Could McLaren actually beat Red Bull?
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- Опубліковано 17 січ 2024
- McLaren have revealed their 2024 livery for the season, and many fans are excited about the potential battle they could have against Red Bull. McLaren are entering the 2024 Formula 1 Season with huge momentum and they could fight for wins against Red Bull. But how did they get to this point? And when can they actually fight for the world championship? Enjoy!
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One big positive for McLaren is definitely their driver lineup. Max Verstappen recently said that if he was a team principal and couldn't choose himself to drive, he would choose both Lando and Oscar.
It’s eventually going to work against them, especially if Piastri starts beating Norris more regularly. They will be more worried about beating each other than beating Max.
@@stevenst6337 Lando will need to step it up if that happens, it looks like he cracks a little under pressure and Piastri is only gonna apply more pressure
Lando is just more experience than Oscar for now...when Oscar improve he will regularly beating lando
@@stevenst6337 True
Max be like: I don’t think you have the facilities for that big man!😅
Plus Max has Lando in his pocket as he’d destroy Norris.
I read that in his voice😂
Are you sure; there are slowly falling apart just ask Horner, plus you will have ford fiesta engine in there from 2026 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I find it interesting when you were talking about McLaren of all teams being at Red Bull’s ankles, when I remember Daniel Riccardo predicting that he would be at championship form in 2024. Ironically this was while he was at McLaren.
Yeah lets be honest: It's between McLaren and Ferrari.
Ferrari have a much more competant boss
Merc havent changed anything
McLaren have made huge gains and have new facilities and improved staff.
Aston literally proved last year they can't upgrade a car (it got worse when they did).
@@bill4665 True, I mean Ferrari and McLaren have been long time rivals.
@@bill4665 Mercedes needs to change one thing... the car. And that's what they're supposedly doing.
He is not relevant anymore. Stop living in 2018
@@vatsaldvora Oh I’m aware, I just find it absolutely hilarious.
I think Piastri might be the one who will be the next F1 champ after Max's period of domination is over.
If he (and mclaren) continues his progress at the same rate, I think that’s a very likely possibility
I want McLaren, Ferrari, and Merc taking it to RB this year. The more, the merrier.
We can hope… we can hope
i think with the livery the McLaren finally looks like a winning car again. Like the Red Bulls and Ferraris look like theyd feel right parked behind the 1 board, but cars like the Haases and the Alpha Tauris don't. As much as I loved the blue, this years McLaren looks like a serious car that's not just there for the vibes
Piastri is definitely a talent. Norris as well. But I don’t see it happen. I’d love to be wrong. Oscar definitely got the goods. The fact that he won something before Lando, in his first year is a very good sign. I think it’s Lando who got the pressure on. Twice now, the guy in the other car won. That gotta be hurting a bit. He’s a bit like Russell, in my opinion.
Norris did win a qualif session (if you think that sprint victory is a win a pole is a win too)
@@dofrondemeraude5607 a pole position, although amazing, is not a win. Even if it’s just a Sprint win. To be more literal, a pole is like getting the person you fancy up to your apartment/house, doesn’t mean you’ll get to go all the way, many things can go wrong. A win, that’s going all the way with the person you fancied a lot. Even if a sprint win. We all had those “sprint wins” every once in a while.
@@CSCRECORDSBCIn response to your main post. I’d only say George has the fair excuse that A) he’s got a legend and Seven-Time WDC in the other car. And B) he’s won a race more recently than LH.
@@CSCRECORDSBC for me a sprint win is not a win.
@@dofrondemeraude5607 yeah. I gotta give that to you, I’m on the fence about those as well.
I reckon they might have a classic mid/late 2010s RB season, starting off a bit adrift of Red Bull/Max but slowly closing in on pace. Maybe with a few wins sprinkled in, but by the end they'll have just about caught RB; the issue is it'll be too little too late, and 2025 will no doubt see the board reset
I'm a McLaren fan and I'm trying to manage my expectations for this year. Yes I think McLaren are going to leapfrog Ferrari & Mercedes in the first half of the season, do I think they can beat Red Bull? If it's a Red Bull driven by Checo, yes! And a Red Bull driven by Max? Different ball game as far as I'm concerned. But I think wins for both Lando & Oscar will be within touching distance!
I’m excited for the new McLaren but like what Andrea said, the upgrades redbull couldn’t put on their car last year will be there this year so it’s gonna take something special to beat them. But there’s way more confidence in the team and what they were saying on Tuesday that they’ve taken another big step forward. It all depends on if they’ve found the problem with their knife edge handling
@dward596 They are aware of the handling problem and said they are on it. Stella even said he can't say more to it because it's too important knowledge. But the improvements could come with updates not immediately.
No, but would be great if they could somewhat challenge RB. Red Bull has already started to develop 2025 car and the 2024 season has not even started yet...... meaning that 2024 could be UTTER dominance again!
So have McLaren. Zak Brown has stated that they have teams already working on 2025 and 2026. The advantage McLaren have right now over RB is the greater development time available to them.
@@zeberto1986yeah but red bull put full effort into 24 after the Italian GP whilst it’s competitors failed to catch up and were developing far later into the season. RB is still half a year ahead of Merc, McLaren, and Ferrari. Also I think RacingBulls have a better shot at competing than those teams tbh
If Mika Hakkinnen says we're going to be World Champions than we will 😂
He was right with his prediction last year so you never know we shall see....
Deff hoping for some lando vs max
Don’t ever see that happening.
A lot of crazy hype around McLaren, they are also very excited about their new car and this rebranding… let’s hope they live up to it
Of course. They had no problem last year to say already at the presentation that the car will be trash. And they always were the Kings of understatement.
Aint no way red bull have been develping the 2024 car for far longer
They already switched development for their 2025 car RB21
I bet they have been, it’s exactly what Mercedes used to do. When you’re so far ahead it makes sense to already switch focus to next years car to keep the gap. Only difference now is the cost cap, CFD restrictions and wind tunnel time.
Yeah rip competition @@quadrantalerror1121
@@quadrantalerror1121 That's probably a lie to fool competitiors. Teams don't do that because if the technical regs change all that wind tunnel time is for nothing.
@@quadrantalerror1121Theyve lost the 2024 championship already if thats true
Zak will be better off focusing fully on their car development rather being petty about the two Red Bull teams getting closer bcz there's no way distance is what keeps anybody from sharing datas and if they want they'd have done it long ago.
Crazy to think that Red Bull wrote off car development for the 2023 car very early on and they have already completed the 2024 car and have begun the ‘25 car
I'm betting that 2024 is going to be a much closer season.
There isn't much that Red Bull can do to improve upon the RB19, while the other teams have been closing the gap, with McLaren being the standout.
I can see it being a three-way fight between RB, McLaren and Ferrari, with Alonso nabbing a podium here and there.
Beat Red Bull? It depends.
In the championship? No
In some races? Yes. Definitely. Especially if their form from the end of last season continues, they can definitely win, and maybe even 1-2 a few race weekends
Its my main prediction for McLaren to win the constructors this year, I would love to see it as a McLaren (and Mercedes) fan!
1st
We just need someone to challenge them
Mclaren era will come soon.
Whatever it takes. For sounds like an upcoming cost cap breach.
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McLaren at the front would be very much welcomed, especially if it would get Lando and Oscar some wins between them - it would also send a message to Red Bull that their days of total dominance are numbered, since only 2 non Red Bull drivers have won races since Max won in 2021, and nobody has really been able to stop them unless they themselves are having a bad day. To win against Red Bull when its business as usual would be amazing.
*3 drivers Rus, Sai, Lec
@@thomas-wm4rzyep totally forgot about that thank you 😂
No
As Max fan I hope more competition with McLaren and Ferrari
Same. I don’t want Merc to die off like Williams did but they can sit back for awhile after that 8 season run
No shit sherlock
Honestly, if the gap between Perez and Verstappen is big enough… another team could snatch the constructers… provided that Max doesn’t ace the season again
Piastri got them Kimi vibes, which is the best thing possible.
As a McLaren fan I dont think that they will win the championship but Im hoping that they can be a lot closer, maybe winning the odd race here and there. From the sounds of it Merc and Ferrari are changing design philosophy and will need to spend more time playing catch up so this will be McLarens best chance in a long time to win races.
Both McLaren drivers cracked under pressure when they had a chance to get top results.
Lando most notably bottled two chances to put the car on pole with Qatar and Abu Dhabi 2023.
I think I'm ready to put £5 on mclaren and £2.50 on each driver, I think they have a chance this year
Mclaren and Aston Martin I feel will be big challengers. at the very least in 2026
If Perez will make the same performance as 2023, and McLaren make the best result possible at every race, maybe a big maybe, McLaren will challenge RedBull, but I am to much optimistic. And I share your oppinion on McLaren, the new mantra, mentality are a really good signe for them.
Their car has the biggest potential. If McLaren makes a rocket ship faster than Red Bull, it would be up to the drivers to use it. Lando and Oscar have been at their racing peak and they have the chance to make Red Bull run for its money.
Idk if everyone just forgot or something but in case you need a reminder. Lando was 27 seconds behind max at Abu Dhabi and Oscar 31. That’s with max doing a bad strategy so he could get 1000 laps 🤷🏼♂️
And in Sao Paulo lando was +8 seconds so what...
@@thomas-wm4rz Which shows that they are inconsistent. How your competitive one weekend and then just drop off the next.
@@tailonchallenger6471 How are you calling a driver that was 7 out of the last 11 events on the podium inconsistent? How are you calling everyone else apart from Max then?
@@thomas-wm4rz um well I would say max is pretty consistent considering he won every race almost and showed no signs of slowing down. And lando btw since the Brit gp finished on the podium 7 times and 5th and below 6 times. So idk where 7-11 events comes from.
@@tailonchallenger6471 First learn to read. I said everyone apart from max has to be called the inconsistency in person then. And I said Events because i included sprints
Hope you are right about norris, but max will win WC..... but constructors?? It could be macclaren...
I guarantee they finish either second or third in the WCC. It all depends on whether Ferrari gonna Ferrari.
Are F1 fans really this naive ? No one is catching Redbull until really 2026 they have both the 24 & 25 titles wrapped up with how far ahead of the rest they are.
I’ve actually lost faith in Mercedes getting the car concept right. I’d be more inclined to think it’ll be Ferrari fighting with McLaren for P2 rather than Mercedes.
The problem with this theory is that RB has been seriously sand bagging for 2 solid years now.
McLaren will start off slow like they always do happened in 21 22 and 23…
Let me save your time watching this - no.
Perspective is worth our time
Let's see, we'll look forward tve progress in the next 12 month
This isn't a daily mail article, this is a Perspective video, no spoilers please
Yea.. let him speak his mind.
Now now less negativity
I don’t think so.
Hard to say anything before testing and stuff but McLaren had done some little things (big ones too)at the and of the last season that indicated too me, that they mean it and know what they're doing. Little details that show, that there is a progress in the works. I hope I'm right, would be fun to see McLaren back on top, fighting it out.
But I also have a feeling that Ferrari will surprise us, either with an utter box of sh*t, struggling for points or with a beautiful machine, a gift, Enzo has send us from the heavens to make Charles Leclerc forever known as Charles LeMagne.
Also maybe Merc remembered how to build a car. It's foolish to think that they won't, at least until proven otherwise. It's not very likely, that they will be right on top, but they are Merc. Do not underestimate Merc until you hear Lewis complain that the car is crap.
'All in all I am really looking forward for the race to fill up the steps next to Max. And there is always the chance, that RB kinda topped out the concept and have a weaker or let's say "less dominant" season, to come back in 2025 and show us how open 2023 was. (Like Ferrari did, 2001 and 2003 where kinda open but 2002 and 2004.. not so much) I still think RB will get the title, but with less ease.
highly unlikely
With Oscar, maybe too early. But he’s incredibly talented.
With Lando, no.
well mclaren poached Rob Marshall from Red Bull, but i don't they will beat Red Bull
Who is here after redbull launch
TLDR , no
If there's one team I would like to beat the Red Bull/Mercedes duopoly it would be McLaren but I think there's quite some hype atm.
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Russia quite frankly was purely his own fault. Lord know it was a bit down to inexperience but I could not sympathize with him given the radio's with his engineer at that time.
Russia 2021 was well into Norris’ 3rd F1season. So I don’t let him off the hook due to inexperience. IMO, it was desperation for the first F1 GP win that led to Norris losing his composure over the radio and refusing to pit for inters. His conduct and choices at the back end of that race made me question at the time whether he has what it takes to be champ.
How he copes with Piastri is going to be so interesting to watch over the next couple of seasons.
First of all that is the worst scenario a F1 driver can have to lead the race and it starts raining 7 laps before the end. The crucial thing was mclarens incompetence. They said the rain wouldn't get worse and asked him if he wants to pit. Hamilton who had only things to win and didn't want to pit was ordered to do it. But apart from that sochi was in fact a brillant race from lando to be in that position with a far inferior car.
I don't think Mclaren can ever beat Redbull all the time, until 2026 even whenever Redbulls long lasting advantage courtesy of cheating the cost cap, like starting on the new car before the competition. If that runs out but it won't run out, because again Redbull cheated when they beated Hamilton, all the way through 2021 season and must of also lied, about when and how including how much time and money efforts they did spend.
LET MCLAREN COOK PLEASE
Damn y'all overrating McLaren a lot here....
F1 fans like fake hype
Not with Lando Norris, he’s not that guy and deep down you know it to be true.
Said it for years that the only one of the 2019 rookies that has a chance to be WDC is George.
He’s a great asset to McLaren, but he’s a bit overhyped.
We haven’t got enough evidence that he’s world championship material yet.
If he beat Russell, Leclerc, Hamilton, Verstappen or Alonso in the same car, I think I’d say definitively he can win a championship.
Piastri, great rookie season, but he’s not yet ready to compete for a title.
If Piastri raises his game in the upcoming seasons (which I’m confident he will) and Lando still beats him, then I think then we can say, yes he can win a championship.
I think Lando cracks under the pressure, at Qatar and Abu Dhabi he blew possible front row starts.
He is the guy. He wiped the floor with 18 drivers in the second half of the season while being the 4th youngest driver on the grid. The team principals saw him as the 3rd best driver of the season and the drivers as the 4th best.
@@thomas-wm4rz What a load of rubbish he had the second fastest car for half the season 😂
@@gameofender4463 2nd fastest car and still 2nd best driver by far means outperforming. And it was not the second fastest everywhere. Austin for example the race pace was thrid best and still he got his mandatory 2nd.
No they can not.
Ferrari and Mercedes have a better chance that McLaren, since they can build their car and engine / transmission for their particular concept whereas McLaren cannot. Remember McLaren could just about keep up with Ferrari and Mercedes when they both had seriously flawed cars last season
But you're forgetting one big fact and that is that Ferrari and Mercedes are going to change the concept (almost) entirely. Whilst McLaren are keeping the current wich worked in the second half of the season. So McLaren are a few steps further than Mercedes and Ferrari in terms of development. And having you're own engine doesn't mean you're faster than you're customers. Look for example at Aston Martin last season.
@@sthijs0Except Mercedes are apparently changing parts of gearbox (I believe). Which will affect the shape and size etc.
Which if true, keyword if, may require McLaren (and Williams and Aston) to change their designs to fit the new shape.
@@sthijs0Exactly. Ferrari where the only team to match the Redbull on raw pace in qualifying while having an inferior concept. McLaren were the duckling to Redbull's swan and where still getting out performed by Ferrari in qualifying and races.
McLaren's updated car was also not the most optimised. They said they still need to change 70% of it in order to make it driveable. It was a difficult car being very edgy and so did the other 2 teams. It wasn't a rocketship. Difference is McLaren were yet to unlock their current car's full potential and Ferrari and Mercedes had the wrong concept altogether.
@gameofender9663 The engines stay the same and mclaren produces their own gearbox.
me, who have been following Formula 1 sense the mid 1990is, i had a few fav team´s. but Ferrari or Merc never been any of them. them always been the ones i "hated". RedBull have been one of the team´s i have been cheering for. and for me, its "my time" to have "my" team to steam roll for a few years!! just like Ferrari did and Merc did. i dont want any other team being close to to winning now! it was a pain then Ferrari did it for 5-6 years and it was a super pain then Merc did it for 7 years.. now i want RB to do steam roll for 10 years so i can get back all the years i lost then Ferrari and Merc was winning.
But will McLaren beat Red Bull? they might beat RB then it comes to the car, but as long Max have fun, no Max will take RB to victory. but with that said, McLaren surely will have a good car but the drivers i dont think are there yet. they are not Max material as long Max is giving it all. and not giving anything away.
f1 is cyclical , hate is not a good word , Ferrari did an awesome in 2000s just like Mercedes did in 2014 to 2020 , Mclaren could be a challenger but the fact they are a customer team could prevent their title fight.
The answer is no. Click bait
If Lewis was in the other seat instead of Lando, yeah they surely could. Lando just fumbles it whenever he sees Max in his side mirrors and just yields as quickly as possible and this is coming from a Lando fan. I hope Lando figures it out because his potential is top tier.
You're really a lando fan? You've seen 2021 where he cooked against max, Hamilton and perez all the time? And this last half of the season he had more or less only max to fight with but the gap was too big. You really think something would have happened if he fought for 4 laps instead of 3 against Max in COTA or that clinging longer onto max in Sao Paulo would have caused something? He extracted the maximum.
I love how overhyped McLaren is . The new car they put out at the start of 2023 was a frankenstein car of 2022 because they couldny get things done in time . Whereas Ferrari and Merc got it not bang on but okaish from race 1 onwards . This is not a strength but rather a weakness . Towards the end of the season they were not as fast as Ferrari . I am an Oscar Piastri fan , but McLaren is very very overhyped . ThEy WiLl FiGhT fOr P2 , yea let's see about that .
Shut up don’t ruin it for us Ferrari fans let the team we support do that for us if the car is fighting for 4 places in the middle field I am going to lose my mind
No they have copied redbull with the Mercedes power unit it will only hinder them
Racing bulls are the only team that can copy redbull.
That's true,you can copy but the copied car would be always ahead in therm of development, pink Mercedes IE
Can they? Absolutely! Will it happen this year? Absolutely not 🥲
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