@@jay-rev in racing games,often the Ai will usually just artificially catch up to you, so you don't just completely dominate the race, that is usually called "rubberbanding", notice how hes going full speed the entire race, and lets up just a few seconds and the AI just passes him.
@@TabuRima In the Incredibles, it was so Dash wouldn't be so obviously dominant and stick out as a Super. Oh you mean in F-Zero? Its because the 2nd and below finishing animation goes by faster than the 1st place winning animation. That time lost letting 2nd place finish 1st is made up for by the results going by sooner and getting to the next race sooner.
@@TabuRimaIf you come in first, it plays a little sort of victory lap camera view but if you finish in 2nd you skip that which saves time. The stuff at the end of a grandprix is not affected by what place you get so if it's the 5th track of the grandprix it's faster to finish in first.
In case anyone doubted the power and prominence of Captain Falcon as the mascot of F-Zero, witness how he is name-dropped during the ending of the very first game in the series.
This game was way ahead of its time. Look at other "3D" racing games from the same time, and this one runs so smooth and hardly frame drops. The music was also well done, and while a little synthetic today, it worked with what the system had available to give a strong soundtrack.
I'm amazed how few people are actually talking about the speedrun itself, is everybody just going to ignore those amazing moments of using the wall to make corners? And when boosting, going into the barriers just to trim the corners more tightly? There was clearly a ton of great work in this!
Probably because it’s a TAS run, tool assisted speed run. All the inputs are done by computer. Typically TAS runs are neat but they don’t get the attention and admiration of a human playing the game in real time. Still, it is cool to see the theoretical perfect speed run even if it is computer controlled.
@@shifty1016 Being computer-controlled only removes the dexterity and reaction time requirement. The human(s) behind TASes still need to plan the routes, and that's the part that makes TASes fascinating. But I guess one needs a higher intelligence level to appreciate that, which is why it often goes under-appreciated.
Oh man, the score on Winter track - so nostalgic, wonderfully played, especially the trickster short-cuts. You are a master of F-Zero, sensei. Thank you for being passionate. Love this game, love your playing, love this channel. So grateful! F-ZERO TILL I DIE!!!❤
😀Thank you for the kind words. It was a hard 5 years in the making, but I finally got it. Spoiler alert...I am re-TASing this entire game once more, because I discovered my BOT was broken. Depending on my new BOT changes, it could be available next Summer, otherwise...2 or 3 years from now.
@@nymx_ I know you are a TAS guy but the next thing I would want to see is a non-TAS perfect run of 91,500 points (with no restarts). Some time last year I managed to get 90,000 (which I am very satisfied with). The points that I missed were mostly on the first lap (-300 points on Mute City 1, big Blue, Mute City 3, and Fire Field)
@@JSSTyger If I understand you correctly, you are talking about crossing the finish line, for all 5 laps, in 1st place...correct? There is a 'Spliced' IGT version, that TASVideos put out, but it was prepped wrong. Basically, I paid attention to the times only and forgot about the score. That would have been the version you would have wanted to see. Well, my next submission will have that; however, it is going to be at least two more years...unless I figure a way to delegate the TASing across more cores.
insane Tas run, must have been alot of work. and so cool ideas, with some of the jumps, smashing into walls perfectly enough to hit the boost right after. timing of the S-boost, pretty tightly cut corners. Amazing to watch, thank you :)
@@tekkamanviper2783 All CPUs use the Blue Falcon acceleration if checkpoints are not checked as "straightaway". Collisions are really your car's, since CPUs don't really have collisions. It's also possible to overlap them in Red Canyon II, Port Town I and Mute City IV (from BS F-Zero GP 2)
I know why they did that, too. It would take more time to get to the next level when reaching first because of the... 'Celebratory cutscene' before moving on.
I just wonder how the other cars catch up so fast, he seems to take the craziest turns or shortcuts to just get overtaken in half a sec in the end, is master diff that hard? Just got into f zero because of 99s popularity and already suck on beginner lmao
no, it's an extreme implementation of rubber banding. no matter how fast you go, slowing down will cause the second placed car to spawn behind you. these are absolutely not target times to complete the game lol
@@relinquiemNo, the AI in the 2D F-Zero games literally teleport behind you at all times to keep up. GP Legend is even more ridiculous, if you drive BACKWARDS the AI will start warping backwards to stay with you, letting you stall the race indefinitely
@kip7414 With Fire Stingray, yes....but Fire Stingray has soo much of an advantage over the other F-Zero racers. The programmers did a terrible job with the machine attributes. No way one car should have both the best turning and best top speed. Golden Fox has great acceleration but has the lowest top speed, worst turning, and takes damage poorly. With Super Mario Kart, the racers with the top speed have the worst turning and the racers with the best turning have the lowest top speed. It makes all the racers viable options.
@@JSSTyger toad Also, Fire Stingray gets bumped around easily and has the least energy. Its the fastest if there were no walls or obstacles but one hit to a bumper causes it to lose a lot of momentum. It's pretty balanced in my opinion.
And this is why I main Dry Bones and Kamek in MK8DX lul I am glad though that F-Zero 99 actually made the other machines more viable with how much of a difference the booster changes and just generally how much more damage you're taking makes (Blue Falcon I'm not 100% on if it's particularly viable though, it's middle-of-the-road at least) Golden Fox can spam the shit out of the boosts and still be fine if it can get back around to the pit stop safely, while Wild Goose is tanky and encourages aggressive driving
I don't know on a purely factual level, but I can take a highly educated guess. Thus, the following is all conjecture, based on how I would probably program it on a machine running at only a few megahertz. The game does not bother running any sort of AI for CPU racers that aren't close to you. The SNES simply isn't powerful enough for that. Instead, it just keeps track of how fast you've been progressing through the track over the past couple seconds. If you've been going slower than expected, it spawns a CPU racer behind you. If you're not in first and you've been going faster than expected, it spawns a CPU racer ahead of you. These racers despawn as soon as they get far enough ahead or behind you. There's probably also a hard limit on the number of CPU racers that can be spawned at once; probably 3 or 4. This essentially means that, if you remain in 1st, the AI "cheats" by keeping 2nd place a fixed distance behind you, just outside of spawn range. Falter just a bit (on Master anyway) and you get overtaken. As a reminder, this was all conjecture. I could be completely wrong.
@@Manabender(long comment incoming) CatadorDeLatas on SMWCentral was trying to reverse engineer the AI if you wanna read through the whole thread. It's been a while, but the key points I remember are: The game can keep track of 5 CPU cars. The closest car behind you teleports every second to keep up, which is why only the Golden Fox appears at the end of every race; the others haven't warped yet. Every non-generic AI vehicle has identical stats. They always use the Blue Falcon's acceleration, and on Master mode they use the Fire Stingray's top speed. The game does not track their health, meaning the AI is invincible and also cannot set off mines off-screen. How sharp the AI turns and how hard they brake is determined by metadata inside the tracks' checkpoint system, with turning speed increasing for each difficulty. This also means a CPU could blow through most tracks perfectly without braking, they just choose not to. If they slow down for any reason, then teleport behind you to rubberband, they're still set back and have to manually climb back up to top speed. The AI is unaffected by magnets and ice and always have perfect grip. There's definitely more I've missed or forgotten, but I've run my mouth enough to last the month.
Watching this just solidifies the fact that the yellow bastard cheats. The races where the TAS is taking massive shortcuts, and the yellow bastard is still faster is freaking ridiculous.
because of the category, the run is "faster" if the player finishes in 2nd place for every track except the final one, as there is a longer victory cutscene if you take 1st place on every track. They get 2nd place at the end because of overall career points
Ah...that is a very good question. The issue is, the jump passes a check point. When you skip those check points, the game will take you back to the previous one. Well, to minimize the travel time to that check point...just drive straight towards it.
You have to specify where on the track I do that. This is the "Real Time" TAS, so hitting the wall near the end of the track is a trick to get the car behind me to show up quickly for a 2nd place finish. If you mean the bouncing off walls, as in Death Wind II and Fire Field, it is a technique called "Speed Keep"...as it is impossible to hold that much speed if I brake and tightly maneuver around such tight areas. Besides, under the influence of the "speed strips" the dynamics of the car changes to the a point where it is almost impossible to turn.
Are you meaning when I come in 2nd? If so...I'm trying to get as close to 2nd without letting space between the 1st place car. if you are not talking about that then you are referring to the use of the s-jet, where we "brake" to elminate the lower part of the cycling speed from 562 to 478. It just keeps the car moving faster by allow it to remain on the higher speeds longer.
Dude you had that race won and then you ran into a drone car at the finish line and then thinking that the thing you do every lap where you think you are taking a shortcut or a quicker way by following the edge of the track, that doesn't work, it doesn't speed up your laptime.The only thing you did right was choose the right car.Its like a DOHC engine with the most pull and the highest top speed of the bunch.
I've been trying to understand what you are saying and it doesn't make sense. You do realize you are watching a scripted movie, right? If you are not trying to be funny, then you are clearly not a speed-runner of this game. This is a TAS, not a speed-run, which reproduces the perfect scenario of those moves done by humans. It also includes a few tricks that are in-humanly possible. You will not see a faster run than this, as it beats the "human" effort (performed by EdwardFourZero) by more than 50 seconds. If you don't like this version, there is an IGT version that finishes first place on every track...but it is slower due to "cut-scene" delays, which is the reason why 2nd place is performed on tracks 1 through 4 of each league in this version.
Meanwhile, Nintendo when balancing for F-Zero 99: So there's these shortcuts in F-Zero, what should we do about them in this game? Leave them in? Sounds good.
![[TAS] SNES Super Metroid "100%" by Sniq in 1:01:47.03](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Sy0HrZLRq3k/mqdefault.jpg)
![[TAS] [In Game Time Focused] SNES F-Zero by nymx in 39:30.36](/img/n.gif)
They must have some powerful rubber bands in the future.
Why’s that…?!
True
@@jay-rev in racing games,often the Ai will usually just artificially catch up to you, so you don't just completely dominate the race, that is usually called "rubberbanding", notice how hes going full speed the entire race, and lets up just a few seconds and the AI just passes him.
😂 Especially when the 2nd place car (Golden Fox) maxes out around 432km/hr, and you’re at 450+ for the entire race.
@@stnrodriguezthat’s because in this game, the AI will _teleport_ behind you if you get too far ahead
Being the very fastest but making sure to come in second place reminds me of Dash from the end of The Incredibles
Why do you have to come in 2nd?
@@TabuRima
In the Incredibles, it was so Dash wouldn't be so obviously dominant and stick out as a Super.
Oh you mean in F-Zero? Its because the 2nd and below finishing animation goes by faster than the 1st place winning animation. That time lost letting 2nd place finish 1st is made up for by the results going by sooner and getting to the next race sooner.
Unless it’s the final race in the Grand Prix
@@TabuRimaIf you come in first, it plays a little sort of victory lap camera view but if you finish in 2nd you skip that which saves time. The stuff at the end of a grandprix is not affected by what place you get so if it's the 5th track of the grandprix it's faster to finish in first.
@ oh thank you sir. Much clearer now.
Man this TAS guy must be who keeps beating me in F-Zero 99
But he sucks hasnt come in first once 😂
na you just suck
@@MasterMotefinal race of a grand prix left the chat
In case anyone doubted the power and prominence of Captain Falcon as the mascot of F-Zero, witness how he is name-dropped during the ending of the very first game in the series.
The fact the CPUs can keep up and sometimes even win against a TAS is terrifying.
Rubber banding
I played a lot when I was a kid it was too addictive and really hard to control but it was worth every minute
It's not hard it's just not explained well
Well guess what just dropped?
This game was way ahead of its time. Look at other "3D" racing games from the same time, and this one runs so smooth and hardly frame drops. The music was also well done, and while a little synthetic today, it worked with what the system had available to give a strong soundtrack.
Love this game growing up. My dad played it a lot
You're such a gentleman. The golden fox could only dream of setting knight times like that...
One of my all-time favorite racing games.
I'm amazed how few people are actually talking about the speedrun itself, is everybody just going to ignore those amazing moments of using the wall to make corners? And when boosting, going into the barriers just to trim the corners more tightly? There was clearly a ton of great work in this!
agreed
Even the first level, I never realized you could ride the walls like that
Probably because it’s a TAS run, tool assisted speed run. All the inputs are done by computer. Typically TAS runs are neat but they don’t get the attention and admiration of a human playing the game in real time. Still, it is cool to see the theoretical perfect speed run even if it is computer controlled.
Doesn't TAS literally stand for "Tool assisted speedrun"? @@shifty1016
@@shifty1016 Being computer-controlled only removes the dexterity and reaction time requirement. The human(s) behind TASes still need to plan the routes, and that's the part that makes TASes fascinating. But I guess one needs a higher intelligence level to appreciate that, which is why it often goes under-appreciated.
F-Zero 99 brought me here.
Can you believe it? I'm really excited about that new release!
no it didnt shut up. Nintendo didnt send you to a TAS
The Fire Stingray was always my fav car... I love this game
Yes its the best
The best F-Zero gameplay I ever seen! Thank you for open my mind!
Oh man, the score on Winter track - so nostalgic, wonderfully played, especially the trickster short-cuts. You are a master of F-Zero, sensei. Thank you for being passionate. Love this game, love your playing, love this channel. So grateful!
F-ZERO TILL I DIE!!!❤
😀Thank you for the kind words. It was a hard 5 years in the making, but I finally got it. Spoiler alert...I am re-TASing this entire game once more, because I discovered my BOT was broken. Depending on my new BOT changes, it could be available next Summer, otherwise...2 or 3 years from now.
@@nymx_Yo good luck with the updates!
Well done. A TAS of all 3 leagues has been a long time coming.
and a hard effort it was. 5 years in the making. :)
@@nymx_ I know you are a TAS guy but the next thing I would want to see is a non-TAS perfect run of 91,500 points (with no restarts). Some time last year I managed to get 90,000 (which I am very satisfied with). The points that I missed were mostly on the first lap (-300 points on Mute City 1, big Blue, Mute City 3, and Fire Field)
@@JSSTyger If I understand you correctly, you are talking about crossing the finish line, for all 5 laps, in 1st place...correct?
There is a 'Spliced' IGT version, that TASVideos put out, but it was prepped wrong. Basically, I paid attention to the times only and forgot about the score. That would have been the version you would have wanted to see. Well, my next submission will have that; however, it is going to be at least two more years...unless I figure a way to delegate the TASing across more cores.
@@nymx_ Yes.
Lets goooooo, this is my fuckin JAM!!! Still boot it up every now and then!
insane Tas run, must have been alot of work. and so cool ideas, with some of the jumps, smashing into walls perfectly enough to hit the boost right after. timing of the S-boost, pretty tightly cut corners. Amazing to watch, thank you :)
Thank you. It took a number of years to get to this point, but it was rewarding to see the final product.
Oh this? This is beautiful
For a course called Silence, it sure made me shout (rude words) a lot
Golden Fox got lapped on Death Wind II? Never thought I'd see that...
golden fox only has fast acceleration with no def or speed. hes the worst racer
@@tekkamanviper2783 Still, it's the first time I saw any machine get lapped in OG F-Zero, even in a TAS.
@@ult_mpx only in death wind 1&2 will you see the other racers get lapped if you use fire stingray :)
@@tekkamanviper2783 All CPUs use the Blue Falcon acceleration if checkpoints are not checked as "straightaway". Collisions are really your car's, since CPUs don't really have collisions. It's also possible to overlap them in Red Canyon II, Port Town I and Mute City IV (from BS F-Zero GP 2)
This is fantastic, thank you so much
>fastest racer ever
>came in 2nd place
nice paradox
I know why they did that, too. It would take more time to get to the next level when reaching first because of the... 'Celebratory cutscene' before moving on.
@@RenGraesI was wondering about that! Nice!
I just wonder how the other cars catch up so fast, he seems to take the craziest turns or shortcuts to just get overtaken in half a sec in the end, is master diff that hard? Just got into f zero because of 99s popularity and already suck on beginner lmao
no, it's an extreme implementation of rubber banding. no matter how fast you go, slowing down will cause the second placed car to spawn behind you. these are absolutely not target times to complete the game lol
@@relinquiemNo, the AI in the 2D F-Zero games literally teleport behind you at all times to keep up. GP Legend is even more ridiculous, if you drive BACKWARDS the AI will start warping backwards to stay with you, letting you stall the race indefinitely
30:12 You lapped the Doc... not sure I've even seen that before.
I like how Death Wind II saw both the player and Captain Falcon lap the Golden Fox on the final lap
congratulations for your effort
Thank you.
F-zero finally came back :D
Perfect driving. 😊
crazy nice tas!
This game controls way better than Mariokart. Mariokart is like 100% ice physics.
Super Mario Kart (SNES) is a legendary game.
@@JSSTyger I agree but F-Zero is way easier to control.
@kip7414 With Fire Stingray, yes....but Fire Stingray has soo much of an advantage over the other F-Zero racers. The programmers did a terrible job with the machine attributes. No way one car should have both the best turning and best top speed. Golden Fox has great acceleration but has the lowest top speed, worst turning, and takes damage poorly. With Super Mario Kart, the racers with the top speed have the worst turning and the racers with the best turning have the lowest top speed. It makes all the racers viable options.
@@JSSTyger toad
Also, Fire Stingray gets bumped around easily and has the least energy. Its the fastest if there were no walls or obstacles but one hit to a bumper causes it to lose a lot of momentum. It's pretty balanced in my opinion.
And this is why I main Dry Bones and Kamek in MK8DX lul
I am glad though that F-Zero 99 actually made the other machines more viable with how much of a difference the booster changes and just generally how much more damage you're taking makes (Blue Falcon I'm not 100% on if it's particularly viable though, it's middle-of-the-road at least)
Golden Fox can spam the shit out of the boosts and still be fine if it can get back around to the pit stop safely, while Wild Goose is tanky and encourages aggressive driving
We need a boundary break episode where we could see just how does the cpu cheat exactly.
I don't know on a purely factual level, but I can take a highly educated guess. Thus, the following is all conjecture, based on how I would probably program it on a machine running at only a few megahertz.
The game does not bother running any sort of AI for CPU racers that aren't close to you. The SNES simply isn't powerful enough for that. Instead, it just keeps track of how fast you've been progressing through the track over the past couple seconds. If you've been going slower than expected, it spawns a CPU racer behind you. If you're not in first and you've been going faster than expected, it spawns a CPU racer ahead of you. These racers despawn as soon as they get far enough ahead or behind you. There's probably also a hard limit on the number of CPU racers that can be spawned at once; probably 3 or 4.
This essentially means that, if you remain in 1st, the AI "cheats" by keeping 2nd place a fixed distance behind you, just outside of spawn range. Falter just a bit (on Master anyway) and you get overtaken.
As a reminder, this was all conjecture. I could be completely wrong.
@@Manabender(long comment incoming) CatadorDeLatas on SMWCentral was trying to reverse engineer the AI if you wanna read through the whole thread. It's been a while, but the key points I remember are:
The game can keep track of 5 CPU cars.
The closest car behind you teleports every second to keep up, which is why only the Golden Fox appears at the end of every race; the others haven't warped yet.
Every non-generic AI vehicle has identical stats. They always use the Blue Falcon's acceleration, and on Master mode they use the Fire Stingray's top speed.
The game does not track their health, meaning the AI is invincible and also cannot set off mines off-screen.
How sharp the AI turns and how hard they brake is determined by metadata inside the tracks' checkpoint system, with turning speed increasing for each difficulty.
This also means a CPU could blow through most tracks perfectly without braking, they just choose not to.
If they slow down for any reason, then teleport behind you to rubberband, they're still set back and have to manually climb back up to top speed.
The AI is unaffected by magnets and ice and always have perfect grip.
There's definitely more I've missed or forgotten, but I've run my mouth enough to last the month.
Impressive work
Some of those jump skips had me full pog.
Watching this just solidifies the fact that the yellow bastard cheats. The races where the TAS is taking massive shortcuts, and the yellow bastard is still faster is freaking ridiculous.
Yeah f that yellow guy for real!!
I was thinking that this game has parodies included in anime JoJo's universe, "F-Mega". Which is neat to see like this.
JoJo sucks.
Well that's a whole lot better than I ever did.
Every 2nd place finish is how it feels to play F-Zero 99.
30:05 WHAAAAAAAAATT!!!!! 😱
Watching this makes me realize they really dialed the booster arrows in 99 huh
I think I fell asleep to this once.
I wish there is a Top Gear 99 I consider my self the best player in the world using the white car , well if not the best at least top 5.
back when video games mattered
Passed the golden fox?
Is that some sorta glitch wtf?
First!!!!
Awesome TAS, dude! I loved every second!
The way your TAS is structured, 2nd is actually preferable in this case lol.
@@notsyzagts7967 lol
Might be a silly question but why are you ranking 2nd when you was first?
because of the category, the run is "faster" if the player finishes in 2nd place for every track except the final one, as there is a longer victory cutscene if you take 1st place on every track. They get 2nd place at the end because of overall career points
@Hiryuu ok thank you never noticed that
@@aceshighdueceslow thank you for explaining it didn't know
I've never been able to defeat Masters level with the golden Fox
That's because Golden Fox isn't as "golden" as you think. Low power, bad handling, and slow as f***? No go.
0:12
ミュート1の最後、マジでやってたら57秒台もあった!?
what's the reason behind crashing at the end of every race?
1st place has a longer animation than 2nd
So You use the Game extreme ruber band and make the other car go first
Prolly lame question, but why in Port City super skip jump do you land going in reverse rather than forward…?! Just curious.
Ah...that is a very good question.
The issue is, the jump passes a check point. When you skip those check points, the game will take you back to the previous one. Well, to minimize the travel time to that check point...just drive straight towards it.
Why do you always come in 2nd?
1st place animation takes more time.
I watched this due to the F-ZERO 99 ... Amazing driving skills, but what is the point of finishing second? PLEASE!!!! I need someone to explain me!
If you finished 1st, there's an animation you have to watch that makes your overall time longer so you finish 2nd to avoid that
@@KamiOshi_81800 ohhhhhhh I see, so in order to do a speedrun you must finish second. LoL thanks pal
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Why would you hit the side of the track wouldn’t it make more sense to keep the speed?
You have to specify where on the track I do that. This is the "Real Time" TAS, so hitting the wall near the end of the track is a trick to get the car behind me to show up quickly for a 2nd place finish.
If you mean the bouncing off walls, as in Death Wind II and Fire Field, it is a technique called "Speed Keep"...as it is impossible to hold that much speed if I brake and tightly maneuver around such tight areas. Besides, under the influence of the "speed strips" the dynamics of the car changes to the a point where it is almost impossible to turn.
Why does he always wants to be 2nd?
1st place animation is longer than 2nd.
Why do you repeatedly press the throttle button at the end of laps
Are you meaning when I come in 2nd? If so...I'm trying to get as close to 2nd without letting space between the 1st place car.
if you are not talking about that then you are referring to the use of the s-jet, where we "brake" to elminate the lower part of the cycling speed from 562 to 478. It just keeps the car moving faster by allow it to remain on the higher speeds longer.
Wow i was wondering this ...@@nymx_
Second
This video basically demonstrates how BS "AI Rubberbanding" can be
hack.
this runs come from a AI?
Why 2nd End？
Shorter post race animation
i use infinite nitros as well :))
What
Dude you had that race won and then you ran into a drone car at the finish line and then thinking that the thing you do every lap where you think you are taking a shortcut or a quicker way by following the edge of the track, that doesn't work, it doesn't speed up your laptime.The only thing you did right was choose the right car.Its like a DOHC engine with the most pull and the highest top speed of the bunch.
I've been trying to understand what you are saying and it doesn't make sense. You do realize you are watching a scripted movie, right?
If you are not trying to be funny, then you are clearly not a speed-runner of this game. This is a TAS, not a speed-run, which reproduces the perfect scenario of those moves done by humans. It also includes a few tricks that are in-humanly possible. You will not see a faster run than this, as it beats the "human" effort (performed by EdwardFourZero) by more than 50 seconds.
If you don't like this version, there is an IGT version that finishes first place on every track...but it is slower due to "cut-scene" delays, which is the reason why 2nd place is performed on tracks 1 through 4 of each league in this version.
@@nymx_what is TAS?
@@TabuRima The Animated Series
Those skills are great but some of them are not intended by Nintendo
Meanwhile, Nintendo when balancing for F-Zero 99: So there's these shortcuts in F-Zero, what should we do about them in this game? Leave them in? Sounds good.
There should be a F-Zero ROM hack with female characters replacing male characters
Why?
I mean, you could just check out the other F-Zero games.
Maybe he wants to see bobs and vagene
😂😂😂😂
this and Super mario world were launch titles for the super nintendo....what a way to show off new tech
Also Pilotwings