cannot change, and have the wisdom to know the difference. Those sufferings I cannot avoid I choose to see and accept as the will of God and what a profound difference that has made for me, even from a mere psychological perspective, changing my character (always a work in progress) as well, I believe, as positively impacting my eternal soul before I face judgment. I offer my little sufferings for others, as Christ taught us to do by his supreme example of love, on the Cross. The only religion to address the question of suffering well, in my opinion, is the one whose symbol is suffering, telling the world suffering is not in vain.
So, as expected Rebecca McLaughlin, didn't answer the real question why God would allow suffering at all... Instead, she implied that Jesus deliberately refused to come and cure Lazarus, so that he could die and then Jesus would show off his power of resurrection... I was particularly watching Dr. Tour's fixed grin just to see whether it is going to be be effected by Rebecca's contradictions and ridiculous implications...
And what was the effect of Jesus’ ‘showing off’ His Power? Those who saw were converted, Word spread and many more believed, and these entered eternal life, because Lazarus died. It wasn’t all about Lazarus. That suffering also purifies the soul of the victim who suffers, who offers their suffering as a sacrifice to God, for the sake of others, united to the Cross of the Victim, is another teaching of Christ. Like a mothers who suffers that her child is born. Whoever would follow Me, let him pick up his cross. The worst suffering is suffering without meaning, according to Victor Frankl. The best suffering I’ve experienced, is suffering for the sake of love, which is the truest expression of Love. There is no greater love than this, than to lay down one’s life for a friend. In prayer, knowing I am listened to and realizing Who is listening, I do not suffer alone, and it is no longer about pain versus pleasure as if I’m some animal, some amoeba pushed by stimuli, it’s about right versus wrong, holiness versus unholiness, closeness to Him versus distance. My father, a physician, cared for a priest dying of bone cancer, the priest refused pain medications, saying he’d never felt closer to Christ. The nursing staff cried when he passed, my father said, because he exuded such holiness, peace and love to all around him. Pain transforms some people into animals, but this man found suffering strengthened that dimension of his being that is beyond space and time, through sharing it with his God. I work at a cancer hospital and I encourage people in their pursuit of the Lord, and how often they respond saying He makes all the difference. We’re all going to die. It’s not about this life. This life, this universe, is a saint-making machine, that grinds us up, in space and time, and what is left is what remains forever.
If Jesus is omniscient, he had already known that Lazarus was going to die that day before he was even born...This common belief among many theists creates all sorts of problems, including that God had already known Adam and Eve would rebel and sin before he even created them...which lead to suffering... and all sorts of contradictions, like those in Rebecca McLaughlin's nonsensical book...
@@jamesflynn4741 The standard understanding seems to be since God is all-knowing, he knew that Adam and Eve would fall, No? Why stage the rest, the prohibited apple, the temptations, including the suffering and evil as well as the pointless sacrifice of Jesus? Doesn't knowing make God at least foolish? But, did he know? Because if he didn't everything makes more sense to me...
@@tomashull9805 . Evil is to choose the lesser over the better. That God foreknows is not the question. He knew Satan would choose himself over God as so many of his followers have and will. Yet so many accept God as well. If you were to have twins, and you had the ability to see the future, and knew one would betray you (despite your love) but the other would love you , would you abort them both? Would it be just to abort the bad one before they even became bad? How could you even see a future in which they became bad unless it happened? Augustine or Aquinas speculates that God knows the future similar to the way we know the past, menories in which free will’s effects remain, because God is outside time,
If Jesus is omniscient, he had already known that Lazarus was going to die that day before he was even born...This common belief among many theists creates all sorts of problems, including that God had already known Adam and Eve would rebel and sin before he even created them...which lead to suffering... and all sorts of contradictions, like those in Rebecca McLaughlin's nonsensical book...
What a wonderful answer she gave. God uses Satan against himself. Satan is a created being, and therefore is lower than the Almighty God, who is, and who was, and who will be forever and ever. God can bring glory to his name even if evil is involved. What is the meaning of suffering? To bring people closer to God. Jesus said "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." Clearly God can and does use pain, and suffering, and death to draw people to himself. The Lord Jesus Christ suffered, and bled, and died on the cross to reconcile the world unto himself.
Hebrews 12:4 says Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. John 14:6 says Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Revelation 4:11 says Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Jesus Christ is my life. He suffered and died and rose from the dead because he loves me. That's what I'm talking about.
@@chrisyoung4482 Get some help and then read it in real English... It has nothing to do with our suffering having meaning, but Jesus', which was inevitable...
17 references to the word "suffering" in the Bible: Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 2 Corinthians 1:5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ. 2 Corinthians 1:6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation. 2 Corinthians 1:7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation. Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. James 5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. 1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 1 Peter 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 1 Peter 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
I've been a amateur astronomer for all of my teen to adult life. Professional astronomers always (believe) there is life out there in the visible universe. Their belief is misdirected. For what they believe must be spiritual, since it cannot be supported by chance chemical cellular biology. My belief is God created the universe. Its actually in the Christian creed. You know..."I believe in God, creator of heaven and earth". So far, not denying that, I keep from being a heretic =) God had no trouble at all creating the universe. Man makes it like it was a big deal. God could destroy it at a wimp and do it all over again. If one is a materialist...I guess this is something hard to understand. This current Universe is just a rough draft =)
(4:17) James's reaction to "In the midst of our suffering"
Wow! Powerfully put! The love of Jesus!
As someone who's suffered a lot and always tries to find meaning in what seems so meaningless, this helped me more than any other word about suffering. Thank you Rebecca for your eloquent and touching message about Jesus and his heart for those who are in need of comfort and encouragement. I needed to hear it.
May God strengthen all of us in these challenging times. 🙏
@@midlander4
No, Darwin created it.
@@midlander4
Well , in a Godless world created by unrepentant Darwin and other heathens, the more we sin, the more plagues affect us all.
@@midlander4
Nope. Where do you think our problems come from?
@@midlander4
This is basically the rule of how God operates:
Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
*The choice is yours*
@@midlander4
I quoted the Bible. Did you think I wrote that?
Moses wrote it. You can ask Moses.
He displayed his glory. He waited to demonstrate his power. Soon to come, as we have waited also.
the culture knew when the person was absolutely dead after 3 days and they stink.
History's Gardener is coming soon. Do you know Him?
Its been a month i loss my mami and i feel terible sad and loss all joy and this speech comfort me .. as my hope to meet my mami again is stronger again.
When You miss somebody,Then you KNOW THE LOVE IS REAL
Im really sorry for that.I loss my mamy last year after seeing her suffer a lot cause of my brother that had a power of atorney and didnt let her had pain meds and 11 months after my dad alsk because of my brother who tool 3 hours to call the er after a stroke on purpose. know what you are going through but you will see her again and I will see my loves again.Now nobody can harm them and they are happy.God bless you.I know its hard
James Tour is awesome; his reaction is always as a little child who’s learned something new;
Praise Jesus 🙏
Chilling. Had me in tears. Thank you 🙏
James Tour is a blessing. Much needed influence right now. Praise Jesus King of Glory!
I love this video.
Totally agree. She is spot on. Love you Jesus and thank you for showing me what true strength is.
God NEVER turns away.
@@midlander4 - then why don’t you go help them?!
@@midlander4 - I don’t presume what she should do. Nor can I, nor will I answer for her. If you see suffering, go alleviate it. If you don’t believe, then don’t believe. Her statements are hers and yours are yours and mine are mine. Again, if you don’t believe, that’s your choice.
@@midlander4 - I didn’t miss the point of you asking non-relevant questions. If you have no interest in the poster of the video or the content, then why are you here? I know why. A sad attempt to call people out on nothing. Life has suffering. Some self afflicted, some other afflicted and some mysterious. If suffering is your key issue. Go help someone! Mocking people’s beliefs surely isn’t helping. Make clear what your point is; and that will ensure I don’t miss it.
@@midlander4 - how can a “God” be a bully, when “God” doesn’t exist? The straw man sure does love his straw men.
Go do something relevant.
@@midlander4 - I dodged nothing. Go help someone. Mr. Tour and the young lady in this video are accomplished in their fields and chose to have a video discussion about their faith. I see no problem here. You called her a bully with no evidence. And called, in your view, an imaginary man in the sky a bully. How can an imaginary man be a bully?! I answered the question about suffering. Go help someone! Shit man, how more clear can I be?!
Thanks. Nobody talks about this. People say all the time that suffering is meaningless. And people in my country only talks about peace, and never about conflicts.
So, what's the meaning of suffering exactly?
I asked God about it. He said My suffering was His chisel. It turns a block of marble into Michelangelo's "DAVID".
@@midlander4 Look up POETRY
Our very last day on earth, will also unequivocally be our very last birthday. Praise to God Almighty! 🙌
AMEN. What a glorious day, we are on the edge of time.
In terms of any discipline, most of your time will be spent developing the "negative space", i.e. what doesn't work. The pile of failures that every theory rests upon. The drafts that no one will ever read. Suffering is the experience of failure. "The master has failed more than the novice has tried"
*He Jesus was* *weeping for those* *that knew Not The* *Power of God that*
*IS in His Life and His* *Resurrection He* *Knows Which Ones* *Will Follow And the* *Ones that Will Turn* *Back John6:66*
*John15:13,14*
Beautiful.Jesus is indiscribable.He cries cause he knows how terrible dead is.He cries cause our sin makes us pass through death and it has to be hard.I have been almost a year and a half in hospitals with my dad until he passed away and death is ugly.Everuone fights no matter how rheir condition is.That is whg Jesus cried.He didnt want us to go through that.that is what I think
We die to NEVER BE SEPARATED AGAIN IN ETERNITY
Dr James please invite Dr. Hugh Ross to you podcast
"I am the light of the world says the Lord, nobody comes onto the Father but by me"
then seek your Father name,through the wisdom of the Son...
Thanks guys ! I needed this , suffering from a very very loud tinnitus and it just keeps going up . Satan constantly trying to put in my head that God don't care ... any ways satan can screw him self.
Jesus is Lord !
God bless you guys !
seek thy God.you will find Their names all over the Bibles,yet no one cares.
sister,this is your God
the Most High - the "Father"
the Divine Word - the "Son"
the Holy Spirit - the "Mother"
ask for authority from the Most High,for wisdom and miracles is the power of the Divine Word (Jesus),and purification from the Holy Spirit.Thus,healing will be yours as granted by authority of God Most High.
GBU..
@@constantinelastevangelion7956
Thank you so much for support !
I'm asking for wisdom and healing hope soon :))
My favorite person from the Bible is Job and what he said "What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? "
I believe He will sister.
I believe He will...
@@constantinelastevangelion7956
I'm a brother ! :D
@@karoliskarolis5514 oopss...😁😁😁
Beautiful reflection
That was beautiful.. wow 😪
Is it just me or Dr. Tour reminds of Saul before he became known as apostle Paul? Zealous but blinded at the same time?
I think it is just you. Dr Tour is the only Christian scientist I have ever seen who kneels on stage to pray before addressing an audience.
@@zorot3876 So? Soul probably did the same thing and much more... thinking he was doing the right thing in the name of God... But, it turnout to be wrong... due to his blind devotion...
Blinded about what? The man is Jewish, and a genius who believes Jesus is the messiah! To me, dr tour telling us the odds of evolution could never of happened when dealing with creation of life, is inspiring
@@ronaldo101000 I thought Dr. Tour was a Christian? Knowing that abiogenesis is impossible doesn't give him the right to claim that Jesus was resurrected in the physical body...
Evolution is a very broad term... Are you, and Dr. Tour, claim that dogs have not descended from wolves?
@@tomashull9805 - but Jesus Christ’s physical body was resurrected, he was sinless and worthy of immortality and Dr Tour has every right.
How could suffering have meaning? Does McLaughlin imply God created suffering for humans to appreciate the lack of suffering? If that's the case it is preposterous.
It wasn't part of the original design God had for us, but sin crept in, which brings corruption and death. But God is higher than sin and corruption and death (Jesus Christ rose from the dead). The purpose of suffering is to draw us closer to God. Next time you are in pain and tribulation, turn your face upward and call out to our heavenly Father and ask him for help. He will answer you, and you will understand why you were suffering. It will have been so that you might be drawn closer to the Lord who created you.
Appreciation is NOT a word. Appreciation is purchased with TEARS
Suffering is redemptive. Suffering without meaning is absolute hell. The woman who suffers that her child is born is not suffering without meaning. The man who suffers discipline that he might gain strength is not suffering without meaning. Without suffering, there is no true love - like the mother giving birth or the father who suffers his little children's ignorance and immaturity and teaches them patiently. In suffering we see who we are, and we become who we choose to be - saints who pick up their cross and follow the Lord or animals who savagely attack whoever or whatever causes them pain. Alleviating suffering is of course a good work, as Christ did and continues to do. Lord let me change what evil I can, suffer well what I cannot change, and have the wisdom to know the difference. Those sufferings I cannot avoid I choose to see and accept as the will of God and what a profound difference that has made for me, even from a mere psychological perspective, changing my character (always a work in progress) as well, I believe, as positively impacting my eternal soul before I face judgment. I offer my little sufferings for others, as Christ taught us to do by his supreme example of love, on the Cross. The only religion to address the question of suffering well, in my opinion, is the one whose symbol is suffering, telling the world suffering is not in vain.
The better question is how could suffering NOT have meaning? What's more preferable to you?
@@BillyJack85 it's doesn't have any meaning to the ones suffering thinking about suicide every day
So, as expected Rebecca McLaughlin, didn't answer the real question why God would allow suffering at all... Instead, she implied that Jesus deliberately refused to come and cure Lazarus, so that he could die and then Jesus would show off his power of resurrection... I was particularly watching Dr. Tour's fixed grin just to see whether it is going to be be effected by Rebecca's contradictions and ridiculous implications...
And what was the effect of Jesus’ ‘showing off’ His Power? Those who saw were converted, Word spread and many more believed, and these entered eternal life, because Lazarus died. It wasn’t all about Lazarus. That suffering also purifies the soul of the victim who suffers, who offers their suffering as a sacrifice to God, for the sake of others, united to the Cross of the Victim, is another teaching of Christ. Like a mothers who suffers that her child is born. Whoever would follow Me, let him pick up his cross. The worst suffering is suffering without meaning, according to Victor Frankl. The best suffering I’ve experienced, is suffering for the sake of love, which is the truest expression of Love. There is no greater love than this, than to lay down one’s life for a friend. In prayer, knowing I am listened to and realizing Who is listening, I do not suffer alone, and it is no longer about pain versus pleasure as if I’m some animal, some amoeba pushed by stimuli, it’s about right versus wrong, holiness versus unholiness, closeness to Him versus distance. My father, a physician, cared for a priest dying of bone cancer, the priest refused pain medications, saying he’d never felt closer to Christ. The nursing staff cried when he passed, my father said, because he exuded such holiness, peace and love to all around him. Pain transforms some people into animals, but this man found suffering strengthened that dimension of his being that is beyond space and time, through sharing it with his God. I work at a cancer hospital and I encourage people in their pursuit of the Lord, and how often they respond saying He makes all the difference. We’re all going to die. It’s not about this life. This life, this universe, is a saint-making machine, that grinds us up, in space and time, and what is left is what remains forever.
@@jamesflynn4741 1. Showing off is not a God's quality. 2. How come so few were converted after seeing Jesus' show offs?
Jesus converted thousands,including followers who gave their lives for him, and spread Christ so that now a quarter of the planet worships Him.
Of course. If she knew the answer to the question of suffering she wouldn't be on this channel.
@@beckmack1994 Exactly! Do you know???
If Jesus is omniscient, he had already known that Lazarus was going to die that day before he was even born...This common belief among many theists creates all sorts of problems, including that God had already known Adam and Eve would rebel and sin before he even created them...which lead to suffering... and all sorts of contradictions, like those in Rebecca McLaughlin's nonsensical book...
What's the alternative?
The standard understanding is that God permits evil that a greater good may come of it, indeed including the Fall of Adam and Eve.
@@jamesflynn4741 The standard understanding seems to be since God is all-knowing, he knew that Adam and Eve would fall, No? Why stage the rest, the prohibited apple, the temptations, including the suffering and evil as well as the pointless sacrifice of Jesus? Doesn't knowing make God at least foolish? But, did he know? Because if he didn't everything makes more sense to me...
@@beckmack1994 Alternative to what? Make it clear this time...😉
@@tomashull9805 . Evil is to choose the lesser over the better. That God foreknows is not the question. He knew Satan would choose himself over God as so many of his followers have and will. Yet so many accept God as well. If you were to have twins, and you had the ability to see the future, and knew one would betray you (despite your love) but the other would love you , would you abort them both? Would it be just to abort the bad one before they even became bad? How could you even see a future in which they became bad unless it happened? Augustine or Aquinas speculates that God knows the future similar to the way we know the past, menories in which free will’s effects remain, because God is outside time,
""Jesus may have been late according Lazarus' family, He is still on time"
If Jesus is omniscient, he had already known that Lazarus was going to die that day before he was even born...This common belief among many theists creates all sorts of problems, including that God had already known Adam and Eve would rebel and sin before he even created them...which lead to suffering... and all sorts of contradictions, like those in Rebecca McLaughlin's nonsensical book...
@@tomashull9805 Omniscience and causation cannot be correlated.
@@midnighthymn of course
@@midnighthymn Who said it was?
soon...
the unification of faith and logic...
for the last revelations shall delivered...
last chance to repent...
Satan Satana Lucifer
What a wonderful answer she gave. God uses Satan against himself. Satan is a created being, and therefore is lower than the Almighty God, who is, and who was, and who will be forever and ever. God can bring glory to his name even if evil is involved. What is the meaning of suffering? To bring people closer to God. Jesus said "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." Clearly God can and does use pain, and suffering, and death to draw people to himself. The Lord Jesus Christ suffered, and bled, and died on the cross to reconcile the world unto himself.
What are you talking about? Life wouldn't have meaning without suffering?
Hebrews 12:4 says Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. John 14:6 says Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Revelation 4:11 says Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Jesus Christ is my life. He suffered and died and rose from the dead because he loves me. That's what I'm talking about.
@@chrisyoung4482 Get some help and then read it in real English... It has nothing to do with our suffering having meaning, but Jesus', which was inevitable...
@@beckmack1994 He is clueless...
17 references to the word "suffering" in the Bible:
Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
2 Corinthians 1:5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
2 Corinthians 1:7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation.
Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
James 5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1 Peter 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Peter 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
1 Peter 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
I've been a amateur astronomer for all of my teen to adult life. Professional astronomers always (believe) there is life out there in the visible universe. Their belief is misdirected. For what they believe must be spiritual, since it cannot be supported by chance chemical cellular biology.
My belief is God created the universe. Its actually in the Christian creed. You know..."I believe in God, creator of heaven and earth". So far, not denying that, I keep from being a heretic =)
God had no trouble at all creating the universe. Man makes it like it was a big deal. God could destroy it at a wimp and do it all over again. If one is a materialist...I guess this is something hard to understand. This current Universe is just a rough draft =)
You never explained "The Meaning of Suffering"!!!!