An inside look at 45Drives' Storage Lab
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- Thanks to 45Drives for having us out for their 2023 Creators' Summit!
Some of the things mentioned in this video:
- 45Drives: www.45drives.com
- HL15 Homelab server: 45homelab.com
- Jeff's Pigeon vs Internet video: • A homing pigeon is fas...
- TechnoTim's video: • NEW 45 HomeLab HL15 at...
- Wendell's video: • 45drives Visit: ZFS, S...
- 45Drives Creators' Summit livestream: ua-cam.com/users/live964Py2UWfaE
- 45Drives 3.5 to 2.5 3D Printable design: www.printables.com/model/5835...
- NetworkChuck's Ceph cluster setup: • My SECRET Server Room ...
- Seagate video on HAMR and other tech: • Seagate | "Just" a Har...
- Video of opening a Helium HDD: • Opening 10TB Seagate H...
- Who Framed Roger Rabbit - The Dip: • The Dip - Who Framed R...
- Sampson Boat Co - Restoring Tally Ho: / @sampsonboatco
Special thanks to 45Drives for providing some of the video clips, photographs, and drone footage used in this video.
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Contents:
00:00 - Travel and meeting other homelabbers
01:40 - Touring the storage lab
04:54 - Tech talks (plus a bonus PCMCIA hard drive!)
05:52 - Protocase factory tour
08:02 - Sailing, Sydney, and a tiny drop of Hot Ones
10:59 - Hard drive tech: HAMR and Helium - Наука та технологія
This is like my dream team for my fantasy home lab league.
We talked about how we'd love to see a good homelab track at some conference. We were originally thinking maybe LTX next year but that's not happening, so now we're thinking maybe some other conference. Would be cool to do that and involve people virtually too since it's hard to meet in person!
@@JeffGeerlingWould love to see teams of home labbers compete, like what is common in info sec spheres. Would be good fun
@@JeffGeerling Collabs from you guys would be great Jeff! Though I get that geography is a hindrance, virtually would still be sweet!
@@JeffGeerling why not at LTT?
@@friedrich1277 They decided to not have LTX next year :(
I think I feel something, a slight tingle in my fingers! Jokes aside, it was awesome getting to meet and hang out with all of you!
The Sydney airport didn't always suck. They used to have a couple more flights a day, but COVID killed it. Glad you enjoyed it, though! I have family in Cape Breton, and it really is a beautiful spot.
Lockdowns killed it - not Covid.
@@infamouse9149 You tube hid your comment unless you search by newest
Hey! That fog in the plane is completely normal, it's just a byproduct of the AC systems on the plane. Just moisture from outside air.
That external drive box really looks like this thing: Icy Box IB-3740-C31. Love the videos and the cool content!
It looks like it's a very similar item, but this Mediasonic unit has the actual branding "PROBOX" with the logo, as seen in the video: Mediasonic-SATA-Hard-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B078YQHWYW
I wouldn’t recommend Icy Box to anyone. Poor quality and nonexistent customer care
@@oblitafier I have Icy Box from 2016 and only service needed was fan replacement. But I'm using it only as USB3 disk double drive with SW raid.
Wendle loves his IcyDocks 😅 👍🏽
That 2U SSD chassis is pretty crazy, love the hotswap "toaster" action
Glad you had an amazing experience up here in Nova Scotia! I moved to Halifax from the US about 5 years ago and I absolutely love it. Like you said, the people are super friendly and the scenery is gorgeous. Hope you decide to come back for a vacation some time! There's so much more to the province to experience and enjoy!
When my kid was still on a USCG cutter, Halifax was his favorite port call! The people, the sights, and especially the food! 🇨🇦✌️😎
@@gus473 Come visit! 😄 (We have a ton of yummy food up here! 😋)
No, thank you for actually taking the time to write these subtitles!
And thank you also for writing a comment! :)
the drive bay Wendel brought out is a Mediasonic Probox. it's a decent little external enclosure.
I've got one of those. It's probably not the same model. But it's definitely handy to have.
Jeff, you can always neutralize the burning in your mouth with a piece of bannana, or a small sip of milk. Takes the pain way. Looks like you had lots of fun. All those wonderful toys where does he get them. 45Drives of course.
And THERE the video was 🤩! Thank you for a great inside-look.
Jeff, you’ve convinced me. I need a shark suit!
I don't recommend it for painting, except maybe if you can find one with a larger mouth/viewing window :)
What an awesome trip! Thank you for taking us all along :)
That ending shot was pretty great.
Sounds like a nice trip. Maybe I'll start a channel of my own and join you next time. The scenery reminds me of my home town, Trondheim. I have to agree the 45 HL is a bit expensive, but if you consider that it is probably a once in a lifetime purchase... but then again you can get 2x 8 bay servers for like 240 euros... if you have the space. Blame CANADA!
In regards to that noisy server you mentioned, it's pretty typical for the fans to run at 100% when the lid to a server is off. If you only saw the unit opened up it may be the case that it is much quieter during normal operations.
Sometimes-but not in this case! 2U is dense, with 2 EPYC CPUs (wow so many caps...), and they just throw those things to 100% to make sure even if you load it up with NVMe storage, it won't have any thermal issues.
Fantastic video, Jeff. Really enjoyed this one. Very interesting!
I had the pleasure of recently spec’ing and configuring a pair of custom 45drives servers for a video production team that produced several hundred deliverables each year. It was a ~80TiB Stornado for active projects, and a ~280 TiB Storinator for snapshot backups and archival.
The whole process of ordering and getting them configured was a breeze, but with a price tag of $55k, I’d hope so. The 3-2-1 backup strategy included nightly backups to Backblaze’s B2 cloud, keeping 100% of the data on 45drives/Backblaze/Protocase hardware. One of the Seagate HDDs started to fail, and 45drives had a replacement shipped and RMA processed extremely fast.
For anyone looking for reliable data storage with an appropriate budget I’d highly recommend these solutions. Gained a lot of respect for 45drives after my experience as a customer, and love seeing a little bit more behind the curtain.
GREAT VIDEO! So many great Canadian products in this video (45Drives, Timmies coffee, the Broil King BBQ and StarTech data rack....). Looks like you had some fun! You're welcome back any time!
I love that they make their cockpit addons freely available. I always put cockpit on my home servers when I set up a new one, and I always use a couple of 45drives addons. Good job guys.. 👍
I have been looking for a case for my homelab for a while now. I was looking at the RSV-L4412U 4U Server Chassis, then I saw the HL15! That thing is super cool, but it is soooo expensive, 700 bucks just for a chassis and back plane. 😢
I'm glad to hear that it wasn't just me that got introduced to sailing due to the Tally Ho restoration. I grew up near Hillsboro illinois, and then a short time near Bern Switzerland, so I really had no chance to be introduced to sailing living such an land-locked life. haha
Fantastic video Other Jeff!
Nice trip. Looks like your painting your studio Taboo.
You flew right over my house. I'm where the flight path crosses from Canada into USA at the St-Lawrence
Sydney Nova Scotia is beauty. Glad you enjoyed your trip!
Your Welcome for reading the subtitles. I love them, you hide little Easter eggs in them.
Wow, what a blast you had. Combining tech with sailing is my perfect vacation. Cat's are so fun to sail and just being on the water. Thanks for sharing.
Seeing stuff like this is always really cool, but I always have to remind myself - "I don't need a high-end server, I barely use 8 CPU cores and six SATA ports."
I can see myself in the datacenter, dropping ssd under the racks with this ssd toaster mechanism.
The other term is "SSD launcher" :D
The HL15 looks cool for small businesses or mostly cloud-based companies. It's funny that you think it's for "Home Labs," and $2k for a system for business is a great price. It's nice to see more North American manufacturing.
Yeah I think (other) Jeff had mentioned this is a great box for SMB (or high end homelabbing), and it would be cool to find a 6-or-8-bay unit that is desktop (or maybe rackmount ear compatible) for true homelabbing, with an integrated tiny PC (like an N100 CPU or something along those lines). Maybe target 2.5 Gbps with a 10 Gbps upgrade option.
Hey Jeff, glad you enjoyed Gods Country! I grew up in Glace Bay 20 minutes from Sydney and yes I agree the airport has gone all down hill over the years. I think the only reason it is still open is to fly people back and forth to the Oil Patch in Alberta. I actually had a tour through the working steel plant before it closed in the 90s., was pretty cool. Anyway, keep up the cool content. Cheers
2:48 literally at the start of this video i said "man i wish 45 drives had a 2U tool-free 2.5 inch front access server to replace my old Dell C2100 from like 2009, and with a focus on 7-9mm SSDs instead of 15mm HDDs you could probably go from 24, to 36-48 SSDs in that 1U form factor.
I wish someone like Silverstone would take their 3x5.25 to 5x3.5 tool-free cage, and slap 3 of those into a shallow depth server chassis for an MATX or even ITX board.
Also, instead of 4xSATA i'd like a miniSAS connector like my ICYDOCK 5.25 to 24x2.5 cage
The crazy thing about that chassis is you can get full bandwidth from every single one of those drives as NVMe/SAS/SATA, so there's a good reason they slap two massive AMD EPYC CPUs inside... it needs ALL the PCIe :D
Crazy to see Brett at 3:25. Last I saw him in a video was from LTT's "INSTALLING THE PETABYTE" from 6 years ago
The trip sounds amazing! Great companies to visit, great company to have, and a ton of fun activities. I'm very jealous.
Another great video! I enjoy your content so much.
It's been more decades than I care to admit, but this makes me want to go back! Thanks, for sharing!
You and me both, I can't wait for that HL15 to come out.
Should be available for final orders today! Hopefully shipping starts soon too!
This was a very relaxing video. Thanks Jeff! :)
Like your video's Jeff! It's interessting, non-nonses, interresting side talk and facts. thank you very much!
Wonderful video. Very enjoyable to watch and see you all at 45Drives.
Good looking group. Kudos to 45 Drives. That’s how you sell your brand!
This is an awesome video. Thanks for sharing.
Love these vlogs!
That little enclosure looks like a mediasonic probox. Best-in-class for "I need a stupid amount of storage for my startup and the founder's credit card is almost maxxed out already". (At peak I had 7 of them with 4x16T drives each, linux software raid, and a goofy overlayfs thing on top - great for *accumulating* data that you do batch ops on, rather than database ops, and where you don't care *too* much if you lose some of it, and you can afford the downtime (and admin time) to occasionally rebuild them.) The early ones were usb+eSATA (and ran into bus-endpoint-count limits) newer ones fixed that. If you want a homebrew JBOD, and if you would pick "two or three more drives instead of a UPS, local power is *fine*" then this is the box for you :-)
Excellent video!!!!!
Loved the "thanks for reading these subtitles"
Jeff is wearing an inflatable shark costume when painting the walls of his studio? oO Anyway, greetings from my age-old home server based on an ancient Chenbro RM214 case.
I believe that DAS was a: Mediasonic 4 Bay 3.5" SATA Hard Drive Enclosure - USB 3.2 Gen 2 10Gbps | USB Type C USB-C (HF7-SU31C) looks like something fun to test with NUC Setups
Phew, whenever I go two weeks without seeing a video from you I get worried about your health. That looked like a fun hang on someone else's dime (the best kind of fun hangs).
Heh, don't worry, it's just been crazy busy lately (two trips this month, plus trying to reach the finish line on the new office build!). I'm letting my video release schedule relax a little bit for my own sanity :)
@@JeffGeerlingSanity is overrated. At least that is what I'm telling my psychologist 😜
Take care of you health, both physically and mentally, first. We rather get fewer videos per month and still getting them for decades.
@@henrik.norberg Exactly! If it's not sustainable, it's not fun. I like to have fun while also putting in hard work (otherwise it's not sustainable), and have a good work/life balance so my kids can all grow up to their full potential too!
@@JeffGeerling In my experience, when it takes energy and not gives energy, in the long term, it is time to reevaluate and take a break.
*rapidly searches for 45 Drive's Home Lab offerings* yep, I need it
Impressive!
Tks for this movie JG ... I use 45 drives for quite a while. They are really professionals in what they do !! Regret that my market is not that big in order that I can sell more.
We have a couple of their original Backblaze-branded storage pods and they have been running nonstop for years. Definitely quality.
that was sick!
The condensation is due to the temperature-differenntial between the airplane inside and outside, nothing to worry about
5:22 lol, I had this round HDD like 17-20 years ago, which was taken away at some point.. Couldn't even remember the make and model until now.
It was so weird to feel it spin when plugged in while it was looking like an odd shaped flash drive and not much bigger.
Only 3600rpm, but performance was good for the time, and surprisingly durable for HDD.
Great video. Interesting to note all those I sub to were at the visit.
Sidenote: these guys really do need to have a line where costs are cut right down, known to have cheaper materials, nothing flash and just works, so more homelab people will jump onto their products. At this point I'd still push people into the 2nd hand server market, supermicro shelves etc.
What a cool trip thank you for sharing.
That's what I love about headphones and IEMs! ~Frank
that DAS is the Icy Box IB-3640SU3. I used to use them, they're good, thought he supplied PSU is junk and it's a custom connector so I don't think you can get a good replacement for it
The college i study at actually has a course on programming automated sailing (a model boat)
I so really want one off does HL15 but that price is killing me.
I picked up a 8 bay rosewill 4u case off Craigslist for FREE about 10 years ago. I'm still using it. It has terrible sleds, and all 8 drives are accessible from the inside. If I could justify a new case, and made better money, the HL15 does seem like a good value.
That Storinator junior looks cute as hell.
Wow! Jeff is moving up in the world!
Beautiful, so many familiar faces 🎉🎉🎉😮
Feels like deja vu I swore I watched a video where you showed all this. Man that looked fun ty for posting and sharing means a lot. Be so cool hang out with everyone
The Raid Enclosure that Wendell showed was MediaSonic. I have one myself. They also make an 8-bay enclosure as well. Still needs a server but is a cheap solution. Comes in USB C and 3.0 USB A variants.
I have a mighty need for one of them smol storinator's :D
ohhhhh, the smolinator! :D
such a nice facility.
although the guy Poor guy spray painting is using a particulate filter mask without any organic vapor protection, so the vapor soaks into the filtering material and actually makes it more concentrated vapor
You could have used your lost day to visit either the Alexander Graham Bell Museum (Badeck, NS - 1 hour away) or Louisbourg (even closer).
Definitely! I was considering the museum, or a short hike around one of the trails, but elected to catch up on sleep instead... good to do that every now and then! Then I took a walk around the docks and had a nice relaxing meal.
@@JeffGeerling Too bad. An afternoon in that museum and you'd have made a video about it. Maybe drag your dad there some day!
i can't wait for orders to go live! i have my deposit in and am #32 in line!
I have been putting together a homelab specifically for developing video game related tech and included in the build is a TrueNAS VM with a bunch a drives connected. The thing is, all my drives are either SSDs or NVME M.2 drives. In looking around for a drive enclosure, it seems like the combination of SSDs and drive enclosures hasn't really come together yet. You seem to be either left to buying a full enterprise level 2U rack enclosure, where you will get the appropriately sized drive slots for SSDs, but also the whole rest of the enclosure for nothing I need, or you are left with more generic NAS enclosures that are much smaller than a 2U rack case and cheaper than a 2U rack case, but you are still left mounting your small SSDs in the space built to house a whole rust HD. The 8 - 12 drive JBOD box, for SSDs, I am looking for would be more the size of a standard ATX power supply case. One of these mini PC manufacturers need to expand their lineup to a mini NAS enclosure, that has both a mini PC and the drive bays and backplane that are sized specifically for SSDs and even better, NVMe M.2 disks. If they had onboard video, they could expose all the PCIe lanes to a daughter board/ backplane full of the maximum number of M.s sockets the CPU could handle, all in a teeny tiny case that could sit on your desk, and you would even notice it.. That would be incredible!
45Drives could offer _Cloud Storage_ , each mosquito in the CLOUD OF BUGS in the Taiga stores 1 bit, and they have like 200PB free :P.
Great video Jeff, thanks for covering both sides of it (I dont remember Wendell covering the yacht trip, maybe he did but I can't remember, regardless...) I just left a glowing review for Synology over on This Does not Compute, but after seeing how cool 45 drives is, I will check out their line up to see if they have any offerings that are right for me. Thanks!
haha I just watched his Synology video too!
Storinator Jr isnt for sale? :(
I have told them, I would like to see it for sale; maybe even a mini ITX version that could be even more flexible!
As a tech that works on Packsize machines I was ecstatic to see a surprise EM7 featured in the video
That fog on the airplane seems to be Airbus thing. I've seen it too.
I'm putting this on my home lab wish list!
About the hot sauces, there was a former NYC policeman/retired NYC fireman who moved to Columbia, South Carolina, for his retirement. He had a hot dog mobile trailer that he set up across the street from the Richland County Library. His toppings were named after the NYC boroughs. His Bronx salsa, depending upon how much he had been drinking, could be mouth numbing hot, as if you got novocaine at the dentist.
As expensive as the HL15 is I still really want one. Waiting for someone to get one and do an in depth review since I just want the chassis + back plane but knowing it's going to be available I've changed my whole Nas upgrade plan.
When I see these massive drive clusters, I can only think of one word: Backup?
Everyone needs their own solution; but in the case of Ceph, most companies that do it _right_ seem to have a primary cluster, and either on onsite or offsite secondary cluster (or just array that's large enough to house a replica, Ceph or not), and then a third backup that's either tape drives and rotated out to another location, or something in the cloud (e.g. Amazon Glacier).
This is the definition of edutainment!
I follow all of these UA-camrs AND the Tally Ho ship build so this video was a bit of an 'when worlds collide' moment for me.
Hope you hired the right shark to do your painting :)
"red shirt jeff graphics"
say it quickly 10 times in a row
Love seeing you succeed fellow crohns warrior. Love your videos and hope the crohns demon is behaving.
I'm pretty sure that DAS that Wendell had is a Mediasonic USB 3.2 4 Bay 3.5” SATA Hard Drive Enclosure. I got one a couple weeks ago from Amazon for $118.
5:30 Oh! I have that EXACT thing connected to my PC! Mine's IcyBox branded and probably an older model because it's got a 5G USB3 Type B and e-SATA plug on the back.
My model is the ICY BOX IB-RD3640SU3
The model with the 10G USB-C port is called the IB-3740-C31
Damn, you were in Canada and i didn't get to meet up with you or anyone !! BAH ! Good video Jeff
Next time! :)
5:36 I'm not sure exactly which box this is but it looks a lot like my Icy Box IB-3620U3 The branding on the front looks different though, maybe a Sharkoon? I indeed use it with a NUC to add storage. The downside is that the Icy Box can be a bit finicky with disks spinning up and being available for the bios somehow. But that can also be due to the fact that my drivers spin up super slow and the bios ain't have no time for that. This is only when I completely remove power from everything though and have a fresh startup, otherwise it works well.
the sailing boat that is why i love sailing the only things you hear is the water & the sail it is so quiet
Gracias 👋👋👋👍
So hard hearing PCMCIA HD being called Retro Tech... That was back during the Wifi 802.11B generations.. for my first laptop in 2001, with the laptop being a 1999 model, i got my first wifi router Cisco Netgear, the blue ones that everyone had, lol... and got a wifi PCMCIA card and it took me a bit of learning how to get Wifi to work as i'd never used wifi before that... and holy crap, i was amazed when I got it working... Had to search for documents on how to setup WEP (at the time std), and things.... and I was so amazed that I could browse the internet from my couch with no long Cat5 cable running from my office router.... Holy crap tech has come a long way fast!!!!
I still have my old PowerBook 3400c. For a short span of time, PCMCIA ruled! I had adapters for CompactFlash, a 10baseT Ethernet adapter, one of those modems where you just pop out a spring-loaded phone jack... I never bought one but really wanted to upgrade to WiFi with one of those giant cards with an external antenna!
@@JeffGeerling hahaha, yes!! I loved the PCMCIA slots for that... had adapers for wifi, network, and i had a compact flash drive too.... And when the second std came out and it was just a little smaller, so new cards were smaller and had to get a converter adapter to slide in first, then the new cards slide in it.
But yeah, the wifi one had an internal adapter, was a netgear one that just slide in. and laptops all had the phone jack, heck, even when i started at my current company back in 2007, when I would work on a laptop, we had a corprate Dialup internett plan for all traveling because wifi was only in speratic places and hotels were JUST starting to do wifi, or had an ethernet jack at each room you plugged into, but if not, we had a dialup plan.... hard to think it was going away, but still a usable option only 16 or so years ago...
@@JeffGeerling I had a PB 3400c as well and it had the best audio of any laptop I've had until I got an M1 Mac Book Pro.
@@zoopercoolguy The 3400c was the ultimate pre-G3 laptop Apple made. It's a bit of a chonker nowadays, but it was like the ultimate end to the 180 and 190 that I used before it!
@@JeffGeerling Totally. I had a PB 170 prior to the 3400c. I especially loved the 3400's modularity. I had a hard drive module and a 110V/12V power supply module for charging in the car.
That looks like frontier flying at it's best.
Would be cool to see a video on the 45Drives software on the HL15 - I’ve always wondered what Houston etc is like
I believe Lawrence Systems has a good overview video. I may do something similar at some point in the future, but right now I'm just focused on finishing my new office/studio buildout!
OMG that micro storinator!
Wish the storinator Jr was actually something you can buy
aaaa Wireshark picking up some paint :D
NEW JEFF GEERLING VIDEO WOOOOOOOOOOOO
First thing comes to mind is involving the PCIe port with a raid controller or 2.
It is nice to see things like this happening in Cape Breton as it is an amazing place. I think I would have just done the 5 hour drive back to Halifax it is a beautiful drive.
We considered it! But the rental cars were all out that day too :(