Time to get Serious!! TOPDON Phoenix Smart and Scope Review+Complete Walkthrough
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- Welcome to the major leagues!! I do a review and complete step-by-step walkthrough of the new TOPDON Phoenix Smart and Phoenix Scope. A professional-level automotive diagnostics platform that rivals anything on the market right now.
A link to the exact Phoenix Smart model shown in this video is www.topdon.us/collections/pro...
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CORRECTIONS!!!!
1. In the video I stated the lab scope is not compatible with Phoenix Lite models. This is not entirely correct. The Phoenix Scope is compatible with Phoenix Lite 2 / Plus / Elite / Smart / Max
2. The MSRP for the Subscription renewal is $1099 for 2 years however there are promotions which is why I saw $468 in my research.
Again, absolutely outstanding content. I have recently purchased a Topdon Elite myself and I could not be happier with my purchase. I am undecided whether or not to buy the scope, because I don’t really use them, but from an educational and understanding point they are great. After watching this I think I might invest in the next few weeks on one. Thank you sir.
Where did you see the 2 year update for that price?
It was on the website at one time. Apparently they run promotions every now and again.
@@SchrodingersBox thanks! I know I just ordered a Smart from an authorized dealer who was selling them with an extra year of updates for a total of 3. Was right around 2k to my door!
Oh wow if you got one for $2K you got an incredible incredible deal!!!!
That ad base they put on your channel is priceless. A woman playing with flacid rubber snakes and a banana saying you will stay harder longer and grow 10cm is just a right fit for a advanced auto tech page.
Hahahahahaha. I don’t see the ads but that’s definitely perfect for the demographic that watches my videos lol!!!!
Thank you so much for featuring our TOPDON Phoenix Smart and Phoenix Scope in your video!
My pleasure!! My new go-to scan tool for sure. Will feature it often!!!
@@SchrodingersBox Hey Matt, I own the Phoenix Plus, love it, regards from Australia.
I love reviews done by scientists. Thank you for the comprehensive, well thought out, methodical review. I am impressed as always.
Thanks as always for watching!!
Thanks for taking the time to review this
Totally my pleasure!! Amazing device with tons of capability.
Very interesting, thanks for taking the time to record
Thanks for taking the time to review this. Excellent and clear. I've got the little Topdon Topscan dongle - and while in their DIY line, it has been phenomenal in that it has all systems access and decent bidirectional controls for well under $100. I was really glad to see a solid review of their scope, as last time I searched out of curiosity, there wasn't much online about it. Awesome that you touched on the subscription fees. I, too, get a bit bummed about everything seemingly requiring a subscription service it but it's to be expected. Software / updates and support seems top notch, and it's a far cry from a once off purchase like a hammer or screwdriver. Thanks again. 👍
Thanks for the feedback!! yeah there is amazingly little out there still regarding the scope. the scope is really powerful. rivals my Pico in fact but I do like the user interface of the pico better- it’s a bit tricky using touchscreen to set up a scope.
@@SchrodingersBox I also looked on Topdon's website and the subscription fee for the Smart is right at $800 so pretty steep. I was able to update my Thinktool Pros for $299 for a year on sale.
@@SchrodingersBox completely understand. I'd be doing the same as you and using the stylus if and when I grab one.
Wow that is steep. I saw somewhere that there was a discounted price of $468 but maybe that was a promotion. I’ll check with Topdon.
Been waiting for you to get into this. My kind was blown when i learned about this style of diagnosis. Very cool tech.
Hahahah many people have dreaded me getting into this lol. They still want me to fix things with a screwdriver and block of wood lol!! But your attitude is the right one- we should be excited and inviting to technology. Times have changed. Technology has changed. If you aren't doing electrical and computer diagnostics, you just simply aren't good at fixing cars. Its time to evolve and adapt!!
@@SchrodingersBox Don't forget the handyman's secret weapon, duct tape.
Wow, that was a very thorough review. Thanks for sharing! I might have to get that scope now 😃
I hope you do hahah! Keep in mind the scope is not standalone- you can only use it with a Smart, Elite, or Max scan tool.
@@SchrodingersBox I have the elite; I'm a big fan of TopDons tools!
Oh wow great to hear!! Yes the scope will be compatible with the Elite.
I’m Brighton, i watch your videos from Zimbabwe 🇿🇼. Good content. If you are no longer using your old Autel diag tool, just send it over here 😂 lol.
I’m waiting to watch a video were you would take us on a full tutorial on Hybrid vehicles and full electric vehicles.
Stay blessed.
A very professional presentation!
Oh thanks!!! Yeah I felt like I had to step up my game for something like this. When you are representing a well known company with a nearly $4000 product value you probably should do a good job hahahaha
Nice review Matt!
Thanks and great to see you as always!!
Looks good product 👌
Tha k you so much love it helps a lot
I bought the Kingbolen K-10 for $899.00 on Azn 2 months ago. It is the EXACT same as this $2300.00 Topdon. Same exact software and capabilities. The harware is exactly the same with the case being red & black instead of blue & black. Most of these china scanners are identical with small color variations only. But this is a very thorough review of how it works. Not many people have taken the time to do a full review like you have. Thanks!
Haven’t heard of kingbolen. Does it have oscilloscope and adas add-ons too?.
Does it have updates available?
That is a good way to know if it is a licensed software or not. Without updates you are stuck with an old car database.
@@SchrodingersBox looks like base scanner only.
Yes I looked into it and it quite similar however it's more similar to the Phoenix Plus- not the Smart. It doesn't have the same programming capabilities as Smart.
But also another thing- and this is one of the main reasons I work with TOPDON- is that they have offices in the US and EU. On other scanners I've reviewed many people have brought up issues with service and communication in companies strictly based in China so I decided to no longer review such products. Kingbolen has no US or EU locations.
@@SchrodingersBox That is what I've been trying to figure out before I buy a scanner. Xtool had the D9 Pro that appears to have all the functionality of Topdon and Thinktool but for a lot less money, but if it isn't supported it's not worth it in the long run. I have the Xtool A30M, Thinkcar Thingdiag 2, and Topdon Topscan Pro dongles and they all seem comparable, but they don't have the capabilities of an actual scanner. I have a couple videos on my channel where I compare all three on different vehicles. The market is so full of knockoffs that it is difficult to know exactly who you are dealing with and if you're receiving a genuine product.
You are getting the goods man great job. I have the Phoenix lite
Nice! I'm amazed how many people already have Phoenix's!!
@@SchrodingersBox gotta start saving I guess. But don’t worry one of my 5 daughters will need money for college or something and my savings always goes bye bye
Thanks for this great review Matt! I have this set up and really enjoy it. Are you considering using it to program any modules? I’d really appreciate learning from you on using that function.
I do plan to use for module programming!! I will cover that as soon as I get a chance.
Hi, thank you for this review. Are you planning to do reviews of other Topdon products as well? Personally I'd be interested in the ArtiDiag class, but their DIY scanners look interesting too.
I am happy to review whatever they send me. TOPDON if you are seeing this comment let’s talk!!
Great video Matt. Topdon makes some good equipment. I have a Thinktool Pros which uses pretty much the same software as this scanner does. I have been using this platform for a little over two years now and it has made diagnosing problems a lot easier.
I also have the Thinkcar scope which is identical to the Topdon scope but I really have not used it much yet. Hopefully in the future.
Great to know!! Seems lots of people are already well familiar with TOPDON and I haven’t heard on person say anything negative!
@@SchrodingersBox The only negative is that Topdon is not currently Autoauth authorized but supposedly that is going to be rectified soon. My Thinktool Pros just recently was Autoauth authorized. Topdon uses Launch software which I really like and kind of prefer it over Autel. I also have the Otofix D1 which is also a very capable scanner.
Sorry I don’t know what autoauth is?? What’s that mean?
@@SchrodingersBox Autoauth is how you access the secure gateway module on 2017 and up FCA vehicles. You have to sign up and pay $50 for a years subscription and have a scanner that is up to date and be on the approved list of scanners that can access it. If you don't have it, you are very limited on the information you can get out of these vehicles and in most cases you cannot clear codes or do any special functions. Without it, you have to use a 12+8 cable to plug in and most of the times this access point is way up under the dash and hard to get to.
@@SchrodingersBox In order to work on Chrysler products 2017 and later you need access to their proprietary platform Autoauth. It's their gateway like AC Delco TDS or Global TIS.
Thanks u so much
A snap on zeus isn't $30,000 nor is it thousands for yearly updates. New the tool is ~10k, and my subscription is about 1,300 a year. We could get into the nitty gritty on how they are not comparable but suffice to say it is more on par with the phoenix max, minus topology. I bought a phoenix lite 2 as a back up to my zeus and autel. Turns out that the damn thing works so well it has been my primary scan tool for over a year. Thanks for the video.
Funny just picked one up due to a 1391, I wanted to learn how to view signals, I'm thinking flywheel coder ring or Cam coder ring. cool.
My new 2023 scanner needs to be traded already. I hope you get to keep that. Can't wait till we can program any used computer without online connection before too many years.
Agreed!!!
love my smart! looking to get the scope for it. can you switch between the scope and scan tool on the fly? or do you have to exit out?
switch em on the fly!! useful for seeing scan data and scope data interchangeably.
Non related question: have you discussed the problem(s) that can occur when the camshaft sprocket is out one tooth after a timing chain or timing belt change? Can the ecu throw p034x dtcs?
Oh yes, I have MANY videos showing how to diagnose that.
@@SchrodingersBox here on youtube? What are the titles? Thanks!!
Oh man I can’t think of specific titles but search the channel for misfire, timing, cam sensor, cranks sensor etc.
It’s pretty basic and I do it especially basic- I usually just superimpose ignition signal with relative compression peaks. but also you can check cam and crank signal coordination but without a known good that way can be a bit subjective.
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If you didn't already have a Picoscope, would you exclusively use this scanner and scope and not purchase a Picoscope?
Well it’s a little tricky: if I didn’t already have a picoscope, the answer would be yes- I would exclusively use this one but it would be because I wouldn’t know what I didn’t know.
But the fact I have a picoscope- I absolutely would and will continue to use it because it’s much better for post-analysis. Most likely I’ll use the Phoenix scope for when I need more than two channels or just the convenience that it’s a very fast set up and right there with the scantool and I can switch back and forth easily. But if I have something where I need to do deeper analysis on waveforms- cylinder pressure transducer readings for example, it’s much easier and more efficient on the picoscope.
NOW- if the Phoenix scope ever had the ability to run independently off a PC, that might change things!!
Do you know if you are able to connect TopDon to a TV or some screen to see better??
I have tried and have not found a way to do it. it doesn’t access the basic Android functions so you can’t get to a screen share.
One thing I have always wondered, what is so good abt these scan tools for cars? Why not just buy a digital desk scope? I know it wont be able to interface with the scan tool but I feel like a real scope just does way more 🤷♂️ (I am not an automotive technician)
How do you know where to use the scope unless you have the scantool to tell you what system is the issue?
I was wondering that as well. One very major thing that's holding me back from buying the scope is there is no auto format button.
That's where I don't have to manually scale to get the trigger to center in the screen.
I have 45.00 pocket scanner that has that feature.
In the videos I saw a ton of time adjusting for centering. 900.00 is alot to spend for nothing more than software.
do you think the phoenix smart will be a good scanner for my 2021 GM truck 5.3 v8 10 speed?
It definitely would. Probably overkill if you plan to use it for just that one vehicle really.
Great! Thank you.
Damn, i just bought a lab scope when i needed an auto scope. This review came too late for me...😢
Oh no!! I am sorry! Maybe take the other one back hahahaha!!!
Matt, no offense but I don't think you blinked until around the 2 min mark. My eyes are bleeding watching your eyes 👀.
I know it sounds weird but bro, blink! Your eyes will be 😁
Hahahaha yeah that does sound weird. Maybe I overdid the fentanyl before filming.
@@SchrodingersBoxHAHA
@@SchrodingersBox I prefer amphetamines. I never met a hit of speed I didn't like.
You end up with a code reader if you done subscribe 😂
just another Launch derivative, i'm actually starting to wonder if Autel is also using the same base software and who owns the software.
Topdon is not approved with AutoAuth so don’t think about using it with newer Chrysler vehicles. The VCI will be more ‘miss’ than ‘hit’ when doing J2534 programming.
What a racket. Welp, guess the labor rate goes up to account for the extra expenses.
On topdons website it says they're approved for autoauth now.
Hey Schrod! I made a review on this plaease check it out and tell me what think. Thanks for helping me increase my tool review skills!
oh man how funny hahaha I actually did see your video a while back after I was contacted by TOPDON so I could get an overview of it and see if it was worthy of review!!! It’s really good and you have great skills brother!
I see you also just put up an arduino video!!! again- how funny. I received an arduino project kit for Christmas hahahahaha!!!
@@SchrodingersBox oh wow that's good checking that it and letting me know I am doing good in presenting material! Yes this scantool is great and recently got into TPMS servicing, and I also found that is a great skill to have! Also, that little bread board project I did was fun and I hope to program the Arduino soon! I have a kit as well! Take care and keep making these videos!
Bang bang Niner Gang!
HAHAHAHAHA I have no idea what that means but I hope its good!!
It is not… 😅
@@SchrodingersBoxI assume he’s talking about the Super Bowl
@@SchrodingersBox 49ers just made a great comeback to go to the Super bowl right before you posted this!
@@albertoascencio5935 OHHHHHHHH hahahahahaha!!! Man I hate to say but I havent watched sports in 15 years. I used to be a die hard sports fan- especially Hockey. But since getting my corporate job I just don't have the ability to commit to watching sports anymore :-(
Did u compare that scope too a picoscope?😂😂😂
Hahaha yeah I won't lie- the Picoscope is definitely better, easier to use and has a better interface. However for the price this works really well plus it's 4 channels!