They need to make it worth it for making us wait so long! We need a proper menacing back hand glaive. Legit, I'd be happy with a transmog like the Valeera Demon Hunter skin from Heroes of the Storm. If yall haven't seen it, GOOGLE IT! The weapons and all color variations slapppppp!
I think two things have brought DH down over the years. We complained about 2 things, we wanted a more bursty profile instead of the high consistent dmg we had for so long and we wanted mover talents to be impactful again. We got what we asked for and we're worse off for it in both cases imo. Now we have these super powerful burst windows that revolve around multiple movement buttons and other damage amps that leave us doing tank dmg outside of those windows. You argue that chaotic transformation is the problem with our openers and burst windows but its just as easy to take all the forced movement globals out and in my opinion its cooler to eyebeam twice than fel rush for 18% more dmg for 5 seconds. I liked this series, although i would change things in different ways than you would I thought you really highlighted the problems in all the trees and liked your idea of adding a third spec to seperate some of the havoc themes to easier build around them in interesting ways, especially since the community is so split on mover/nonmover.
@@Flavetheson that would certainly help solve the length issue, although still slightly less as fel rush is only half a global, but another big problem with CTr is the desynch it causes with EssB, and the fact that it means we HAVE to synch eyebeam and meta. But yes, tons of ways to fix problems. Glad you enjoyed it!
Alas not sure they even watch those so interesting videos at Blizzard ... However we are currently sooo lost at the bottom of the food chain that maybe it means there is a rework ongoing ... maybe ...
Hey man. Here we are again... It is insane that Aldrachi made it out of beta the way it is. What is even more insane is nothing has been done about it so many months into the season
One thing I never understood about aldrachi is why they didn't make it so chaos strike then blade dance, or fracture then soul cleave didn't make reavers mark apply in aoe for 1 stack (7%) . It wouldn't instantly fix the tree, but it would make it feel way less shit in aoe imo. Just got to voodoos idea, reavers being a self buff would be sick too
Feels great to have a 2min burst window that takes 18 -20 sec until you have finished it while your Retribution Paladin friend just starts his 2nd burst window right as you finish yours and then u check the dmg meter and you are still behind. XD Think i'm actually about to check out from WoW entirely because Havoc was the only class i really enjoyed playing ever since it's introduction in Legion. And it's only really gone downhill from there in my opinion. I would like to see Demon Hunter's getting a 3rd spec, a fel caster specialization i think should be kind of an obvious spec to have, i mean, Gul'dan was a caster himself and was a fel user although a warlock by nature..
I came late to the party, didnt play DH in its glory days. Fell in love my first time S4 of DF, and this expac makes it so frustrating and overly complicated/awkward, but im a die-hard fan so I still play it as my main. I sincerely hope we get a rework and ill play this until I die regardless. For the Illidari!
Nice video, glad to hear your thoughts and ideas. Hopefully we'll get #anychanges soon. I'd love to see some customization or visual updates to the class the fel fart isnt really doing it for me and the purple boomerang is just sad.
I accidentally started maining a survival hunter, player my hunter once, tried survival, made it a dragon, so now I have double jump and glide...Yeah im sold for now haha
I dont know man, i love my Havoc. I dont really care what they do with it, they can nerf it to the ground, but I will still run around and shoot lasers from my eyes. Thats why it is called MAIN.
@@joeyl564 because of the decision that eyebeam already in demon form doesn’t give you more demonsurges, and all the “outside of demon form” nodes, SD is actually pretty horrible for fel-scarred. Cycle is alright, but you still miss out on demon surges each meta
@VooDooSaurus yeah i know, thats why im saying that they feel backwards.. like you'd think for fel-scarred youd want to be in Demon form more often.. and for Aldrachi being in demon for would be less important, and would favor a momentum build.. or saving inertia for the giga glaive..
I hate how DH feels. The Hero Trees are either complete garbage Aldrachi Reaver or ok Fel-Scarred. Tier bonus from Amirdrassil The part that your Blade Dance would throw a Glaive needs to come back it made the spec feel better. DH needs worked on again the rework was great but it is the Tier set bonuses that made both specs work when we lost those tier set bonuses the rework fell apart cause the tier held the rework together. Like I love Havoc but right now I can't bring myself to play it. Havoc just isn't fun.
@@xacid480 it’s not used often *rotationally* for Aldrachi reaver. It existing for a very strong dr in incredibly high keys that you need to SAVE for those moments means you use it even less often
just make aldrachi reaver about glaive tempest / throw glaive. Maybe use the tierset from dragonflight i dont know. The whole consume souls thing is just weird. Let me just throw a huge bouncing glaive every 15 or something.
I think involving glaive tempest is a great idea, not sure why it's fallen out of favour so much. I always thought it was a fun button to push, I think it was a casualty of added movement to the rotation.
@@Flavetheson right now it’s a casualty of the tierset wanting us to push chaos strike so much, and it’s lack of synergy with fel scarred making it to where we don’t push it for large lengths of time It also just hasn’t received tuning in a while when other abilities around it have been buffed up
@@VooDooSaurus I meant more from a design standpoint, it feels like an iconic DH ability that you could build around in the tree but instead feels like an afterthought that rarely makes it into builds. It seems like a no brainer to have it more involved in builds that take the throw glaive talents.
Imagine being the class with the fewest hero talent trees, and not even one works properly…😂
We're getting a rework, new spec, and legendary in midnight once we see Papa Illidan again.
@@sioc7478 I think illidan isn’t back until the last titan unfortunately
@@VooDooSaurus then we are getting the rework after two expansions XD
May God give power to your words!
I agree with you but I think itll be based on the void/Alleria and we will not see Illidan again until the Titans return in TLT
They need to make it worth it for making us wait so long! We need a proper menacing back hand glaive. Legit, I'd be happy with a transmog like the Valeera Demon Hunter skin from Heroes of the Storm. If yall haven't seen it, GOOGLE IT! The weapons and all color variations slapppppp!
I think two things have brought DH down over the years. We complained about 2 things, we wanted a more bursty profile instead of the high consistent dmg we had for so long and we wanted mover talents to be impactful again.
We got what we asked for and we're worse off for it in both cases imo. Now we have these super powerful burst windows that revolve around multiple movement buttons and other damage amps that leave us doing tank dmg outside of those windows.
You argue that chaotic transformation is the problem with our openers and burst windows but its just as easy to take all the forced movement globals out and in my opinion its cooler to eyebeam twice than fel rush for 18% more dmg for 5 seconds.
I liked this series, although i would change things in different ways than you would I thought you really highlighted the problems in all the trees and liked your idea of adding a third spec to seperate some of the havoc themes to easier build around them in interesting ways, especially since the community is so split on mover/nonmover.
@@Flavetheson that would certainly help solve the length issue, although still slightly less as fel rush is only half a global, but another big problem with CTr is the desynch it causes with EssB, and the fact that it means we HAVE to synch eyebeam and meta. But yes, tons of ways to fix problems.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The fact that we have talent that reduces threat says it all about what blizz thinks about havoc. Might aswell just remove whole spec from game.
Bit dramatic
Alas not sure they even watch those so interesting videos at Blizzard ... However we are currently sooo lost at the bottom of the food chain that maybe it means there is a rework ongoing ... maybe ...
im hoping
Hey man. Here we are again... It is insane that Aldrachi made it out of beta the way it is. What is even more insane is nothing has been done about it so many months into the season
One thing I never understood about aldrachi is why they didn't make it so chaos strike then blade dance, or fracture then soul cleave didn't make reavers mark apply in aoe for 1 stack (7%) . It wouldn't instantly fix the tree, but it would make it feel way less shit in aoe imo.
Just got to voodoos idea, reavers being a self buff would be sick too
Feels great to have a 2min burst window that takes 18 -20 sec until you have finished it while your Retribution Paladin friend just starts his 2nd burst window right as you finish yours and then u check the dmg meter and you are still behind. XD
Think i'm actually about to check out from WoW entirely because Havoc was the only class i really enjoyed playing ever since it's introduction in Legion.
And it's only really gone downhill from there in my opinion.
I would like to see Demon Hunter's getting a 3rd spec, a fel caster specialization i think should be kind of an obvious spec to have, i mean, Gul'dan was a caster himself and was a fel user although a warlock by nature..
a ranged dh spec would be destro lock. I dont think we need a 3rd spec. Im ok with a solid havoc+aldrachi reaver rework
I came late to the party, didnt play DH in its glory days. Fell in love my first time S4 of DF, and this expac makes it so frustrating and overly complicated/awkward, but im a die-hard fan so I still play it as my main. I sincerely hope we get a rework and ill play this until I die regardless. For the Illidari!
Nice video, glad to hear your thoughts and ideas. Hopefully we'll get #anychanges soon. I'd love to see some customization or visual updates to the class the fel fart isnt really doing it for me and the purple boomerang is just sad.
Havoc was my first end game spec and i miss it... But the gameplay and class design keep me away, praying for a meaningful (and good) rework
Made sure to add a like for ya, I'm typically lazy about that even when i really enjoy vids
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I accidentally started maining a survival hunter, player my hunter once, tried survival, made it a dragon, so now I have double jump and glide...Yeah im sold for now haha
@@MrDmension3d almost the same thing at this point, but with dev attention
I dont know man, i love my Havoc. I dont really care what they do with it, they can nerf it to the ground, but I will still run around and shoot lasers from my eyes.
Thats why it is called MAIN.
Damn! Seeing these reviews really makes me realise how bad things are
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i think that our builds for each Hero talents are backwards.. youd think that SD and Cycle would be better for Fel-Scarred..
@@joeyl564 because of the decision that eyebeam already in demon form doesn’t give you more demonsurges, and all the “outside of demon form” nodes, SD is actually pretty horrible for fel-scarred. Cycle is alright, but you still miss out on demon surges each meta
@VooDooSaurus yeah i know, thats why im saying that they feel backwards.. like you'd think for fel-scarred youd want to be in Demon form more often.. and for Aldrachi being in demon for would be less important, and would favor a momentum build.. or saving inertia for the giga glaive..
I hate how DH feels. The Hero Trees are either complete garbage Aldrachi Reaver or ok Fel-Scarred. Tier bonus from Amirdrassil The part that your Blade Dance would throw a Glaive needs to come back it made the spec feel better. DH needs worked on again the rework was great but it is the Tier set bonuses that made both specs work when we lost those tier set bonuses the rework fell apart cause the tier held the rework together. Like I love Havoc but right now I can't bring myself to play it. Havoc just isn't fun.
You say that felblade isn't used often for Aldrachi Reaver but then praise the use of taking the DR talent...
@@xacid480 it’s not used often *rotationally* for Aldrachi reaver. It existing for a very strong dr in incredibly high keys that you need to SAVE for those moments means you use it even less often
just make aldrachi reaver about glaive tempest / throw glaive. Maybe use the tierset from dragonflight i dont know. The whole consume souls thing is just weird. Let me just throw a huge bouncing glaive every 15 or something.
I think involving glaive tempest is a great idea, not sure why it's fallen out of favour so much. I always thought it was a fun button to push, I think it was a casualty of added movement to the rotation.
@@Flavetheson right now it’s a casualty of the tierset wanting us to push chaos strike so much, and it’s lack of synergy with fel scarred making it to where we don’t push it for large lengths of time
It also just hasn’t received tuning in a while when other abilities around it have been buffed up
@@VooDooSaurus I meant more from a design standpoint, it feels like an iconic DH ability that you could build around in the tree but instead feels like an afterthought that rarely makes it into builds. It seems like a no brainer to have it more involved in builds that take the throw glaive talents.
Free fiesta. thumbs down for Realz.
@@beepy409 I have 0 impact on either of those people 💀 I’m not a mod and I have no contact with Realz
bro all your content is just explaining everything wrong with the class/specs, which i get, DH creators are pretty starved for things to talk about rn