Imagine having 3 of the top streamers in the category advising you that your actions are toxic to the category and the entire platform and your reply is "your chat is so toxic dude"
The point in twitch streaming is to stream to an audience. If you stream to just not be there, run around on a horse, then what is the point. If I join into a stream, and its just 10 minutes of running on a horse, no music, no one talking. Why do I have to make the effort to get you to talk. You could be doing something for me to want to engage with you.
That guy is mentally ill. The gaslighting, asking for the impossible, changing topics instantly and interrupting when something uncomfortable is brought up to try to stay on top of the conversation. He could be a wonderful subject to show to a new generation of psychiatrists.
I’m 14 mins in and I can’t stand the intellectual dishonesty from this guy, trying to gotcha things that don’t even apply back to the other side. How does blue deal with this for another hour
@@RealEtikS The school found out he was a BDO Content Creator, didn't like the type of thumbnails with big boobs characters and stuff, told him that it is bad influence for their students regardless of the fact that Blue was actually a great teacher. It's technically unclear the reason why they found out, it happened at the same time Blue had some drama with ex guild members, people leaking his entire irl stuff so it's a supposition that they contacted his school to get him fired for revenge.
@@invaaaaaasor It isn't really unclear. Pretty sure Blue stated a few times the ex guild members leaked it to his school because they also did it to another acquaintance of Blue around the same time. I could be wrong on that though.
So later today if i remember, imma just go through and report everyone doing this. His comment about ignoring his 1 singular chatter out of 36 viewers rubbed me the wrong way, he should be banned.
AFK Drop streamers are like the career politicians who do nothing in office but collect paychecks and downvote the other sides plans and ideas. Parasites by any other name
True, but I'm talking Dropstreamers on the whole, and not this specific person. Albion has lots of dropstreamers that average 1k+ viewers that are just as bad.
@@pyroclutch9061 my guy you live at home while she has multiple degrees and passed the bar exam, held civil service, and won several elections. you're still working at taco bell. be fr fr
1. im not from the US 2. i do live at home i hope you consider your house also your home 3. USA owns $859.4B to china so better start learning the language 4. the average american cant afford a fast $100 Bill! but hey keep voting for the worse and be the even bigger laughing stock US already looks like a 3rd world country
As a ghost I would like to say a couple things here. First being just because he is a ghost does not mean I know him. Second not all Ghosts are down this bad. I unfortunately am also down bad but I do not think about masturbation as much as this ghost. Finally I am the better ghost.
Hi blue ... just want to drop in really quick ... I've been watching your video's for a while now, and when I can I drop into your streams (sadly I'm EU based and timezones and shit). I have to admit that some of your content is a bit over the top for me (I'm kind of a silent guy myself), but I do agree twith everything stated here in this video. You communicate with your chat and heck ... I've seen you react to comments on UA-cam as well (even though you get a lot). And that is probably the main reason why I keep watching your content. I would stand by you (and FakeUni for that matter) on this discussion. I have a small channel and wouldn't even call myself a content creator or an active streamer .. heck .. .to be any good I'm just not exciting enough. But I do agree with you 100% ... streaming content without even saying a word on stream isn't good for any category. As much as I am a silent guy, you will never find me streaming for hours and hours without saying a word ... Keep up the good work !!!!
16 minutes into the video, my IQ might have dropped listening to the kid. I am officially a fan of ZeSquirrel now after that pre-siege payout kick LOL.
I used to be in guild with him the only time ive seen him active on stream is when he went to siege ive looked At his stream multiple times a week its always afk fishing or afk just standing there
as a person who quit streaming BDO bc i felt like i didnt have what it takes back in like may or so, talking to myself was how i actually kept myself sane while i grinded lol idk what hes going on about...
let me clear one thing: the afk streamer is so wrong, now... but shitting on him because he has a low viewer base is so bad and wrong too. You was laughing talking about a streamer having low viewer base and is not cool Blue. Laughing about him having an editor. What's the problem? he cannot have an editor having a low viewer base? At some point you had this kinda numbers on your twitch and youtube. Did you forgot?
Fricc afk drop streams! Even when you get raided by someone that has mainly lurkers since they just streamed all day, still gotta talk it up by yourself! Welcome to Twitch EDIT: NOT JACKING OFF FOR 18 DAYS IS CRAZY
blue got a boost from Asmin by crying for being fired now he averaging 1k views, and thinks he made it in life, laughing and talking down on people with low view count oh 45 views on twitch oh 30 views on youtube. chill homie 50% of your views are bots look at the list of names on your chat, do a pole while live Blue i bed only 30% of your views will participate the other 30% is afk lurking and the other 40% is view bots. Switch games Blue for 1 week and lets see how dead your chat will be and where your views go I dare you. FakeUni view bots like crazy 200+ people on the chat and 5 people type all day, sometimes 20 minutes go by 1 person typing with 200+ views
Even crazier, he was given a teach or stream option by the school, but he picked streaming over teaching. Also the school administration knew about his stream on day 1 hiring him, and allegedly many of his students knew about his stream. But he lied in front of Asmongold and thousands of people. And now he is calling people out AFK stream is against ToS (AFK stream is not even defined in the ToS so he has to pick one that looks close and interpret it in the way he wanted) or unethical, what surprises me the most is that his brainrot audience can be trained to take what he said at 100% face value.
@@bluesquadronlive @bluesquadronlive which part? 1. You did say with your own month that your school administration knew about your stream early on and at the end they offered you a teach or stream option but you chose streaming, which is different from the version you told Asmongold and thousands of people. These can be found in one of the replies in a Goldsteinburg video which points to a vod of your own stream, from your own month (the vod still exists btw). 2. There is a document around with the allegedly claim (and many other things from the Reforged people's perspective) that many of your students knew about your stream, which I'd give you a benefit of a doubt since it is not from your own month. But it would be nice if you can show the proof from the department of homeland security that you claimed to have (not alleged, you said that in the same vod) to justify you didn't lie about they reported you to your school causing you to lose your job, since that's kind of the reason why that document exists in the first place. 3. Twitch ToS does not have a clear description about what is allowed and what is not allowed on drop channel beside a couple obvious things (and AFK is not one of them). Your google search result from Klei entertainment and a tweet is not the official ToS. What's why people who tried to farm this drama and actually go to the ToS page have to look things that seems fitting and can be used to charge Ghostragzz, with the closest ones being violating the of integrity of twitch services or cheating the twitch award system. Both have no clear definition and it is up to twitch to decide if it counted as violating the ToS. Or put it this way, if Ghostragzz and Jinnaaii are not banned after a while, do you think this against ToS claim is wrong?
So I'm pretty sure the horse training method he was talking about was the one where you buy stable horses, put them on a wagon, and afk level them a couple levels. Then like after 20 to 30 minutes you replace them with a fresh set of level 1 horses. This method is the fastest way to gain training experience because you get way more experience this way than by training a horse all the way to level 30. I'm not defending him. I think he's an AFK streamer. But maybe he believes he's an active streamer because he checks back into BDO every 20 minutes.
This video was hard to watch, this person has no idea how to have a conversation or make a point. All this person did was use straw man tactics and fallacies or just making no sense at all. Please no more content with people like this my brain hurts... Love you BLUE
One of the funniest things i heard "I killed the candium fish and got his gold shell. Ima sea monster hunter now." Tears rolling down my face. That dish drops thst shell the majority of the time. He was so happy he Killed it once and though he got some good loot.
Does Garnier know that a lot of streamers who are starting out usually talk on stream as if there are 100 people talking in chat? That's how it is. That's the game. You are supposed to be engaging and clearly PA doesn't like people who are literally afk and muted.
"Is it because I have 6/6 V Manos" as a response to Blue putting him in the same group as that KR afk streamer they pulled up. "What I do is not ToS" - ah so morals out the window, if the rules/laws don't prohibit it, it's fine. Not even 10min into it and he already shows exactly how little worth there is in even attempting to talk to him. Edit after watching the entire thing: Yeah the brain rot is too deep, no saving this soul. Man can't string...sorry, kiddo can't string 2 coherent sentenses on the same subject and keeps contradicting himself every other minute he speaks...It's almost impressive in a way, how he managed for so long not forgetting simple things like breathing, eating, drinking water and god forbid watching out for traffic when(if) outside. I find it scary they exist.
I literally just opened his stream after i've watched the video the guy has a failed to connect screen playing live for the past 30-60 minutes with drops enabled and everything and didnt even notice
For those wondering, this guy doesnt believe a word he said, he is just using Blue for content, thats thee only explenation I can think of for the nonsense he is saying
This shit is hilarious but I gotta point out pretty sure you are wrong about the I'm only sleeping category. I'm only sleeping is a game, it even tells everyone that in the category desctription. Twitch didn't make that category for people to actually go and sleep in lmao.
I agree with you 100%, and AFK streamers don't put in the work nearly as much as an active streamer like you. But man, you are not passively aggressive, Blue. You are in your face, down your throat, drama aggressive lmao. Entertaining for sure, though.
i just wanna say and im not defending ghost but Jinnai was afk for the past hours after this reaction doing fishing so i dunno to be fair they should ban her too then ?
If you lost to an AFK streamer, maybe you should quit streaming. For people who have some critical thinking left and don't take whatever BlueSquadron said at face value, what Ghostragzz did on stream is a legit way to play the game and actually in a sense encouraged by the game developer (they are running a horse training event with one of the biggest event buffs). On the other hand, what BlueSquadron used to justify his against ToS claim was from a game company named "Klei entertainment" 5 years ago and a twitch support tweet which mostly addressed the issue that people doing something not even related to live gameplay (because some people played vods for example) and no mentioning of AFK. In fact there is no mentioning of AFK in twitch ToS, that's why those who try to stand by BlueSquadron needs to search for something that looks somewhat similar in any way and try hard to interpret it so that it looks like it is indeed against ToS. With the people who claimed they have reported, I guess if Ghostragzz still exists after a while, it will prove twitch doesn't give a F. We will see. And I have to mention Garnier, the guy who has some extreme hate towards AFK streams and DM BlueSquadron which lead to this confrontation. I wonder if it is because his stream is not doing well and saw those who AFK get similar or even more views than him. It reminds me of how Verdict felt about Pisanity getting more than him using his content. But the difference is that Garnier is a clown who instead of addressing his hate himself he wants someone with bigger audience to swing a hammer for him. What a loser.
In the interest of a productive conversation, I am not going to try and dispute your comments about critical thinking, taking BlueSquadron at face value, or your comments about other content creators and their stances, and instead will address the points you have brought up about being AFK. First and foremost, I do agree with you that the way that Ghostragzz plays the game is entirely legitimate as a PLAYER. As you said this type of gameplay is encouraged by the developers. They are definitely trying to incentivize players to stay logged into the game even while not actively playing. HOWEVER this discussion was not about Ghostragzz as a player. This is a discussion about Ghostragzz as a STREAMER on Twitch. In regard to Ghostragzz's content as a streamer I disagree with the stance you have taken based on my own research of the situation as well as the content within BlueSquadron's video. The terms of service do not directly discuss drop abuse however the Twitch community guidelines do and are directly referenced within the TOS. (See the following quote from TOS Paragraph 10. "You agree that you will comply with these Terms of Service and Twitch's Community Guidelines") Within the Twitch Community Guidelines they specifically call out cheating the twitch rewards system such as the drops or channel point system under the "Spam, Scams, and Other Malicious Conduct" section, which was linked within the Twitch Support tweet in the above video. I will quote the applicable section of the tweet here for you. "Drops rewards are meant to be earned during live gameplay with your community - not through streaming unrelated content like static images, rebroadcasts of past VODs/footage, or other scenarios where you are not interacting with your community." You claimed that people who try to stand by BlueSquadron need to search for something that looks somewhat similar in any way and try hard to interpret it as against TOS, however based on the above wording I would contend that you would have to try significantly harder to misinterpret the language of the twitch support tweet for it to not apply to fully AFK content. Streaming AFK gameplay while not having any interaction with the stream would most certainly fall under "other scenarios where you are not interacting with your community". As mentioned in the video, a perfectly viable option would be to afk train in the background while you talk with your chat or otherwise interact with your community. But being completely AFK and neither interacting with the game actively nor your chat/community actively would be breaking the Twitch community guidelines as stated by the official Twitch Support twitter.
Just to clarify this is a TOS issue while drops are enabled. If he were to disable drops while he is AFK that would be within the rules outlined in the twitch community guidelines, and was also suggested within the video.
@@brokugin Can you just go report jinnaaii and let us know how twitch reply? None of us represents twitch I suppose and it is up to twitch to decide if it is indeed against ToS. She has been negatively affected everyone with less than 400 viewers in the last 6 hours brother. Can you imagine how serious the situation is? BTW don't you find it super weird that in PA's year-long human-view-bot program, many people have streamed AFK in certain degree, either those salty losers like Garnier have already reported like crazy and twitch didn't do anything, or no one actually reported them. If you want to help those people who lost to these AFK streams, why don't you go help them by reporting to twitch and get rip of them? I'm not a twitch staff, arguing with me if it is against ToS won't help those people.
@@yin420 I am not trying to have an argument as I previously said I was replying to have a productive conversation. I don't watch Jinnaaii, but if I were watching her or any other content creator and they were breaking TOS I would report. I don't just run around and report everyone that people say did something wrong. Twitch may or may not take any action. Maybe the category is so small for them they don't even care enough to do anything. As you said neither of us are twitch support. As such I can't tell you if people actually were reported or if they just didn't care to take action. I do choose to support streamers who are active in the directory. I can't be everywhere at once so with the time I do have to view twitch I choose to be on streams where there are things happening.
@@brokugin My point is that we are not the one who determines what breaks ToS. Your definition of "cheating" and how to interpret that tweet is not necessarily the same twitch. The situation now is you are not a judge but you together with many people claim that someone is guilty. If you believe so firmly that a certain action is against ToS, report them, and report everyone else that are doing the same. Like, I don't like certain things you do, it is a right thing to do if I just pick something form the ToS that looks similar and use that to accuse you, bypassing the one who owns the ToS as if I'm the judge, and not only that, I motivate hundreds of people to to do the same. It is exactly what is happening here.
I can't wait for Blue to PvP this guy at Sea. 😅😅 We love to see that content; we don't get to watch PvP in Boats/Ships, this will be a nice change of pace.
Why be bothered by an afk streamer? Streamers who have less viewers just are probably not good enough. For example there is a reason why you (Blue) are having more views than him - your streams are more interesting and engaging. If the streamers who have less viewers than the afk streamer would make their streams better, I'm sure they could get more views than the afk streamer. And obviously people are going to see his afk stream because they can go afk while "watching" it and not worry that the stream will end when they are away. If a stream ends too early, then people will miss drops. The thing is that many don't want to watch streams or don't have time to watch streams, but they do want to get the drops to progress faster in game. I guess this kind of people are his main audience and it makes sense. In that sense he is maybe just clever and by doing this kind of low effort streams he can get views and maybe even make some money. It is the same in many other fields - some work hard and some don't but their pay can be the same or even the people who don't work hard can earn a lot more. In the end no one is forced to watch his afk streams, it is just what some people prefer to do. People are different and have different reasons to do things. No streamer should be worried about other streamers. Each streamer should be worried about themselves and just make their streams better to get more views. No one should aim to win by dragging others down but by lifting themselves up :)
I’ve tried to watch this dude before and I just wanted to entertain the fact to see like is he actually AFK I left my computer on while playing on my consul because I also have bdo on my consul to watch his stream the whole time I was playing my console. He did not speak to anyone That also means I was AFK, but I’m not the streamer there was nothing entertaining going on with anything n I was in the for at least 3 hrs 😂 the only reason why I remember is because it was the first time I caught an entire group in a tamer void and my friends clean them up while we were at Helms
18 hours late but the popcorn is actually still tasty This is the 2nd time watching this.... the amount of mental gymnastics he was doing he would beat Simone Biles
I would have blocked and reported him in after the third repeat of his Argument. Thats all of my Courtesy he would get. Blues patience is hard like Steel.
Literaly a mentality of a 14y old boy that has trauma from his parents constantly undercutting him his whole life
Well he said he was a historian, so no surprise.
It’s funny that I can’t tell which one you’re talking about
an hour of Blue yelling? Sign me the heck up.
The afk guy pretty smart to get views by playing his part
Imagine having 3 of the top streamers in the category advising you that your actions are toxic to the category and the entire platform and your reply is "your chat is so toxic dude"
when garnier doesnt like someone you know he's bad
The point in twitch streaming is to stream to an audience. If you stream to just not be there, run around on a horse, then what is the point. If I join into a stream, and its just 10 minutes of running on a horse, no music, no one talking. Why do I have to make the effort to get you to talk. You could be doing something for me to want to engage with you.
This. It's why I dislike people who afk fish and stream.
No one forcing you to watch
Technically they do got just sleeping streams were you watch someone literally AFK lol
Watched this guy live, he dodged and shifted harder then Shaky in Shaky Vs Nep.
That guy is mentally ill. The gaslighting, asking for the impossible, changing topics instantly and interrupting when something uncomfortable is brought up to try to stay on top of the conversation. He could be a wonderful subject to show to a new generation of psychiatrists.
this is actually funny, cause both do the same thing. so idk who you referring to xd
@@RealEtikS im confuse to who he is referring to. But that should be blue
@@RealEtikS lmao during this convo? are you high? ghost made a fool outta himself and blue came with facts lmao
@@RealEtikS You can't be serious
I'd say manipulation is also at play here.
I’m 14 mins in and I can’t stand the intellectual dishonesty from this guy, trying to gotcha things that don’t even apply back to the other side. How does blue deal with this for another hour
he was a teacher
@@FrosTesd why did he stop being a teacher ? 0.0
@@RealEtikS The school found out he was a BDO Content Creator, didn't like the type of thumbnails with big boobs characters and stuff, told him that it is bad influence for their students regardless of the fact that Blue was actually a great teacher.
It's technically unclear the reason why they found out, it happened at the same time Blue had some drama with ex guild members, people leaking his entire irl stuff so it's a supposition that they contacted his school to get him fired for revenge.
@@invaaaaaasor oh I heard he was abusing his co-female workers :O
@@invaaaaaasor It isn't really unclear. Pretty sure Blue stated a few times the ex guild members leaked it to his school because they also did it to another acquaintance of Blue around the same time. I could be wrong on that though.
he said, DEAD ASS ... " I do play the game, i have to switch the horses .. " LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DEAD
So later today if i remember, imma just go through and report everyone doing this. His comment about ignoring his 1 singular chatter out of 36 viewers rubbed me the wrong way, he should be banned.
I never knew BDO community was such a fun time, i dont like the game, but this dramas are fun to watch.
AFK Drop streamers are like the career politicians who do nothing in office but collect paychecks and downvote the other sides plans and ideas.
Parasites by any other name
35 viewers probably doesn't generate revenue.
True, but I'm talking Dropstreamers on the whole, and not this specific person. Albion has lots of dropstreamers that average 1k+ viewers that are just as bad.
so like kamala harris? who got into the role she got without actually achieving something? 😂
@@pyroclutch9061 my guy you live at home while she has multiple degrees and passed the bar exam, held civil service, and won several elections. you're still working at taco bell. be fr fr
1. im not from the US
2. i do live at home i hope you consider your house also your home
3. USA owns $859.4B to china so better start learning the language
4. the average american cant afford a fast $100 Bill!
but hey keep voting for the worse and be the even bigger laughing stock US already looks like a 3rd world country
What he said about horse training XP hasn't worked that way for like 6 months, lmao.
As a ghost I would like to say a couple things here. First being just because he is a ghost does not mean I know him. Second not all Ghosts are down this bad. I unfortunately am also down bad but I do not think about masturbation as much as this ghost. Finally I am the better ghost.
Firstly true. Secondly you are still a loser.
I needed popcorn for this. It was so funny - he has done this for sooo long and 100% wont change. Thankyou Blue
i just went to that stream and he was literally playing hearthstone yelling at someone for asking him where the black desert content was lol
best lunch + UA-cam session i've had in a while
Dude volunteered to jump in a call to discuss then says hes bein harassed
Hi blue ... just want to drop in really quick ... I've been watching your video's for a while now, and when I can I drop into your streams (sadly I'm EU based and timezones and shit). I have to admit that some of your content is a bit over the top for me (I'm kind of a silent guy myself), but I do agree twith everything stated here in this video. You communicate with your chat and heck ... I've seen you react to comments on UA-cam as well (even though you get a lot). And that is probably the main reason why I keep watching your content. I would stand by you (and FakeUni for that matter) on this discussion. I have a small channel and wouldn't even call myself a content creator or an active streamer .. heck .. .to be any good I'm just not exciting enough. But I do agree with you 100% ... streaming content without even saying a word on stream isn't good for any category. As much as I am a silent guy, you will never find me streaming for hours and hours without saying a word ... Keep up the good work !!!!
What a character. Thank you for calling him out.
Oh no he's restarted... 😭 Kid literally has room temperature IQ, it's like talking to a wall
16 minutes into the video, my IQ might have dropped listening to the kid. I am officially a fan of ZeSquirrel now after that pre-siege payout kick LOL.
"Right now I'm selling your stupidity" - best line
Blue doing lords work, ezwpclap
The amount of mental gymnastics from this afk guy is actually impressive
I used to be in guild with him the only time ive seen him active on stream is when he went to siege ive looked At his stream multiple times a week its always afk fishing or afk just standing there
Oh my God this has been the most fun hour I've ever grinded, best video ever xD
This guy is psychotic....holy shit I can't believe these twisted arguments he's repeating to himself while streaming silently for hours on end.
BRO THATS PREMIUM CONTENT
If you look up delusional in the dictionary you will see a picture of GhostRagzz
1 hour of dude gaslighting blue and changing topic on everything blue was right on
damn this is good. Definitely worth the hour and 12 minutes of my life. Thank You.
Now **THIS** is fucking DRAMA BABY.
as a person who quit streaming BDO bc i felt like i didnt have what it takes back in like may or so, talking to myself was how i actually kept myself sane while i grinded lol idk what hes going on about...
This was wild to watch live - Back to back slug fest - W Blue
ENTIRELY BASED - GETTEM WITH THE TRUTH FAM
I was already rolling on the ground but the moment fake joined I absolutely bust out laughing that's PEAK BDO drama content right here 😂
The patience you got is remarkable
Blue bringing us that Bluetone energy.
What a feast.
let me clear one thing: the afk streamer is so wrong,
now... but shitting on him because he has a low viewer base is so bad and wrong too. You was laughing talking about a streamer having low viewer base and is not cool Blue. Laughing about him having an editor. What's the problem? he cannot have an editor having a low viewer base? At some point you had this kinda numbers on your twitch and youtube. Did you forgot?
@18:53 didnt age well @BlueSquadron.
Fricc afk drop streams! Even when you get raided by someone that has mainly lurkers since they just streamed all day, still gotta talk it up by yourself! Welcome to Twitch
EDIT: NOT JACKING OFF FOR 18 DAYS IS CRAZY
Dang I wanted to see that 1v1
"Right now I'm selling your stupidity" DEAD 🤣
I get the impression this kid walked all over his parents his whole life.
blue got a boost from Asmin by crying for being fired now he averaging 1k views, and thinks he made it in life, laughing and talking down on people with low view count oh 45 views on twitch oh 30 views on youtube. chill homie 50% of your views are bots look at the list of names on your chat, do a pole while live Blue i bed only 30% of your views will participate the other 30% is afk lurking and the other 40% is view bots. Switch games Blue for 1 week and lets see how dead your chat will be and where your views go I dare you. FakeUni view bots like crazy 200+ people on the chat and 5 people type all day, sometimes 20 minutes go by 1 person typing with 200+ views
Even crazier, he was given a teach or stream option by the school, but he picked streaming over teaching. Also the school administration knew about his stream on day 1 hiring him, and allegedly many of his students knew about his stream. But he lied in front of Asmongold and thousands of people. And now he is calling people out AFK stream is against ToS (AFK stream is not even defined in the ToS so he has to pick one that looks close and interpret it in the way he wanted) or unethical, what surprises me the most is that his brainrot audience can be trained to take what he said at 100% face value.
@@yin420 the delusion in this post is peak cinema. ty for supporting me!
@@bluesquadronlive @bluesquadronlive which part?
1. You did say with your own month that your school administration knew about your stream early on and at the end they offered you a teach or stream option but you chose streaming, which is different from the version you told Asmongold and thousands of people. These can be found in one of the replies in a Goldsteinburg video which points to a vod of your own stream, from your own month (the vod still exists btw).
2. There is a document around with the allegedly claim (and many other things from the Reforged people's perspective) that many of your students knew about your stream, which I'd give you a benefit of a doubt since it is not from your own month. But it would be nice if you can show the proof from the department of homeland security that you claimed to have (not alleged, you said that in the same vod) to justify you didn't lie about they reported you to your school causing you to lose your job, since that's kind of the reason why that document exists in the first place.
3. Twitch ToS does not have a clear description about what is allowed and what is not allowed on drop channel beside a couple obvious things (and AFK is not one of them). Your google search result from Klei entertainment and a tweet is not the official ToS. What's why people who tried to farm this drama and actually go to the ToS page have to look things that seems fitting and can be used to charge Ghostragzz, with the closest ones being violating the of integrity of twitch services or cheating the twitch award system. Both have no clear definition and it is up to twitch to decide if it counted as violating the ToS. Or put it this way, if Ghostragzz and Jinnaaii are not banned after a while, do you think this against ToS claim is wrong?
The Delulu is great on this video.
BDO has no content so twitch streamers beefing is the content
I mean, most people at least grind.
To be fair, the content has always been beefing. But now that PA has gone vegan, the beef has moved out of game
@@irishijo1 True, they gonna be attacking hairlines soon 💀
This literally against TOS though.
So I'm pretty sure the horse training method he was talking about was the one where you buy stable horses, put them on a wagon, and afk level them a couple levels. Then like after 20 to 30 minutes you replace them with a fresh set of level 1 horses. This method is the fastest way to gain training experience because you get way more experience this way than by training a horse all the way to level 30. I'm not defending him. I think he's an AFK streamer. But maybe he believes he's an active streamer because he checks back into BDO every 20 minutes.
This guys a load of barnacles 💀
The absolute audacity and delusion, I just can´t with that guy 🤣
Just rambling and gaslighting nothing else, premium brainrot and hurt ego...
that ghost guy needs a mental clinics ASAP :D internet is actualy hurting his,whats left of it, BRAIN?!
Tho he may be OMEGA-GIGA TROLL !
The way you type, your brain must be cooked as well.
As a Brian, im offended people like him lack brains
This video was hard to watch, this person has no idea how to have a conversation or make a point. All this person did was use straw man tactics and fallacies or just making no sense at all. Please no more content with people like this my brain hurts... Love you BLUE
One of the funniest things i heard "I killed the candium fish and got his gold shell. Ima sea monster hunter now."
Tears rolling down my face. That dish drops thst shell the majority of the time. He was so happy he Killed it once and though he got some good loot.
nah this shit really is CONTENT listening to this like a podcast while grindin
Does Garnier know that a lot of streamers who are starting out usually talk on stream as if there are 100 people talking in chat? That's how it is. That's the game. You are supposed to be engaging and clearly PA doesn't like people who are literally afk and muted.
Watched the whole video. Holy fuck, this isn't a real person. There's no way this isn't a bot programmed to troll.
"Is it because I have 6/6 V Manos" as a response to Blue putting him in the same group as that KR afk streamer they pulled up.
"What I do is not ToS" - ah so morals out the window, if the rules/laws don't prohibit it, it's fine.
Not even 10min into it and he already shows exactly how little worth there is in even attempting to talk to him.
Edit after watching the entire thing:
Yeah the brain rot is too deep, no saving this soul. Man can't string...sorry, kiddo can't string 2 coherent sentenses on the same subject and keeps contradicting himself every other minute he speaks...It's almost impressive in a way, how he managed for so long not forgetting simple things like breathing, eating, drinking water and god forbid watching out for traffic when(if) outside.
I find it scary they exist.
I literally just opened his stream after i've watched the video the guy has a failed to connect screen playing live for the past 30-60 minutes with drops enabled and everything and didnt even notice
For those wondering, this guy doesnt believe a word he said, he is just using Blue for content, thats thee only explenation I can think of for the nonsense he is saying
Zsquirrel gigachad moment
I really wanted to see a boat race at the end there lol.
Open 24/7 streamer > mute > new tab of actual content stream thats not BDO running in circles > TY for drops.
funny how blue say jinaii is good streamer when currently she has 35 hours long afk stream. kekw
didn't age well. Literally started the next day after this conversation lol
This shit is hilarious but I gotta point out pretty sure you are wrong about the I'm only sleeping category. I'm only sleeping is a game, it even tells everyone that in the category desctription. Twitch didn't make that category for people to actually go and sleep in lmao.
this dude has his room so hot they come complains about it but it's only hot because his PC runs 24 hours a day unstop
I didn’t see this taking the turn it did when Fake got in call. How can something be both funny and sad.
I agree with you 100%, and AFK streamers don't put in the work nearly as much as an active streamer like you. But man, you are not passively aggressive, Blue. You are in your face, down your throat, drama aggressive lmao. Entertaining for sure, though.
Channel that inner Odablock, Blue. "I already kicked him." Lol.
This is the type of person that I would see and tell them to give up at whatever thing they're doing
alright i am back subbed and this is the content lol
i just wanna say and im not defending ghost but Jinnai was afk for the past hours after this reaction doing fishing so i dunno to be fair they should ban her too then ?
No way this guy is a real peson
If you lost to an AFK streamer, maybe you should quit streaming.
For people who have some critical thinking left and don't take whatever BlueSquadron said at face value, what Ghostragzz did on stream is a legit way to play the game and actually in a sense encouraged by the game developer (they are running a horse training event with one of the biggest event buffs). On the other hand, what BlueSquadron used to justify his against ToS claim was from a game company named "Klei entertainment" 5 years ago and a twitch support tweet which mostly addressed the issue that people doing something not even related to live gameplay (because some people played vods for example) and no mentioning of AFK. In fact there is no mentioning of AFK in twitch ToS, that's why those who try to stand by BlueSquadron needs to search for something that looks somewhat similar in any way and try hard to interpret it so that it looks like it is indeed against ToS. With the people who claimed they have reported, I guess if Ghostragzz still exists after a while, it will prove twitch doesn't give a F. We will see.
And I have to mention Garnier, the guy who has some extreme hate towards AFK streams and DM BlueSquadron which lead to this confrontation. I wonder if it is because his stream is not doing well and saw those who AFK get similar or even more views than him. It reminds me of how Verdict felt about Pisanity getting more than him using his content. But the difference is that Garnier is a clown who instead of addressing his hate himself he wants someone with bigger audience to swing a hammer for him. What a loser.
In the interest of a productive conversation, I am not going to try and dispute your comments about critical thinking, taking BlueSquadron at face value, or your comments about other content creators and their stances, and instead will address the points you have brought up about being AFK.
First and foremost, I do agree with you that the way that Ghostragzz plays the game is entirely legitimate as a PLAYER. As you said this type of gameplay is encouraged by the developers. They are definitely trying to incentivize players to stay logged into the game even while not actively playing.
HOWEVER this discussion was not about Ghostragzz as a player. This is a discussion about Ghostragzz as a STREAMER on Twitch. In regard to Ghostragzz's content as a streamer I disagree with the stance you have taken based on my own research of the situation as well as the content within BlueSquadron's video.
The terms of service do not directly discuss drop abuse however the Twitch community guidelines do and are directly referenced within the TOS. (See the following quote from TOS Paragraph 10. "You agree that you will comply with these Terms of Service and Twitch's Community Guidelines") Within the Twitch Community Guidelines they specifically call out cheating the twitch rewards system such as the drops or channel point system under the "Spam, Scams, and Other Malicious Conduct" section, which was linked within the Twitch Support tweet in the above video. I will quote the applicable section of the tweet here for you.
"Drops rewards are meant to be earned during live gameplay with your community - not through streaming unrelated content like static images, rebroadcasts of past VODs/footage, or other scenarios where you are not interacting with your community."
You claimed that people who try to stand by BlueSquadron need to search for something that looks somewhat similar in any way and try hard to interpret it as against TOS, however based on the above wording I would contend that you would have to try significantly harder to misinterpret the language of the twitch support tweet for it to not apply to fully AFK content. Streaming AFK gameplay while not having any interaction with the stream would most certainly fall under "other scenarios where you are not interacting with your community".
As mentioned in the video, a perfectly viable option would be to afk train in the background while you talk with your chat or otherwise interact with your community. But being completely AFK and neither interacting with the game actively nor your chat/community actively would be breaking the Twitch community guidelines as stated by the official Twitch Support twitter.
Just to clarify this is a TOS issue while drops are enabled. If he were to disable drops while he is AFK that would be within the rules outlined in the twitch community guidelines, and was also suggested within the video.
@@brokugin Can you just go report jinnaaii and let us know how twitch reply? None of us represents twitch I suppose and it is up to twitch to decide if it is indeed against ToS. She has been negatively affected everyone with less than 400 viewers in the last 6 hours brother. Can you imagine how serious the situation is?
BTW don't you find it super weird that in PA's year-long human-view-bot program, many people have streamed AFK in certain degree, either those salty losers like Garnier have already reported like crazy and twitch didn't do anything, or no one actually reported them. If you want to help those people who lost to these AFK streams, why don't you go help them by reporting to twitch and get rip of them? I'm not a twitch staff, arguing with me if it is against ToS won't help those people.
@@yin420 I am not trying to have an argument as I previously said I was replying to have a productive conversation.
I don't watch Jinnaaii, but if I were watching her or any other content creator and they were breaking TOS I would report. I don't just run around and report everyone that people say did something wrong. Twitch may or may not take any action. Maybe the category is so small for them they don't even care enough to do anything. As you said neither of us are twitch support. As such I can't tell you if people actually were reported or if they just didn't care to take action.
I do choose to support streamers who are active in the directory. I can't be everywhere at once so with the time I do have to view twitch I choose to be on streams where there are things happening.
@@brokugin My point is that we are not the one who determines what breaks ToS. Your definition of "cheating" and how to interpret that tweet is not necessarily the same twitch. The situation now is you are not a judge but you together with many people claim that someone is guilty. If you believe so firmly that a certain action is against ToS, report them, and report everyone else that are doing the same. Like, I don't like certain things you do, it is a right thing to do if I just pick something form the ToS that looks similar and use that to accuse you, bypassing the one who owns the ToS as if I'm the judge, and not only that, I motivate hundreds of people to to do the same. It is exactly what is happening here.
I can't wait for Blue to PvP this guy at Sea. 😅😅
We love to see that content; we don't get to watch PvP in Boats/Ships, this will be a nice change of pace.
Why be bothered by an afk streamer? Streamers who have less viewers just are probably not good enough. For example there is a reason why you (Blue) are having more views than him - your streams are more interesting and engaging. If the streamers who have less viewers than the afk streamer would make their streams better, I'm sure they could get more views than the afk streamer.
And obviously people are going to see his afk stream because they can go afk while "watching" it and not worry that the stream will end when they are away. If a stream ends too early, then people will miss drops. The thing is that many don't want to watch streams or don't have time to watch streams, but they do want to get the drops to progress faster in game. I guess this kind of people are his main audience and it makes sense. In that sense he is maybe just clever and by doing this kind of low effort streams he can get views and maybe even make some money. It is the same in many other fields - some work hard and some don't but their pay can be the same or even the people who don't work hard can earn a lot more.
In the end no one is forced to watch his afk streams, it is just what some people prefer to do. People are different and have different reasons to do things. No streamer should be worried about other streamers. Each streamer should be worried about themselves and just make their streams better to get more views. No one should aim to win by dragging others down but by lifting themselves up :)
hilarious cause as im watching this video i checked his stream and he is AFK again
I miss the drama damn it I already brought the Popcorn
17:39 of course is a havoc member lmaoo
This is copium embodiment in flesh
I’ve tried to watch this dude before and I just wanted to entertain the fact to see like is he actually AFK I left my computer on while playing on my consul because I also have bdo on my consul to watch his stream the whole time I was playing my console. He did not speak to anyone That also means I was AFK, but I’m not the streamer there was nothing entertaining going on with anything n I was in the for at least 3 hrs 😂 the only reason why I remember is because it was the first time I caught an entire group in a tamer void and my friends clean them up while we were at Helms
18 hours late but the popcorn is actually still tasty
This is the 2nd time watching this.... the amount of mental gymnastics he was doing he would beat Simone Biles
I would love to believe that this guy is trolling for content xD Screaming Blue - pure gold 🤩
I wish they would turn off drops for one day just to see how many " streamers" disappear from the category.
did this guy take "Reddit Debatelord 101" online somewhere?
Why bother waste time on him? Let him get ban then he will learn.
This was pure gold.
He def has zerooo irl friends
this guy was def trolling, no way he didn't know how ads work lool
i am new to this drop streaming thing, i never thought of doing this even only averaging 0 viewers here
so this behavior is also afk streaming?
This video has made me truly realise that I DO NOT have the patience to be a teacher
I wanna pk this guy but I know he be probably on a lv49 shai smh 🤦
I would have blocked and reported him in after the third repeat of his Argument. Thats all of my Courtesy he would get.
Blues patience is hard like Steel.
Oh no no no no xD
We eating good bois
This guy needs to loosen the chinstrap on his hemet
Didn't know Pauly Shore streamed BDO.
This gave me joy
This guy sounds like he can barely be bothered to talk out loud.
You tell em blue reality check