The Most OP Spell That You've Never Heard Of... Sorcery Only No Hit Run

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  • Опубліковано 21 лис 2024

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  • @ΡαφαήλΣαλιάρης-ν5ω

    *uses carian slicer with meteorite staff
    -im using the wrong staff
    *Equips carian staff
    *Uses rock sling

  • @artius2993
    @artius2993 Рік тому +2693

    I think this run is a testament to just how insanely skilled Gino is at this game. He forgets or messes up half of the strats and was still able to beat the game without taking a single hit.

    • @ThaPugster
      @ThaPugster Рік тому +98

      Don’t forget if he needs to fight a boss the long way, he also mastered that in any% with fist only

    • @prehistoriccreator9600
      @prehistoriccreator9600 Рік тому +41

      not only that, but also how braindead sorcery is.

    • @highkageofthesmokevillage3383
      @highkageofthesmokevillage3383 Рік тому +25

      I watched these run and it looked so easy that I wanted to go back to thé game but I remembered how hard the game actualyis😂😭

    • @Duckman1616
      @Duckman1616 Рік тому +13

      He cheesed like every boss, not sure how that's an indication of skill. Bushy does challenge runs and actually makes them difficult. I don't know why you'd do a challenge run just to cheese the entire thing.

    • @ThaPugster
      @ThaPugster Рік тому +49

      @@Duckman1616 scripting fights is considered cheesing to you? Boy you would not like no hit runs of any variety

  • @randomgamer3868
    @randomgamer3868 Рік тому +697

    That margit kill is so hilarious, honestly wish you watched the whole cutscene just for added comedic affect, it would've been perfect, the whole speech about extinguishing your flame, the epic jump into the battlefield, and BOOM instant death.

    • @dumpy8312
      @dumpy8312 Рік тому +60

      Unknowingly leaps right into a minefield lmao

    • @omegasrevenge
      @omegasrevenge Рік тому

      *Destined Death!

    • @capiscuul
      @capiscuul Рік тому +12

      He has a video doing that

  • @lordptk4115
    @lordptk4115 Рік тому +381

    I don't mind you messing up all those fights. I find it actually more interesting to see you still managing to pull these fights off, even if something goes wrong.

    • @zes7215
      @zes7215 5 місяців тому

      wrgggg

  • @GRiznitDShiznit
    @GRiznitDShiznit Рік тому +725

    Him: I’m trying to do 42 no-hit runs…
    Me: Hey guys, I’m trying to complete my getting hit 100% of the time/maximum attempt run. Just comes natural really.

    • @Nimoot
      @Nimoot Рік тому +6

      "40 different no-hit runs"...
      If you're wanting to be Accurate.

    • @jaylicious4694
      @jaylicious4694 Рік тому +1

      xD

    • @Killzad
      @Killzad Рік тому +17

      Am doing my personal best run now, try to die less than 10 times at each boss.

    • @Manigeitora
      @Manigeitora Рік тому +6

      Bushy actually did an "all-hit run" where he was not allowed to block, dodge, strafe, or parry any attacks. Ever.

    • @pando_AP
      @pando_AP Рік тому

      @@Manigeitorait was the over weight run wasn’t it

  • @hugmuun
    @hugmuun Рік тому +818

    "Must be forgetting something" *isn't using the other staff in offhand for the bonus

    • @arquimedesjimenez7638
      @arquimedesjimenez7638 Рік тому +6

      Ok

    • @Necore
      @Necore Рік тому +14

      The bonus is working even if the staff is only used as decoration in the offhand. That's why you should use two in NG+.

    • @dariusfilip4695
      @dariusfilip4695 Рік тому +100

      ​@@Necore literally what OP is saying

    • @asketillus8679
      @asketillus8679 Рік тому +15

      @@Necore that’s exactly what he said. He said ginomachino wasn’t doing it

    • @bobbywalker2980
      @bobbywalker2980 Рік тому

      I'm sorry I didn't know this was your playthrough.

  • @samk3141
    @samk3141 Рік тому +41

    24:55 I love the delayed death on this one, just watching the last buble slowly make it's way haha.

  • @alolandonaldtrump8368
    @alolandonaldtrump8368 Рік тому +141

    fun fact: Rock sling, for whatever reason, travels twice as far if casting it with a staff used in the left hand.

    • @ShiningDarknes
      @ShiningDarknes Рік тому +40

      Another fun fact with rock sling (and any physical damage spell): it is affected by the arrow talismans.

    • @TheFlyingSquidwithMagical
      @TheFlyingSquidwithMagical Рік тому +6

      wait... what?@@ShiningDarknes

    • @ShiningDarknes
      @ShiningDarknes Рік тому +27

      @@TheFlyingSquidwithMagical As of the posting of my last comment this was true, the most recent patch (allegedly) fixed this.
      Previously, the arrow's reach and arrow's sting talismans applied to ANY physical damage dealing projectile by the player (not just arrows, bolts, and throwing daggers) this included rock sling, beastial sling, meteor, astel meteor, and stone of gurranq (there may have been others but these ones I tested myself to confirm back when I made that comment). I have not played in a month and there has been a patch since then so this may no longer be the case, certainly a patch note seems to suggest as much but they have said they fixed something but the problem persists before so who knows.

    • @gregbrown3082
      @gregbrown3082 Рік тому +4

      Arrow’s reach definitely still works for rock sling. Left hand casting, not so much

    • @redreboot483
      @redreboot483 10 місяців тому

      It's because in the game params the projectiles shot from each hand is a separate param

  • @SchteeKx
    @SchteeKx Рік тому +160

    Gino, will you put this series into a playlist for future watching? Love this series!

  • @HiddenBorzoi
    @HiddenBorzoi Рік тому +25

    16:20 moment is so good and whole run is amazing GG

    • @roude
      @roude Рік тому +2

      I need to watch that movie again.

  • @Trey-Farmhand-Suit
    @Trey-Farmhand-Suit Рік тому +34

    I found the smaller version of the bubble spell and I though damn this spell is neat and a few moments later I found the bigger one. I’m in heaven lol

  • @vigere
    @vigere Рік тому +88

    it’s impressive how much stuff you know about this game

    • @moviebad109
      @moviebad109 Рік тому +2

      It’s even more impressive that he forgets half the build in terms of which staff to have put and cast from, and still no hits it like it’s nothing.
      Even with the handicap of memory lapses, dude still powers through this and takes no hits. It’s insane.

    • @jcjcjcparent6588
      @jcjcjcparent6588 Рік тому +2

      Anyone who plays the same game for 100's if not 1000's of hours knows a lot about the game, nothing special.

    • @ciszaiogien
      @ciszaiogien Рік тому

      not impressive, you are just not impressive in games so not impressive stuff is impressing you xD

    • @vigere
      @vigere Рік тому +6

      @@ciszaiogien Insane assumptions

    • @Frosty_Th3_Snowman
      @Frosty_Th3_Snowman Рік тому

      ​@@ciszaiogien We got a big man over here! Crazy giga chad!

  • @EnergyBurst2
    @EnergyBurst2 Рік тому +35

    I remember on my first playthrough I comboed the bubble with loretta's bow to serve as a super high damage opener that put in lots of work during the early and mid-game, so I definitely have a soft spot for the Great Oracular Bubble, definitely slept on for how early you can get it and how low its requirements are.

    • @joaogomes9405
      @joaogomes9405 Рік тому +2

      It's incredibly good against Godfrey in both fights. He's too dumb not to walk into them head first, especially when he decides to menacingly walk at you at slow speeds. You get so much free damage on him with the bubbles.

  • @cf6909
    @cf6909 Рік тому +17

    "omg I completely messed up this fight. This is how you don't do this fight"
    The fight: no damage taken, boss dead in 30sec
    lol keep up the great content

  • @nuclearfrog306
    @nuclearfrog306 Рік тому +5

    oracular bubble is great! the slow projectile speed means that if a boss dodges, they execute their dodge *waaayyy* too early. and in pvp, it really throws off your opponent because you can catch up to the bubble and catch the adversary coming out of their roll

  • @nico-ob6wj
    @nico-ob6wj Рік тому +7

    I really love to hear you say it's a "test run" when I'm watching "the run"

  • @brentgrant1971
    @brentgrant1971 Рік тому +9

    i don’t understand why you don’t have more subscribers. Maybe do a walkthroughs as well for games. you have the voice and style and could be a 1 m subs opportunity

  • @AidanTheToast-c1x
    @AidanTheToast-c1x Місяць тому +1

    Thank you Gino you’ve helped me get through my annoying ahh band class

  • @Tackitt
    @Tackitt Рік тому +7

    That tree sentinel setup was cool. I've never seen that before.

  • @anwd8646
    @anwd8646 Рік тому +3

    With how you were talking about great oracular bubble only exploding with enemy contact just made me go “Man, I miss lingering flame.” Such a fun pyromancy in dark souls 2, just got to place landmines wherever you wanted.

  • @golantrevize515
    @golantrevize515 Рік тому +8

    20:40 "an absolute clinic of ‘how to fck up’[…] "
    Still, you nailed it!!

  • @Rawrmuffin0
    @Rawrmuffin0 Рік тому +1

    Random comment but yes, rice is better cooked washed bc the starch rinse will help the rice be less dense and more fluffy.
    Usually two - three rinses in the same circular motion to prevent grain breakage will do lol

  • @grothd09
    @grothd09 Рік тому +3

    Just found your channel your content is top notch dude! On my 2nd build splitting int/faith to be able to do some dragon communion stuff & a few good sorceries…just beat Rennala with rotten breath in like 30 seconds…killing the glowing creeps on the ground took longer than taking her out. Thanks for providing so much helpful info!!

  • @hotmessmasta
    @hotmessmasta 6 місяців тому +5

    I know this video is old but for my magic play through, I’d always end up going back to just using rock sling and the meteorite staff. When in doubt, rock sling it out.

  • @emerald2002
    @emerald2002 Рік тому +8

    Both Margit and Morgott had incredibly funny kills, Margit just dying instantly and Morgott having that tiny chunk of health left doing the phase 2 intro as the bubble slowly got closer was so damn funny

  • @DoBTF2
    @DoBTF2 Рік тому +7

    Shoutout to Gino's editor as well. These runs have been getting cleaner and cleaner with the editing!

  • @harrysynnott2379
    @harrysynnott2379 Рік тому +13

    Elden Ring is a superb game, as is your video. Well done, and look forward to more. Subbed and belled. Cheers, Harry.

  • @andrewtaylor2607
    @andrewtaylor2607 10 місяців тому +2

    "Dang I messed that up" "Wow I really messed this up" "This is so scuffed" *Still kills the boss without getting hit* Dude I'm trying to get through it fully armored and 40 vigor points or something. Gino is insane at this game.

  • @MicroMidas
    @MicroMidas Рік тому +3

    14:45 True!
    It is one of my favorite spells in my casual playthrough, and I use it often on my Int. build, and love it! I hope it doesn't get nerfed! The stacking, if you just know the range so they stop right before the target as you just did, is also a *very* effective!

  • @roachmancam9012
    @roachmancam9012 Рік тому +7

    Best elden ring challenge runs out there

  • @KingJerbear
    @KingJerbear Рік тому +15

    Man I have watched so much content on this game despite never even finishing it myself. I was doing a Sorcery run but then found the Moonveil sword and started enjoying that thing. As someone who never played any FromSoft games you have really inspired me to revisit it and just explore and enjoy my time. Thx for the vid

    • @DeoSiege
      @DeoSiege Рік тому

      It's easy once you get a certain lvl and farm at mog palace if you not a try hard I'm not to good at games and I beat this like 5 times

    • @Rithy2105
      @Rithy2105 2 місяці тому

      @@DeoSiegegit gud 😊

  • @Kingbasegod
    @Kingbasegod Рік тому +3

    For the knights Calvary cheese there’s a much easier way, you just run up the hill and get him poisoned and once you reach the top of the hill he’ll respawn to his normal location since he’s so far away and for some reason just just dies.

    • @kwirant
      @kwirant Рік тому +2

      IIRC this has been patched out for a while

  • @bluesundu
    @bluesundu 3 місяці тому +1

    26:14 it looks like Fire Giant eats the rock sling and then spits it back out

  • @combs3445
    @combs3445 Рік тому +1

    I love his setup. Something about seeing his yard is just nice

  • @cliffbar_2081
    @cliffbar_2081 Рік тому +3

    Seeing everything spawn in and immediately collapse from a barrage of bubble nukes is amazing

  • @apolinocaballo1145
    @apolinocaballo1145 Рік тому +1

    Bro, you are a F$%KING sicario. I have spent HOURs, DAYS, WEEKS, pushing my stats up to, like, the upper and lower 80's ... and I have not been able to do what you do. This is the perfect example of "work SMARTER, not harder". Cheers to you, bro. I have fought Gen. Randahn around 150 times ... and I STILL haven't defeated the bastard. You nailed him in, like, 10sec.

  • @jasonfoxfire9563
    @jasonfoxfire9563 Рік тому +1

    The bubble spell is one of my absolute favorite spells. Good damage, good tracking, solid explosion radius, and it hangs around a while if it doesn't hit its target at first. It's slow to cast so not useful for every fight but it really comes in handy in fights where you can make the space. I tend to play pure casters more in games because magic is fun and there's a number of spells that I found to be a lot better than I initially expected.

  • @reilim7074
    @reilim7074 2 місяці тому

    2:26 that was the funniest Radahn fight I've ever seen. Just radahn awkwardly galloping toward you while you slowly prep a nuke for him to walk into.

  • @takkar-Gooshi
    @takkar-Gooshi Рік тому +2

    Congratulations and Respect. Thank you Man🙏

  • @abovewater6918
    @abovewater6918 Рік тому +13

    Gino starts a test run to learn the run better. Constantly talks about how he is messing up the run. Then proceeds to still no hit the run hahaha

  • @jayeff4337
    @jayeff4337 Рік тому +5

    Love these videos. Would be interested to see some of the route setting or mistakes where you get hit

  • @skyesfury8511
    @skyesfury8511 Рік тому +3

    Seeing vids like this, it makes one wonder how any of these figures haven't been defeated by someone in the lore before. lol Very cool vid! Glad it showed up in my recommended list.

  • @OD91MJ
    @OD91MJ Рік тому +6

    Bubbles are so crazy dangerous for PvE. They just destroy.

  • @advancingdown
    @advancingdown Рік тому +12

    Your so cracked at this stuff it’s insane

  • @Solemiargoylelan333
    @Solemiargoylelan333 Рік тому +4

    Love your videos, you really are amazing at these games.

  • @nicklewis23
    @nicklewis23 Рік тому +3

    Astrologer mage was my first play through when it came out. I put over 300 hours into that character and wasn't this op for a LONG time lol

  • @gostreiver8036
    @gostreiver8036 Рік тому +8

    Man the amount of attempts you must have tried things to get the timing down on those bubbles , even though you said it wasn’t executed properly.
    Great content man. Thanks for all your hard work and happy holidays

  • @gothphoebe
    @gothphoebe Рік тому +3

    I would love to see a version with all the setups done perfectly.

  • @horsied
    @horsied Рік тому +3

    it’s insane how easy you make the bosses look

  • @vonix9199
    @vonix9199 Рік тому +1

    well done. The run, and the video. I really enjoy content like this! I haven't seen much from you before but I'm definitely subbing

  • @griffintschudin5912
    @griffintschudin5912 Рік тому

    The sync up with the spongebob bar scene was immaculate *chefs kiss* props to the editor 😂

  • @thegrunch6448
    @thegrunch6448 Рік тому

    I like that little plip plop sound it makes when fully charging the bubbles

  • @xavierhines4315
    @xavierhines4315 Рік тому +3

    Did not know hitting godskin duo while in death animation still does damage 😱

  • @KingGelo9
    @KingGelo9 Рік тому +4

    Haven’t watched the video yet but I can guarantee it’s another banger

  • @xelicide
    @xelicide Рік тому +1

    Subbing to this channel was worth it. Gosh dang since I"ve subbed I've put another 80 hours into the game over the last 2 weeks

  • @thefakerking51
    @thefakerking51 10 місяців тому

    I had an idea for a run that I think is really cool and couldnt find anyone had done. Beat Elden ring but once you equip something including weapons, armor, spell slots or even changing flask effects you can not remove it or change it. I know Gino could do it.

  • @exiledtobronze8694
    @exiledtobronze8694 Рік тому

    It just turned it on for this video but I meant to turn it on a while ago I discovered your channel recently and it is one of 400+ of my subscriptions however it is one of the 2/400+ channels where I have notifications turned on because I am genuinely interested in every single video you put out as somebody who is looking to make content themselves I really appreciate the work that you put into your videos as well as the many things that I don't even notice... Keep up the work and much love

  • @tric30
    @tric30 Рік тому

    I really like how the quote before radahn is always a different sentence of the dudes speech

  • @thomasdixon6476
    @thomasdixon6476 10 місяців тому +3

    00:29 when he said "by the end of 2022" i felt so old 💀💀

    • @oye6124
      @oye6124 4 місяці тому

      cuz ur old

  • @shankypanky8879
    @shankypanky8879 Рік тому +67

    Gino: I messed up this whole run, man!!! Scuffed!
    Mortals: It happens, man! How many times did you get hit?
    Gino: Oh, I didn't get hit once, but...
    Mortals: 😶

  • @NateV2
    @NateV2 Рік тому +1

    There's an unrelated moment about rice washing. Incase you read this. Washing rice allows you to remove the free starch coating sticking to the milled rice. This is good or bad depending on where your rice is from and how you are using it. Some rice can have arsenic in the free starch. This is not based on rice breed, just geographical location it was milled from. You sometimes want that free-starch for how your preparing your rice. The Arsenic is in very small, mostly harmless amounts, but for the infirm, or exceptionally young it -could- potentially be hazardous in large consumed quantities over long periods of time.
    So you, a presumably north American male living in north America? Meh, eat rice, it's good for you. Eat it how it pleases you.

  • @flugga182
    @flugga182 Рік тому +2

    amazing!! this run shows how silly it was of fromsoft to nerf stuff like flame of redmane when all these sorceries are so broken...

  • @skeome
    @skeome Рік тому +1

    I love how Gino acknowledges how he never sees anybody use the Great Oracular Bubble.
    I can confirm, I don't use it because of the bubble boys

  • @EldenBRO
    @EldenBRO Рік тому

    I am doing a level 1 mage run and I am nailing it! I never thought I would go as far as Farum Azula

  • @lordzarzu7250
    @lordzarzu7250 Рік тому +1

    I would absolutely love to see a hitless with the Crucible Tree Spear. It’s my favorite weapon and it never really sees much attention from the UA-cam community from what I’ve seen

  • @austinsavage5962
    @austinsavage5962 Рік тому +2

    I guess gidion didnt know about the bubble spell so much for all knowing

  • @dowfreak7
    @dowfreak7 Рік тому +2

    Y'know, it took me until I looked at the splits here, to realize something.
    There sure are a lot of G R M bosses in this game. Godfrey/Gideon/Godrick/Rykard/Radagon/Margit/Malenia.
    Almost like someone snuck his initials into the entire game.

  • @letwolf
    @letwolf Рік тому +1

    4:50 falling doesn't killing anyone. meeting with the ground does. 😂

  • @Tapps9977
    @Tapps9977 Рік тому

    Whenever I decide to do a sorcery build oracle bubble has always had a spot of now it gets the recognition it deserves.

  • @imbored5211
    @imbored5211 Рік тому +1

    Bro you are so criminally underrated

  • @eddyfade5956
    @eddyfade5956 Рік тому +1

    Loving your content mate! 🥳

  • @JethNova143
    @JethNova143 Рік тому

    What a birthday present! Well played! Liked and subscribed!

  • @siobovitch
    @siobovitch Рік тому +2

    Jaysus that was a funny run xD. Really enjoying the serie btw Gino

  • @Ray33416
    @Ray33416 Рік тому

    Awesome vid also thanks for the flashbang at the end there lol

  • @hwate8
    @hwate8 Рік тому

    Slow-moving projectiles are definitely the most terrifying weapons in most cases: you have to respect them like traps, but they're constantly mobile and losing track of even one for an instant could spell disaster, even if only because the distraction of not being able to find them causes you to lose track of something _else,_ and then everything goes to shit.

  • @oafkad
    @oafkad Рік тому +1

    The bubble is cool and all but you just sneaking through the front door of the castle is blowing my mind atm.

  • @Theoramma
    @Theoramma Рік тому +5

    I spent a week on some of these bosses and seeing them completely trivialized is jaw dropping lol I suck

    • @khow627
      @khow627 Рік тому +1

      Bruh I don't understand how he's doing so much damage with these spells. And then not taking a SINGLE hit I don't get it I was stuck for hours on some of these and was over leveled and still struggling

    • @Theoramma
      @Theoramma Рік тому +2

      @Kevin Howard numbers game with all the buffs I guess. There's some kind of pattern that us normies just can't see lol 😆

  • @isaacromano812
    @isaacromano812 Рік тому

    Me:”how did you do that”
    Gino:”😭I’m messing every single strat up😭”
    😂😂😂

  • @NickGampe
    @NickGampe Рік тому +1

    Hope you had a good Christmas Gino

  • @Fraustyy
    @Fraustyy Рік тому +2

    another day, another no-hit run! let's go!

  • @klausherro653
    @klausherro653 Рік тому

    It ain't even the builds anymore at this point, this dude is just OP.
    .

  • @roude
    @roude Рік тому +3

    Gino you are a treasure to the community.
    Thank you for your videos and streams.
    I'm in the clinic rn for depression and watching you stream and the videos on yt are helping alot when I'm down.

  • @SefricFrampus
    @SefricFrampus Рік тому +5

    I find it very fitting that the wizardry in the game is stronger the more you know of the game, and also has more preparation involved than other styles. Everything is calculated.

  • @aaupa6981
    @aaupa6981 Рік тому

    love those series, and the editing is amazing

  • @MichaelOxlongerThanYours
    @MichaelOxlongerThanYours Рік тому +3

    You also could have tried shard spiral, another massively underrated spell when it comes to fighting big bosses.

    • @captininsanoo00
      @captininsanoo00 Рік тому +1

      that thing is a buzz saw with a big slow boss

  • @huomin9320
    @huomin9320 3 місяці тому

    always wash rice at least once! the process that grinds the skin off of rice often ends up leaving particle coatings in the startch that can be mild carcinogens! also it makes the rice a better texture

  • @lasysound
    @lasysound Рік тому +2

    give this man more subscribers !

  • @andrewhess8164
    @andrewhess8164 Рік тому +1

    babe wake up new gino no hit run just dropped

  • @wallflower7016
    @wallflower7016 Рік тому

    bruh i always see your videos , get motivated and when i finally go at the game thinking i am going to crush this monster, my hits do half the damage and then i die.

  • @courtneyvazquez1447
    @courtneyvazquez1447 7 місяців тому +1

    Gino: "Sorceries are probably the strongest thing in elden ring."
    Me with my big hammer go burrr

  • @Hi_itsRaph
    @Hi_itsRaph 10 місяців тому

    Love watching these well cut lovely slices of elden ring

  • @InsaneGreatsword
    @InsaneGreatsword Рік тому +1

    The bubble uses intelligence and arcane, which nothing else in the game uses, therefore meaning a sorcery arcane build somewhat redundant when you can just splurge more stats in intelligence.

    • @InsaneGreatsword
      @InsaneGreatsword Рік тому

      I never realized how slow the spell is, but now that I have, I can definitely see it’s utility by stacking spells.

  • @ziegander
    @ziegander Рік тому

    Wow. I had never seen anyone use the bubble OR the meteorite, and, just, wow. The damage is unreal, even the slicer damage, like you were saying, so OP lol

  • @slands5618
    @slands5618 Рік тому +3

    I love the fact that he got shabriris howl but never used It for what i can see he never used it.

  • @nydeatha9220
    @nydeatha9220 Рік тому

    This video popped off because it showcases the whole game in under an hour different classes and different routes would spice it up idk u prob done that already though but still perfect

  • @frantisekfojt8688
    @frantisekfojt8688 Рік тому +1

    Definitely would appreciate the actual strats, it's insanely fun

  • @tucion4214
    @tucion4214 Рік тому

    its good to wash your rice, when wash it right, you see how the water gets all murky it’s like basically dirt in the rice so it’s good to rinse for a while

  • @lefiesterriblemistakes
    @lefiesterriblemistakes Рік тому +1

    *ENEMY FALLEN*
    Tree Sentinel: Ha ha, funny little tarnished, aren't you? :|

  • @ericposey4124
    @ericposey4124 Рік тому

    Ok, so quick rundown on rice washing. Absolutely not required health wise in developed nations BUT many brands are nutrient enriched and washing your rice literally washes the enrichment out so if you need those nutrients its bad. It also affects recipes, different recipes call for washed rice to affect texture.

  • @joshuapatrick682
    @joshuapatrick682 Рік тому

    8:15 That's a sad Death Bird who just accepts it's fate but doesn't have to be happy about it..