Vintage Tech YouTubers Discussion Panel | VCFMW 18 (2023)
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2023
- A roundtable discussion between UA-camrs who dedicate their channels to vintage technology, featuring: @LGR, @The8BitGuy, @ComputerClan, @adriansdigitalbasement, @ActionRetro, @theserialport, @NybblesandBytes, and @TaylorAmyShow. Topics discussed include: Dealing with burnout, loved and hated depictions of computing in popular media, whether software piracy is needed for preservation of hardware, multichannel content marketing organizations, and much more. The panel was moderated by @TheOldskoolPC .
HUGE thanks to @VeronicaExplains for helping us with the youtuber panel footage!
NOTE: The camera is fixed at stage left for the first 11 minutes, then it pans around to view whoever is speaking.
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Really good panel. So awesome that Veronica saved the day with her footage so for those of us that couldn't make VCFMW were able to watch the panel.
^^^ This guy steals other people's stuff. ua-cam.com/video/hRkPCjVhM8c/v-deo.htmlsi=ivQnKDTNT1BEtgQT
Long time attendee, first time having a table, was an absolute blast of an experience. A show that’s both free to attend, and free to exhibit, how can anyone complain about anything.
Y’all do great work.
@jimleonard did a great job and Taylor and I were honored to be asked to be a part. What a great group of folks!!!
Long life to Veronica 🎉. Thanks
I will be disappointed if Veronica is not to be seen on the panel next year.
@@wruwruwruShe is invited!
The retro content (and the hobby overall) is one of the best antidepressants in this day and age. Thanks for sharing the passion.
It's always great seeing my favourite UA-camrs together on one panel. I've been following most of you guys from the start of your channels. You give so much to the community. I want to thank you all. Regards C J from the UK.
0:41 what a fantastic opportunity to add a UA-cam info card at 0:41 to Veronica's channel! Nice work Veronica!
You're right! Added.
Thank you (especially Veronica) for preserving this so I could watch it ... room was completely crowded when i tried to see it live. Nice job all, and made some new discoveries!
@VeronicaExplains Thank you.
Glad to help!
The dremel joke was absolutely hilarious
The dremel damaged the rare PC; the paperclip killed it.
8-bit guy kinda deserved that roast.
That well just never runs dry lol. He will never live that video down, but I do respect him for leaving it up there.
@@Sloxx701 Yeah. It's as infamous as Will Smith slapping Chris Rock at the Oscars.
@@Throckmorton.Scribblemonger oh come on, that's the shitty PS/2 XT machine
Very good panel. Some great questions and confirmation for the (hopefully) up and coming tiny UA-cam channel content producers.
Yeah Thrift Stores have become so greedy over the last 10+ years. For a company that gets the items 100% free, they sure love to milk the products to get Premium prices from them. They shouldn't be allowed to use the word 'Thrift' anymore IMO.
32:26 Did not expect a classic Finnish demo being mentioned in a Midwest US vintage tech panel :D Unreal FTW!
Yay my people! Get Veronica on the panel next year! 🍿🤓
Here here!
Then who is going to film it?
@@Okurka. I mean, you have a point, lol.
@@fractalMD *Hear, hear!
@@Throckmorton.Scribblemonger *Hare, hare!
Thank you Veronica!
Loved it. Thanks Veronica.
Thanks for the name drop trixter
Good group of folks all the way around. Definitely looking forward to next year. Already starting the preparations!
It would have been interesting to hear more from Taylor and Amy. They have a pretty distinct thing going on, and I think they could offer a different perspective from the others, who we all kind of know already. Maybe next time!
Definitely Amy she is❤❤❤❤
@@danielknepper6884 move on buddy.
@@danielknepper6884 you’re a creep, but you already know that.
The guy that did the Doom on an ATM unalived jimself a few years back
Aussie50 was his channel
I love these panel interviews. 8 Bit Guy rocking' the jorts! Love it!
Now wait a minute, I had a 20 megabyte MFM hard-drive attached to my Atari 8-bit. It wasn't a Seagate, but it existed and it worked.
For me I think it was the Gotek that got me back into real hardware. I was doing virtualization for years but the idea of being able to emulate a floppy drive using a USB stick just made using real hardware seem a lot easier
Thank you for video and for the event.
wild intro / compo at VCF would be great. even better would be enough entries to split by platform!
[demoscene represent!]
Wish I was there for this ♡
Way to go Adrian, and Veronica.
sad not to see the great Ben Heck on the panel.
Nice interview.
love the druaga1 callout!
I love them all
I liked the questions about computers in the movies. My favorite is Scotty talking to the Mac in STIV. The one that annoys me is Peter Gibbons’ computer screen in OfficeSpace where he is trying to save files quickly enough so he can sneak out the door without Lumbergh noticing (he failed). They mashed (edited) together screens from Mac OS and Windows which was quite annoying.
Shorts, like any other format, would work great for delivering retro computing content; the issue is the audience that likes Shorts would have no nostalgia for the topics these UA-camrs cover.
54:12 - i know that feeling i get useless royalty checks from one songwriting credit once a year and they are for at most half of what it actually costs to cash them so i built a custom box for them so they at least look nice.
Noooo where was Mac84? But really thank you so much though for recording it. Don’t live in the US but I love seeing these talks.
21:25 June, GREAT Andromeda Strain movie comment, I totally agree!!!
Thanks i lol this keep up the good work to all who made this hapening and panel
Yay, Veronica!
On the subject of shorts RetroBlasting has an excellent video explaining why it should be a separate channel
Re (20:36 and) 21:00 - Huh, interesting thought. Looking back at it, I do think I see a quadra on the desk next to the SGI monitor, keyboard, and mouse. But, that makes sense (and indeed, there was a whole program at SGI to get rid of the macs that most non-engineers had on their desks, called "Move Over Mac" (MOM), so even at SGI, a mac and an SGI workstation on the same desk probably did happen now and then), because the actual computer would usually be under the desk. The smallest computer they had at the time was an Indigo, and one of those is on a different desk, but... most stuff was bigger, and would certainly be under it. (Think slightly bigger than a mini-fridge for a Power Series, or same height a little narrower for Personal Iris... I'm not sure exactly the timelines of things, but I think the newer systems (Indigo2, let alone Indy, etc.) weren't out by the time that would have been shot.
(Sorry, I wouldn't speak up on this, since I don't entirely know... but, as someone who kinda "grew up" at SGI (my mom worked there for several years, and then I did for several, and this was all around that time), it's just kinda something I care about. And, certainly fsn ("fusion") was running on an SGI screen... and as far as I know, that software wasn't ever ported to Mac (though a clone of it, called fsv, does exist... but, I don't think that's what was in the film)?? So, I'm guessing any quadra around was just a prop, basically.)
Re: CRT Whine -- It's a retro computer. With a CRT. They whine. We all used to sit 8 inches in front of one, all day for work / school / fun. Then the family would turn on the CRT TV and eat dinner together while The Simpsons was on.
It's part of the experience. Get used to it, or gradually go deaf like the rest of us did! ;-D
Veronica Saves the Day! She's got a Fun Channel!
New Sub! Detroit, MI
I really want to go net year, or at least see if there is one closer to the Detroit area. We used to have a Killer Trade show at an Indoor Flea Market called Gibraltar Trade Center once a month, that was HUGE! 80s/90s were fun, but it started Dying Off in the Late 90s.
Not much around here for computer shows that I am aware of
UA-cam, if you are listening, fix these issues and implement the feature suggestions.
I appreciate no one's on the panel wearing a kilt. 🏴
I loved Adrian and David's banter.
i love adrian's prick print
43:53 Allen Bradley *was a big tech company in MKE. Rockwell Automation bought them back in 1985 though… and taken over the building. Not sure when that was though, but it's been awhile. But they're still doing the same PLC and control stuff as ever.
Get a bigger venue! Time to move to Chicago!
speaking of watching it to the end.....youtube frequently accuses me of not doing that. Every video says I have like 30 seconds remaining. I don't do that. I always watch to the end.......unless I turned it off super early, but even that isn't common.
Matrix: Needing to hack the city power grid, Trinity whips out Nmap version 2.54BETA25, uses it to find a vulnerable SSH server, and then proceeds to exploit it using the SSH1 CRC32 exploit sshnuke from 2001. Indeed correct and realistic.
OMG the pet peeves... Jurassic Park "I know this, this is linux" moving mouse... soooo triggered me. Never mind Tetris that was so much better than average.
They need to rewrite the dmca so a lot of the greay area is made into definitely fair use with as few user restrictions as possible, and also get the companies to dump more of thier ip into public domain.
I mean seriously, the original copyright before dmca was designed to die within less than two average human lifetimes, let's fix it so it goes back to that.
Before the dmca before the 72. Restore it to 28 renewable only once for another 28. That ought to be the limit. I would also make tm and patent stuck at 72 years not a moment longer.
back in the day I could hear CRT whine and it HURT like hell, but it wasn't on every CRT and it was more common at 60hz. I used to get pissed at the computer teacher for re-imaging the machines because it would take weeks for me to log into every computer and change the refresh from 60 to 75. Then it didn't hurt as bad.......until he remote projected his screen. It's actually copying the video signals from his CRT which means that because he's in 60 ALL of them are in 60 and yeah me and 4 other people would scream in terror. Eventually those other 4 would help me in logging into all the machines to fix the 60->75 issue.
1:16:20 I really think i would enjoy shorts from these creators. I think the problem is they didn't practice what makes a short interesting and what would make a good short from their content. It's a whole new skillset, and I don't think it should be ignored just because there are bad use cases.
1:24:00 Steven you're awesome! Thank you for arguing for it. 1:25:05 David unfortunately didn't hear you right though. He's imagining squishing the whole thing down... that's one way to do shorts. For his example, a commodore history video has tons of interesting facts in it that are good questions asked or answered exactly like you were trying to inspire them to ponder about.
Lgr is even here that’s real retro tech youtube
Who is the one with the commodore 128 shirt? Nice person 😄
21:02 is wrong on multiple levels. One… there is no Quadra 800 at all in the movie. There is a Quadra 700, but it's a different scene / area. Two, what they show when they're flying thru the file system, was def on an SGI workstation. You can even see the IRIX desktop and UI and everything, with an SGI CRT, etc. No idea where the idea that a Mac was running those scenes came from.
12:14 Zero-based numbering doesn't make the amount any different. If you have 256 items on your list, even if you number them from 0 to 255, you would still have 256 items :-)
Once you notice Taylor bouncing her leg all the time you can't unsee it.
She do be bouncing that leg, tho 😂
I was watching Amy's Shoe play❤❤
@1:05 that sounds like Tom.
V saved the day!
Great job Veronica Explains!
1:10:38 and they took annotations away as well.
❤Chicano Mexicano Beverly Hills Downey California 1970 growing up we had Rockwell NASA and 1989 built my first IBM Clone. 2012 to 2020 worked in Jeffersonville indiana, mishwiaka indiana, elkhart Indiana Shepardvill Kentucky and waxahachie texas. I remember Michagan kalomozo tech show. Loved it. We lost fry’’s electrronics, but we still have Micro center in Orange County and Dallas texas. Great memories.. Let me know next even.t. I have so much stuff in our warehouse, you guys might like…. 😢
1:12:35 isn't that why Nebula exists ?
Whenever i see a video thats about a noun and doesn't have the noun in the title, I don't watch it... clickbait is clickrepellent.
The thing that irritates me about some youtubers 'style' is the quick cut, fast edit . The presenter is constantly talking. it's not natural, there has to be pauses and time for reflection. That's way more human to me.
Lol " when they were called computers" 🤣🤣🤣
MORE CLINT
A lot of C64 software was cracked and copied decades ago. I am not sure why anyone who published the software in the 80’s would try to waste their time worrying about it now. Too late!! Only by traveling back in time and busting neighborhood Copy parties in the 1980’s could they even do anything and even then there was too much of it going on to stop it. The train left the station and the ship set sail over 30 years ago.
@TaylorAmyShow, they really talk too a lot huh 😂, people should have asked them more questions, or they should have gotten more involved in the conversation, either way I kind of feel bad for them
Don't feel bad! We had fun and Bil the legend Herd asked us a question. :)
great one. crazy ken is a bit dorky tho :D
My kids won't let me watch vidoes with CRT's any more. lol
1:06:00 : My response to what David sayd about the full episodes of The simpsons, is exactly why they are after you immediatelly after uploading, and the reason Clint recieves 1 cent from Disney(by the way Clint says that a lot about the practices of "Greedeative Lads" hahah in the 90´s, and then EA, Apple, Nintendo, just about every conlgomerate that concentrate property, that is the key word, creation has the same laws as properrty, in fact is under property, when they should be as far a part in legal terms as posibble. The minute you became a creator of content, they make sure you own the least rights to your own creation, and in doing so keep all this intellects in a box locked tight as long as it keeps making money, afterwards, it´s not only that they don´t care, they make sure that "this spark of the human mind" dies and doesn´t spread the seed of creative thought, because that is more dangerous than making no money at all. Orwell may have not lived in thiis last 20 years, buy he shurely saw it comming,
The clearest example is, no creator of content no matter how big it is is part of the medium or communication system, or broadcast, I dare anyone to tell me otherwise. It´s worse way worse than 90´s callcenters, the previos year panel talked about that. There is a vacuum in the middle to allow a system to steer in the direction of a shares holders meet, or execs board. I don´t know why it is so hard for you to think, the guy that talked to Clint from youtube, so called "advisor" or legal representative hahaha, knows least about broadcasting content and creative media content than he or she knows about Clint, but looking at Clint he just knows it´s just how the want it. The creator and the audience or followers taking all the effort and resources, Without them doing anything, just a couple of simple algorythms bash the little head down when it sticks out.
Ps.; Not my proudest moment, but I just have to coment.....hahah. Clearly that clanguy is the highest paid one by YT, he´s an idi.. o! ,...T...
On the matter of Shorts and Attention Span: 1./ We binge-watch a lot more than 20 years ago (House of Cards, Squid Game just to name two), so clearly it's not that our attention span has gone, provided there is an actually interesting topic at hand. 2./ Has the information density gone down? That requires a look at something that has been pretty constant... maybe a documentary about space with Neil de Grasse Tyson... those appear to have a similar pace as when they were on TV in the 90s. 3./ So if, today, we skip through those documentaries or watch them at 2x speed, it means one thing: humanity is craving for *higher* information density. 4./ Sometimes you even find a channel that's interesting and then suddenly you open another video and before you know it, you spent 2 hours straight watching that channel's videos unintentionally (and maybe even subscribe), but 2 - 3 - 5 years down the line, you skip through a lot of that channel's videos, which says more about the viewer getting proficient with the topic to the point that the channel is not bringing new information to long-time viewers. LTT is one of those - they're *still* building computers, but the process of building computers hasn't changed all that much in 10 years, so naturally, it gets boring after a while.
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VCF (all of them) seems to be holding firmly to a tradition with various A/V issues. Who else to struggle with it so hard if not the tech savvy folks XD Watched (erm, sometimes only tried to watch) many previous talks, boy is it a full spectrum of all the imaginable errors with dead mics, corrupted encoding, noise, feedback, all the good stuff. And Veronica KNEW, and she was prepared. Wise foresight, thank you very much! :)
In the 10+ years Jim has been volunteering to do A/V and room setup for VCFMW presentations, this was our very first video mishap. The specific problem was reproduced later during diagnosis, then fixed, so it shouldn't happen again.
@@VCFMW Wasn't at all meant to be a blame or offensive in any way, just an entertaining bit of my personal experience of watching these vids on YT. Probably a sign that I consume way too much of retrocomputing content. Whatever. Even though I'm unable to attend your events, these panel talks are solid gold! Keep up the good work, and thanks for sharing :)
Thanks Veronica!
Veronica... records. Nicely done. :)
I'm 37 and I can hear CRT whine from a mile away. It triggers my tinnitus and I hate it so much.
Also VGA CRT's run at 31kHz, so it would be much less likely / impossible that anyone would hear that. The 15kHz that consumer televisions put out however is maddening.
You should make some friends. Also, if you actually had tinnitus, you would
Know it isn’t triggered by sound or songs. It’s a chromic inflammatory response in the inner ear.
TLDR, don’t be a chauvinist douche.
On a more positive note, if you truly need help with your tinnitus, ask your PCP or ENT about dexamethasone treatment. It could your life (but not your mindset).
@@drjohnfisher My tinnitus is confirmed by my primary care doctor and while it isn't technically triggered by external sources I hear it at the same frequency, around 15kHz so when I hear it it is triggering. The "snap your fingers on the back of your skull" trick works somewhat but if you have it you know there isn't really a good solution.
@@C4103 I’m sorry to hear about your tinnitus, but it begs the question: if this frequency is so triggering that you have to voice such a strong opinion , how are you able to watch much of anything on UA-cam? UA-cam intros etc hit the same frequency consistently.
I wish you the best luck with your tinnitus, but I wish you make an effort not to be so negative in UA-cam comments; ultimately it just reflects poorly on you. Also, never drive with your car windows down or radio on.
PCP’s can’t confirm tinnitus as a diagnosis. It’s outside the scope of their training.
I am truly sorry to have to say this, but can there be a podcast version of this? Because as a video, it's unwatchable.
1:35 "Ladies first" doesn't seem to be a cowboy thing.
Welcome to the 21st century.
The equality is a good thing. Just people doing jobs they're passionate about.
"no body cares about a dumpster tv you fixed"........yeah.......I skipped that video. I'm not a CRT person. So if that's the whole video I just don't bother.
lived thru whole era, start to finish of CRT tech for personal computers and I don't get the fascination that many in retro community have with CRTs
am glad to have CRTs in the rear view mirror
And there's a positive note - one day all the CRTs will have ceased working and there won't be a way to recreate them as all manufacturing capability for such things will have utterly vanished
@@TheSulross never say never as that was the case for records at one point, but now we have records again. lol But yeah that's essentially true. And on the positive side if there are new ones they won't be "tired" and worn out.
oh gawd I HATE shorts. I HATE short videos. 1 minute videos PISS ME OFF AND I WILL NOT WATCH THEM!
Amy❤❤❤❤ wowzers
Creep
The amount of simping for the women is SAD
naaaaaaah
movies are just bad
RRR is three hours long but i saw it three times, which i ever did with less than 10 films. it's a good movie so 3 hours feel like 10 minutes
a lot of oscarbait garbage foes for 90 min but feel like 4 hours
I like clint and adrian and peter and veronica and amy and her sister and the others more than the others in the world retro world.and I even dont think my opinion on this matters but I think you guys among all should not try to impress you tube algorithms I mean the things which are needed to be seen by the people who need to see them will be seen eventually so if the upper commercial and policy side sucks at least at the moment and it's not seems to be fair so you shouldn't give a damn about it .
I think David (8 bit guy) had a point that the sponsorship stuff is a slippery slope in that it can affect the quality of a channel. Love or hate him he was spittin' facts.
@@rommix0 I like david anyway .I just forgot his name for peter :D at the moment of writing this I don't know why.
UA-camrs are really good in sitting down. Or are they just too lazy to work?
50:32 that was me running around with google glass! i met June earlier in the day on Saturday after they saw me with it on. heck, they even waved me down just so we can talk about it! thanks for sharing your stories and signing the Glass box :) @NybblesandBytes
I miss the table. I don't want to look up Murray's cut off jeans.
There is an introduction to this video that explains why the camera placement and framing is from that angle.
@@JimLeonardVeronica saved the day. :)
It turns me on, actually.
@@JimLeonard Doesn't explain the lack of table, though.
@@fractalMD Indeed! Yay for Veronica!