@@Apexsparestyeah and they probably didn’t reference it to him cuz they knew it was probably some other Tony if anything so they just were like hey Tony’s back but it’d be weird to him if we referenced stuff to him that happened to another Tony
@@chrisdiaz582 no the iron Man that we saw in chapter 5 season 4 is the same one from chapter 2 season 4 How do I know and can prove this? Because the description of the iron Man from chapter 5 season 4 says "The Avengers' benefactor and creator of a gamma powered Battle Bus." Witches of course what happened in the Galactus event
@@jasonvfg9896 it cant be though. that is the mcu iron man. not just that, but the mark 54 ironman from avengers age of ultron wile the ironman from chapter 2 season 4 was the comic version of him.
@ oh yeah than now I’m lowkey confused maybe they didn’t remember or they just didn’t bother bringing up the past but I feel like making a couple more of those bomb like busses would have helped against doom
@ Well you’re blind if you don’t see the storyline. There is still a storyline, they just don’t explain it well. The event and cinematic showed how we ended up on ch6
From what I understood, Chapter OG was a separate reality than the one from Chapter 4(Reality Zero), as the only reason we went back in time was to "find something" and get a new home for the inhabitants of the Chapter 4 island, as the Zero Point in Chapter 4 petrified, making that reality start to perish. When we repeated the Season X End Event in Chapter OG, instead of reality rebuilding itself, it instead exploded into a Big Bang, creating other realities, along with the Chapter 5 island. And from a voiceline we're told that all the inhabitants from Chapter 4 moved to the Chapter 5 island, just before the former perished. Altho it's kinda odd cus I remember I read somewhere that there's only ONE Zero Point so there being another Zero Point in Chapter OG doesn't make sense. Maybe Chapter OG was our reality in the past but after the Big Bang it branched into another timeline or idkk. But anyways.. So following a weird timeline, Chapter 5 is like an alternate timeline/remix of Chapter 2. And Chapter Remix was a dream from what I understood(also from a leaked text that was supposed to appear at the end of the Remix Finale event that said "Wake up.") and now we've traveled to the Chapter 6 island, along with a Zero Point shard, which makes me wonder what really happened to the Zero Point. But anyways to answer the question in the title, all previous Chapters ARE canon. Also Jones has talked about his past with the Zero Point and even referenced Iron Man being back in C5S4 soo ye
In most cases when you time travel, so as long you dont change anything in the past (though in most cases that would technically be theoretically impossible due to your presesnt existance in the past is already a change in itself) then the timeline stays in tact. However just like how you mentioned, on how this could be an alternate timeline, it may be the closest possible answer. When you alter something in the past you dont really change your future rather you make a branch timeline that follows its own path and making its own reality, hence why there is still some references to the other chapters though vague. While the deletion of those chapter could be possible its not 100% confirmed (unless someone has a source that it is) so the whole chapter 1 remix is just another branch in the timeline the moment we entered the island. Another theory that could be possible aswell is that our jonesy isnt the one that we came with from the beginning and are just another snapshot, (hence they barely remember anything in chapter 2-4) or that its an alternate, due to the change in timelines. Same can kinda be said with the marvel characters as they also have different realities and timelines that they have so they could also be different versions of the marvel character (though if i remember correctly there is only one galactus out of every reality) Now with the zero point this is where i get kinda stumped. A theory could be that when the big bang happened that it created even more realities than ever and spliting its pieces in different realites/chapters. I feel like as the season progresses we get hints of where the other pieces could be and jump into other realites and timelines like chapter 3 remix and chapter 7+. Other than that, most of what i just mentioned is all theories and nothing fully confirmed
Yeah the storm is a product of the zero point so the zero point has to be on the chapter 6 map, or Fortnite just said screw it and it’s not that anymore,
The zero point is fractured into fragments, wich is why we were able to have the loop continue even outside of reality zero, you can see an example of one of these zero point fragments in the cinematic trailer for chapter 6 and the end of the chapter 2 remix event
i feel like jones is the kind of guy to say hes besties with the billionaire playboy guy that everyones obsessed with (which is how iron man usually rolls) also the shield thing is likely because he is a leader of the resistance, which no doubt put him at a trustworthy enough level to where iron man would give him a shield. also because captain america being the fortnite guy is very fortnite
what happened is that the timeline of Chapter 1 OG soft-rebooted the storyline. Chapter 5 is a continuation of Chapter 4, but the Zero Point became The Everything. By The Everything, I mean, The Zero Point merged with Reality itself. What it implies is that, everything is canon, but also not. We were all tricked, but there isn't a single Zero Point. It's all echoes of a more infinite reality, a.k.a, the Neo Point ( New Zero Point, which, is literally Everything ). The, what I call myself, Neo Point, is literally the omniverse.
@memor22 it's stupid, but that's how i would explain why we can travel back in time. All the lore about saving reality was useless and led to Chapter 1 OG. I suspect that's why the I.O couldn't care less in Chapter 2 Season 5 when The Zero Point was about to fail its bloom. They said screw it, The Nothing wins on this one, let's just this Omniverse die. Everything before Chapter 1 OG was pre-Big Bang, with only one Omniverse ( supposedly ) and then post-big-bang, with Omniverse's.
That's actually sick in a way, which would explain why a shard of it landed in Chapter 6, as that was just a shard of its outer shell. Like memor22 said, I liked the reality-ending-when-ouch-ball better but what can you do. Also from some voicelines, we're told both the Zero Point in Chapter 4 existed simultaneously as the Chapter 5 island, so make use of that information as u will
@@NatsuKikoCh no the zero still exists but your partially right the zero long. Is just split into fragments, like the fragment in the chapter 6 cinematic
There are a few things I want to point out and clarify. First, Chapter 3's Cuddle team Leader Head statue was put on the map in the last few weeks of Chapter 5 season 4, which means Chapter 3 season 3 is still canon. Second Jones says in one of the voice lines in chapter 5 that he was stuck in the zero point for a long time, which means that he may have been stuck until we got to chapter 5 island, and is unaware of what happened after the event. Another thing is that we, The Looper, might have stayed in the future with Slone while Jones went back in time and changed things, which is further corroborated by the fact that during the Chapter 2 Remix Live Event, the text "WAKE UP" (which was either scrapped or may have not shown up due to a possible programing oversight) was meant to appear, proving that the entire Chapter 2 Remix was a dream, which could be the result of Jones Time travel shenanigans messing with our memory of Chapter 2. Lastly, the thing that flew into the island in the Chapter 6 trailer was a piece of the Zero Point, which means one of two things: A. The Zero point has been Cracked after the OG event, where it wasn't cracked when the event started, or B. Due to Jones time travel, there are two different Zero Points, The One from OG, Chapter 5, and 6, and the one from The original timeline of Chapters 2, 3, and 4.
I personally feel like Fortnite is going for a multi-chapter storyline. This has already started since chapter 5. I believe after the bigbang, the Zero point did explode into 3 or 4 pieces. Over the next chapters we are travelling between realities discovering artifacts. (Proven with Pandoras box being part of 'something bigger') I believe that the zero point fragments landed on different realities and as a self preservation mechanism it resarts the loop and storm, (explains loop on chapter 5 and 6) Once we have discovered all the Artifacts are discovered and brought together, the zero point could be fully restored draining the artifacts of their power. (Could finally conclude the Seven storyline by Jones finding them.) Android in one epic multi chapter conclusion we could wrap up all the loose ends, the seven, the io, hell even the last reality, finally allowing Fortnites New creative director to let the zero point rest and go his own route with the story
Slight correction haha, you probably heard it from other people who misunderstood Jones's dialogue there, but: Jones wasn't actually stuck IN the zero point, he was metaphorically speaking saying he "got lost in it" because he became _obsessed_ with it. The point he was trying to teach hope is to not become obsessed with the "all-powerful magic" type stuff because it will destroy you.
Back in Season OG, Slone's messages explicitly stated that we weren't going back in time to "change the future", and she said that this was an "extraction". There was also an NPC in Chapter 5 who said the following: “Eons ago and very far away, the stars blinked out, one by one. until there were only a few left.” “Then, a brilliant owl helped a clever fox chew a hole through the world.” “And that tear ripped open all of space, filling the vast emptiness with an eternity of new stars.” This is probably referring to the Nothing and the Last Reality's conquest, plus the Zero Point was dying/dead/petrified in Ch4 - and the "tear" that "ripped open all of space" being the Big Bang to replace the destroyed realities consumed by the Nothing during Chapter 4. Additionally, we know that the Seven's tech (like Paradigm's suit) is able to focus the Zero Point on specific realities. I reckon that the rocket in the Big Bang event used the time machine to focus the Zero Point onto a specific *time,* rather than a specific *reality* - and the Big Bang effectively sent a blast of Zero Point energy into the future and restored the dying Omniverse to its former glory.
So you're suggesting we stole the zero point from the past, to save the dying future? Seems logical, especially since it was an extraction mission. Here's the thing though, wouldn't the absence of the zero point in the past lead to the past just unraveling and, causing the future to also not exist, cause no past=no future? Or did we create a branched timeline and then subsequently destroyed said timeline to save our own? Like how does time travel work in the Fortnite universe exactly, does changing the past influence the future, or does it create a different branched reality? Either way, a timeline was destroyed in the process of these events(following this logic) The Fortnite storyline straight up makes no sense anymore tbh nvm upon reading again, I think you just mean we rifted some Zero Point energy into the future, not the Zero Point itself, which means all of these issues I listed don't apply lol.
Which may explain why everything is more meshed together now, why we can literally become Lego, it’s as the zero point got splattered across the universe
Mephisto blowing up the zero point makes zero sense especially considering hope literally transporting us to the chapter 6 map through her graffiti with the rift beacon that took us to chapter 2 wich was not even real it was a dream/fake reality similar to the ones in the Ariana grande concert, and hope and jones possibly revealed the zero point fragment through that method, and we we termed the chapter 6 reality though a rift
Actually, what makes sense is that Hope using her powers in combination with the Rift Beacon to rift us from Chapter 5 to 6, and the Chapter 2 Remix was the dream state we needed to be put in as we were rifting to a different reality, and it wasn't going to be an easy trip. So we were put into the dream state to safely transfer.
@ mmm yes but no I think they needed the dream reality, so they could retrieve or reveal the zero point shard, and the shard was trying to be found wich is why hope has these powers and why they are activated with a rift
Bruce Banner/hulk's explanation of time travel in avengers endgame makes it all make sense for me. "If you travel to the past, that past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can't now be changed by your new future"
Explaination: Because we went back in time for season og, we ended up altering the past which is why some events and details from chapter og where slightly different than how they where originally in chapter 1. Because of this, when the season x event happened in chapter og, we where sent to a new reality just like the original big bang event, but because we had altered some events in the past durring chapter og, we also changed the future, which was the whole reason we went back in time in the first place to prevent the future from going down the same way as it did originally. This explains why we where sent to the chapter 5 map, which is technically the chapter 2 of this new/altered timeline, and why it looks so different because it literally is. Things played out different in the past, therefore the future is now different aswell, meaning that the events of og chapter 2,3,and 4 TECHNICALLY DID happen, but they where just reversed. Think of it like spilling water out of a cup and then soaking it up with a sponge and then pouring it back into the same cup, but not all of the water that was spilled was drained back into the same cup. You can add new water to increase the ammount of water back to how much it was before it was spilt, but it wont be the same water as before. Chapter 2 remix was a dream our character had while traveling from chapter 5 to chapter 6, recalling their memories of the original chapter 2 but their memories of the events where slightly different because it was a dream. Sorry for the paragraph, i hope this helped clear up any confusion!
3:46 mega city was rifted onto the chapter 4 island. It came from the chapter 6 island. If mega city never happened we would've gotten it back with the start of chapter 6
6:45 its because in the animated cat trailer, theres a train station between chapter 5 and 6! this means they're in the same universe/are and or are connected via a train
6:13 after the doom event, some people on the island messed with the final rift beacon causing us to go to an alternate reality where rappers are in charge instead of the ghost or shadow, or io, or seven Chapter 6 is a separate reality that we went to after the remix event, remix isn’t a dream, “keep dreaming with juice wrld” is just to honor juice wrld
So two things actually that reference the previous season: Jones saying stuff about Iron man being a friend and how good Stark Tech is, and then Steve Rogers giving Jones the suit and shield because he felt he would need it, likely because he trusted him I would imagine, which wiuld only happen if they'd preciously worked together.
I think that when we used the time machine to go back to ch. 1, we entered a different ch. 1 reality, since the map and mechanics were slightly different. (Time Machine in Pleasant, sprinting and sliding, etc.) Then, in that different ch. 1 reality, the live event was also different, and took us into ch. 5, where the original ch. 1 took us into ch. 2.
After the og season live event we did go to chapter two because as mentioned by epic themselves chapter five is altered version of chapter two. Because we messed with chapter one and put the Time Machine on the rocket, that changed the events leading us into the “altered version of chapter two.” More evidence is that is both season twos Midas and his group were their, in chapter two season three they added cars, and in chapter five season three it was all themed around cars, and finally chapter five season four and chapter two season four were both marvel seasons. Also not to mention remix which literally brought us back to chapter two.
During the season 4 finale they used the rift beacon to travel to chapter 6. Chapter 2 remix was just something for us in story. It's just a new reality that was created after the Big bang because you can see that reality during that same event A whole year before chapter 2 remix came out
3:51 I think really the only characters that are in their original reality from chapter 6 is the High Stakes Club. On the Chapter 4 island, when you went to talk to Helsie as any of the skins in the battle pass and her club members, she had her own unique dialogue for them. But if you go to them now using those same skins, there is no unique dialogue, only for her club members. But really it’s kinda confusing since she does say how they’ve been working under the scenes last time we saw them in Chapter 4 so it’s confusing if she and Joni actually remember us from the chapter 4 island or it just never existed. Which also means that they never killed Kado Thorn or the Countless Darkaru so there’s still a lot of mystery of what happened to Chapter 4 imo (Skins used (Lucien West, Joni the Scarlet, Maasai, Dusty, The Ageless, Nezumi, and Countless Daraku, and any random skin)
The lore on how we got to chapter 2 remix was explained in hopes messages to valeria. She finds out that her paintings can tell the future, and she just does whatever comes in her head. The stark rift Beacon hit the chapter 2 remix painting she made, and it opened the gateway to that reality. And from their, ig juice wrld sent us to the next reality idk. If the new chapter 2 reality is ruled by music artists, id think it was probably fate and they were supposed to do that. The zero point shard leads me to believe juice wrld or snoop destroyed the zero point in that reality, leaving it to fade away as a memory, (or a dream lol), while everyone else goes to another reality. Juice wrld is baked into the lore now
I like to believe that the time travel worked kinda like how the Mcu time travel worked where when we travelled to chapter 1 we changed some things and diverged from the main timeline causing the chapter 2 map to be altered in this timeline into the chapter 5 map (also causing bullet drop) and then instead of galactus feeling the zero point's power, doom did causing him to make his way to the island and once he was defeated some unknown being (either iron man or someone from the remix collabs) used one of the leftover rift beacons to fix the timeline (causing us to return to chapter 2's island). Now by some means that will probably be explained by the new chapters story quests the zero point has fractured causing a chunk to land in this new reality causing the loop to form here (possibly temporarily) and opening portals to this "spirit realm" allowing demons to invade the island in search of the zero point, now jones and hope are trying to return the fractured piece of the zero point before the demons can I also think the New permanent og is the result of the same fracturing of the zero point creating a new timeline where history repeats itself but this time at an acelerated rate. Ps, is it just me or do the demons portals have a familiar purple glow (The Last reality).
There was meant to be a text that would come up during thd chapter 2 remix finale that said, wake up, implying we were dreaming. We could have been defeated by doom and he destroyed the chapter 5 island. When we woke up we were rift butterflies and maybe some other stuff happend. Jones and hope havexd come to chapter 6 to find out about the zero point shard
Very interesting video, Ill explain from what I know. Obviously, Ch1,Ch2, Ch3, and Ch4 are connected stories. Ch1 black hole event rematerialized island to Ch2 and then flip side to Ch3. Then the herald destroyed the island and paradigm reconstructed new pieces of islands with the help of zero point to make ch4 island. At the end we transport back to Ch1 island, which is Season OG. At the end of Season OG, the time machine is attached to the rocket, and we actually enter a new reality. This is where it takes a turn. Slone at the end of OG said in the story quests that its not the last time they will meet. Slone was still on the Ch4 island, but Jones went in the time machine, and anything he says would be communicated with Slone immediately. Remember, the memories of the loopers and Jones still stay the same though, if you remember the comics from Batman Fortnite in Ch2. So now at the end of OG season, Jones gets into a new reality, which is Ch 5 island. Now Jones in Ch5 has to save Peely from Society in season 1, obviously he knows Peely, memories still stay the same. Story for Ch5 in a nutshell: season 1- society vs underground, valeria opens pandoras box and flees island. season 2- greek gods infiltrate island and yes shadow agents return here as well knowing each other cause the memories part. season 3- ares statue activated pandoras box to cause wasteland to appear, season 4- doom destroys megalo don and here I might explain more. During the Marvel season, even though he doesn't directly state anything about the previous marvel season, doesn't mean he doesn't know it. Hope is the main character of Ch5, and she has no idea about any of this, Jones just wants to save the island in the here and now. At the ending of Ch 5 season 4, rift beacons show up on island and we rift back to ch 2 island, remixed. During the Ch2 remix, Hope talks to Valeria through communication devices saying the Underground is for her, Hope wont be around for a while and Jones is with Hope still. So the Ch 5 still exists. At the end of the Ch 2 Remix event we get shown a light from dream which we take to go to a new reality, which is Ch 6. Also, at the end of this event, if you saw it or watch a replay of it online, you will see Hope and Jones follow the light which takes us to Ch 6. And again memories still retain, cause now in Ch 6, Hope mentions its her first time leaving to a new reality, even though Jones is there. And thats wraps for now. Also, want to mention something about Hope. Since the start of Ch 5, she had monitors in her room, and on the monitors it shows the silhouettes of Jones, Peely, and Slone, so she is learning about them and the zero point, etc. And those are monitors are still in Ch 6. Another proof its all still canon, is that the cuddle head team leader head from the poi in ch 3 season 4 survived the destruction and made it to ch 4 season 1, then it returned back in Ch 5 season 4 when rift beacons brought it back, and there's more evidence on other pois/items/etc that return but that's just an example. So right now Ch 4, 5 and 6 islands exist still in different realities. Ch 4 still has Slone, Amie, The Seven. Ch 5 still has the Underground run by Valeria and Nisha, altough I dont know if they will keep their word on that. Ch 6 has Jones, Hope, and the loopers.
3:15 yes it is canon bc in the comics she gets inside of the comics after being a real person, therefore in her world, she remembers everything that happened so she could tell anybody, but she won’t because that would break the storyline 😂
so how i understand it is that we used the rift beacon in remix the prelude, it lead us to the chapter 6 island but at some point during the rift we dreamed chapter 2 remix
the thing is, i think chapter 5 is a reset chapter 2, an intro to the season, faction against faction, a flood of some sort and a marvel season (intro, ghost Vs Shadow and in chapter 5 Gods vs mortals, flood of water, chapter 5 sand, and marvel) Edit: i think chapter 3 is uncanon as if we went to chapter 2 season 2s original state and left it, the cube queen never came and the island never flipped, granted on the first few days of remix the queens glowing orb on the mountain was there but removed a few days later, doesn't mean she came when we left, they probably used a more recent chapter 2 assets, (the distant islands having her orb from seaosn 8 before the cube town)
the continuity lives on with Jones, the loopers/snapshots, The Marvel Heroes, Midas and his crew, the fox clan and the river guard (they're still in their peace treaty that they made during chapter 4), what's left of the time machine, and the shard of the zero point (or the whole thing if it does still exist)
The Midas gang confirm the ghost and shadow war still happened during the Midas event of chapter 5 season 2. So it stands to reason those who experienced those events still remember them.
Guys maybe when are characters were being rifted to chapter 5 to chapter 2 remix we were actually going to chapter 6 instead and are characters brains can’t comprehend what it look like around you when your teleporting or we fell unconscious from spinning around a lot making us dream chapter 2 remix
Chapter 2 Remix was actually an alternate universe where chapter 2 season 2 never finished. The reason this is is because rift beacons make portals to alternate realities. We got transported to Chapter 2 Remix via a rift beacon. That means it was an alternate reality, and not actual OG chapter 2 from the past. It was just a lookalike.
@@LJ-PLAYS-YT Maybe the dream was in fact the concert, Jonesy trying to wake us up from the dream that was the concert, but Chapter 2 Remix was indeed a different reality
Jones’s never teamed up with iron man or other heroes in the first marvel season, he stood against the IO in the primal season leading to Chapter 3 with Spider Man and Foundation the leader of the seven which led to even further stories that continued more in the comic but eventually led to character 4 with Paradigm which led to a whole bunch of other events. Now the story took a huge hit with so much characters that came and left several times the seven missing Is the biggest issue but I do remember Jones mentioning them a few times into chapter 4 so all these are canon.
There is a reference to chapter 2 season 4 during one of the audio logs jones says “Hey Tonys back!” Which implys tony returned to the island now its possible that he was on the chapter 5 island before & then left bc of the time jump that happens between the last day of c5 s3 & day 1 of c5 s4 so either tony was already at the island at one point or most likely its a reference to the past we even defeat doom the same way we defeated galactus by rifting him far away from the island. Just thought i’d point that out.
Jones could possibly mean the time he formally met tony during the Marvel X Zero War comic series, where the seven allied with the avengers to defeat the IO
Jonsey said, in the iron man quest voicelines, "Hey! Tony's back. Now in my experence, he is very good at taking down evil megalomaniacs", or something like that
Midas died in the Chapter 2 Season 3 trailer to sharks lmao hence why Jules took over the agency. I love that trailer because it has so many Easter eggs and meaning like for example Ocean takes a ghost henchman's helmet off and she wears it as a style in that season. Midas has came back since but they were alternate versions of him most of which being purely cosmetic and having nothing to do with lore. Just reusing a recognisable character .
There are two time travel scenarios that you need to consider, one being the back to the future concept which was just explained, or the second being the marvel concept in which changing the past doesn’t change the future, so that would mean we’re just jumping to different realities at a certain point in time and only changing that reality’s flow of events, but not affecting our own
Chapters 1 through 4 happened, but because Jones did not go back to chapter 4 after the OG season it created a new timeline or reality. Chapter 5 is just chapter 2 but in a different timeline; the greek gods come to the island (which I'm sure is where the name "Midas" and the golden touch story comes from, so it makes sense), the island is covered in sand instead of water, and we have another Marvel season. One of the top comments says that when Iron Man meets Jones, he says "Tony's back!", which proves that the old chapters really did exist.
Here's how I've been viewing it 1) Chapter 4 Season 4 suddenly ends, however, every skin can be used in Season OG so everyone must've been sent back to Chapter 1 through time travel 2) Live event happens, everyone gets sent to Chapter 5 3) Chapter 5's events play out, for some reason, (I guess time travel) only a few have memories of chapters 2, 3, & 4 4) We still have no idea what Remix was other than it was most likely a dream, but we can again assume since the player was sent with Hope and Jonesy to this new reality, all of the other characters were also sent with them
Remix actually isn’t a dream, considering during the end of the big bang event we see it’s its own separate universe. I’d assume that we go from C5 to C2R’s Universe (somehow, idk I never played through the end of Chapter 5 so I have no clue what happened) and then C6.
I just think that chap 5 is a different reality, that's it. Also it's literally confirmed that remix was a dream since that portal in the finale event was the same dream portal from the Ariana Grande concert 😈😈
i mean the mephisto blowing up the zero point idea isn't terribly innacurate. it woud make sense if like the explosion of the zero point knocked us out for the entirety of remix, therefore making it a dream. about chapter 3 being retconned, donald mustard left in c3 s3 so that's probably why it's not mentioned like... ever. I see the links between everything that you're making but i think they're trying (and failing lol) at restarting the story line. good vid tho, earned a like and sub
There is many other things which explains how CH5 is an alternate version of CH2, you've already mentioned Midas' return and Doom but theres also the sandstorm in ch5s3 which was very very similair to ch2s3's flooded map. Before Remix: Prelude happened, Hope used her art to see the future (I'm not sure if she even knew she had the powers to do it but she still had it and was shown multiple times in previous CH5 seasons) and we saw the shark and the agency and the rift beacon might have opened the wrong reality causing remix to be so different to the original. And the rift beacon also did open a rift in the screen which caused a butterfly to enter our reality and bring some artists in here
I do understand how remix could be a dream but you gotta remember the voice messages from hope that you could find but don't forget that we saw a chapter 2 reality in the big bang event. So we could've been sent to that universe. (Btw when i said our reality in the main comment, i meant the real life world)
I agree with this. Chapter 5 had many similar events and themes to chapter 2. Also, the way the map grew with each season made this more obvious with the dessert by far adding the most significant detail: Megalodon’s ship. If you look on the chapter 2 map, you can see a sunken ship to the west of the map which conveniently lines up with Megalodon’s ship from chapter 5 when the map is rotated 90 degrees clockwise. Other POIs such as pleasant piazza and even the huge ice glacier line up with what is pleasant park and misty meadows on the chapter 2 map
I remember in the chapter 5 season 3s story quests, jonesy warns hope about messing with strong powers because he had messed with the zero point before chapter 5 meaning he does in fact remember everything that happened before the big bang event
on the chapter 5 island there was a mountain in the distance that was a mirrored version of one in chapter 2, which probably means the chapter 2 island was on the other side. it kind of seems that chapter 5 was finishing parts chapter 2 with Midas and Dr doom, and chapter 6 is doing the same with chapter 4 but giving backstory instead of an ending
In chapter 5 season 4, they do mention the previous marvel season. In one of the voicelines from the story quests, Jones says "Tony's back" after the Iron man update
I like to think of chapter five as our 5th canonical chapter for the players as we got sent back to season one with the Time Machine from kado Thorne, and that as we could tell from the remixed battle pass skins from chapters 1 and 2 remix, we changed the timeline by going back in time causing different events to take place. But as character like Midas has already died they were sent to the underworld, which could be linked to our current situation post time travel as during the revised rocket event, we can see the universe as a whole and the many worlds contained in it, which I think means that we created an new island resulting in the original island still existing, but in another part of the universe, meaning that as Midas had died in it and that the past of the two islands were linked up until we changed the events of its future they shared the same underworld and gods combining the contents of it and the two versions of the gods together (both versions of Zeus merging bodies and memories as well as the content of the afterlife) making that Midas from the original universe was then linked to the new one enabling him to come back to the new island after breaking free from the underworld. This is just my thoughts on it though and is probs not 100% accurate but I would be happy to hear others’ opinions on how Midas returned and how he was linked to the new islands afterlife!!!! This is just my theory though so please don’t take any of this as facts unless you believe this is a good explanation of the events that took place. :) Edit: I also belive that the gods memories got wiped after the merge and that they had Midas on high security because they knew he was dangerous but they didn’t know why hence they let there guard down enough for him to escape.
I used to naively hope Fortnite would tie together all the loose ends into one great big sensible story. They might have had it all written out but corporate partners got in the way or else they were always just making it as they went. At this point (and really for the past few years), it’s become such a big mess it’s not even worth following. Just big explosions and visuals
I'm not certain but I think some stuff Mizuku says references MEGA because she talks about how the River Guard and Fox Clan once made amends. Helsie also mentions hunting vampires in the past, but all of this could have happened in these characters' old realities. There is a lot of conflict between whether chapters 2, 3, and 4 got erased, as I remember Slone's memory was fading during OG but Jones mentioned getting way lost in the Zero Point in a Chapter 5 voice line.
5:31-5:45 Maybe since we changed the Fortnite map so much when we went back to chapter 1, When the zero point live event happened (In Fornite OG) maybe the butterfly effect made the chapter 2, 3, 4 and 5 are all just different versions of the chapter 1 map
It seems to me that The Big Bang was hitting the Zero Point with the energy of numerous timelines (hence the constant morphing) and the masisve number of different timeline fragments interacting with the Zero Point at the moment of implosion may have caused the Zero Point to safely disperse, causing the big bang and leading to the birth of a new timeline; hence why we ended up in chapter 5, and explaining why (what seems to be) a Zero Point shard ended up on the chapter 6 island
give what you said about us "changing the past so much it changed the future", it leads me to think that after going back to chapter 1 og, all the things we changed in regards to the story affected how the whole chapter 2, 3, 4 events happened. Which could further explain chapter 5 as either us going "back" to chapter 4 but in a different timeline, OR us going to chapter 5 and everything story related in the prior chapters being different from what we experienced, hence why there are little to no references to the characters you mentioned being on the island (again due to the different story/events in chapter 1 og vs the original chapter 1)
its just an au its not the same og thats why there was map changes and not every season past season 5 (ignoring the fact it would take to long to fit them all in) and also why it was still dusty divot and not depot when the meteor was there. idk who was in the meteor this time cause its still the same 7, anyways the black hole event was diffrent too it wasnt the old one the reason why was because the time machine on the rocket put the zero point under too much pressure that it didnt just turn into a black hole but it blossomed into a multiverse (like lego, festival, etc.) i think that was the deal with the reality tree too (i didnt play at all in chapter 3 so i dont rlly know) but it made chapter 5 witch was why it did have some similarity's to chapter 2. so dumbing what i just said down was that the event wasnt the same but still simmaler so chapter 5 wasnt the same as chapter 2 but still simmaler. but remember thats all just a theory, a fortnite theory.. (ignore my bad grammar/ spelling)😭
Literally the most easiest explanation is that after the Big Bang we went to an alternate chapter two and chaoter six is where mega city and the River guard and fox clan orignally came from, so that explains ir
When we went back in time with Kado Thorne's time machine, due to Kado Thorne messing around with his time heists, instead of us going to Chapter 1, We went to Chapter 1 OG, which is sort of like an altered timeline version of Chapter 1, an altered timeline is essentially a new reality, so we are in a new reality that is nearly similar to ch1, and the big bang created new realities, but reality zero, aka ch1-4's reality still exists, the zero point shard that flew to ch6 was from the petrified zero point, (ch4) not the one from the big bang event or ch2 remix, chapter 4 had probably collapsed and the petrified zero point with it. Speculation speculation blah blah blah idrk tbh.
But in that case how's the multiverse not destroyed/gone? Wasn't the whole reason we went back to OG was to try and save the zero point, cause it being petrified was gonna doom all realities(for like the fifth time) or something? So if it was still petrified, and the other zero point was blown upon, how hasn't everything just collapsed in on itself?
@@hassanorisit That's a big plot hole, I admit, but the Zero Point from Chapter 1 OG most likely reformed after the Big Bang. In The End Event going into Chapter 2, we caused the black hole to stop it from destroying all reality During the black hole if you tried to connect to Save The World or Creative, Ray would say that everything is alright and that she would fix it. Save the World's reality existed after The End so most, if not all realities also stayed existing after the black hole. The reason we try to save/destroy the Zero Point is so that it doesn't destroy other realities. The Zero Point usually reforms after it being destroyed, of course if it's cracked and unstable it needs to heal, that's why The Foundation built the Spire, to heal the Zero Point after Jones bringing tens of characters to the Island and the Devourer of Worlds event that destabilized the Zero Point, in the case of Season X. We couldn't build a spire, and we didn't have the IO Portal Device so the Scientist had to destroy it and it reformed two days later. TL;DR Zero Point most likely reformed after the Big Bang, and the Petrified Zero Point in Chapter was destroyed along with the Chapter 4 Island (Which is the whole reason we had the big bang, to make realities so the residents of Asteria could leave)
I had this idea a while back in chapter 5 season 4 when remix got announced basically if we go back to the chapter 2 map we erase what we did back in chapter OG because chapter 5 is supposed to be chapter 2 just a little different then the seven would not be corrupted yet so after the live event we're technically in the chapter 3 era rn so since we went to reality 751 it's possible we could travel or in some term communicate with the seven before they get corrupted by the chrome in season 4 👌
Jones wasn't in the Galactus event in Chapter 2, he was still in I.O. HQ, but he references knowing Iron Man was there with a quest saying "Hey! Tony's back!" - Agent Jones", but the Doom is a different version from C2S4, and I think Iron Man is too
the zero point was on the chapter five map cuz that's partially why dr doom was there, you could find drawings with a ball and a question mark with all the dig sites on it
Im pretty sure we got to the chapter 6 island from the remix live event, as at the end we can see a rift open and jones and Hope go through it with what I think is a piece or shard of the zero point following behind them. I think that shard created the rift for Hope and Jones to go through and our looper character to follow aswell, that's why we see the Chapter 6 island at the very end of the event, its because we went through the rift that shard created and got to the chapter 6 island.
8:16 What if the "time travelling" from Chapter 4 -> Chapter 1 OG Season was due to the fact that the Zero Point is attempting to keep itself safe and figured the only way to ensure its safety is to hide.
I think chapter 5 is chapter 2 but things happened differently, midas never died by the shark, he died by kado and he borrowed his hand. Midas of ch5 s2 has a glove exactly in the hand kado stole. The lore of midas in that season was that he could not use the golden touch in the left hand so jules created a gauntlet to let him use it.
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The piece of the zero point is from its petrified state indicating that it wasn’t hiding during chapter 5 its recovering from the Big Bang and when we went to remix it essentially came with us but in it fragile state shattered and spread between different realities one of which is the chapter 6 map
It makes more sense if they are still Canon than if they aren't, because we time travelled from chapter 4, Jones altered some things, then we time travelled back to chapter 4 but since Jones altered stuff in the past it became chapter 5, it's basically Back To The Future, Jones And Peely are still the same because they're the ones who time travelled. So yeah, chapters 2, 3, and 4 are definitely still canon, the case of him not mentioning working with Tony in the past may be because it's a different Tony (marvel comics have alternate universes/timelines), that or Tony doesn't remember because Jones altered the timeline.
So this is my theory at this point. I think with the Big Bang in OG, the Zero Point actually shattered into pieces, causing the metaverse instead of the Black Hole. Then I think Chapter 5 occurs simultaneously with an alternate version of Chapter 2 (maybe as flipsides of each other). The Ghost vs Shadow stuff still happens, but Midas dies prematurely and ends up in the underworld without doing the device event. Alternate Midas escapes with an alternate version of his crew going who knows where. Then Snoop Dogg and other Music artists take over the abandoned Chapter 2 facilities. They warp us Loopers there for a concert and then we end up at the Chapter 6 Island. Chapter 6 becomes relevant because a piece of the Zero Point crash lands and reawaken's the island's ancient magic.
I moreso view it as when we went back to chapter one, we destroyed reality zero, and every chapter after is now a new reality, with different "anchors" i guess, like pandora's box was the "anchor" for the story in chapter five, and it looks like the zero point shard is going to be the "anchor" for chapter six
I personally belive that our timeline is like in Loki where we have the sacred timeline (an endless loop of chapter 1-4) and we are now on a branched timeline where we follow the version of chapter 1 that jones messed up in the og season. That way the original story and timeline are still out there but we now exist in a completely separate version of events.
I think they are canon but just we are just in an alternative future. Especially since Remix should have had a text after the Juice World concert and this message was "Wake Up" so my theory is that chapter 2 Remix is a dream created by ultimate reality (because some of their members have links with music) to find us more quickly
4:31 I think that chapter 6 is an alternate version of chapter 3, like how Chapter 5 was an alternate version of chapter 2. There is a volcano-like mountain on the top-right of the map. There is a kind of beach on the middle-right, a bit like chapter 3, but smaller. The map is also very square, like chapter 1. Just a theory though.
“Remix was a dream of Hope’s dream as we know because she was trying to talk to Valeria and I’m sure the picture at the main center of the island forgot the POI but I still think that’s what brung us to chapter 6 I’m sure because of the rift or the rift butterfly we saw but I think there was a rift activated so I think that’s what brung us to chapter 6!”
They did mention knowing Tony and Shuri in the story quests. Doom does mention in the comics that he’d come back to the island and in his audio logs he says “this island will give him the power” although you could argue that he’s probably never been because it seems contradictory to some people. I personally think the Doctor Doom who came back was probably a different Doom just because of the armor but it’s most likely just the same and Epic didn’t want to make it too similar. I think anything done outside the island wasn’t affected, everything on the island was so Chapters 2-4 aren’t exactly canon but visitors will still know what happened in those chapters
Fym if they're still canon? These are just alternate realities of the same island. Yes they're still and will forever be canon, the Zero Point just exploded and reset every reality, resetting is different from retconning.
from what i understand, chapter 5 WAS an alternate chapter 2, but everyone still remembers what happened in the other timeline, so in the characters perspectives, chapter 5 did happen after chapter 4, even tho it technically didnt
2:54 when we got the story quest when iron Man came back Jones said "Hey! Tony's back!"
Yeah he did
@@Apexsparestyeah and they probably didn’t reference it to him cuz they knew it was probably some other Tony if anything so they just were like hey Tony’s back but it’d be weird to him if we referenced stuff to him that happened to another Tony
@@chrisdiaz582 no the iron Man that we saw in chapter 5 season 4 is the same one from chapter 2 season 4
How do I know and can prove this?
Because the description of the iron Man from chapter 5 season 4 says "The Avengers' benefactor and creator of a gamma powered Battle Bus."
Witches of course what happened in the Galactus event
@@jasonvfg9896 it cant be though. that is the mcu iron man. not just that, but the mark 54 ironman from avengers age of ultron wile the ironman from chapter 2 season 4 was the comic version of him.
@ oh yeah than now I’m lowkey confused maybe they didn’t remember or they just didn’t bother bringing up the past but I feel like making a couple more of those bomb like busses would have helped against doom
Literally nothing makes sense anymore. Epic has figuratively and literally lost the plot.
It does make sense they just don’t explain it well at all
Yeah i miss the storyline like the actual one where the live event is related to the story quest etc😢
@ The live events ARE still related with the story quests. Y'all don't pay attention to the story and call it terrible.
@@HasnaynKamran-hl5vz WELL IT HAS BEEN LACKLUSTER SINCE CHAPTER 5
@@HasnaynKamran-hl5vz explain it then, if it was a good story, it wouldnt be confusing af
I like to think everything still happened, but chapter 5 is a "soft" reboot of the storyline so Epic doesn't have to deal with The Seven or IO anymore
So the don’t have to deal with the Rock anymore 😂
There is no storyline now I think that’s pretty clear to see. How did we end up back in chapter 2? And how did the juice wrld even lead to chapter 6?
@@Bryce.sssssss in the storyline remix was a dream
@ Well you’re blind if you don’t see the storyline. There is still a storyline, they just don’t explain it well. The event and cinematic showed how we ended up on ch6
@cyberdragon3887 Yeah wouldn't want the story to have stakes if he was still around lol
From what I understood, Chapter OG was a separate reality than the one from Chapter 4(Reality Zero), as the only reason we went back in time was to "find something" and get a new home for the inhabitants of the Chapter 4 island, as the Zero Point in Chapter 4 petrified, making that reality start to perish.
When we repeated the Season X End Event in Chapter OG, instead of reality rebuilding itself, it instead exploded into a Big Bang, creating other realities, along with the Chapter 5 island.
And from a voiceline we're told that all the inhabitants from Chapter 4 moved to the Chapter 5 island, just before the former perished. Altho it's kinda odd cus I remember I read somewhere that there's only ONE Zero Point so there being another Zero Point in Chapter OG doesn't make sense. Maybe Chapter OG was our reality in the past but after the Big Bang it branched into another timeline or idkk.
But anyways..
So following a weird timeline, Chapter 5 is like an alternate timeline/remix of Chapter 2.
And Chapter Remix was a dream from what I understood(also from a leaked text that was supposed to appear at the end of the Remix Finale event that said "Wake up.") and now we've traveled to the Chapter 6 island, along with a Zero Point shard, which makes me wonder what really happened to the Zero Point.
But anyways to answer the question in the title, all previous Chapters ARE canon. Also Jones has talked about his past with the Zero Point and even referenced Iron Man being back in C5S4 soo ye
This really interesting...
Yeah it's gotta be another timeline. I doubt it'd all be retconned.
Tbh I consider everything created after Donald Mustard left not canon
@pietro4507 same
In most cases when you time travel, so as long you dont change anything in the past (though in most cases that would technically be theoretically impossible due to your presesnt existance in the past is already a change in itself) then the timeline stays in tact. However just like how you mentioned, on how this could be an alternate timeline, it may be the closest possible answer. When you alter something in the past you dont really change your future rather you make a branch timeline that follows its own path and making its own reality, hence why there is still some references to the other chapters though vague. While the deletion of those chapter could be possible its not 100% confirmed (unless someone has a source that it is) so the whole chapter 1 remix is just another branch in the timeline the moment we entered the island.
Another theory that could be possible aswell is that our jonesy isnt the one that we came with from the beginning and are just another snapshot, (hence they barely remember anything in chapter 2-4) or that its an alternate, due to the change in timelines. Same can kinda be said with the marvel characters as they also have different realities and timelines that they have so they could also be different versions of the marvel character (though if i remember correctly there is only one galactus out of every reality)
Now with the zero point this is where i get kinda stumped. A theory could be that when the big bang happened that it created even more realities than ever and spliting its pieces in different realites/chapters. I feel like as the season progresses we get hints of where the other pieces could be and jump into other realites and timelines like chapter 3 remix and chapter 7+. Other than that, most of what i just mentioned is all theories and nothing fully confirmed
the zero point has to be on the island otherwise fortnite wouldn't exist because the zero point is what makes the loop work
I thought it was the storm that made the loop?
@@DeltaTheWildCard2The Zero Point created the storm. The storm is just part of the loop
Yeah the storm is a product of the zero point so the zero point has to be on the chapter 6 map, or Fortnite just said screw it and it’s not that anymore,
The storm is part of the loop wich is a defense system by the zero point
The zero point is fractured into fragments, wich is why we were able to have the loop continue even outside of reality zero, you can see an example of one of these zero point fragments in the cinematic trailer for chapter 6 and the end of the chapter 2 remix event
Jonesey did mention Iron Man was a good friend if you talk to the npc from what I remember
Yeah ^^ And I think he was also talking to Hope, in a story quest voiceline, as if he knew Iron Man, if I remember correctly!
And he got a shield gifted directly from Steve Rogers, that wouldn't have happened if they'd just met.
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i feel like jones is the kind of guy to say hes besties with the billionaire playboy guy that everyones obsessed with (which is how iron man usually rolls) also the shield thing is likely because he is a leader of the resistance, which no doubt put him at a trustworthy enough level to where iron man would give him a shield. also because captain america being the fortnite guy is very fortnite
what happened is that the timeline of Chapter 1 OG soft-rebooted the storyline.
Chapter 5 is a continuation of Chapter 4, but the Zero Point became The Everything.
By The Everything, I mean, The Zero Point merged with Reality itself.
What it implies is that, everything is canon, but also not.
We were all tricked, but there isn't a single Zero Point. It's all echoes of a more infinite reality, a.k.a, the Neo Point ( New Zero Point, which, is literally Everything ). The, what I call myself, Neo Point, is literally the omniverse.
That’s stupid, i liked the very brittle ball that would end all realities when it got even slightly damaged
@memor22 it's stupid, but that's how i would explain why we can travel back in time.
All the lore about saving reality was useless and led to Chapter 1 OG.
I suspect that's why the I.O couldn't care less in Chapter 2 Season 5 when The Zero Point was about to fail its bloom.
They said screw it, The Nothing wins on this one, let's just this Omniverse die.
Everything before Chapter 1 OG was pre-Big Bang, with only one Omniverse ( supposedly ) and then post-big-bang, with Omniverse's.
That's actually sick in a way, which would explain why a shard of it landed in Chapter 6, as that was just a shard of its outer shell.
Like memor22 said, I liked the reality-ending-when-ouch-ball better but what can you do.
Also from some voicelines, we're told both the Zero Point in Chapter 4 existed simultaneously as the Chapter 5 island, so make use of that information as u will
@@NatsuKikoCh no the zero still exists but your partially right the zero long. Is just split into fragments, like the fragment in the chapter 6 cinematic
Chapter five is chapter two and so on
There are a few things I want to point out and clarify. First, Chapter 3's Cuddle team Leader Head statue was put on the map in the last few weeks of Chapter 5 season 4, which means Chapter 3 season 3 is still canon. Second Jones says in one of the voice lines in chapter 5 that he was stuck in the zero point for a long time, which means that he may have been stuck until we got to chapter 5 island, and is unaware of what happened after the event. Another thing is that we, The Looper, might have stayed in the future with Slone while Jones went back in time and changed things, which is further corroborated by the fact that during the Chapter 2 Remix Live Event, the text "WAKE UP" (which was either scrapped or may have not shown up due to a possible programing oversight) was meant to appear, proving that the entire Chapter 2 Remix was a dream, which could be the result of Jones Time travel shenanigans messing with our memory of Chapter 2. Lastly, the thing that flew into the island in the Chapter 6 trailer was a piece of the Zero Point, which means one of two things: A. The Zero point has been Cracked after the OG event, where it wasn't cracked when the event started, or B. Due to Jones time travel, there are two different Zero Points, The One from OG, Chapter 5, and 6, and the one from The original timeline of Chapters 2, 3, and 4.
I personally feel like Fortnite is going for a multi-chapter storyline. This has already started since chapter 5. I believe after the bigbang, the Zero point did explode into 3 or 4 pieces. Over the next chapters we are travelling between realities discovering artifacts. (Proven with Pandoras box being part of 'something bigger') I believe that the zero point fragments landed on different realities and as a self preservation mechanism it resarts the loop and storm, (explains loop on chapter 5 and 6) Once we have discovered all the Artifacts are discovered and brought together, the zero point could be fully restored draining the artifacts of their power. (Could finally conclude the Seven storyline by Jones finding them.) Android in one epic multi chapter conclusion we could wrap up all the loose ends, the seven, the io, hell even the last reality, finally allowing Fortnites New creative director to let the zero point rest and go his own route with the story
Slight correction haha, you probably heard it from other people who misunderstood Jones's dialogue there, but: Jones wasn't actually stuck IN the zero point, he was metaphorically speaking saying he "got lost in it" because he became _obsessed_ with it. The point he was trying to teach hope is to not become obsessed with the "all-powerful magic" type stuff because it will destroy you.
2:28 I remember in one of the voice lines Jones said hey Tony’s back referring to iron man in chapter 2 season 4
Same
I think it is becuse he remembers everything that happened becuse he was at the big bang
well you have to remember at this time jones was still working for the IO observing tony's work
Nice.
Back in Season OG, Slone's messages explicitly stated that we weren't going back in time to "change the future", and she said that this was an "extraction".
There was also an NPC in Chapter 5 who said the following:
“Eons ago and very far away, the stars blinked out, one by one. until there were only a few left.”
“Then, a brilliant owl helped a clever fox chew a hole through the world.”
“And that tear ripped open all of space, filling the vast emptiness with an eternity of new stars.”
This is probably referring to the Nothing and the Last Reality's conquest, plus the Zero Point was dying/dead/petrified in Ch4 - and the "tear" that "ripped open all of space" being the Big Bang to replace the destroyed realities consumed by the Nothing during Chapter 4.
Additionally, we know that the Seven's tech (like Paradigm's suit) is able to focus the Zero Point on specific realities. I reckon that the rocket in the Big Bang event used the time machine to focus the Zero Point onto a specific *time,* rather than a specific *reality* - and the Big Bang effectively sent a blast of Zero Point energy into the future and restored the dying Omniverse to its former glory.
So you're suggesting we stole the zero point from the past, to save the dying future? Seems logical, especially since it was an extraction mission. Here's the thing though, wouldn't the absence of the zero point in the past lead to the past just unraveling and, causing the future to also not exist, cause no past=no future? Or did we create a branched timeline and then subsequently destroyed said timeline to save our own? Like how does time travel work in the Fortnite universe exactly, does changing the past influence the future, or does it create a different branched reality? Either way, a timeline was destroyed in the process of these events(following this logic)
The Fortnite storyline straight up makes no sense anymore tbh
nvm upon reading again, I think you just mean we rifted some Zero Point energy into the future, not the Zero Point itself, which means all of these issues I listed don't apply lol.
i think that in the big bang event, that big ''explosion'' after the black hole was the zero point exploding, causing the ''big bang''
Which may explain why everything is more meshed together now, why we can literally become Lego, it’s as the zero point got splattered across the universe
@@nintendoughnatives so is chapter 2 chapter 1 and chapter 1 is chapter 5 and then chapter 5 is chapter 6
Mephisto blowing up the zero point makes zero sense especially considering hope literally transporting us to the chapter 6 map through her graffiti with the rift beacon that took us to chapter 2 wich was not even real it was a dream/fake reality similar to the ones in the Ariana grande concert, and hope and jones possibly revealed the zero point fragment through that method, and we we termed the chapter 6 reality though a rift
Actually, what makes sense is that Hope using her powers in combination with the Rift Beacon to rift us from Chapter 5 to 6, and the Chapter 2 Remix was the dream state we needed to be put in as we were rifting to a different reality, and it wasn't going to be an easy trip. So we were put into the dream state to safely transfer.
@ mmm yes but no I think they needed the dream reality, so they could retrieve or reveal the zero point shard, and the shard was trying to be found wich is why hope has these powers and why they are activated with a rift
2:40
In C5S3, Jones said
"The island has been 'DOOMED' before..."
so he, clearly, referenced the original marvel season of fortnite.
This doesn’t actually prove anything, since Jones was the one who traveled back in time. He clearly still has his memories of the previous timeline
Mizuki and Vi mention the peace treaty between the fox clan and river guard which is something we as the looper made possible in ch4 s2
8:42 Didn’t the remix tapes say Hope left Valeria in charge of the chapter 5 island as her and jones went to the chapter 6 map or something???
Yeah
Bruce Banner/hulk's explanation of time travel in avengers endgame makes it all make sense for me. "If you travel to the past, that past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can't now be changed by your new future"
Explaination:
Because we went back in time for season og, we ended up altering the past which is why some events and details from chapter og where slightly different than how they where originally in chapter 1.
Because of this, when the season x event happened in chapter og, we where sent to a new reality just like the original big bang event, but because we had altered some events in the past durring chapter og, we also changed the future, which was the whole reason we went back in time in the first place to prevent the future from going down the same way as it did originally.
This explains why we where sent to the chapter 5 map, which is technically the chapter 2 of this new/altered timeline, and why it looks so different because it literally is. Things played out different in the past, therefore the future is now different aswell, meaning that the events of og chapter 2,3,and 4 TECHNICALLY DID happen, but they where just reversed. Think of it like spilling water out of a cup and then soaking it up with a sponge and then pouring it back into the same cup, but not all of the water that was spilled was drained back into the same cup. You can add new water to increase the ammount of water back to how much it was before it was spilt, but it wont be the same water as before.
Chapter 2 remix was a dream our character had while traveling from chapter 5 to chapter 6, recalling their memories of the original chapter 2 but their memories of the events where slightly different because it was a dream.
Sorry for the paragraph, i hope this helped clear up any confusion!
3:46 mega city was rifted onto the chapter 4 island. It came from the chapter 6 island. If mega city never happened we would've gotten it back with the start of chapter 6
6:45 its because in the animated cat trailer, theres a train station between chapter 5 and 6! this means they're in the same universe/are and or are connected via a train
a train station between chapter 5 and 720?
@@-rlmn watch the trailer yeah
Mizuki is an NPC on the map now and is from chapter 4
6:13 after the doom event, some people on the island messed with the final rift beacon causing us to go to an alternate reality where rappers are in charge instead of the ghost or shadow, or io, or seven
Chapter 6 is a separate reality that we went to after the remix event, remix isn’t a dream, “keep dreaming with juice wrld” is just to honor juice wrld
So two things actually that reference the previous season: Jones saying stuff about Iron man being a friend and how good Stark Tech is, and then Steve Rogers giving Jones the suit and shield because he felt he would need it, likely because he trusted him I would imagine, which wiuld only happen if they'd preciously worked together.
I think that when we used the time machine to go back to ch. 1, we entered a different ch. 1 reality, since the map and mechanics were slightly different. (Time Machine in Pleasant, sprinting and sliding, etc.) Then, in that different ch. 1 reality, the live event was also different, and took us into ch. 5, where the original ch. 1 took us into ch. 2.
Yea like he said at 5:31 the butterfly effect because of the time machine
5:39 we probably created a branched timeline which means that timeline is still going, but we just moved on from them
After the og season live event we did go to chapter two because as mentioned by epic themselves chapter five is altered version of chapter two. Because we messed with chapter one and put the Time Machine on the rocket, that changed the events leading us into the “altered version of chapter two.” More evidence is that is both season twos Midas and his group were their, in chapter two season three they added cars, and in chapter five season three it was all themed around cars, and finally chapter five season four and chapter two season four were both marvel seasons. Also not to mention remix which literally brought us back to chapter two.
During the season 4 finale they used the rift beacon to travel to chapter 6.
Chapter 2 remix was just something for us in story. It's just a new reality that was created after the Big bang because you can see that reality during that same event A whole year before chapter 2 remix came out
3:51 I think really the only characters that are in their original reality from chapter 6 is the High Stakes Club. On the Chapter 4 island, when you went to talk to Helsie as any of the skins in the battle pass and her club members, she had her own unique dialogue for them. But if you go to them now using those same skins, there is no unique dialogue, only for her club members. But really it’s kinda confusing since she does say how they’ve been working under the scenes last time we saw them in Chapter 4 so it’s confusing if she and Joni actually remember us from the chapter 4 island or it just never existed. Which also means that they never killed Kado Thorn or the Countless Darkaru so there’s still a lot of mystery of what happened to Chapter 4 imo
(Skins used (Lucien West, Joni the Scarlet, Maasai, Dusty, The Ageless, Nezumi, and Countless Daraku, and any random skin)
interesting how midas and doom return in the season corresponding to their chapter two appearances
The lore on how we got to chapter 2 remix was explained in hopes messages to valeria. She finds out that her paintings can tell the future, and she just does whatever comes in her head. The stark rift Beacon hit the chapter 2 remix painting she made, and it opened the gateway to that reality. And from their, ig juice wrld sent us to the next reality idk. If the new chapter 2 reality is ruled by music artists, id think it was probably fate and they were supposed to do that. The zero point shard leads me to believe juice wrld or snoop destroyed the zero point in that reality, leaving it to fade away as a memory, (or a dream lol), while everyone else goes to another reality. Juice wrld is baked into the lore now
I like to believe that the time travel worked kinda like how the Mcu time travel worked where when we travelled to chapter 1 we changed some things and diverged from the main timeline causing the chapter 2 map to be altered in this timeline into the chapter 5 map (also causing bullet drop) and then instead of galactus feeling the zero point's power, doom did causing him to make his way to the island and once he was defeated some unknown being (either iron man or someone from the remix collabs) used one of the leftover rift beacons to fix the timeline (causing us to return to chapter 2's island). Now by some means that will probably be explained by the new chapters story quests the zero point has fractured causing a chunk to land in this new reality causing the loop to form here (possibly temporarily) and opening portals to this "spirit realm" allowing demons to invade the island in search of the zero point, now jones and hope are trying to return the fractured piece of the zero point before the demons can
I also think the New permanent og is the result of the same fracturing of the zero point creating a new timeline where history repeats itself but this time at an acelerated rate.
Ps, is it just me or do the demons portals have a familiar purple glow (The Last reality).
There was meant to be a text that would come up during thd chapter 2 remix finale that said, wake up, implying we were dreaming. We could have been defeated by doom and he destroyed the chapter 5 island. When we woke up we were rift butterflies and maybe some other stuff happend. Jones and hope havexd come to chapter 6 to find out about the zero point shard
Mephisto found the zero point and thought let me just blow it up
One thing about Midas is that during his return it shows that he had to escape the underworld after he died
Very interesting video, Ill explain from what I know. Obviously, Ch1,Ch2, Ch3, and Ch4 are connected stories. Ch1 black hole event rematerialized island to Ch2 and then flip side to Ch3. Then the herald destroyed the island and paradigm reconstructed new pieces of islands with the help of zero point to make ch4 island. At the end we transport back to Ch1 island, which is Season OG. At the end of Season OG, the time machine is attached to the rocket, and we actually enter a new reality.
This is where it takes a turn. Slone at the end of OG said in the story quests that its not the last time they will meet. Slone was still on the Ch4 island, but Jones went in the time machine, and anything he says would be communicated with Slone immediately. Remember, the memories of the loopers and Jones still stay the same though, if you remember the comics from Batman Fortnite in Ch2. So now at the end of OG season, Jones gets into a new reality, which is Ch 5 island.
Now Jones in Ch5 has to save Peely from Society in season 1, obviously he knows Peely, memories still stay the same. Story for Ch5 in a nutshell: season 1- society vs underground, valeria opens pandoras box and flees island. season 2- greek gods infiltrate island and yes shadow agents return here as well knowing each other cause the memories part. season 3- ares statue activated pandoras box to cause wasteland to appear, season 4- doom destroys megalo don and here I might explain more. During the Marvel season, even though he doesn't directly state anything about the previous marvel season, doesn't mean he doesn't know it. Hope is the main character of Ch5, and she has no idea about any of this, Jones just wants to save the island in the here and now. At the ending of Ch 5 season 4, rift beacons show up on island and we rift back to ch 2 island, remixed.
During the Ch2 remix, Hope talks to Valeria through communication devices saying the Underground is for her, Hope wont be around for a while and Jones is with Hope still. So the Ch 5 still exists. At the end of the Ch 2 Remix event we get shown a light from dream which we take to go to a new reality, which is Ch 6. Also, at the end of this event, if you saw it or watch a replay of it online, you will see Hope and Jones follow the light which takes us to Ch 6.
And again memories still retain, cause now in Ch 6, Hope mentions its her first time leaving to a new reality, even though Jones is there. And thats wraps for now.
Also, want to mention something about Hope. Since the start of Ch 5, she had monitors in her room, and on the monitors it shows the silhouettes of Jones, Peely, and Slone, so she is learning about them and the zero point, etc. And those are monitors are still in Ch 6.
Another proof its all still canon, is that the cuddle head team leader head from the poi in ch 3 season 4 survived the destruction and made it to ch 4 season 1, then it returned back in Ch 5 season 4 when rift beacons brought it back, and there's more evidence on other pois/items/etc that return but that's just an example.
So right now Ch 4, 5 and 6 islands exist still in different realities. Ch 4 still has Slone, Amie, The Seven. Ch 5 still has the Underground run by Valeria and Nisha, altough I dont know if they will keep their word on that. Ch 6 has Jones, Hope, and the loopers.
2:18 I don’t think the underworld is affected by time until it came to the actual map
The new midas skin had a prosthetic hand that kado thorne cut off.
Yo this is such a great video! So much thought put into it
I'm glad you enjoyed it Barth!!
3:15 yes it is canon bc in the comics she gets inside of the comics after being a real person, therefore in her world, she remembers everything that happened so she could tell anybody, but she won’t because that would break the storyline 😂
so how i understand it is that we used the rift beacon in remix the prelude, it lead us to the chapter 6 island but at some point during the rift we dreamed chapter 2 remix
the thing is, i think chapter 5 is a reset chapter 2, an intro to the season, faction against faction, a flood of some sort and a marvel season (intro, ghost Vs Shadow and in chapter 5 Gods vs mortals, flood of water, chapter 5 sand, and marvel)
Edit: i think chapter 3 is uncanon as if we went to chapter 2 season 2s original state and left it, the cube queen never came and the island never flipped, granted on the first few days of remix the queens glowing orb on the mountain was there but removed a few days later, doesn't mean she came when we left, they probably used a more recent chapter 2 assets, (the distant islands having her orb from seaosn 8 before the cube town)
the continuity lives on with Jones, the loopers/snapshots, The Marvel Heroes, Midas and his crew, the fox clan and the river guard (they're still in their peace treaty that they made during chapter 4), what's left of the time machine, and the shard of the zero point (or the whole thing if it does still exist)
In TBB, we were flung forward in time. We don’t know exactly how far, but we know it’s after ch4s4
also the reason the reason it probs isn't canon is the new creative director wanted to restart the fortnite storyline
Yeah, so all the time travel shenanigans make sense
In turn, ruining fortnite
The Midas gang confirm the ghost and shadow war still happened during the Midas event of chapter 5 season 2. So it stands to reason those who experienced those events still remember them.
Guys maybe when are characters were being rifted to chapter 5 to chapter 2 remix we were actually going to chapter 6 instead and are characters brains can’t comprehend what it look like around you when your teleporting or we fell unconscious from spinning around a lot making us dream chapter 2 remix
Chapter 2 Remix was actually an alternate universe where chapter 2 season 2 never finished. The reason this is is because rift beacons make portals to alternate realities. We got transported to Chapter 2 Remix via a rift beacon. That means it was an alternate reality, and not actual OG chapter 2 from the past. It was just a lookalike.
@ oh since at the end juice says keep dreaming but there was a scrapped part we’re jonsey tells us to wake up apparently
@@LJ-PLAYS-YT Oh ok, never heard about that
@@LJ-PLAYS-YT Maybe the dream was in fact the concert, Jonesy trying to wake us up from the dream that was the concert, but Chapter 2 Remix was indeed a different reality
Jones’s never teamed up with iron man or other heroes in the first marvel season, he stood against the IO in the primal season leading to Chapter 3 with Spider Man and Foundation the leader of the seven which led to even further stories that continued more in the comic but eventually led to character 4 with Paradigm which led to a whole bunch of other events. Now the story took a huge hit with so much characters that came and left several times the seven missing Is the biggest issue but I do remember Jones mentioning them a few times into chapter 4 so all these are canon.
There is a reference to chapter 2 season 4 during one of the audio logs jones says “Hey Tonys back!” Which implys tony returned to the island now its possible that he was on the chapter 5 island before & then left bc of the time jump that happens between the last day of c5 s3 & day 1 of c5 s4 so either tony was already at the island at one point or most likely its a reference to the past we even defeat doom the same way we defeated galactus by rifting him far away from the island. Just thought i’d point that out.
Jones could possibly mean the time he formally met tony during the Marvel X Zero War comic series, where the seven allied with the avengers to defeat the IO
Jonsey said, in the iron man quest voicelines, "Hey! Tony's back. Now in my experence, he is very good at taking down evil megalomaniacs", or something like that
When they made the Zero Point explode, I think that was just their way of telling us "Yeah guys, the storys done, we're starting over"
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Midas died in the Chapter 2 Season 3 trailer to sharks lmao hence why Jules took over the agency. I love that trailer because it has so many Easter eggs and meaning like for example Ocean takes a ghost henchman's helmet off and she wears it as a style in that season.
Midas has came back since but they were alternate versions of him most of which being purely cosmetic and having nothing to do with lore. Just reusing a recognisable character .
There are two time travel scenarios that you need to consider, one being the back to the future concept which was just explained, or the second being the marvel concept in which changing the past doesn’t change the future, so that would mean we’re just jumping to different realities at a certain point in time and only changing that reality’s flow of events, but not affecting our own
Chapters 1 through 4 happened, but because Jones did not go back to chapter 4 after the OG season it created a new timeline or reality. Chapter 5 is just chapter 2 but in a different timeline; the greek gods come to the island (which I'm sure is where the name "Midas" and the golden touch story comes from, so it makes sense), the island is covered in sand instead of water, and we have another Marvel season. One of the top comments says that when Iron Man meets Jones, he says "Tony's back!", which proves that the old chapters really did exist.
Here's how I've been viewing it
1) Chapter 4 Season 4 suddenly ends, however, every skin can be used in Season OG so everyone must've been sent back to Chapter 1 through time travel
2) Live event happens, everyone gets sent to Chapter 5
3) Chapter 5's events play out, for some reason, (I guess time travel) only a few have memories of chapters 2, 3, & 4
4) We still have no idea what Remix was other than it was most likely a dream, but we can again assume since the player was sent with Hope and Jonesy to this new reality, all of the other characters were also sent with them
Remix actually isn’t a dream, considering during the end of the big bang event we see it’s its own separate universe. I’d assume that we go from C5 to C2R’s Universe (somehow, idk I never played through the end of Chapter 5 so I have no clue what happened) and then C6.
I just think that chap 5 is a different reality, that's it.
Also it's literally confirmed that remix was a dream since that portal in the finale event was the same dream portal from the Ariana Grande concert 😈😈
Yeah, i just realised lol
the event
i mean the mephisto blowing up the zero point idea isn't terribly innacurate. it woud make sense if like the explosion of the zero point knocked us out for the entirety of remix, therefore making it a dream. about chapter 3 being retconned, donald mustard left in c3 s3 so that's probably why it's not mentioned like... ever. I see the links between everything that you're making but i think they're trying (and failing lol) at restarting the story line. good vid tho, earned a like and sub
There is many other things which explains how CH5 is an alternate version of CH2, you've already mentioned Midas' return and Doom but theres also the sandstorm in ch5s3 which was very very similair to ch2s3's flooded map. Before Remix: Prelude happened, Hope used her art to see the future (I'm not sure if she even knew she had the powers to do it but she still had it and was shown multiple times in previous CH5 seasons) and we saw the shark and the agency and the rift beacon might have opened the wrong reality causing remix to be so different to the original. And the rift beacon also did open a rift in the screen which caused a butterfly to enter our reality and bring some artists in here
I do understand how remix could be a dream but you gotta remember the voice messages from hope that you could find but don't forget that we saw a chapter 2 reality in the big bang event. So we could've been sent to that universe. (Btw when i said our reality in the main comment, i meant the real life world)
I agree with this. Chapter 5 had many similar events and themes to chapter 2. Also, the way the map grew with each season made this more obvious with the dessert by far adding the most significant detail: Megalodon’s ship. If you look on the chapter 2 map, you can see a sunken ship to the west of the map which conveniently lines up with Megalodon’s ship from chapter 5 when the map is rotated 90 degrees clockwise. Other POIs such as pleasant piazza and even the huge ice glacier line up with what is pleasant park and misty meadows on the chapter 2 map
I remember in the chapter 5 season 3s story quests, jonesy warns hope about messing with strong powers because he had messed with the zero point before chapter 5 meaning he does in fact remember everything that happened before the big bang event
on the chapter 5 island there was a mountain in the distance that was a mirrored version of one in chapter 2, which probably means the chapter 2 island was on the other side. it kind of seems that chapter 5 was finishing parts chapter 2 with Midas and Dr doom, and chapter 6 is doing the same with chapter 4 but giving backstory instead of an ending
In chapter 5 season 4, they do mention the previous marvel season. In one of the voicelines from the story quests, Jones says "Tony's back" after the Iron man update
I like to think of chapter five as our 5th canonical chapter for the players as we got sent back to season one with the Time Machine from kado Thorne, and that as we could tell from the remixed battle pass skins from chapters 1 and 2 remix, we changed the timeline by going back in time causing different events to take place. But as character like Midas has already died they were sent to the underworld, which could be linked to our current situation post time travel as during the revised rocket event, we can see the universe as a whole and the many worlds contained in it, which I think means that we created an new island resulting in the original island still existing, but in another part of the universe, meaning that as Midas had died in it and that the past of the two islands were linked up until we changed the events of its future they shared the same underworld and gods combining the contents of it and the two versions of the gods together (both versions of Zeus merging bodies and memories as well as the content of the afterlife) making that Midas from the original universe was then linked to the new one enabling him to come back to the new island after breaking free from the underworld. This is just my thoughts on it though and is probs not 100% accurate but I would be happy to hear others’ opinions on how Midas returned and how he was linked to the new islands afterlife!!!! This is just my theory though so please don’t take any of this as facts unless you believe this is a good explanation of the events that took place. :)
Edit: I also belive that the gods memories got wiped after the merge and that they had Midas on high security because they knew he was dangerous but they didn’t know why hence they let there guard down enough for him to escape.
So about the remix thing there was a chapter 2 reality in the big bang event
I used to naively hope Fortnite would tie together all the loose ends into one great big sensible story. They might have had it all written out but corporate partners got in the way or else they were always just making it as they went. At this point (and really for the past few years), it’s become such a big mess it’s not even worth following. Just big explosions and visuals
2:27 to answer why is bc of the loop on the map...so technically when ur skin spawns its memory erased
I'm not certain but I think some stuff Mizuku says references MEGA because she talks about how the River Guard and Fox Clan once made amends. Helsie also mentions hunting vampires in the past, but all of this could have happened in these characters' old realities. There is a lot of conflict between whether chapters 2, 3, and 4 got erased, as I remember Slone's memory was fading during OG but Jones mentioned getting way lost in the Zero Point in a Chapter 5 voice line.
5:31-5:45 Maybe since we changed the Fortnite map so much when we went back to chapter 1, When the zero point live event happened (In Fornite OG) maybe the butterfly effect made the chapter 2, 3, 4 and 5 are all just different versions of the chapter 1 map
It seems to me that The Big Bang was hitting the Zero Point with the energy of numerous timelines (hence the constant morphing) and the masisve number of different timeline fragments interacting with the Zero Point at the moment of implosion may have caused the Zero Point to safely disperse, causing the big bang and leading to the birth of a new timeline; hence why we ended up in chapter 5, and explaining why (what seems to be) a Zero Point shard ended up on the chapter 6 island
give what you said about us "changing the past so much it changed the future", it leads me to think that after going back to chapter 1 og, all the things we changed in regards to the story affected how the whole chapter 2, 3, 4 events happened. Which could further explain chapter 5 as either us going "back" to chapter 4 but in a different timeline, OR us going to chapter 5 and everything story related in the prior chapters being different from what we experienced, hence why there are little to no references to the characters you mentioned being on the island (again due to the different story/events in chapter 1 og vs the original chapter 1)
its just an au its not the same og thats why there was map changes and not every season past season 5 (ignoring the fact it would take to long to fit them all in) and also why it was still dusty divot and not depot when the meteor was there. idk who was in the meteor this time cause its still the same 7, anyways the black hole event was diffrent too it wasnt the old one the reason why was because the time machine on the rocket put the zero point under too much pressure that it didnt just turn into a black hole but it blossomed into a multiverse (like lego, festival, etc.) i think that was the deal with the reality tree too (i didnt play at all in chapter 3 so i dont rlly know) but it made chapter 5 witch was why it did have some similarity's to chapter 2. so dumbing what i just said down was that the event wasnt the same but still simmaler so chapter 5 wasnt the same as chapter 2 but still simmaler. but remember thats all just a theory, a fortnite theory.. (ignore my bad grammar/ spelling)😭
My thing is why when the lead story guy left. Nobody else in epic games knew how to pick up after he left.
Literally the most easiest explanation is that after the Big Bang we went to an alternate chapter two and chaoter six is where mega city and the River guard and fox clan orignally came from, so that explains ir
When we went back in time with Kado Thorne's time machine, due to Kado Thorne messing around with his time heists, instead of us going to Chapter 1, We went to Chapter 1 OG, which is sort of like an altered timeline version of Chapter 1, an altered timeline is essentially a new reality, so we are in a new reality that is nearly similar to ch1, and the big bang created new realities, but reality zero, aka ch1-4's reality still exists, the zero point shard that flew to ch6 was from the petrified zero point, (ch4) not the one from the big bang event or ch2 remix, chapter 4 had probably collapsed and the petrified zero point with it.
Speculation speculation blah blah blah idrk tbh.
But in that case how's the multiverse not destroyed/gone? Wasn't the whole reason we went back to OG was to try and save the zero point, cause it being petrified was gonna doom all realities(for like the fifth time) or something? So if it was still petrified, and the other zero point was blown upon, how hasn't everything just collapsed in on itself?
@@hassanorisit That's a big plot hole, I admit, but the Zero Point from Chapter 1 OG most likely reformed after the Big Bang.
In The End Event going into Chapter 2, we caused the black hole to stop it from destroying all reality
During the black hole if you tried to connect to Save The World or Creative, Ray would say that everything is alright and that she would fix it.
Save the World's reality existed after The End so most, if not all realities also stayed existing after the black hole.
The reason we try to save/destroy the Zero Point is so that it doesn't destroy other realities.
The Zero Point usually reforms after it being destroyed, of course if it's cracked and unstable it needs to heal, that's why The Foundation built the Spire, to heal the Zero Point after Jones bringing tens of characters to the Island and the Devourer of Worlds event that destabilized the Zero Point, in the case of Season X. We couldn't build a spire, and we didn't have the IO Portal Device so the Scientist had to destroy it and it reformed two days later.
TL;DR
Zero Point most likely reformed after the Big Bang, and the Petrified Zero Point in Chapter was destroyed along with the Chapter 4 Island (Which is the whole reason we had the big bang, to make realities so the residents of Asteria could leave)
the npcs from past chapters seem to remember us. some on this island remember c4 s2
I had this idea a while back in chapter 5 season 4 when remix got announced basically if we go back to the chapter 2 map we erase what we did back in chapter OG because chapter 5 is supposed to be chapter 2 just a little different then the seven would not be corrupted yet so after the live event we're technically in the chapter 3 era rn so since we went to reality 751 it's possible we could travel or in some term communicate with the seven before they get corrupted by the chrome in season 4 👌
And effectively save them from the nothing
Jones wasn't in the Galactus event in Chapter 2, he was still in I.O. HQ, but he references knowing Iron Man was there with a quest saying "Hey! Tony's back!" - Agent Jones", but the Doom is a different version from C2S4, and I think Iron Man is too
the zero point was on the chapter five map cuz that's partially why dr doom was there, you could find drawings with a ball and a question mark with all the dig sites on it
Jonesy said hey tony's back
Im pretty sure we got to the chapter 6 island from the remix live event, as at the end we can see a rift open and jones and Hope go through it with what I think is a piece or shard of the zero point following behind them. I think that shard created the rift for Hope and Jones to go through and our looper character to follow aswell, that's why we see the Chapter 6 island at the very end of the event, its because we went through the rift that shard created and got to the chapter 6 island.
8:16 What if the "time travelling" from Chapter 4 -> Chapter 1 OG Season was due to the fact that the Zero Point is attempting to keep itself safe and figured the only way to ensure its safety is to hide.
Maybe
And that actually kinda makes sense
Donald Mustard Leaving was just the tip of the iceberg in the lore making no fucking sense
I think chapter 5 is chapter 2 but things happened differently, midas never died by the shark, he died by kado and he borrowed his hand.
Midas of ch5 s2 has a glove exactly in the hand kado stole.
The lore of midas in that season was that he could not use the golden touch in the left hand so jules created a gauntlet to let him use it.
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The piece of the zero point is from its petrified state indicating that it wasn’t hiding during chapter 5 its recovering from the Big Bang and when we went to remix it essentially came with us but in it fragile state shattered and spread between different realities one of which is the chapter 6 map
It makes more sense if they are still Canon than if they aren't, because we time travelled from chapter 4, Jones altered some things, then we time travelled back to chapter 4 but since Jones altered stuff in the past it became chapter 5, it's basically Back To The Future, Jones And Peely are still the same because they're the ones who time travelled. So yeah, chapters 2, 3, and 4 are definitely still canon, the case of him not mentioning working with Tony in the past may be because it's a different Tony (marvel comics have alternate universes/timelines), that or Tony doesn't remember because Jones altered the timeline.
Jones did say that Tony returned meaning he remembered Tony. Plus he the description states he created the gamma battle buss
So this is my theory at this point. I think with the Big Bang in OG, the Zero Point actually shattered into pieces, causing the metaverse instead of the Black Hole. Then I think Chapter 5 occurs simultaneously with an alternate version of Chapter 2 (maybe as flipsides of each other). The Ghost vs Shadow stuff still happens, but Midas dies prematurely and ends up in the underworld without doing the device event. Alternate Midas escapes with an alternate version of his crew going who knows where. Then Snoop Dogg and other Music artists take over the abandoned Chapter 2 facilities. They warp us Loopers there for a concert and then we end up at the Chapter 6 Island.
Chapter 6 becomes relevant because a piece of the Zero Point crash lands and reawaken's the island's ancient magic.
Jones actually did say in the story voiceline quests, “Hey, Tony’s back!”
I moreso view it as when we went back to chapter one, we destroyed reality zero, and every chapter after is now a new reality, with different "anchors" i guess, like pandora's box was the "anchor" for the story in chapter five, and it looks like the zero point shard is going to be the "anchor" for chapter six
In the story quests for og they talk about how things are different and not how they were on the chapter one map
I personally belive that our timeline is like in Loki where we have the sacred timeline (an endless loop of chapter 1-4) and we are now on a branched timeline where we follow the version of chapter 1 that jones messed up in the og season. That way the original story and timeline are still out there but we now exist in a completely separate version of events.
2:40 John Jones (our storyline Jonesy) wasn’t really in the storyline until chapter 2 season 5, so they wouldn’t have known him
I think they are canon but just we are just in an alternative future. Especially since Remix should have had a text after the Juice World concert and this message was "Wake Up" so my theory is that chapter 2 Remix is a dream created by ultimate reality (because some of their members have links with music) to find us more quickly
4:31 I think that chapter 6 is an alternate version of chapter 3, like how Chapter 5 was an alternate version of chapter 2. There is a volcano-like mountain on the top-right of the map. There is a kind of beach on the middle-right, a bit like chapter 3, but smaller. The map is also very square, like chapter 1. Just a theory though.
“Remix was a dream of Hope’s dream as we know because she was trying to talk to Valeria and I’m sure the picture at the main center of the island forgot the POI but I still think that’s what brung us to chapter 6 I’m sure because of the rift or the rift butterfly we saw but I think there was a rift activated so I think that’s what brung us to chapter 6!”
the story ended at chapter 4, 5 and 6 and beyond will all focus on chapter story lines, as in every chapter will have something new
They did mention knowing Tony and Shuri in the story quests. Doom does mention in the comics that he’d come back to the island and in his audio logs he says “this island will give him the power” although you could argue that he’s probably never been because it seems contradictory to some people. I personally think the Doctor Doom who came back was probably a different Doom just because of the armor but it’s most likely just the same and Epic didn’t want to make it too similar. I think anything done outside the island wasn’t affected, everything on the island was so Chapters 2-4 aren’t exactly canon but visitors will still know what happened in those chapters
Fym if they're still canon? These are just alternate realities of the same island. Yes they're still and will forever be canon, the Zero Point just exploded and reset every reality, resetting is different from retconning.
Remix is another reality, it can be seen in the portals of big bang
from what i understand, chapter 5 WAS an alternate chapter 2, but everyone still remembers what happened in the other timeline, so in the characters perspectives, chapter 5 did happen after chapter 4, even tho it technically didnt