I have used my little 3 prong cook stove for 3 years now, hard use, I am in the weeds and woods every chance I get. I am not particularly careful with my set up and yet, it has held up brilliantly. I did try one of the cheaper versions before I found the Scout...I loved the bargain one, but I killed it in the first season...whereas this economy scout has held up year after year, burns better, is more stable, and burns anything you put in it from dried animal pooh to thorny crap I had to use in the desert. Also, I went out with a bunch of people and it suddenly became monsoon central, I kept this little stove going, and used the coals to keep the main fire going. This stove is brilliant and I would never go back to hauling fuel and rationing it so I won't run out. Want a warm trail bath? No problem, just keep heating water... No worries that we will run out of sticks. ❤️😁 Love this stove more than I can explain!
It smokes a bit but works a treat super fast. Great for keeping Midges away. For a cleaner burn i put two small lumps of coal under the tinder more heat and less smoke . I love this bit of kit.
After finding a review from Blue Mountain Bushcraft and Outdoors, interest as it does, sends you in search of as many videos as needed to make a informative Choice which in this case was easy ,seeing everyone was 100% positive, but I'm glad to have found this video, it's fully sold me on not just the standard of the product, but also given a tiny insight to the 110% commitment and Character of its Producer. 2 Scouts for the kids and most definitely just the start. Thanks .
Well, this set-up is definitely on my list of things, "Soon to Purchase..." I do a lot of canoe-tripping in the BWCA area of Minnesota (in fact, i just returned from a 2 week trip), and prefer twig stoves over carrying liquid fuels. As it happens, I am actually in the market for newer / better gear and appreciate the chamber dimensions of your Scout Stove over the Solo Stove. As a [formerly active] ANGLICO Marine, I am thinking that we may have had some mutual acquaintances. Unfortunately, the only name that comes to mind - at the moment, and after all these years - is a Ken Edgel; a pretty big guy, aka, The Thumper. He would've been over in Force about the same time as you - what a colorful character he was....
My barracks at 2nd Force Recon housed Anglico next doors, great guys. Serving with Force Recon and Naval Special Warfare, the crappy issued heat tab stoves sparked my interest for a better designed field stove and cookware. Semper Fi / Hooyah. (long time ago, different body) SilverFire
Todd Albi, Sure, French Creek; we were just on the other side of the yard. If you were still there in early 80's, you would've known my old 1st Sgt., Jim Lewis. After a tour with an Arty unit on Oki, he came to 2nd Force - in his 30's, and as a "leg." Great Marine, though - one of those guys who was always deep selected. The cool thing about those units was the connectedness; I'm still in contact with my old buddies, and my CO. As a side-note, General Dunford, Chairman Joint Chiefs, was our Ops Officer. Regarding those heat tabs... I never bothered. A few LFR's to stabilize my canteen cup and some twigs and I was good to go. Semper Fi.
Good question. Yes. Although all these fuels can be combusted in the stove, coal and charcoal burn hotter at the grate. We endorse neither fuel, due to higher temperatures that result in premature failure of stove metals and the higher levels of methane and carbon monoxide pollution produced burning coal or charcoal. If your outcome desired is longer duration of burn, dense hardwoods or pellets are better fuel options and will result in a longer stove life. Regards SilverFire
I have the biggest stars and it's great. Hope to get the pot next. Great customer service to. But you should have your link at the bottom of this video.
Typical of knockoff technology and folks not doing their homework (premature product failure life) due to inadequate or single clad design. Our Mini Dragon Pot has a double-clad bottom, just as our larger energy-saving Dragon Pot has, and is designed for years of use. Now all metals can eventually burn out, however, if used as intended (without inappropriate accelerants or long extended daily burning) it should last for years. It is not a cast-iron cauldron. It is trekking cookware, designed for short duration cooking on the trail. We have not had anyone destroy one yet that we are aware of. Regards, SilverFire
The most efficient and easiest way to light a gasifier (the stove design is a TLUD: top lit updraft stove) is to insert fuel vertically, add tinder on top and top light. This is the way secondary gasifier stoves are lit most efficiently. The tinder efficiently lights the primary fuel below, so is top lit. The fuel in the stove is burning down like a candle. There is no reason to reach down into the combustion chamber. Top lighting is clear, more efficient and easier. Western stove designs primarily have utilized a bottom lit techniques, which is less efficient when using TLUD designed stoves, since the top lit technique is to maximize the rising hot flue gases that are available to be re-burned a second time at the top of the stove. When you burn wood you are actually (pyrolysis) combusting the wood gases at the top of the stove a second time. The secondary preheated ventilation channels are heated by the primary fire below and more complete hot flue gas is rising and mixing takes place at the top of the stove combustion chamber or firebox, just as with modern wood and pellet stoves. Adding a fan creates even more mixing and more efficient wood gas combustion. Older primary combustion wood stoves burn less clean, use more fuel and are not EPA compliant. Secondary combustion designs are more efficient, use less fuel and burn cleaner. We actually top light most wood fires. Our stove designs are forgiving though and will still work bottom lit, but its is less efficient, and requires reaching in side combustion chamber or firebox below. Regards, SilverFire
That's not actually correct. The nomenclature isTLUD (top lit updraft stove). The stove burns down like a candle. It is an easy, efficient way to ignite a fire, eliminating the need to reach inside the combustion chamber to build the fire from the bottom up to light the fire. It is much easier. Simply insert fuel vertically, lay tinder on top, and top light! We light all of our SilverFire stoves this way, since all of our stoves offer secondary combustion. Hands stay cleaner too!
Hi Todd, I noticed that while there was no smoke from the stove normally, when you put the dragon pot on it was smoking quite a bit through the vent holes. Does the dragon pot inhibit the gasification? Maybe the pot needs some more vent holes to allow better ventilation and gasification. Thanks for your products!
Gasification is a function of the stove, not the skirted pot. If too much fuel is used in stove, the pot can smoke a bit. You decrease fuel load in Scout for best results with Mini Dragon pot. Larger or increased hole diameter will not impact fuction. Regards, SilverFire
I just discovered the existence of the mini dragon today, and am greatly interested. However, all the videos that I have viewed shows the smoke. My sensitivity to smoke is what turned me to wood gas stoves in the first place. More R&D on this problem for these pots may be in order. . . Thanks.
You don't like commercial distribution... Ok...Do you deliver all of these stoves yourself then? If not, how do you distribute them without using any commercial means?
Lars: The entire point of using a biomass stove is using free fuel and not relying on commercial distributed fuel. This is paramount in disasters and emergencies, where all commercial distribution may be impeded or cease entirely. If you click on our humanitarian links, you will note when we worked in Puerto Rico, the ability to cook, sanitize water for drinking and cleaning with twigs and debris found everywhere was a greatly appreciated. Meanwhile, folks dependent on commercially distributed gas were out of luck, it was turned off and unavailable, period. Ditto for electricity, there was none. Correct, we do not like commercial distribution or the high cost of shipping our customers are paying for shipping either. All carriers are increasing costs continuously 1 -2 times a year, despite relatively low fuel costs. Regards, SilverFire
I killed my knockoff the first season. I have used this one for 3 years and it is still fine.. And I got the 3 prong economy version. Be sure to wash the ash out after use and let dry before packing away, other than that I am just rough as hell on it and use all the time. Even with a campfire, I still cook on my stove. So...hundreds of burns at least? Just keep in mind, wet ash is corrosive. This was worth every penny and if I ever kill the economy model I will buy the more expensive version knowing what I know now.
In the field, a flexible twig can be run clockwise or counter clockwise. Back at base camp flexible bore brushes and cleaners maybe used in the same manner. Keep in mind quality, dry fuel will result in cleaner outcomes and reduce potential buildup of soot or creosote. There is a hierarchy of biomass, for example dry, fluffy fir cones have less pitch than heavy, dense pine cones, that have more sap and impurities, that will result in more sticky creosote or residue formation on bottom of pot. Regards, SilverFire
Hey Todd, Thanks for the prompt and positive reply. Just wondered whether there was an expert's knack to this. I'm expecting my new Scout this coming week having eventually found a supplier. The excitement mounts! Very interested in the Mini Dragon Pot but not to be found hereabouts so far. I'm in Wales where there's plenty of outdoor activity. Surely there's a market for quality Silverfire here. Any plans to export more to Europe? Thanks once again.
@@SilverFireStoves I’ve used a trangia burner in my Scout with a Mini-Dragon pot. Very quick boil times, and no soot at all with denatured alcohol stove fuel. That way you avoid the soot completely. Also this is completely smokeless. Not as fun & no mesmerizing flame, though.
Obviously, however, the entire point of using a biomass stove is not to depend on commercial fuel or fossil fuels. Using free renewable fuel is the premise of why these stoves were created.
In the field a twig rotated around pot will remove soot, although if using dry reasonable fuel, soot buildup will be minimal. Using wet, pitchy fuel will result in more creosote and soot formation. At base camp or home, a small caliber bore brush and cleaners can used to rotate and remove any significant buildup, so really not a big concern. Regards, SilverFire
Not at this time. We do offer the MSR Alpine Stowaway .775 liter pot with the SilverFire Scout stove. It is a traditional rugged stainless steel pot with locking handle bail.
Todd Albi That's cool. I'm looking for a stainless steel pot with bail, handle, skirt, with a more square (or slightly more vertical) height-to-width ratio.
I have used my little 3 prong cook stove for 3 years now, hard use, I am in the weeds and woods every chance I get. I am not particularly careful with my set up and yet, it has held up brilliantly.
I did try one of the cheaper versions before I found the Scout...I loved the bargain one, but I killed it in the first season...whereas this economy scout has held up year after year, burns better, is more stable, and burns anything you put in it from dried animal pooh to thorny crap I had to use in the desert.
Also, I went out with a bunch of people and it suddenly became monsoon central, I kept this little stove going, and used the coals to keep the main fire going.
This stove is brilliant and I would never go back to hauling fuel and rationing it so I won't run out. Want a warm trail bath? No problem, just keep heating water... No worries that we will run out of sticks. ❤️😁
Love this stove more than I can explain!
It smokes a bit but works a treat super fast. Great for keeping Midges away. For a cleaner burn i put two small lumps of coal under the tinder more heat and less smoke . I love this bit of kit.
This looks like a great setup. I'm a big fan of the Kelly Kettle, but need to check this out too.
After finding a review from Blue Mountain Bushcraft and Outdoors, interest as it does, sends you in search of as many videos as needed to make a informative Choice which in this case was easy ,seeing everyone was 100% positive, but I'm glad to have found this video, it's fully sold me on not just the standard of the product, but also given a tiny insight to the 110% commitment and Character of its Producer. 2 Scouts for the kids and most definitely just the start. Thanks .
Well, this set-up is definitely on my list of things, "Soon to Purchase..."
I do a lot of canoe-tripping in the BWCA area of Minnesota (in fact, i just returned from a 2 week trip), and prefer twig stoves over carrying liquid fuels. As it happens, I am actually in the market for newer / better gear and appreciate the chamber dimensions of your Scout Stove over the Solo Stove.
As a [formerly active] ANGLICO Marine, I am thinking that we may have had some mutual acquaintances. Unfortunately, the only name that comes to mind - at the moment, and after all these years - is a Ken Edgel; a pretty big guy, aka, The Thumper. He would've been over in Force about the same time as you - what a colorful character he was....
My barracks at 2nd Force Recon housed Anglico next doors, great guys. Serving with Force Recon and Naval Special Warfare, the crappy issued heat tab stoves sparked my interest for a better designed field stove and cookware.
Semper Fi / Hooyah. (long time ago, different body)
SilverFire
Todd Albi, Sure, French Creek; we were just on the other side of the yard. If you were still there in early 80's, you would've known my old 1st Sgt., Jim Lewis. After a tour with an Arty unit on Oki, he came to 2nd Force - in his 30's, and as a "leg." Great Marine, though - one of those guys who was always deep selected. The cool thing about those units was the connectedness; I'm still in contact with my old buddies, and my CO. As a side-note, General Dunford, Chairman Joint Chiefs, was our Ops Officer.
Regarding those heat tabs... I never bothered. A few LFR's to stabilize my canteen cup and some twigs and I was good to go.
Semper Fi.
Would love a coffee percolator make like this
Good question. Yes. Although all these fuels can be combusted in the stove, coal and charcoal burn hotter at the grate. We endorse neither fuel, due to higher temperatures that result in premature failure of stove metals and the higher levels of methane and carbon monoxide pollution produced burning coal or charcoal. If your outcome desired is longer duration of burn, dense hardwoods or pellets are better fuel options and will result in a longer stove life.
Regards SilverFire
We have two for camping or hiking 🥾 and love them, hot chocoholic in nature 💕💕
I have the biggest stars and it's great. Hope to get the pot next.
Great customer service to.
But you should have your link at the bottom of this video.
Typical of knockoff technology and folks not doing their homework (premature product failure life) due to inadequate or single clad design. Our Mini Dragon Pot has a double-clad bottom, just as our larger energy-saving Dragon Pot has, and is designed for years of use.
Now all metals can eventually burn out, however, if used as intended (without inappropriate accelerants or long extended daily burning) it should last for years. It is not a cast-iron cauldron. It is trekking cookware, designed for short duration cooking on the trail. We have not had anyone destroy one yet that we are aware of. Regards, SilverFire
for the military solid fuel stove, seem like you are putting the fuel the wrong way, it's up side down
The most efficient and easiest way to light a gasifier (the stove design is a TLUD: top lit updraft stove) is to insert fuel vertically, add tinder on top and top light. This is the way secondary gasifier stoves are lit most efficiently. The tinder efficiently lights the primary fuel below, so is top lit. The fuel in the stove is burning down like a candle. There is no reason to reach down into the combustion chamber. Top lighting is clear, more efficient and easier.
Western stove designs primarily have utilized a bottom lit techniques, which is less efficient when using TLUD designed stoves, since the top lit technique is to maximize the rising hot flue gases that are available to be re-burned a second time at the top of the stove. When you burn wood you are actually (pyrolysis) combusting the wood gases at the top of the stove a second time.
The secondary preheated ventilation channels are heated by the primary fire below and more complete hot flue gas is rising and mixing takes place at the top of the stove combustion chamber or firebox, just as with modern wood and pellet stoves. Adding a fan creates even more mixing and more efficient wood gas combustion.
Older primary combustion wood stoves burn less clean, use more fuel and are not EPA compliant. Secondary combustion designs are more efficient, use less fuel and burn cleaner. We actually top light most wood fires. Our stove designs are forgiving though and will still work bottom lit, but its is less efficient, and requires reaching in side combustion chamber or firebox below.
Regards,
SilverFire
That's not actually correct. The nomenclature isTLUD (top lit updraft stove). The stove burns down like a candle. It is an easy, efficient way to ignite a fire, eliminating the need to reach inside the combustion chamber to build the fire from the bottom up to light the fire. It is much easier. Simply insert fuel vertically, lay tinder on top, and top light! We light all of our SilverFire stoves this way, since all of our stoves offer secondary combustion. Hands stay cleaner too!
Sadly, not available in the UK.
Hi Todd, I noticed that while there was no smoke from the stove normally, when you put the dragon pot on it was smoking quite a bit through the vent holes. Does the dragon pot inhibit the gasification? Maybe the pot needs some more vent holes to allow better ventilation and gasification. Thanks for your products!
Gasification is a function of the stove, not the skirted pot. If too much fuel is used in stove, the pot can smoke a bit. You decrease fuel load in Scout for best results with Mini Dragon pot. Larger or increased hole diameter will not impact fuction.
Regards, SilverFire
I just discovered the existence of the mini dragon today, and am greatly interested. However, all the videos that I have viewed shows the smoke. My sensitivity to smoke is what turned me to wood gas stoves in the first place. More R&D on this problem for these pots may be in order. . .
Thanks.
www.silverfire.us: www.silverfire.us/304-ss-scout-mini-2-liter-dragon-pot-kit-for-2
I want this kit!
You don't like commercial distribution... Ok...Do you deliver all of these stoves yourself then? If not, how do you distribute them without using any commercial means?
Lars: The entire point of using a biomass stove is using free fuel and not relying on commercial distributed fuel. This is paramount in disasters and emergencies, where all commercial distribution may be impeded or cease entirely. If you click on our humanitarian links, you will note when we worked in Puerto Rico, the ability to cook, sanitize water for drinking and cleaning with twigs and debris found everywhere was a greatly appreciated. Meanwhile, folks dependent on commercially distributed gas were out of luck, it was turned off and unavailable, period. Ditto for electricity, there was none. Correct, we do not like commercial distribution or the high cost of shipping our customers are paying for shipping either. All carriers are increasing costs continuously 1 -2 times a year, despite relatively low fuel costs. Regards, SilverFire
We ship to UK via postal service, please contact us at via our website for postal quote if interested. www.silverfire.us
Regards,
SilverFire
how many burns can it sustain? the knockoffs get very few considering, before the bottom burns out.
I killed my knockoff the first season. I have used this one for 3 years and it is still fine.. And I got the 3 prong economy version. Be sure to wash the ash out after use and let dry before packing away, other than that I am just rough as hell on it and use all the time. Even with a campfire, I still cook on my stove. So...hundreds of burns at least? Just keep in mind, wet ash is corrosive. This was worth every penny and if I ever kill the economy model I will buy the more expensive version knowing what I know now.
How would you go about cleaning any soot deposits up inside the double walls of the Dragon Pot?
In the field, a flexible twig can be run clockwise or counter clockwise. Back at base camp flexible bore brushes and cleaners maybe used in the same manner. Keep in mind quality, dry fuel will result in cleaner outcomes and reduce potential buildup of soot or creosote. There is a hierarchy of biomass, for example dry, fluffy fir cones have less pitch than heavy, dense pine cones, that have more sap and impurities, that will result in more sticky creosote or residue formation on bottom of pot. Regards, SilverFire
Hey Todd, Thanks for the prompt and positive reply. Just wondered whether there was an expert's knack to this. I'm expecting my new Scout this coming week having eventually found a supplier. The excitement mounts! Very interested in the Mini Dragon Pot but not to be found hereabouts so far. I'm in Wales where there's plenty of outdoor activity. Surely there's a market for quality Silverfire here. Any plans to export more to Europe? Thanks once again.
@@SilverFireStoves
I’ve used a trangia burner in my Scout with a Mini-Dragon pot. Very quick boil times, and no soot at all with denatured alcohol stove fuel. That way you avoid the soot completely. Also this is completely smokeless. Not as fun & no mesmerizing flame, though.
Obviously, however, the entire point of using a biomass stove is not to depend on commercial fuel or fossil fuels. Using free renewable fuel is the premise of why these stoves were created.
I do worry about soot on the pot from wood fire.
In the field a twig rotated around pot will remove soot, although if using dry reasonable fuel, soot buildup will be minimal. Using wet, pitchy fuel will result in more creosote and soot formation. At base camp or home, a small caliber bore brush and cleaners can used to rotate and remove any significant buildup, so really not a big concern. Regards, SilverFire
Well stated, LOL!
Got a 700 - 1000 ml stainless steel pot with skirt?
Not at this time. We do offer the MSR Alpine Stowaway .775 liter pot with the SilverFire Scout stove. It is a traditional rugged stainless steel pot with locking handle bail.
Todd Albi That's cool. I'm looking for a stainless steel pot with bail, handle, skirt, with a more square (or slightly more vertical) height-to-width ratio.