I was so confused as to why you did not post the speed test in the main video. Now this makes total sense! This is a great balance of making the main review as factual and informative as possible, while still hitting a release schedule! I look forward to the follow up.
Ronin, we love your content. As someone who is personally never likely to try to max out the speed or PWM of any wheel, I’m more interested in your observations and thoughtful comments when you give us your opinion on the new wheels. Your analysis is greatly valued, by a great many people keep on keeping on 👍🏻 All the best, from Scotland 🏴
I guess some people do not understand that exactly this sort of findings are the ones that trigger the manufacturer to investigate and do firmware updates. The hardware is there. Thank you and keep up the awesome work you do for the community.
Ronin - you’re doing your best here. In fact it is good that we see all the good and the bad. With reviews like this it helps/motivates EUC makers to do better. Now we know that the LYNX isnt all perfect. Knowing is half the battle.
As a relatively new - but quite passionate - rider, and someone that is just getting more in depth with my wheels, I have an amateur question: do you set up your PWM in HT or HS mode? I'm a proud owner of the Lynx and want to make sure my parameters are accurate. Sorry if the answer is obvious! 😅 EUC greetings from Serbia!
Great looking wheel! Love that it’s a 20” and lighter. But that 50s battery data sheet don’t lie and zen reporting degradation at 2k miles already. Hope they still offer 50e.
The degradation reported on that data sheet represents charge and discharge rates and depths of discharge that you will never come close to on the lynx. The cycle life is going to be absolutely excellent. 2000 miles is not even remotely accurate.
How did you manage to remove the decals from your knee-guards? Did you cover them up with tape or scrape/rub them off with something? They look way better this way!
I'd just point out again, PWM was bouncing between 75% and 83% as your speed varied between 42 and 48 mph. PWM looks at power draw, not at speed. You can't simply take the final reading and suggest the PWM is that level at that speed. In fact, you can see in the video the speed shows 48 mph and the PWM briefly flashes 77%. PWM is accounting for rate of acceleration, given that acceleration draws more energy to accelerate the weight of your body and of the wheel forward. If you accelerate hard to 48, peak PWM will be higher. If you accelerate more gradually to 48, peak PWM will be lower. It's really hard to get these tests perfect. A slight boost in acceleration can increase PWM. A slight incline coming out of the tunnel (which is where your reading was taken) can increase PWM. A slight head wind can increase PWM. Colder weather can increase air resistance and PWM. Unless all wheels are tested in the exact same conditions (ie they are tested back to back with the reading taken on flat ground with the same wind and temperature conditions), it'll be pretty difficult to get an apples to apples comparison. Sure, the Begode wheels got higher speeds at lower PWM... but some of them may have been tested in warmer weather, or the speed may have been hit at a different incline, or a more gradual rate of acceleration. Roger was riding the Lynx in California where it was warm enough to wear a light shirt. Elevation was higher, so possibly less air resistance. Hard to know what he wind was like. Not sure what the weight difference in the riders is. It's impossible to say whether he was on an incline/decline/flat ground without seeing where he tested. He says it was flat, but clearly that's just from eyeballing it. He may have also maintained a lower peak PWM due to a slower and more consistent acceleration rate. It's also possible the PWM was higher during his test, as he wasn't able to confirm what the PWM reading was, but simply went to the first beeps. Assuming the beeps were set at the same PWM %, which I don't think we know, Ronin didn't go to the beeps so never hit the same PWM. In no world were these tests close to being equivalent. Given the power overhead of this wheel, and not enough information from Leaper kim yet on whether the PWM is reading accurately, and further confusion on whether the app is properly registering the PWM... I think this is more of a wait and see type of situation. It's hard to weigh the accuracy of the tests just yet. Throwing another wrench into the spokes, we don't exactly know the stat differences between the 50E and 50S cells. No one has tested the 50S version yet AFAIK.
You are set the 100% PWM to max free spin? but the Leaperkim have limit the Lynx free spin to 125KMph correct? They claimed Lynx can free spin up to 160Kmph. Should the PWM also set to this highest free spin limit for fullcharge battery.
I'm the triggered guy 😂 Still love you. Just didn't want the disappointing results propagating around the web. I usually test with your exact methodology for what's it's worth. Just couldn't do with this wheel. Cheers
I don't think it was you that was triggered. Anyways someone that hasn't even rode the wheel took Ronins speed run data and made his own video and called it a "Disappointment" SMFH
@@hankVa13ncia Yeah, Wheel Good Time just completely downed the wheel as if he had ridden it already, that wasn't something he should have done especially with only one opinion and that coming from Ronin.
In my opinion it is simple. This wheel is the only wheel on the market with SW limitation of the freespin. Therefore calibration of the PWM based on freespin is wrong and a lot underestimated...
Electric Dreams got to 55mph with no issue so perhaps it's a conflict with Darknessbot. And just being Devil's Advocate here, assuming you were in high-speed mode, yes?
If you're adjusting the PWM to 100% based on the cutout during a lift test, then I believe you're underestimating the PWM %. The wheel has a static speed limit of 77 mph regardless of what the PWM is actually at. When it cuts out, the wheel hasn't actually hit its power limit. At least.... that's my understanding. More likely, Leaperkim is limiting the spin speed to 77 mph to avoid the risk of damage or injury during a lift test. If the limit were removed, then the wheel's claimed max spin speed is 104 mph. If the wheel was actually at... say... 90% PWM when it cuts out during the lift test, then the PWM on your app could have an error factor of 0.1%. Each percentage increment in your app will actually only be 0.9%, so the 83% you hit on your test would actually only be 75%. Assuming I'm not completely wrong here, that would mean you have a good bit of overhead left in the wheel. Now add in all the other factors I mentioned in my other comment about incline, temperature, wind, rate of acceleration, etc that impact PWM. Even if the PWM in the app was accurate, those other factors make comparing these results with the other test results an apples to oranges comparison.
Roger isn't Chinese. I'm sure he weighs more than half of your weight 😉 As someone who is slightly involved with this, trust me, Roger was not triggered. I'm only writing that here because you used the word triggered half a dozen times so I figure it's important to clarify. I'm sure we can all get along 👍
Writing and actions are different. I was available to talk and easily reachable before, but actions described in the video have been done instead and surely looked like triggers. I used this word half a dozen times, as half as Roger's weight vs mine. 😉
I don't think Roger weights half as you he must be around 75kg more with gear. Waiting for your next speedrun. -Edit: Also btw easy way to test it, lend an android and use eucworld-
I understand viewers frustration with you. Why don’t you work out the bugs first, get a true speed run and then post an entire video with a true end result and explain all the set backs along the way.
The community has to be better than this, too many people arguing and too much division in this community these days. This is supposed to be a hobby that unifies, not divides.
The issue is that's without explaining the problem everyone picks up the bad information It needs to be corrected or bad data gets spread around. This impacts does needlessly.
I normally go through his exact same process to find the safe limits of a wheel. there is some strange voodoo going on in the firmware that is feeding DarknessBot misleading information.
Black Americans make up 13% of the population but commit.... stats, bad or good can lead to all sorts of conclusions being drawn. So it's wise to provide some form of conclusion to a study.
Also... You were wrong. When people hear PWM they equate that to a value between 0-100 indicating how close the wheel is to 100% of its potential power output. Whilst DB displays PWM, its obviously wrong. We can know that based on a few things. 1) top speed software cap means max free spin isnt 100% pwm 2) field weakening meaning the power usage isnt the same logarithmic curve. Also. Its not that you didnt have data points. To be clear, its becauze those data points are treated as fact by everyone and then all over the place people are saying "wheel is bad, its only 48mph at 85pwm" which isnt true in how they are describing it. Sometimes ronin you gotta just take an L. You thiught you could trust DB. It got something wrong. You helped soread bad information. The result of that is you will get called out. Accept it and move on. Roger making a car video isnt because he has no effort. Its because its a response to the community. Whilst we like edited videos. Its not like youtubr should only consist of them. You being annoyed at this seems a bit churlish. Your video i mostly ignored. But one of the EUC content regurgitaters took your content and labled a video 'Veteran Lynx DISSAPOINTS" And then uses your data as gospel, further spreading bs.
There is no "L" to take here (i had to Google this), its just a debate😊. While you noted all the small references in the video, like the car one, you didn't get why i said so. The car one was just so that who this was about knows, that's all. I watch a lot of unedited videos (i watch everything actually, including those made in cars :)) Im not responsible for the bad use of my findings. For the rest everything is in my video. As always Thank you for watching!
Veteran Sherman...Lynx. As we all know China's economy is entering a deflationary State...What does that mean though? And what does that mean for Ewheels🔥? It means incoming purchase orders are down. Which means a more expensive ewheel will sell less often then a Cheaply priced ewheel. So what does this have to do with Leaperkim and the Lynx? Well as we all know Begode is planning to relase a 164v ewheel for the coming 2024 year with additional upgrades.....The prospects that sales figures will be down is on the rise and herein Veteran Sherman has an oppurtunity to Capitalize on the economic situation and introduce it's own version of the Veteran Sherman Lynx Pro upgrade with the 184v option, a 4500w motor with a waterproofing rating, hardened shell, suspension with 130mm of travel, spiked peddels, a redundant BMS, 48 now 50 mophstats, 50s modular battery packs, improved lighting, a better tire option that doesn't rub, an Integrated kick stand and improved trolly handle with seat, a bluetooth speaker and all in a 20 in. tire 😱-OMG!!!🏷.....💳 🫣-Can Leaperkim pull off this Beast🐾 of a miricle ewheel in time for the Begode preview though 🤣👍🏻-Only time ⏳️ will tell...💰
Love your honesty & positive attitude! Keep it up buddy! Much appreciated! 👍
Thank you for your efforts in advancing our EUC community & products! 👏
I was so confused as to why you did not post the speed test in the main video. Now this makes total sense! This is a great balance of making the main review as factual and informative as possible, while still hitting a release schedule! I look forward to the follow up.
Thanks! Yeah that was a bit exceptional to not discuss speed in my review but it will be discussed hopefully soon enough!
Ronin, we love your content. As someone who is personally never likely to try to max out the speed or PWM of any wheel, I’m more interested in your observations and thoughtful comments when you give us your opinion on the new wheels. Your analysis is greatly valued, by a great many people keep on keeping on 👍🏻 All the best, from Scotland 🏴
Thank you!
greetings from Scotland also
I guess some people do not understand that exactly this sort of findings are the ones that trigger the manufacturer to investigate and do firmware updates. The hardware is there. Thank you and keep up the awesome work you do for the community.
Thank you!
exactly!!!!
Ronin - you’re doing your best here. In fact it is good that we see all the good and the bad. With reviews like this it helps/motivates EUC makers to do better. Now we know that the LYNX isnt all perfect. Knowing is half the battle.
Thanks!
Thank you.. the more I learn the more I want it...
Great!
@@Ronin_Ryder my wife gave me the green light. Just need to order at the right time, so I am home to receive it....
Great content Ronin❤
Thanks! That was an old drama, created by Leaperkim's incompetence to show a correct pwm. All is good now ahah :)
You are my favorite reviewer!
Thank you, that's very nice to say.
@@Ronin_Ryder Most welcome! Well deserved :)
Thanks very much 👍
Great video! Was waiting for the speed results since you last video.
Thanks, Will happen soon enough!
Fantastic! People forget their riding weight. Keep doing what you're doing man. 🤙🏽
Thanks! 🙏🙏
As a relatively new - but quite passionate - rider, and someone that is just getting more in depth with my wheels, I have an amateur question: do you set up your PWM in HT or HS mode? I'm a proud owner of the Lynx and want to make sure my parameters are accurate. Sorry if the answer is obvious! 😅 EUC greetings from Serbia!
Lynx doesn't report the pwm correctly so there is not much to set up on that front. Enjoy your ride journey!
@@Ronin_Ryder Thanks a lot! Be safe - and thank you for great contributions to the EUC community!
Great looking wheel! Love that it’s a 20” and lighter. But that 50s battery data sheet don’t lie and zen reporting degradation at 2k miles already. Hope they still offer 50e.
It is a beautiful wheel!
The degradation reported on that data sheet represents charge and discharge rates and depths of discharge that you will never come close to on the lynx. The cycle life is going to be absolutely excellent. 2000 miles is not even remotely accurate.
How did you manage to remove the decals from your knee-guards? Did you cover them up with tape or scrape/rub them off with something? They look way better this way!
I covered them with black reflective tape
@@Ronin_Ryder Nice, looks really dope! Thanks for explaining!
What kind of kneepads are you running? They look nice and compact and fit well. Thanks
Leatt dual axis
@@Ronin_Ryder got it, thank you! I have the same but mine are large/extra large and they look like football pads! 😂
Keep on bro. You are good
I appreciate your comment, thanks!
Which one is the fastest and stable?😊
I'd just point out again, PWM was bouncing between 75% and 83% as your speed varied between 42 and 48 mph. PWM looks at power draw, not at speed. You can't simply take the final reading and suggest the PWM is that level at that speed. In fact, you can see in the video the speed shows 48 mph and the PWM briefly flashes 77%. PWM is accounting for rate of acceleration, given that acceleration draws more energy to accelerate the weight of your body and of the wheel forward. If you accelerate hard to 48, peak PWM will be higher. If you accelerate more gradually to 48, peak PWM will be lower.
It's really hard to get these tests perfect. A slight boost in acceleration can increase PWM. A slight incline coming out of the tunnel (which is where your reading was taken) can increase PWM. A slight head wind can increase PWM. Colder weather can increase air resistance and PWM. Unless all wheels are tested in the exact same conditions (ie they are tested back to back with the reading taken on flat ground with the same wind and temperature conditions), it'll be pretty difficult to get an apples to apples comparison. Sure, the Begode wheels got higher speeds at lower PWM... but some of them may have been tested in warmer weather, or the speed may have been hit at a different incline, or a more gradual rate of acceleration.
Roger was riding the Lynx in California where it was warm enough to wear a light shirt. Elevation was higher, so possibly less air resistance. Hard to know what he wind was like. Not sure what the weight difference in the riders is. It's impossible to say whether he was on an incline/decline/flat ground without seeing where he tested. He says it was flat, but clearly that's just from eyeballing it. He may have also maintained a lower peak PWM due to a slower and more consistent acceleration rate. It's also possible the PWM was higher during his test, as he wasn't able to confirm what the PWM reading was, but simply went to the first beeps. Assuming the beeps were set at the same PWM %, which I don't think we know, Ronin didn't go to the beeps so never hit the same PWM. In no world were these tests close to being equivalent.
Given the power overhead of this wheel, and not enough information from Leaper kim yet on whether the PWM is reading accurately, and further confusion on whether the app is properly registering the PWM... I think this is more of a wait and see type of situation. It's hard to weigh the accuracy of the tests just yet.
Throwing another wrench into the spokes, we don't exactly know the stat differences between the 50E and 50S cells. No one has tested the 50S version yet AFAIK.
I still love this wheel. I hope we get it to go about 7 miles or so faster.
What price?
How do you find the foot locks sir?....i ride outside of pedals similar to yourself and have ordered the lynx...u think I might need wider ones
I don't mind them, but i dont really use them. At some point i removed them completely, you will see that in my next video.
You are set the 100% PWM to max free spin?
but the Leaperkim have limit the Lynx free spin to 125KMph correct? They claimed Lynx can free spin up to 160Kmph. Should the PWM also set to this highest free spin limit for fullcharge battery.
unrelated but can we just take a moment to look at how far euc’s have come? it’s insane
I have the Patton, and the Lynx is looking sick too. So glad I waited to get into the hobby because I would’ve wasted a LOT of money😅
Thank you !!!
No, I thank you! 😊
Well results will vary... Thats a given with eucs.
I'm the triggered guy 😂
Still love you.
Just didn't want the disappointing results propagating around the web. I usually test with your exact methodology for what's it's worth. Just couldn't do with this wheel.
Cheers
I don't think it was you that was triggered. Anyways someone that hasn't even rode the wheel took Ronins speed run data and made his own video and called it a "Disappointment" SMFH
Next time, hit me up offline first.🙏
@@hankVa13ncia Yeah, Wheel Good Time just completely downed the wheel as if he had ridden it already, that wasn't something he should have done especially with only one opinion and that coming from Ronin.
How much do you weigh?? You probably should include that too
I mentioned it in the video 😊
@@Ronin_Ryder oh, gotta look again
In my opinion it is simple. This wheel is the only wheel on the market with SW limitation of the freespin. Therefore calibration of the PWM based on freespin is wrong and a lot underestimated...
Electric Dreams got to 55mph with no issue so perhaps it's a conflict with Darknessbot. And just being Devil's Advocate here, assuming you were in high-speed mode, yes?
Yes, but again there may be some findings to be made. Will keep everybody posted!
I don't think there is a high speed mode?
If you're adjusting the PWM to 100% based on the cutout during a lift test, then I believe you're underestimating the PWM %. The wheel has a static speed limit of 77 mph regardless of what the PWM is actually at. When it cuts out, the wheel hasn't actually hit its power limit. At least.... that's my understanding. More likely, Leaperkim is limiting the spin speed to 77 mph to avoid the risk of damage or injury during a lift test. If the limit were removed, then the wheel's claimed max spin speed is 104 mph.
If the wheel was actually at... say... 90% PWM when it cuts out during the lift test, then the PWM on your app could have an error factor of 0.1%. Each percentage increment in your app will actually only be 0.9%, so the 83% you hit on your test would actually only be 75%. Assuming I'm not completely wrong here, that would mean you have a good bit of overhead left in the wheel. Now add in all the other factors I mentioned in my other comment about incline, temperature, wind, rate of acceleration, etc that impact PWM. Even if the PWM in the app was accurate, those other factors make comparing these results with the other test results an apples to oranges comparison.
Roger isn't Chinese. I'm sure he weighs more than half of your weight 😉 As someone who is slightly involved with this, trust me, Roger was not triggered. I'm only writing that here because you used the word triggered half a dozen times so I figure it's important to clarify. I'm sure we can all get along 👍
Writing and actions are different. I was available to talk and easily reachable before, but actions described in the video have been done instead and surely looked like triggers. I used this word half a dozen times, as half as Roger's weight vs mine. 😉
@@Ronin_Ryder 🙂
I don't think Roger weights half as you he must be around 75kg more with gear. Waiting for your next speedrun.
-Edit: Also btw easy way to test it, lend an android and use eucworld-
EUC world was reporting wrong as well.
@@roghaj scratch that then 😅
The problem isn't the app anymore but the value reported by the wheel
I understand viewers frustration with you. Why don’t you work out the bugs first, get a true speed run and then post an entire video with a true end result and explain all the set backs along the way.
Because at the time of the test, i did the necessary steps to verify results were accurate, as explained in the video.
The community has to be better than this, too many people arguing and too much division in this community these days. This is supposed to be a hobby that unifies, not divides.
The issue is that's without explaining the problem everyone picks up the bad information
It needs to be corrected or bad data gets spread around. This impacts does needlessly.
its you who have to take responsibility for your methodology.
I normally go through his exact same process to find the safe limits of a wheel. there is some strange voodoo going on in the firmware that is feeding DarknessBot misleading information.
People are stupid for making conclusions about you just cause you posted some data without giving any opinion
Black Americans make up 13% of the population but commit....
stats, bad or good can lead to all sorts of conclusions being drawn. So it's wise to provide some form of conclusion to a study.
@@InsanitiesBrotherwhat conclusions do you draw from that mate?
Time for AI to get the job done. So you can focus more on creativity instead of 12h work.
Also... You were wrong. When people hear PWM they equate that to a value between 0-100 indicating how close the wheel is to 100% of its potential power output.
Whilst DB displays PWM, its obviously wrong. We can know that based on a few things.
1) top speed software cap means max free spin isnt 100% pwm
2) field weakening meaning the power usage isnt the same logarithmic curve.
Also. Its not that you didnt have data points. To be clear, its becauze those data points are treated as fact by everyone and then all over the place people are saying "wheel is bad, its only 48mph at 85pwm" which isnt true in how they are describing it.
Sometimes ronin you gotta just take an L. You thiught you could trust DB. It got something wrong. You helped soread bad information.
The result of that is you will get called out. Accept it and move on.
Roger making a car video isnt because he has no effort. Its because its a response to the community.
Whilst we like edited videos. Its not like youtubr should only consist of them. You being annoyed at this seems a bit churlish.
Your video i mostly ignored. But one of the EUC content regurgitaters took your content and labled a video 'Veteran Lynx DISSAPOINTS" And then uses your data as gospel, further spreading bs.
There is no "L" to take here (i had to Google this), its just a debate😊. While you noted all the small references in the video, like the car one, you didn't get why i said so. The car one was just so that who this was about knows, that's all. I watch a lot of unedited videos (i watch everything actually, including those made in cars :)) Im not responsible for the bad use of my findings. For the rest everything is in my video. As always Thank you for watching!
Veteran Sherman...Lynx.
As we all know China's economy is entering a deflationary State...What does that mean though? And what does that mean for Ewheels🔥? It means incoming purchase orders are down. Which means a more expensive ewheel will sell less often then a Cheaply priced ewheel. So what does this have to do with Leaperkim and the Lynx? Well as we all know Begode is planning to relase a 164v ewheel for the coming 2024 year with additional upgrades.....The prospects that sales figures will be down is on the rise and herein Veteran Sherman has an oppurtunity to Capitalize on the economic situation and introduce it's own version of the Veteran Sherman Lynx Pro upgrade with the 184v option, a 4500w motor with a waterproofing rating, hardened shell, suspension with 130mm of travel, spiked peddels, a redundant BMS, 48 now 50 mophstats, 50s modular battery packs, improved lighting, a better tire option that doesn't rub, an
Integrated kick stand and improved trolly handle with seat, a bluetooth speaker and all in a 20 in. tire
😱-OMG!!!🏷.....💳
🫣-Can Leaperkim pull off this Beast🐾 of a miricle ewheel in time for the Begode preview though 🤣👍🏻-Only time ⏳️ will tell...💰
You know how to hype things dear sir!
Thank you father!