"He doesn't care about treason. That's just him parroting you because you talked to him last. If he spoke to a janitor he'd be passionately declaiming about a fucking mop! It's agonizing." Still the best line in the entire series
I just replied a few mins ago to a comment on another incredible quote from the show. Which just goes to prove that the TV show and books are full of best lines and quotes for anyone and everyone to appreciate. And the mop quote is undoubtedly up there with the best of them :)
"I fought to save earth... you fought to save yourself..." hits different after S5 and reading the books because at the end, Errinwright was right after all.
@@R4Y2k I’ve come to appreciate errinwright so much more as a character with time. He’s not 100% correct about Mars, as there are many martians who are good, noble, and genuinely dedicated to the cause of building a new world, but he clearly could see there was something dark growing inside of Martian culture (which would later manifest as the Laconian empire). He clearly has an excellent mind for strategy, geopolitics, and a clear vision of the future which sets him apart from the rest of the UN government. It’s interesting to speculate about an alternate reality where Errinwright is secretary-general of the UN. It seems likely that under him the UN would achieve its full potential and be able to absolutely dominate the system and all of the worlds through the ring gates (although his Machiavellian tendencies would likely make this reunification a cold and bloody affair). Regardless, he’s certainly one of the most interesting characters in the series to me at least
I loved how in the end you could tell Anna realized Errinwight was right about Sorrento-Gillis by just her facial expression after his statement thanking her.
Exactly, she fell into the classic trap of thinking that at that level of power, there are good guys and bad guys, and all you have to do is beat the bad guy to win; there are NO good guys in that game, only bad guys and worse guys, and honestly there's no way to know for sure which is which until you allow them to slip into the kind of power that they can't be removed from without a lot of blood being spilled. It's like the people who vote for Candidate B because Incumbent A was seen as such a villain; only to realize A was a boyscout who knew what he was doing, in comparison to B, who's an outright monster who'll blunder us all into oblivion.
@The Program That's why he thanked her. At this point he probably had already decided to quit while he was ahead. He even asked Avasarala why she wasn't president, which was a clear verbal indicator that he was running on fumes.
@theprogram863He did resign. No way you can get past a scandal like that. You're the head of the UN but your underling has been doing all this stuff behind your back. He resigned, which Avasarala mentioned in her speech where she mentions choosing peace.
Notice Errinwright never even LOOKS at the Secretary General in the beginning. He only acknowledges Anna. It shows his total disregard for SG (deserved or not). Brilliantly written and portrayed by all actors.
The talked about this scene on the latest Ty & That Guy episode and said that once Naren Shankar came up with the idea that Errinwright would talk to Anna instead of Sorrento-Gillis, Daniel Abraham went "I got this", disappeared for some time and returned with this monologue which made it into the scene almost word for word like he just had written it.
@@jursamaj if power went to those without most of those qualities and they were good at their jobs they would pass into legend. Problem is so few people are unwilling to let ego get in the way
@jursamaj I mean, we demonize the idea of power and those who seek it while encouraging good people to be humble, poor, and meek. What else can we expect?
Errinwright and Ashford are 2 characters that were vastly better in the series than they were in the books. The actors play a big part in this too, terrific performances!
Christ he's acted well. The Casting in this is SO GOOD. Y'all notice how SG's pleased that he isn't gonna be pinned with it, but not what was done? lol.
Dunno about books, but from the show the context i got was that UN power is either stagnating or declining, which would explain why he/mao would rush above the bureacraucy and undertake the discovery of protomolecule themselves, maybe they thought by sacrificing eros they would secure UN supremacy for decades
@@EdGeLV I think Errinwright definitely believes that and is willing to put Mars down while Earth still holds some advantage but I honestly don't think Mao much cares. Mao only works with Errinwright because Errinwright is desperate enough to edge out Mars to fund Mao's work. Hell when Errinwright gets cold feet over the protomolecule Mao straight up abandons Errinwright and begins working with Mars to continue work on the hybrids. It's not that Mao doesn't care about Earth - Mao cares about humanity as a whole and is prepared to sacrifice Eros, children, even his own daughter to let the protomolecule evolve and see how it might one day help humanity reach higher
And Mao's was right. Had it been people with good intention like Holden that got their hands on the protomolecule, they'd have burnt it up in the Sun out of fear, and people'd likely never have gotten access to the ring gate.
Arguably access to the ring gate isn't a good thing. Yes humanity can spread more freely now but it's shattered the Martian dream as Martians now don't need to terraform Mars as they can just move to an already habitable planet. It's almost completely shut the belters out of the larger game as their people can't stand the gravity and the few who can will, within one generation, not even be Belters anymore as they'll be born planetside. And also there seems to be malicious dangerous creatures inside the ring spaces themselves who are likely who originally killed whoever made the protomolecule. But I do see your point
They covered this scene on the last Ty and That Guy, the insight was great. The part where he looks out the window, realizes it's over and then smirks as he takes off his mask. Goddamn I love this actor and this scene is phenomenal!
I loved when Ty said that one of the writers came up with the "what if he doesn't talk to Sorrent-Gillis but to Anna instead?" and they went with it. Made this scene a masterpiece.
Because she realised that, for all what he have done, Erringwright was right all along. And worst of all, he was making sense. That's why he needed to be stopped. She came to the same conclusion Miller reached when he killed the Doctor in the Spin Station. The worst villains aren't the moustache-twirling ones, but the ones you can agree with on a very deep level.
"My legacy was going to be a catastrophic war, with millions dead. That' all on Errinwright now. Thank you 😘" -- The leader of the Free World It cracks me up every time 😂
Erin Wright's character design reminded me a lot of Mr. Morden from Babylon 5. Hairstyle, clothing choices, smirk on his face, working against everyone and being a Grey Eminence within the larger picture. Difference being Morden served his overlords, while Erin had noone above and was more vulnerable.
Errinwright was a pretty cool bad guy, one of the best I've seen in years. I like his character - indeed the reason I like The Expanse - is that every single character is acting rationally to do what it thinks is right - maybe with the exception of Mao. But even when Errinwright went full psycho and killed the (person from Mars, trying to prevent spoilers), he was doing so because he thought he was saving Earth from the ravages of the protomolecule and was he actually wrong? Excellent, excellent, excellent TV show - perfection!
I think that's because they didn't get more episodes to develop Inaros in the final season. Show Inaros was still good but book Inaros was hands down fantastic.
@@R4Y2k Nah. Despithe Inaros had less screen time it was just tiring for me to watch some scenes with him and his constant repeating of the same fanatical bullshit. He was just one dimentional sociopath terrorist with incredible ego. The fact that most belters bought what he told them was just not believable and poorly executed. It was completely different with Errinwright, I changed my view of his person several times during his screen time. There were some moments, even after he uncovered most of his cards, that I didnt even consider him a villan and had to agree with him several times.
@@R4Y2k Book Inaros is terrifyingly charismatic, especially the way Jefferson Mays reads him. You know he's an opportunist taking advantage of real grievances to further his own power, but you can't help but hang on his every word.
Inaros was portrait as a Che Guevara type of hipocryte, just wishing power and worshiping your own ego. Just another opportunist making use of people's misery to achieve power.
Errinwright is a great example of a villain who's correct about almost everything he says, but is still wrong about the things he believes, and is a fundamentally evil person that must be stopped.
Watching the show I was very frustrated when Sorrento-Gillis made an appearance since he seemed so shallow, stupid, and manipulable, and it came across as unrealistic. I figured the SG wouldn't just go with whatever opinion he heard last, so easily swayed by Errinwright, Anna, or Avasarala, with no opinions of his own. This scene justified his character, or lack thereof, making another character acknowledge it, and erased all of that sense of unrealism. In the end, the guy does make you believe that he would speak passionately about a mop.
Nah, Umbridge is petty and evil for no good reason other than personal satisfaction. Errinwright is unethical and evil in pursuit of a something that can be argued to be a greater good, not personal satisfaction. Sorrento-Gillis and Fudge are kind of similar though.
@@adburltv Lmao seriously tho, I didn't watch the rest of season 3 after this comment till a month ago lol. Then I only watched till episode 1 of season 4 and haven't watched since 💀
"He doesn't care about treason. That's just him parroting you because you talked to him last. If he spoke to a janitor he'd be passionately declaiming about a fucking mop! It's agonizing."
Still the best line in the entire series
I just replied a few mins ago to a comment on another incredible quote from the show. Which just goes to prove that the TV show and books are full of best lines and quotes for anyone and everyone to appreciate. And the mop quote is undoubtedly up there with the best of them :)
Yes, topnotch writing at its best.
"I fought to save earth... you fought to save yourself..." hits different after S5 and reading the books because at the end, Errinwright was right after all.
@@R4Y2k I’ve come to appreciate errinwright so much more as a character with time. He’s not 100% correct about Mars, as there are many martians who are good, noble, and genuinely dedicated to the cause of building a new world, but he clearly could see there was something dark growing inside of Martian culture (which would later manifest as the Laconian empire). He clearly has an excellent mind for strategy, geopolitics, and a clear vision of the future which sets him apart from the rest of the UN government. It’s interesting to speculate about an alternate reality where Errinwright is secretary-general of the UN. It seems likely that under him the UN would achieve its full potential and be able to absolutely dominate the system and all of the worlds through the ring gates (although his Machiavellian tendencies would likely make this reunification a cold and bloody affair). Regardless, he’s certainly one of the most interesting characters in the series to me at least
As evil as Errinwright is he's correct about Sorentos being a foolish puppet. I don't like him, but I can admit he's a leader, unlike Sorentos.
I loved how in the end you could tell Anna realized Errinwight was right about Sorrento-Gillis by just her facial expression after his statement thanking her.
Exactly, she fell into the classic trap of thinking that at that level of power, there are good guys and bad guys, and all you have to do is beat the bad guy to win; there are NO good guys in that game, only bad guys and worse guys, and honestly there's no way to know for sure which is which until you allow them to slip into the kind of power that they can't be removed from without a lot of blood being spilled.
It's like the people who vote for Candidate B because Incumbent A was seen as such a villain; only to realize A was a boyscout who knew what he was doing, in comparison to B, who's an outright monster who'll blunder us all into oblivion.
@The Program That's why he thanked her. At this point he probably had already decided to quit while he was ahead.
He even asked Avasarala why she wasn't president, which was a clear verbal indicator that he was running on fumes.
Hey, leave my great-great-great-great-grandson alone
@theprogram863He did resign. No way you can get past a scandal like that. You're the head of the UN but your underling has been doing all this stuff behind your back. He resigned, which Avasarala mentioned in her speech where she mentions choosing peace.
I laughed my ass off at this moment))
- He is changing for the better
- Thank you Anna, now it's all Errin's fault
😮😮😮
Notice Errinwright never even LOOKS at the Secretary General in the beginning. He only acknowledges Anna. It shows his total disregard for SG (deserved or not). Brilliantly written and portrayed by all actors.
She realized that Errinwright and Sorrento Gilles are both different types of monsters in the end. Both of them are unfit to lead.
The talked about this scene on the latest Ty & That Guy episode and said that once Naren Shankar came up with the idea that Errinwright would talk to Anna instead of Sorrento-Gillis, Daniel Abraham went "I got this", disappeared for some time and returned with this monologue which made it into the scene almost word for word like he just had written it.
Most who seek to lead *are* unfit. Power draws narcissists, sociopaths, and psychopaths.
@@jursamajso true
@@jursamaj if power went to those without most of those qualities and they were good at their jobs they would pass into legend. Problem is so few people are unwilling to let ego get in the way
@jursamaj I mean, we demonize the idea of power and those who seek it while encouraging good people to be humble, poor, and meek. What else can we expect?
Errinwight as corrupt as he was is one of my favourite parts to the expanse. A very intriguing behind the scenes villain .
He is the best kind of antagonist. The one that believes everything they do is justified and the good thing to do.
Honestly that and he is charismatic and likable IMO. Like I felt such sympathy for him talking to his son
Errinwright and Ashford are 2 characters that were vastly better in the series than they were in the books. The actors play a big part in this too, terrific performances!
I love how Errinwright doesn't try to escape or anything. He was a hero in his own story.
That usually makes a good villain
Christ he's acted well. The Casting in this is SO GOOD.
Y'all notice how SG's pleased that he isn't gonna be pinned with it, but not what was done? lol.
I think Errinwrights intentions weren't vile. He truly cared for earth, he was just willing to go too far to secure it's predominance in the system.
Dunno about books, but from the show the context i got was that UN power is either stagnating or declining, which would explain why he/mao would rush above the bureacraucy and undertake the discovery of protomolecule themselves, maybe they thought by sacrificing eros they would secure UN supremacy for decades
@@EdGeLV I think Errinwright definitely believes that and is willing to put Mars down while Earth still holds some advantage but I honestly don't think Mao much cares. Mao only works with Errinwright because Errinwright is desperate enough to edge out Mars to fund Mao's work. Hell when Errinwright gets cold feet over the protomolecule Mao straight up abandons Errinwright and begins working with Mars to continue work on the hybrids. It's not that Mao doesn't care about Earth - Mao cares about humanity as a whole and is prepared to sacrifice Eros, children, even his own daughter to let the protomolecule evolve and see how it might one day help humanity reach higher
And Mao's was right. Had it been people with good intention like Holden that got their hands on the protomolecule, they'd have burnt it up in the Sun out of fear, and people'd likely never have gotten access to the ring gate.
Arguably access to the ring gate isn't a good thing. Yes humanity can spread more freely now but it's shattered the Martian dream as Martians now don't need to terraform Mars as they can just move to an already habitable planet. It's almost completely shut the belters out of the larger game as their people can't stand the gravity and the few who can will, within one generation, not even be Belters anymore as they'll be born planetside. And also there seems to be malicious dangerous creatures inside the ring spaces themselves who are likely who originally killed whoever made the protomolecule. But I do see your point
@@byhyew But in the end the ring gate is a curse for any civilization who uses it.
In s1e1 you couldnt tell who was worse: Avasarala or Errinwright. They both went their own way and it was excellent to watch it unfold
At first I hated Avasarala then she ended up being my favorite
At first I hated Avasarala then she ended up being my favorite
They covered this scene on the last Ty and That Guy, the insight was great. The part where he looks out the window, realizes it's over and then smirks as he takes off his mask. Goddamn I love this actor and this scene is phenomenal!
I loved when Ty said that one of the writers came up with the "what if he doesn't talk to Sorrent-Gillis but to Anna instead?" and they went with it. Made this scene a masterpiece.
"and that children is how I left your father!"
I love how Anna didn’t disagree with Sadavir
😂 👍
Because she realised that, for all what he have done, Erringwright was right all along. And worst of all, he was making sense. That's why he needed to be stopped.
She came to the same conclusion Miller reached when he killed the Doctor in the Spin Station.
The worst villains aren't the moustache-twirling ones, but the ones you can agree with on a very deep level.
@@Death_Korps_Officer I thought the same thing halfway through Errinwright's rant. He's dangerous cause he's making sense.
"My legacy was going to be a catastrophic war, with millions dead. That' all on Errinwright now. Thank you 😘" -- The leader of the Free World
It cracks me up every time 😂
1:09 you can actually see Ana nod her head slightly
Looked like she was trying not to laugh at Errinwright’s burn
Erin Wright's character design reminded me a lot of Mr. Morden from Babylon 5. Hairstyle, clothing choices, smirk on his face, working against everyone and being a Grey Eminence within the larger picture. Difference being Morden served his overlords, while Erin had noone above and was more vulnerable.
It's a shame Anna never got a chance to wave at Errinwright "just like this."
Errinwright was a pretty cool bad guy, one of the best I've seen in years. I like his character - indeed the reason I like The Expanse - is that every single character is acting rationally to do what it thinks is right - maybe with the exception of Mao. But even when Errinwright went full psycho and killed the (person from Mars, trying to prevent spoilers), he was doing so because he thought he was saving Earth from the ravages of the protomolecule and was he actually wrong? Excellent, excellent, excellent TV show - perfection!
Errinwight was way better and more complex villan than Inaros.
Totally.
I think that's because they didn't get more episodes to develop Inaros in the final season. Show Inaros was still good but book Inaros was hands down fantastic.
@@R4Y2k Nah. Despithe Inaros had less screen time it was just tiring for me to watch some scenes with him and his constant repeating of the same fanatical bullshit. He was just one dimentional sociopath terrorist with incredible ego. The fact that most belters bought what he told them was just not believable and poorly executed.
It was completely different with Errinwright, I changed my view of his person several times during his screen time. There were some moments, even after he uncovered most of his cards, that I didnt even consider him a villan and had to agree with him several times.
@@R4Y2k Book Inaros is terrifyingly charismatic, especially the way Jefferson Mays reads him. You know he's an opportunist taking advantage of real grievances to further his own power, but you can't help but hang on his every word.
Inaros was portrait as a Che Guevara type of hipocryte, just wishing power and worshiping your own ego.
Just another opportunist making use of people's misery to achieve power.
Loved this scene.
We hated him but he was a great character.
I feel bad for SG. He's basically just outed as being a puppet who could be manipulated by anyone.
good series
“All you did was weaken a planet today.”
Ernwright was like Danzo in Naruto...doing what's great for the village / earth even if it meant using unethical methods
Or like Peacemaker, "I cherish peace with all of my heart. I don't care how many men, women and children I have to kill to get it."
Errinwright is a great example of a villain who's correct about almost everything he says, but is still wrong about the things he believes, and is a fundamentally evil person that must be stopped.
Imagine he is an official in the child protection office. His attitude is analogous to the chief of social work
So you're saying that this whole time his name hasn't been Aaron Wright?
#ErrinwrightDidNothingWrong
im kina disappointed that books never tell what happens to Errinwrigh
Watching the show I was very frustrated when Sorrento-Gillis made an appearance since he seemed so shallow, stupid, and manipulable, and it came across as unrealistic. I figured the SG wouldn't just go with whatever opinion he heard last, so easily swayed by Errinwright, Anna, or Avasarala, with no opinions of his own. This scene justified his character, or lack thereof, making another character acknowledge it, and erased all of that sense of unrealism. In the end, the guy does make you believe that he would speak passionately about a mop.
Erringwright is Expanse’s version of Dolores Umbridge while his boss is Expanse’s version of Cornelius Fudge. Both are a little smarter though.
Nah, Umbridge is petty and evil for no good reason other than personal satisfaction. Errinwright is unethical and evil in pursuit of a something that can be argued to be a greater good, not personal satisfaction.
Sorrento-Gillis and Fudge are kind of similar though.
This occurred earlier in the series when the show actually held my interest
Huh?
@@andrewxu3602 Lmao right? He probably forgot to put a "should have" before "occurred"? Idk.
@@MamadNobariI think he just means that this occurred a few seasons ago and the show has gone downhill since then
@@adburltv Lmao seriously tho, I didn't watch the rest of season 3 after this comment till a month ago lol. Then I only watched till episode 1 of season 4 and haven't watched since 💀
@@MamadNobari Your missing out! I just finished season 4 and i loved it, altough it was a bit slower than season 3.