The price of the Windtalker item is 1920 gold. This item has +40% attack speed, 20+ movement speed and 10+ crit chance. This Windtalker item has a unique typhoon passive, after 4 basic attacks it can inflict 125 magic damage on 3 opponents.
Silence! No one cares for the tiny drop of your magic but players mostly buy you for the attack speed . I have 9k matches but after reaching 6k matches i came to know that you can also do some tiny drop of crite damage
What makes natan even greater is that he deals magic dmg, thus making other marksmen trying to counter natan a bit harder as wind of nature doesn’t block magic dmg.. so they have to sacrifice a spot for Athena shield.. and with his ult that can clone himself, he can push turrets and end bases 4x faster than other marksmen.. i don’t think he’s that good as jungler compared to before with his cooldown being nerfed, but i’d say he’s relatively decent as long as u know how to position well with him
@@harinchetan4701 he claps Kimmy in 1v1, speaking from experience. But Kimmy is a little more chill going hero and safer to play whilst Natan is a get inside hero
Natan is a pure snowball hero just like Layla. Only one escape skill with a delay and long cd, no backup skill, really vulnerable to ganks but having damage of mass destruction.
Yep and his damage can't be blocked by any equipment besides winter truncheon, even if the enemy has radiant armor they still get melted by him but he is also an easy to counter hero in this meta with all the dive and utility type junglers. So he is only viable in certain comps or if you are playing with friends who know how to protect him, But yes he is extremely deadly is played well
His ultimate has a slight delay which makes him vulnerable against burst heroes and cc chain enemies.But i do think with a proper support and team set up,he can be deadly.
I find natan are more easy and better to use than Kimmy. Also I think the reason why natan is less more popular because of Layla, since they buff Layla more lower rank level are picking her from legend to gm. I also noticed her getting picked on mythic maybe because Layla is popular on the internet memes and since she got buffed more people got a reason to use her
Fun fact, in mythoc there are no longer meme mms but instead unviable fighters. The usual meme mms, hanabi layla and lesley are pretty strong when given to a decent player, lesley's high damage ceilling, layla's extended range, and hanabi's 1st skill are no laughing matter but they all fall short on mobility, especially layla. Lesley has her invis and god forsaken knockback while hanabi has her cc shield and 1st to compensate.
I used a Lightning Truncheon build with Flicker/Purify for mid natan. The build is like the average Xavier Pro Build but I swapped Enchanted Talisman with Feather of Heaven/Calamity Reaper. It's surprising good.
@@aki8577 Natan is def better simply because he can throw off kimmy. Sure she can kite but most ppl over rely on that one ability. Although very stupid and annoying with him being able to basically whiplash ppl he can throw them off and with kimmy you have ti be doing constant dmg or shes just not that good.
@@valiantwarrior1988It depends mostly on your Early Game, honestly. It also has happened to me how the damage normally is not as high compared to other people using him. (Found out Jungle Emblem is good but not that good on him)
The real reason because Natan became less popular is because of the popularity of other marksman like Hanabi, Layla and Melissa. Hanabi has cc immune, Layla has stun and high burst damage and Melissa's sustainability and high meltdown using the new marksman items, I mean she doesn't even need boots just like Wanwan and she can destroy any tanks in just a few seconds
As a natan main, i remember the day he is released because he isn't going to be pick in rank and always be ban because of conversion of physical pen to magic pen 😢
easily one of the best marksmen to counter meta marksmen rn, considering his basic attacks are magic damage so he can't be countered with wind of nature. the problem is you'd really need more practice using his ultimate. well, my problem is mostly inexperienced teammates so mostly end up with an mvp loss when using him.
I think the main reasons why Natan isn't as popular as last season is due to him being a harder marksman to use. Last season people were just trying him out and they were overreacting with his buff last season. It's pretty easy to counter him. Just use any assassin that could reach him or have a tank that prioritizes him. His damage is solid but my problem is still his sustainability and the ability to escape any fights. He is played more like a traditional marksman where you actually have to wait for the right moment unlike Moskov who could dive in, stun and kill the opponent then back out. Natan is still my favorite as I've just gotten too comfortable with his skill set
Exactly the mobility is the main problem Any enemy who knows what they are doing can kill him But his sustainability is not bad Just built that concentrated energy+ inspire and boom u can easily sustain
@@wawny2300 you said it like a pro. Although you're right about how you can improve his sustainability. But compared to other marksman his lifesteal is kind of left behind
I've been playing natan before his phys conversion to magic was stopped, I have around 371 games, I usually played like this, S3 double tap directing where I'd want to go, s2 and they'll be cc'd then hit them with couple of basic and s1 I was usually successful if I did it right but takes practice especially the delay in the ult, now in the late game I use his ult to just escape because of such low cd
@@wawny2300 Yeah if they can decrease the animation for his clone to appear it will be better in order for him to have a proper escape option, but I would say that besides that he is a pretty balanced hero in the game rn
@@janinebelleestrada7096 Agreed my fastest natan play was just about 9 minutes I manage to keep the pressure till the last minute and boy oh boy it was glorious 🖤
I agree, I believe for a while he was the top banned in Mythic last season. Though towards the end, I think he was not in the top 6 banned in Mythic, or at least in the top 3. All I can say is he's still as powerful as he is, especially with the new Rose Gold. Tho in this season, I prio Melissa (who's in Mythic top bans) when I have the chance (and let teammates get Kimmy), and I do get wins/mvps with her. I think Natan's not picked just because of other popular meta heroes, though he can be a powerful surprise pick who can fast push and clear. I also think players find him squishy, which he is, but learning when to use defense items can make him work just like any other mm. (To me, Natan's builds are very situational, ex. when you need Divine Glaive and you need to replace one slot in his recom. build; ex. you need Immo/Athena and you should plan what atk items to replace). Moreover, to be effective, players should also learn to maximize his passive and especially his ult effects, which can be practiced little by little. Overall, Natan may not be top banned, but at least he's very very open!
It's not only about escape skill Natan is hard hero he is not like other mm if he used his ult at wrong time than he will be erased to oblivion ...Position is very crucial esp for Natan user cause of his ult also to make thing worse there is slight delay when using his ult which enemy can easily predict where his next movement can happen..
Natan is insane if your team is able to get the gold lead quickly being deadly through the mid-late game as mm. Best thing is that you can also use physical items on him (Eg,Golden staff,Wind of Nature and Dhs) which makes him deadly even to tanks since he can melt through enemies easily
@@tabriz5059 a snowball in my own understanding is that, everytime the snowball rolls overtime, it gets bigger and unstoppable. Which are the late game marksmans
It's hard when u get invaded in ur jg and ur team don't have minimap, same with gold ur enemy has roamer who babysits him then they freeze wave, ur roamer is busy somewhere else 😂
Even than there is no guarantee that y gonna win but picking meta hero just give u more probability of winning that's it..and i know that cause i always play solo
Natan also a hero that quite difficult to use. His skills requires good timing to cast especially his Ult. You'll be screwed if you're click on the second phase on the bad timing or location. Although his First skill is a good early game long ranged poke and the late game nuke all thanks to it's cast range, however still hard to aim as Beatrix's sniper. Therefore, it still requires a lot of practice time for better accuracy.
99% people in comment talk like they are pro natan player😂 as natan main i felt that his dps increased but burst dmg is decreased here is the reasons why natan fell of 1 with last few adjustment many people couldnt find right build 2 right after becoming magic builder he was too weak and many people still think he is weak 3 people are building trinity build and its not his core items 4 people compare natan and kimmy
Natan gave me my first savage this season. I'm honestly surprised I don't see him that often anymore, but I guess that's fine because that means I can pick him easily when no one in our team wants to marksman. What I love about him is that he still hits like a truck, can take down objectives pretty fast, and can't be countered by wind of nature.
This season I'm going for natan main. Right now I'm at mythic IV just straight up using natan everytime. Let me tell you this, I got my new long Winstreak of 17. He is really op especially with the mixture of the item feather of heaven and golden staff. Here is some tip, if you want to know how to build up natan fast, you should build feather of heaven and golden staff item first, it gives him a speed attack advantage with inspire, it's also good if your going to use retri so that you can substitute inspire. Also natan is very strong in mid-late game. You can easily 1 v 5 enemy if you have a massive gold advantage. Edit: Also here is the build I'm using -Magic shoes(it's up to you I recommend physical/magic defense boots) -feather of heaven -Golden staff -concentrated energy(for lifesteal, it's better than using haas claw.) -divine glaive(Penetrate magic def so you can kill tanks easily, also with the speed advantage of the first 2 speed items.) -Fleeting time(This is my secret item, it's up to you on whatever item you want to replace it. I prefer this cause when you have blue buff, it's almost as if you have no CD ult. After you use your ult, you only get like 4-5 second cooldown or even 2-3 with emblem build.)
Alright the reason why this hero got popular: His damage is now "Based" on magic which makes him strong. He can be used in 4 Lanes (Yes, EXP LANE WORKS) Windchant is USELESS against this boi (except hybrid build users like me) One of the FASTEST pushers in the game in Early/Late He stands his ground in Early/Late His true weapon is his "CC" that makes him less worrying on tanks and last, BOI HIS DAMAGE WITH TRINITY IS DAMN HIGH (This trinity is different) (Use Feathers, Demon, and Golden Staff) His Weaknesses: A lot of people knew how to counter him now. Long Ranges outclass this boi (Unless hiding in bush) Ganking him in early game makes it hard for him to fight back) As every MMs, he has low amount of escapes (please buff his ult so he can switch twice) He gets countered by Assasins or Tanks Wanwan and Lesley counters him so hard. And a few slight craps on the collector skin. (I don't this this is important but if moonton will read this comment, please FIX this) He is one of the Collector skins who has realistic effects on "Intro and ULT" but DAMN he has one of the worst effects on 1st and 2nd. He has a similar design to Xavier (needs and rework on color tone) Remake 1st and 2nd skill to fit his "TIDAL LORD" theme His first skill could be a "Giant Fish" and his 2nd could be a "Shark" (Please do not remake the ult) He has Monocles which makes me love his starlight more. Thanks if you read this comment! (I want his elite skin to finish my collection)
A few more cons. He is good on jungling if you have good aim since he needs those stacks on atk speed He NEEDS inspire if you have low knowledge on Natan's passive
I don't think wanwan or Lesley is good counter heroes cause he is trickster it depends on players but assassin like saber is more of problem also mages with long range like pharsa for eg cause their early game damage is so painful ...his main problem is his ult delay man everyone can predict his movement and he is vulnerable when using ult esp against burst heroes
Natan is alright, people just realized that melissa attack effect build is busted and that's basically it. Still below brody and beatrix on early to mid and on par with claude moskov on late imo.
I feel like natan, when not super strong, is unfortunately very easily countered, and then he just goes to limbo again. They should nerf his late a bit but give him more tools to protect himself, like when you could active his ultimate more than once. The way he is now if you're behind you do next to nothing in a fight and then die.
Why nerf his late game when you said he isn't super strong. I think he is balanced now. Most marksman are unviable because of stronger assassins that can get to the backline easier. The only marksman with no weakness is wanwan because in the right hands she can wipe your team with one Ultimate. I seriously sweat hard after one game where I got a savage from wanwan on rank before escaping legend. All marksman are good in the right hands and are not too strong or too weak and they are used depending on the composition. Like how melissa is used against poke marksmen like lesley, moskov and layla. While brody is used when team has a good frontliners and a decent pishing ability. While popol and kupa are very effective against ambush types like lesley and miya or ambush type assassins. While bruno is a good counter against other crit marksman because his crit damage can two hit you in 1 second. While clint is good against types like irithel,kimmy and popol. You get Marksman depends on the enemy compo. This is why adjusting is vital and that moonton should implement role prepicks and low tier draft bans
My natan build: demon boots, concentrated energy, golden staff, corrosion scythe, windtalker and either of these two divine glaive or shadow twin blades, mixed damage is always meta
Actually me is an natan pick last seasons but i stopped to use him in rank in solo because thete are so many heroes to bursted him down like saber but natan is good if you had a roam with good protection
I think natan is bettet suited as gold lane instead of jungle because of inspire spell, with inspire he will melt everyone as in everyone doesn't matter if you have radiant armor, and he is hard to counter by other marksman since he deal magic damage so he cant be countered by wind of nature
for me, he just became less popular when everyone realized as much of a big deal natan's buffs were, he was still more manageable compared to other meta heroes last season, kinda like i would rather face a natan than an arlott thing
i think this season most banned hero might be Atlas, almost all of my lobby is full of people banning Atlas everytime (It depends on some country because in Malaysia it is atlas)
Last season and this season he became my main hero❤...i wanna buy his starlight skin and collecter...😢 But i am poor wait for his starlight skin to get added in the starlight shop and i am jealous you got his starlight skin the best starlight skin in my opinion.....as well as Aamon starlight skin ....🎉
The most meta marksman is moskov. He's always picked and the team which has him always loses. Don't know if he got buffed recently or not. But he's still a first picked mm.🤯
I have not been playing him, even though hes a viable pick, i still prefer to play other mm, n by that i mean i prefer to play crit mm such a clint n lesley becuz i enjoh watching their health go from full to 10% in 2 shots
@@WalllOfNothing Natan is mid to late game hero bro what y talking about ...Natan is rarely picked cause he is hard to master even one mistake can send Natan to oblivion ull rarely find good Natan players ...Natan is just underrated tbh he was most banned hero before Nerf hit him hard if y dunno whereas Lesley is opposite cause she requires more item to shine hence she is late game hero same like Layla that's why Lesley is not prefered even after buff in high rank
I buy new phone when I try to sign in again I cannot , not only that I end up download the google play games and try to sign in but it end up using at the new ac ... 😤😤😤😤 how can I use the old ac plzz someone tell me😭😭😭😭 and I try facebook and other things but it end up sayin my ac for Facebook is disabled can someone plzz help me
It's probably due to the rise of tank setters. Not onlt that but Diggie has a good skillset for targeting the main threats, making it hard for them to escape except for heroes like benedetta yss etc.
His aoe 1st skill, and the same way with other current mm jg, he has a good early game power spike once he gets dhs while also increasing his farm rate significantly
I guess why he's not pick for MPL maybe if naggogold plating or push nde sya other mm na straight to turret parang hanabi na naka autocast bounce na nde maoff but high in clear wave, it is better to put him I guess in midlane since goldlane is much favor for physical type and you wouldn't want to put physical type hero in midlane not unless in 5man
1:23 That Miya is so chill
thats our solo q miya
@@chubbyp4nda Not blaming someone after their death, doesn’t feed, and cautious about their surroundings, I can guarantee shes a Chill Person
@@jmem1747 true lmao
Fun fact: Elgin only use natan's ultimate 2nd phase once
Now that's a fun fact
nope it's twice, 1:50 and 9:18
And he use wind of nature properly once at the end
He used his ultimate 2nd skill multiple times
well elgin only use the 2nd phase on requirement damage and for escape
The price of the Windtalker item is 1920 gold. This item has +40% attack speed, 20+ movement speed and 10+ crit chance. This Windtalker item has a unique typhoon passive, after 4 basic attacks it can inflict 125 magic damage on 3 opponents.
Thank you windtalker for your wind talk
The windtalker truly talks
What's the point????
Silence! No one cares for the tiny drop of your magic but players mostly buy you for the attack speed . I have 9k matches but after reaching 6k matches i came to know that you can also do some tiny drop of crite damage
@@maxiissks6760 Bro the magic crit is like 1k plus when I put it on Argus.
What makes natan even greater is that he deals magic dmg, thus making other marksmen trying to counter natan a bit harder as wind of nature doesn’t block magic dmg.. so they have to sacrifice a spot for Athena shield.. and with his ult that can clone himself, he can push turrets and end bases 4x faster than other marksmen.. i don’t think he’s that good as jungler compared to before with his cooldown being nerfed, but i’d say he’s relatively decent as long as u know how to position well with him
Natan is a strange one to discuss. My thoughts on him is he is a worse Kimmy. However I cannot deny his tower destruction.
Jesus christ isoya hoe much free time do u have
@@harinchetan4701 Just forget about Kimmy he is completely different
U Just have to position properly like any other mm and boom
Also good thing about him is that Athena alone cannot Stop him
Natan with full stack and build can actually melt even tanks in no time
@@harinchetan4701 he claps Kimmy in 1v1, speaking from experience. But Kimmy is a little more chill going hero and safer to play whilst Natan is a get inside hero
Natan is a pure snowball hero just like Layla. Only one escape skill with a delay and long cd, no backup skill, really vulnerable to ganks but having damage of mass destruction.
Yep and his damage can't be blocked by any equipment besides winter truncheon, even if the enemy has radiant armor they still get melted by him but he is also an easy to counter hero in this meta with all the dive and utility type junglers. So he is only viable in certain comps or if you are playing with friends who know how to protect him,
But yes he is extremely deadly is played well
His ultimate has a slight delay which makes him vulnerable against burst heroes and cc chain enemies.But i do think with a proper support and team set up,he can be deadly.
precisely said, with a good set though he's straight up unstoppable. Annoying part is no mm can 1v1 Natan with wind chant
Natan is broken even in solo q. yesterday I did two maniac and one savage with him in 3 games. savage was 2v5 in 11minutes.
@@SynysterKelvin no bro Natan is not broken he is viable but no way broken getting maniac or savage doesn't make that hero broken
@@SynysterKelvin This is what happens to me when I get an actual good solo queue teammate or if I am in the zone.
@@SynysterKelvin i am not say he is broken atm.But he will definitely broken if they reduce the cooldown of his ult.
It hurts me everytime that Elgin didn't use Natan's 2nd phase even when it was an enemy waiting to be killed by his 2nd phase
I swear, especially at 4:15 he couldve escaped as soon as he saw saber
@@shashankaj1750 i think he are believe badang could save him in time but in fact it didnt happen
I find natan are more easy and better to use than Kimmy. Also I think the reason why natan is less more popular because of Layla, since they buff Layla more lower rank level are picking her from legend to gm. I also noticed her getting picked on mythic maybe because Layla is popular on the internet memes and since she got buffed more people got a reason to use her
Layla is not a meme anymore, she can be considered a decent pick. Not meta but good
Agreed, because of Layla, i too left natan.
Agree. Jst babysit her for first 5 mins. She will be a monster later.
Fun fact, in mythoc there are no longer meme mms but instead unviable fighters.
The usual meme mms, hanabi layla and lesley are pretty strong when given to a decent player, lesley's high damage ceilling, layla's extended range, and hanabi's 1st skill are no laughing matter but they all fall short on mobility, especially layla. Lesley has her invis and god forsaken knockback while hanabi has her cc shield and 1st to compensate.
@@rachelle3796 Lesley true dmg is a night- mare, and hanabi basic attacks is the reason i cant clear minions on time.
5:28 man u nullified natalaia's DMG using that windchat, such a move
Can't never be careless when Natalie is waiting for you
🗿🗿🗿
I will forever missed Physical attack natan, plus he's crit build and especially in my heart
*Natan segway strat*
He's more deadly with magic damage now
Natan was never "physical". He always deal magic dmg even if u pick physical item.
@@Ryuji006 well he was used to build on physical item because of crit and physical pen convert to magic pen that's why malefic roar was once his item.
@Ryuji eventually you're wrong Natan was using Physical items tho since he's released.
For me i'm still using Critical build on Natan combine with Magic and Atk Speed items.😁
Natan is good in mid lane too
Natan is Basically a Better Kimmy
@@plskillmath nah kimmy still better. Good DPS + Slow + Can kite. But if natan version that was first release then that one is definitely better.
@@plskillmath Kimmy is better but Natan is a beast in a teamfight if there is no saber in enemy
I used a Lightning Truncheon build with Flicker/Purify for mid natan. The build is like the average Xavier Pro Build but I swapped Enchanted Talisman with Feather of Heaven/Calamity Reaper. It's surprising good.
@@aki8577 Natan is def better simply because he can throw off kimmy. Sure she can kite but most ppl over rely on that one ability. Although very stupid and annoying with him being able to basically whiplash ppl he can throw them off and with kimmy you have ti be doing constant dmg or shes just not that good.
Natan is usually always a great pick for me, high dmg, can snowball, can cc and be annoying, has high burst dmg and an emergency blink just in case
hey have you been in a situation where for some reason you aren't feeling Natans damage? Idk I've been there once and I was shocked the entire game
@@valiantwarrior1988 did u use a physical build?
@@zenaku924 na uh, I'm aware of the changes implemented on him. Physical damage doesn't work on him no more
@@valiantwarrior1988It depends mostly on your Early Game, honestly. It also has happened to me how the damage normally is not as high compared to other people using him.
(Found out Jungle Emblem is good but not that good on him)
@@valiantwarrior1988 Yes, Physical sucks but BOI DHS WORKS WELL
The real reason because Natan became less popular is because of the popularity of other marksman like Hanabi, Layla and Melissa. Hanabi has cc immune, Layla has stun and high burst damage and Melissa's sustainability and high meltdown using the new marksman items, I mean she doesn't even need boots just like Wanwan and she can destroy any tanks in just a few seconds
As a Lolita player, I can say that Natan is quite easy to counter. As long as you know where Natan will use Ultimate again, you can make him useless.
and just buy radiant to counter him lol
As a natan main, i remember the day he is released because he isn't going to be pick in rank and always be ban because of conversion of physical pen to magic pen 😢
easily one of the best marksmen to counter meta marksmen rn, considering his basic attacks are magic damage so he can't be countered with wind of nature. the problem is you'd really need more practice using his ultimate. well, my problem is mostly inexperienced teammates so mostly end up with an mvp loss when using him.
I think the main reasons why Natan isn't as popular as last season is due to him being a harder marksman to use. Last season people were just trying him out and they were overreacting with his buff last season. It's pretty easy to counter him. Just use any assassin that could reach him or have a tank that prioritizes him. His damage is solid but my problem is still his sustainability and the ability to escape any fights. He is played more like a traditional marksman where you actually have to wait for the right moment unlike Moskov who could dive in, stun and kill the opponent then back out. Natan is still my favorite as I've just gotten too comfortable with his skill set
Exactly the mobility is the main problem
Any enemy who knows what they are doing can kill him
But his sustainability is not bad Just built that concentrated energy+ inspire and boom u can easily sustain
@@wawny2300 you said it like a pro. Although you're right about how you can improve his sustainability.
But compared to other marksman his lifesteal is kind of left behind
I've been playing natan before his phys conversion to magic was stopped, I have around 371 games, I usually played like this, S3 double tap directing where I'd want to go, s2 and they'll be cc'd then hit them with couple of basic and s1 I was usually successful if I did it right but takes practice especially the delay in the ult, now in the late game I use his ult to just escape because of such low cd
@@shashankaj1750 yeah his ult has a bit of delay. At first I thought it was like Claude 2nd skill
@@wawny2300 Yeah if they can decrease the animation for his clone to appear it will be better in order for him to have a proper escape option, but I would say that besides that he is a pretty balanced hero in the game rn
Natan is currently one of my favourite Marksman right now he can easily turn the tides if played correctly
If natan manages to snowball faster you can end the game quickly before the enemy marksman gets their 3rd core item
@@janinebelleestrada7096 Agreed my fastest natan play was just about 9 minutes I manage to keep the pressure till the last minute and boy oh boy it was glorious 🖤
Props to that Valir for apologizing as he stole the savage of Elgin...
I agree, I believe for a while he was the top banned in Mythic last season. Though towards the end, I think he was not in the top 6 banned in Mythic, or at least in the top 3.
All I can say is he's still as powerful as he is, especially with the new Rose Gold. Tho in this season, I prio Melissa (who's in Mythic top bans) when I have the chance (and let teammates get Kimmy), and I do get wins/mvps with her.
I think Natan's not picked just because of other popular meta heroes, though he can be a powerful surprise pick who can fast push and clear. I also think players find him squishy, which he is, but learning when to use defense items can make him work just like any other mm. (To me, Natan's builds are very situational, ex. when you need Divine Glaive and you need to replace one slot in his recom. build; ex. you need Immo/Athena and you should plan what atk items to replace). Moreover, to be effective, players should also learn to maximize his passive and especially his ult effects, which can be practiced little by little.
Overall, Natan may not be top banned, but at least he's very very open!
Welp,natan it's hard because he do not have short escape skill like others assassin
He can push enemy away, and his ult is short for an ult
It's not only about escape skill Natan is hard hero he is not like other mm if he used his ult at wrong time than he will be erased to oblivion ...Position is very crucial esp for Natan user cause of his ult also to make thing worse there is slight delay when using his ult which enemy can easily predict where his next movement can happen..
Natan is insane if your team is able to get the gold lead quickly being deadly through the mid-late game as mm.
Best thing is that you can also use physical items on him (Eg,Golden staff,Wind of Nature and Dhs) which makes him deadly even to tanks since he can melt through enemies easily
Natan can easily snowball the match if he is used properly. That's why he is still a viable pick rn
What's snowball?
@@tabriz5059 a snowball in my own understanding is that, everytime the snowball rolls overtime, it gets bigger and unstoppable. Which are the late game marksmans
@@tabriz5059 It's when a hero dominated from early and will continue to dominate until the end of the game, or until a mistake was made
It's hard when u get invaded in ur jg and ur team don't have minimap, same with gold ur enemy has roamer who babysits him then they freeze wave, ur roamer is busy somewhere else 😂
I think you should use ulti Natan behind Natan,ulti Natan works like flicker and you can use 2nd phase ulti for retreat when enemy comes to you
every heroes is pickable if you play with your squad , a trio or full team , but if you play solo or duo just pick a meta heroes please
Even than there is no guarantee that y gonna win but picking meta hero just give u more probability of winning that's it..and i know that cause i always play solo
Imo, any hero is viable, it just really comes down to the player if they can play that hero well enough
First viewer..shout out to next video❤
The thing is Natan can be bursted before he can even use his ult and enemy run away from him when u use ult
Natan also a hero that quite difficult to use. His skills requires good timing to cast especially his Ult. You'll be screwed if you're click on the second phase on the bad timing or location. Although his First skill is a good early game long ranged poke and the late game nuke all thanks to it's cast range, however still hard to aim as Beatrix's sniper. Therefore, it still requires a lot of practice time for better accuracy.
Respect to the valir who said sorry when he stole the savage
He even said sorry in results screen as well. Truly respectable moment. Lots of people would laugh if they steal Maniac/Savage.
99% people in comment talk like they are pro natan player😂 as natan main i felt that his dps increased but burst dmg is decreased here is the reasons why natan fell of 1 with last few adjustment many people couldnt find right build 2 right after becoming magic builder he was too weak and many people still think he is weak 3 people are building trinity build and its not his core items 4 people compare natan and kimmy
Natan gave me my first savage this season. I'm honestly surprised I don't see him that often anymore, but I guess that's fine because that means I can pick him easily when no one in our team wants to marksman. What I love about him is that he still hits like a truck, can take down objectives pretty fast, and can't be countered by wind of nature.
This season I'm going for natan main. Right now I'm at mythic IV just straight up using natan everytime. Let me tell you this, I got my new long Winstreak of 17. He is really op especially with the mixture of the item feather of heaven and golden staff. Here is some tip, if you want to know how to build up natan fast, you should build feather of heaven and golden staff item first, it gives him a speed attack advantage with inspire, it's also good if your going to use retri so that you can substitute inspire. Also natan is very strong in mid-late game. You can easily 1 v 5 enemy if you have a massive gold advantage.
Edit: Also here is the build I'm using
-Magic shoes(it's up to you I recommend physical/magic defense boots)
-feather of heaven
-Golden staff
-concentrated energy(for lifesteal, it's better than using haas claw.)
-divine glaive(Penetrate magic def so you can kill tanks easily, also with the speed advantage of the first 2 speed items.)
-Fleeting time(This is my secret item, it's up to you on whatever item you want to replace it. I prefer this cause when you have blue buff, it's almost as if you have no CD ult. After you use your ult, you only get like 4-5 second cooldown or even 2-3 with emblem build.)
I don't use Fleeting sorry (15 sec is enough), i use DHS for tanks cause they counter me with their tanky builds
@@the-luck-hunter Yeah its also good but I prefer using fleeting time for unlimited ult and also additional magic damage.
Speaking of one of the fastest heroes who can kill lord fast.. I think attack speed build Old Karina takes that number 1 spot
I believe the buff inspire makes moskov and miya more popular than Natan which makes his pick lower
Alright the reason why this hero got popular:
His damage is now "Based" on magic which makes him strong.
He can be used in 4 Lanes (Yes, EXP LANE WORKS)
Windchant is USELESS against this boi (except hybrid build users like me)
One of the FASTEST pushers in the game in Early/Late
He stands his ground in Early/Late
His true weapon is his "CC" that makes him less worrying on tanks
and last, BOI HIS DAMAGE WITH TRINITY IS DAMN HIGH (This trinity is different) (Use Feathers, Demon, and Golden Staff)
His Weaknesses:
A lot of people knew how to counter him now.
Long Ranges outclass this boi (Unless hiding in bush)
Ganking him in early game makes it hard for him to fight back)
As every MMs, he has low amount of escapes (please buff his ult so he can switch twice)
He gets countered by Assasins or Tanks
Wanwan and Lesley counters him so hard.
And a few slight craps on the collector skin. (I don't this this is important but if moonton will read this comment, please FIX this)
He is one of the Collector skins who has realistic effects on "Intro and ULT" but DAMN he has one of the worst effects on 1st and 2nd.
He has a similar design to Xavier (needs and rework on color tone)
Remake 1st and 2nd skill to fit his "TIDAL LORD" theme
His first skill could be a "Giant Fish" and his 2nd could be a "Shark" (Please do not remake the ult)
He has Monocles which makes me love his starlight more.
Thanks if you read this comment! (I want his elite skin to finish my collection)
A few more cons.
He is good on jungling if you have good aim since he needs those stacks on atk speed
He NEEDS inspire if you have low knowledge on Natan's passive
I don't think wanwan or Lesley is good counter heroes cause he is trickster it depends on players but assassin like saber is more of problem also mages with long range like pharsa for eg cause their early game damage is so painful ...his main problem is his ult delay man everyone can predict his movement and he is vulnerable when using ult esp against burst heroes
Great I'm gonna see lots of Natan again later when I play rank
Natan is alright, people just realized that melissa attack effect build is busted and that's basically it. Still below brody and beatrix on early to mid and on par with claude moskov on late imo.
I feel like natan, when not super strong, is unfortunately very easily countered, and then he just goes to limbo again. They should nerf his late a bit but give him more tools to protect himself, like when you could active his ultimate more than once. The way he is now if you're behind you do next to nothing in a fight and then die.
Why nerf his late game when you said he isn't super strong. I think he is balanced now. Most marksman are unviable because of stronger assassins that can get to the backline easier. The only marksman with no weakness is wanwan because in the right hands she can wipe your team with one Ultimate. I seriously sweat hard after one game where I got a savage from wanwan on rank before escaping legend. All marksman are good in the right hands and are not too strong or too weak and they are used depending on the composition. Like how melissa is used against poke marksmen like lesley, moskov and layla. While brody is used when team has a good frontliners and a decent pishing ability. While popol and kupa are very effective against ambush types like lesley and miya or ambush type assassins. While bruno is a good counter against other crit marksman because his crit damage can two hit you in 1 second. While clint is good against types like irithel,kimmy and popol. You get Marksman depends on the enemy compo.
This is why adjusting is vital and that moonton should implement role prepicks and low tier draft bans
In my opinion..he can shine more when in gold lane..with trinity build but change corrosion scythe to feather of heaven
The slow will be more helpful than FoH's unique passive which barely provides dmg boosts as that would be your only magic item
Don't ever pair DHS with feather of heaven. DHS passive deals physical damage while feather passive deals magic damage
I love to build Natan with mixing items with Magic,Critical and Atk Speed build for him.😁
It's not like he is not worth banning but there are just way too many troublesome heros so in some matchs we have no choice but to keep him open.
I think one of the reason natan become unpopular is the buff on atk speed item
My natan build: demon boots, concentrated energy, golden staff, corrosion scythe, windtalker and either of these two divine glaive or shadow twin blades, mixed damage is always meta
Yeah, make sure you play him, before they nerfs it! Natan user here! 🤭
Hey Natan pro ❤
He damages output and atk speed is no joke but the problem is he is too squishy, mage and exp lane could burst him out in second.
Natan keep getting banned from last season that's the reason why
How about triple wand natan? Is it atk speed build more effective?
The thing that i like about natan is that he can be any damage type, He can be a Tank killer, Burst damage, And Critical damage.
Have you tried his usual magic core items with Scarlet+Berserker? His damage output with basic attacks is insane.
@@belial_gbf I did.
Actually me is an natan pick last seasons but i stopped to use him in rank in solo because thete are so many heroes to bursted him down like saber but natan is good if you had a roam with good protection
I think natan is bettet suited as gold lane instead of jungle because of inspire spell, with inspire he will melt everyone as in everyone doesn't matter if you have radiant armor, and he is hard to counter by other marksman since he deal magic damage so he cant be countered by wind of nature
Granger is gaining popularity again... As a main user, I want him to stay under the radar so I can still happily pick him in rank
People just noticed how good natan is he carried me to mythic easily iwas surprised no one was banning him even though he is that good
His pretty OP against physical heroes if he uses WindChant while his attacks can't be countered
Fun Fact: Any hero even someone like me can get a maniac with is definitely op.
I think people has adjusted to counter natan thats why he is less banned.
BStrix's pick rate also dropped. But these 2 are still good and can go toe to toe with this season's popular MMs.
that is because kimmy is dominating RG now. They choose to pick assasins that can counter kimmy rather than natan.
for me, he just became less popular when everyone realized as much of a big deal natan's buffs were, he was still more manageable compared to other meta heroes last season, kinda like i would rather face a natan than an arlott thing
i think this season most banned hero might be Atlas, almost all of my lobby is full of people banning Atlas everytime (It depends on some country because in Malaysia it is atlas)
i prefer Natan on gold lane, and its nice against Atlast. and against moscov can hold on its own
I have like 10 games with Natan and a 90% win rate even though I didn't read any of his skills. Definitely should be considered a meta pick.
Use atk speed item to make his basic attack faster
Use magic pen item to make his skill stronger
props to diggie for negating a lot of atlas' ult
What do I need to turn on in the settings in order to have the items that I bought bar below the map?
Where can I see the data of the most picked and banned hero?
Bro why'd you take the turtle when u coudve waited for lord like a few seconds later?
I use him before the nerf and after the released of him,I think the old physical benefits more hurting than mage.
Fun fact:Natan isn't popular because he can't 1v1 the base anymore 😂
Build radiant armor and he's damage are gone! But he's good on non hard cc heroes
Elgin try USING magic burn built
Last season and this season he became my main hero❤...i wanna buy his starlight skin and collecter...😢 But i am poor wait for his starlight skin to get added in the starlight shop and i am jealous you got his starlight skin the best starlight skin in my opinion.....as well as Aamon starlight skin ....🎉
How the heck is claude affective at jungling answer me elgin
the same thing can be said for edith...
plus she got her starlight skin and i still see no videos about her
The most meta marksman is moskov. He's always picked and the team which has him always loses. Don't know if he got buffed recently or not. But he's still a first picked mm.🤯
I think when the towers got their buff natan became less popular
why dont u use your ultimate while using it so your other skill CD will cd fast
Because Kimmy is slowly climbing the leaderboard huhu and i feel so sad and there is possibility that she will get nerf😭
Diggie just countered 4 of the enemy heroes and made them near useless specifically Atlas.
When will the Natan starlight skin resell?
I have not been playing him, even though hes a viable pick, i still prefer to play other mm, n by that i mean i prefer to play crit mm such a clint n lesley becuz i enjoh watching their health go from full to 10% in 2 shots
Did Nathan get Nerfed? Why is he rarely picked now?
he still doesn't feel as fun as he used to be when he was first released. being forced to go golden staff feels terrible
Yes,Natan is good but if there's Lesley on enemy team it's not recommended
Lol i can easily counter Lesley Lesley is problem only in late game and in higher rank late game barely happens
@@sam.r8610 the same as Natan.There's a reason why both of them isn't high picked hero in Mythic and higher rank
@@WalllOfNothing Natan is mid to late game hero bro what y talking about ...Natan is rarely picked cause he is hard to master even one mistake can send Natan to oblivion ull rarely find good Natan players ...Natan is just underrated tbh he was most banned hero before Nerf hit him hard if y dunno whereas Lesley is opposite cause she requires more item to shine hence she is late game hero same like Layla that's why Lesley is not prefered even after buff in high rank
I guess he become less popular is because he can't benefit with crit build anymore since they lowered his attack scaling
Hes good but I don't really play him anymore beacuse solo q is pretty hard with natan and if you have to carry
I just straight up banned him whenever I had the chance cause it's pretty hard to deal with him in the late game and I don't want to play him😂😂
Is it better to play natan in jungle, gold, or mid
how to put equipment bar below the mini map?
5:29 advance panic hahaha
Claude with vengeance is hard to face
Last season i went from legend 3 to mythic placement with just natan
I don't like natan core, I use inspire on him and prioritize tower
he got removed from ban list due to other heroes getting more annoying to deal with
Why didn't u use his ultimate to dash around
I buy new phone when I try to sign in again I cannot , not only that I end up download the google play games and try to sign in but it end up using at the new ac ... 😤😤😤😤 how can I use the old ac plzz someone tell me😭😭😭😭 and I try facebook and other things but it end up sayin my ac for Facebook is disabled can someone plzz help me
why do i see diggie being pick so lately
It's probably due to the rise of tank setters. Not onlt that but Diggie has a good skillset for targeting the main threats, making it hard for them to escape except for heroes like benedetta yss etc.
NICE detailed and info!!! THANKS!!!
Why is claude viable in jg?
His aoe 1st skill, and the same way with other current mm jg, he has a good early game power spike once he gets dhs while also increasing his farm rate significantly
Prolly coz he has faster farm to get DHS unlike in gold lane
I guess why he's not pick for MPL maybe if naggogold plating or push nde sya other mm na straight to turret parang hanabi na naka autocast bounce na nde maoff
but high in clear wave, it is better to put him I guess in midlane since goldlane is much favor for physical type and you wouldn't want to put physical type hero in midlane not unless in 5man
Natan us Abit vulnerable in early game because y'know "marksman" is still a marksman,you just have to play him well.