JUDO vs Jiu jitsu Sub Grappling TEAM FINAL
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Strikeforce Jujitsu vs Christchurch Judo School
5 person open weight TEAM EVENT, 9 teams
SURVIVOR SERIES
Winner stays, fight any order, flip to see who starts, other team matches.
Throws dont count, nor holds. No heel hooks or neck/spine locks.
(but do-jime was scored..???? Isn't that a spine-crush??
We lost 2-0 Dojime-waaaah with 3 draws) 9 teams (2 judo)
In event of a team draw, rematch 1 fighter with position points from BJJ rules, (& throws scored?)
Jason is a judo coach but fought on (slightly controversial) winning Strikeforce BJJ team. (we welcome a spot for you on our team next year Jason...)
www.chchma.co.nz/
1st fight judoka Kerry in white
2nd fight judoka Andrew in blue
3rd fight both are judoka
4th fight judoka in black Andrei
5th fight judoka Peter in white
Kid gets pwned at 3:39. Best takedown of the night!
FYI judo has been around over 120 years A free fighting (not set routine combative system) was unique. Judoka high grades taught Gracie family. Kimura defeated Helio. These are facts. Judo guys would be privileged to learn BJJ techniques, in the same way that BJJ guys learnt off Judoka.
Quality of BJJ groundwork not better than before in Universities. I trained 4 hours a day every day in Japan (3.5 to 8hrs on mat/day.)
BJJ widespread & that's good. Many on BJJ team judo trained/influenced.
Not sure if you realize it, but the guy that did the heel hook was actually the BJJ guy. The belting system is different, too. Typically purple belts would have around 6-8 years of training. A judo black belt may have around the same amount of time, too, but was graded differently. So, it's probably a pretty even match as far as years of training go.
No heel hooks were performed in this video as I see it. Care to share a timestamp? Thanks.
@@anonymousreviewer169 I just watched this again about 8 years later, haha. Straight ankle lock, not a heel hook.
@@eamonob84 Well, first of all, I'm glad you're still alive! And second, thanks for re-watching after so long. It was a straight ankle lock attempt I agree. How far have you progressed over the past 8 years? Did you stop or did you continue to train?
@@anonymousreviewer169 I was probably either a white belt or maybe brand new blue belt at the time I made that first comment. Brown belt now and still training! (Though dealing with a few injuries) How about you?
I love both Bjj and Judo.I do bjj but would also like to do judo and every time we do throws in bjj class i love it.
I think the big smile the player in the blue gi has on his face at the very beginning says it all. So many people think that bjj and judo are in a constant grudge match, but in reality there is much more camaraderie on the mat. You can't excel in either bjj or judo without good, teachable training partners.
Judo rules make judokas act fast in newaza, and this is awesome. That is why all these matches are spectacular and real. Good job, guys!
That's why Judo beats BJJ my dood. Can't just chill in your guard. Gotta hustle!!
Judoka's often win against BJJ practitioners under BJJ rules, but you'll never see a BJJ'er beat a Judoka in a Judo competition.
Never lol, that is a typical comment of a fanboi.
Nah more like the truth
yea you must not be watching the same videos, BJJ dominates Judo, a blue belt in bjj will handle a Jukoda. BJJ wins 95%, don't be but hurt.
marcofranco57 is that why Kimura destroyed and humiliated Gracie?
Go on UA-cam and you'll see plenty the gracies, machados, etc. Judokas got their ass' s spanked. Let be real.
02:23 with this lock I would have tapped in 2 seconds. And then there's master Spinks who mocks his opponent like saying "that's all you got?", then takes his leg and fights to the draw. Absolute legend!😂
Thanks. I like BJJ but prefer submission,because people adapt to become points fighters, rather than taking a victory. Judo is a prime example of that and has improved now we wiped the koka from scoring
A fighter that won by Ippons (KO victory) on one side of a draw compare another that competed not to lose on the other, koka small point , not risking attack, just countering. truly great fighters have a big attack capability and take risks towards success.
I see so what would be the difference if I had to describe it to somebody going for the submission vs bjj
I am a judo guy won and lost matches in open grappling matches against bjj it is about the thrill of competing having fun and pushing my limits respect for bjj
great challenge... keep pushing your self. Well done Karen
I have seen some excellent scientific Japanese judo studies. they are available online at Kodokan website.
@NZSambo
Olympics are not this year.
London 2012
Only 10 spots for 14 categories for Oceania based on world and Oceania rankings, and maximum of 1 entrant per country. Or by world ranking right of top 10? entrants qualifying by their top 10 status.
judo the best
it's interesting that the spine lock was ok in this competition. spine locks are typically banned at all levels in bjj tournaments.
There are basically two camps in Jiu-Jitsu. There is the Carlson and Rolls philosophy of aggressive competition based Jiu-Jitsu and then there is Helio Gracie's lineage and its emphasis on more self defense oriented Jiu-Jitsu with it's focus on patiently tiring your opponent out before you submit him (allowing him to chose how he will be defeated). Helio adapted the "early" teachings of Jodo (at that time called Jiu-Jitsu) to accommodate his small size and lack of strength. He found he could not do a lot of the throws that were taught so he kept the ones he could do and modified other's (as a result of being small he learned to become comfortable on his back, eg.). Like Kano he adapted a lot of the Jiu-Jitsu he learned to maximize leverage. He NEVER claimed to have invented Jiu-Jitsu he simply made it better in many respects. I leave the debating to the zealots.
we all improve the system in Judo, it's part of being informed as a teacher. Ju means adaptable. We are not studying correctly if we dont adapt. The question here is more was it correct to call the combative product of judo- jujitsu and name a school after one's self?
I think thats all good. To change the rules into a modern sport, from its combat base is also OK. The aggressive early marketing not so flash...But it was very effective. It has brought in $$$ and interest into an otherwise stagnating but popular Olympic sport. Marketing the self defense side...awesome!
The myth that helio had to adopted and change the judo techniques to make it work for a weaker man is hilarious.
Jigoro Kano the founder of Judo was only 5'2 and 125 pounds, and the majority of the Japanese people are not big people.....lol!
C.Duncan Sutherland the vast majority of Helios lineage are sport bjj now,it's Helios sons that emphasise self defence,a small minority of coaches.helio adapted nothing from judo,he developed a strategy for match fighting using judo techniques he learned from Carlos which included very few throws.there was nothing small or weak about Helios as seen from lots of old photos.
- were still living in mainland China and spoke their own dialect, probably a bit different than present day Nihonngo, where they migrated to a land of their own and started the Japanese Culture. It is why to this day we find KANJI (The Chinese Characters) in Japanese culture, that also includes the Heian Era of Japanese Dynasty... Japan has long been different from China for centuries now so it cannot give all thanks to it's martial arts evolution to the Chinese roots- Judo, Jujitsu and Aikido
I love pure judo...personal opinion.....
@NZSambo
Kano was great because he designed randori or free fighting.
He introduced a high performance young team to judo and swept away opposition. He introduced a time limit and a combat space.
He invented a lot of techniques, created a rule set, excluded a lot of inefficient techniques, fought to prove his combat effectiveness, developed his club, developed a winning team, networked and created schools judo,
I am a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner, and from what I have seen of the fights, I can speak, at least in the BJJ part, that the fighters do not seem to know much about the techniques of doing and guarding, as I have seen infantile mistakes that any beginner in the BJJ would know how to do it, it's unfortunate !!
Sure you are truly amazing, please post your video. It's unfortunate if you dont share your experiences. I certainly am a beginner in BJJ. Judo works at a faster rate on ground, and has referee interruptions that make long ground sequences and defensive attitudes challenging to keep newaza advancing. It has to be positive and developing. We are certainly beginners on leg locks.
Judo newaza is horrible regarding open and closed guard. Guard techniques were developed by Gracies heavily and are neglected in Judo.
@@oreocarlton3343 completely throwing kosen judo right the window, no? in 1920 closed and open guard techniques were already very developed. hell, the sankaku jime (triangle choke) was developed there. True that BJJ kept developing further.
Mind you, ude-garami from guard is, in BJJ, called "Kimura" for a reason
Edit: kimura didnt actually attack from guard, but they were well aware.
@@vittocrazi I talked specifically about IJF/Olypic Judo...and even there Judo guys have fantastic defense and generally are more athletic
It is much more common now for Judo practitioners and BJJ practitioners to cross-train.. Both schools compliment each other well, and has the feeling of a more complete martial art. Judo is very restrictive in the rules of competition, BJJ competition is all the stuff that you wish you could still do in Judo shiai .
David thomas Sadly true, but when I watch judo contest I get excited with the throwing. Cant say watching BJJ does that for me....
I think the referees need to be replaced and lose their control of the rule set. Once a group of administrative people gain control of the rules they dont want to let go. I personally know very few people who like the current leg grab rules, most think it as it is a backwards move for judo.
All about JUDO
Kodokan Judo has single leg, and double leg take downs. JJ rules are old school judo rules, and I love them. Don't get me wrong, I am a Judoka through and through, but I love the rules of BJJ.
All about JUDO When I say referees, I mean the admin referees from IJF level...not the club area or National referees
David thomas I agree with you and with All about JUDO The judo throws are amazing, I love watching how they do it and how they make it look so easy as if anyone can do it to anyone whenever they want. Technique is beautiful and I love the submissions bjj brings.
Nice thoughts Sienna three. The same goes for you, if you like BJJ why not check out the kosen judo dojo it originated from. The judo I grew up with and captured me spirit, has recently altered for the worse, that's why I lament it's demise. It was very inclusive, but allowing politicians and administrators not decision making positions can fundamentally shape the rules we have with our combat sport.
@luchador1764
What are you saying??? If you are implying that one martial art is less or more worthy than the other it is a misconception. Of course BJJ is new, and not anywhere near as popular as judo in the world, but it is growing. The olympics is hard to get into. Both martial arts stand in the rule sets. They are as good as their students.
Thanks Karl
Gareth had some amazing Judo coaches... he has nice judo...
Jason's current NZ champ mens open...
Demitri well, he's also a competent wrestling/russian judo coach. Great team, looking forward to awesome club developing
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu looks just like Judo, because it is Basically Just Judo. When Mitsuyo Maeda, a.k.a. "Conde Koma", began teaching Carlos Gracie in Belem do Para, Brazil in 1917, he was teaching Jigoro Kano's Jiu-Jitsu direct from the Kodokan in Japan. The name "Judo" was not popularized until 1925.
Mitsuyo Maeda was a Kodokan Judo instructor whose specialty was ground fighting (newaza). This type of ground-only fighting is often referred to as Kosen Judo, or High School Judo, because it was popularized in Japanese High Schools as a form of interscholastic wrestling. Kosen Judo rules allowed direct transition to newaza, enabling scenarios where one less skilled competitor could drag the other down to the ground (a tactic now known as "pulling-guard" in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu).
Francisco Aglairton dude, that's not right. Maeda named his art jiujitsu, because the Kodokan and Jigoro Kano forbid any competition participation based on money, so he had to name judo to jiujitsu! there is a book about him 'the toughest man who ever lived" or something like that. Also, Maeda trained with many wrestlers and catch-wrestlers, and studied some jiujitsu before his judo-journey, so his style was not authentic judo! but you are right, oldschool gracie jiujitsu is pretty much pre-world war 2 judo! if you look into todays BJJ-No-Gi Meta, it is completely different if you compare it to todays judo, fuck, even if you compare it to oldschool judo. todays No-Gi BJJ is more wrestling oriented, and boroughs techniques from all useful forms of martial arts like Catch-Wrestling, Sambo, Judo also, Wrestling, Luta Livre etc...
thanks God many of todays grapplers are way more open minded to techniques, especially thanks to Eddie Bravo, who helped grappling in general with EBI-rules!
best rules out there.
Bliblu Aha bjj no gi is paradox is like saying hanball football with hand.Also gracie fought in gi in vale tudo even in ufc, bjj no gi start in 90 es and luta livre praticioners help a lot they stated training in bjj after 1993 losses against bjj and ufc that gave popularity to bjj. No gi is just luta livre that come from catch but also it had adabt guard and sub only plus some philosophy of bjj and bjj rules
Francisco Bjj is a cheap, far less useful, rip-off of Judo newaza.
So Maeda taught the Gracie's Judo Newaza only?
Did the Gracies earn their black belt from Maeda?
Black belt in what?
Was Maeda authorized to award rank?
@@Zack1440 No. Modern BJJ has several things that Judo newaza does not and vice versa.
If any one value challenge than we should accept proposition at leas ones or twice a month open mat. Around the world people get together every week for training matches and every one may wrestle 3-5 competition style bouts. I not talking about randori but competition format with about 15-20 min rest for athletes. In eastern Europe we do it every week and often twice.
Nice roll, good to see it!
There should be another round with olympic judo rules just for second opinion...
NZ Sambo
Dear Demitri; Please note OLYMPICS are 2012 in London for Judo...
NOT 2010. That was the Winter Olympics we just had...???
Olympics are by selection through Oceania and Worlds points ranking...
Oceania has 10 slots for 14 weights,
notwithstanding someones right earnt by success at top 10 World ranking right of entry.
@luchador1764
Well, actually judo and BJJ are very similars.
Judo includes ground techniques named newaza.
I think that depends of the fighter skills.
Of course i dont use that fancy throws as a judoka, i prefer some effective feet sweeps.
Judo and BJJ are very fine.
thanks,
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About Randori - it is not free fighting, it is free wrestling.
No one punch or kick in Judo , so Judo can't be called fighting by English language definition.
About Kano - Great statement - some one (kano) who never perform himself invented lot of new technique…. Not wonder you people so great in Olympic Judo with kano innovation…...
@NZSambo
They were OK rules, no problem (I would prefer excluding can-opener spinelocks)
My BJJ gym cross trains with the Judo club on the same street.
Our cross competitions aren't as eventful as this, but they're still intense because of all the pride on the line lol
pride... and ego, good drivers of excellence but can be bad for personal development. We lost and it still hurts...lol
cual es cual 😆😬😬😬
@asquadbjj
BJJ is judo.
Rule set is different, but its almost the same sport.
Common teaching. The coach makes the difference& training environment.
Grading systems are very different This contest had weird rules for judoka to enter a BJJ contest under their rule set is an immediate disadvantage. Especially when they are not focussed on that rule set, but compete for fun and good spirit of shared lineage, your comment is disturbing.
Helio was taught judo, he didn't create a unique system.
amazing most of it are draw also both arts are good I like it very gentlemen sports not like karate you strike cause I study karate so I want to learn some of these fundamentals
choices choices choices...
I think that the feel of a judo class is a lot different to a takedown and groundwork class.
While we are far from Olympic level for most judoka we aspire to elevate our skills towards elite performance...
It's a significantly different headspace (way) to BJJ emphasis or MMA.
@sagaciousknight
Hi; some were judoka on Jujitsu team vs Judo team; so partly correct, however rule set falls outside judo rules so not judo....by definition from IJF referees commission, not a judo contest. no ans reqd.
this kinda demonstrates how superior bjj over judo is, bunch of judo black belts unable to beat white blue, and purple belts in bjj.... its pretty funny how the judoka goes for a heel hook... and every bjjer in the place laughs at his technique.
thank helio for bjj!!
@NZSambo
Kano Sensei was a jujitsu master, a leader in many areas. He proved himself in combat many times.
IJF rules are similar to All JapanJF rules in most areas.
Club coaches risk negligence, disciplinary action when accidents occur if they modify the Judo NZ rules set.
Rules are carefully considered, their consequences discussed at committee & coaches then modified by consensus.
This tournament is outside normal rules set, Jason K rules.
IJF ruleset is at senior Judo NZ tournaments.
Who are the first two competitors from your team? I can name them in annotations
BJJ!!
I just hope one day such organisation as NZJUDO, NZOWU turn towards BJJ and other kind of wrestling to share events and allowed cross participation, otherwise we would never develop combatitive sport evern close to world High performance level.
I see specific stylistic differences between Judoka from Japan, and USSR in the past. However recently I trained with some Russian Judoka who are current World medallists. Their style was typical and generic to current World trends.
However the Mongols who won gold last Olympic & team mates have a clearly different judo...under the IJF ruleset. Japanese Judo to some
In my country Malaysia, many bjj guys/girls come to judo dojo to learn Judo. They are wtih their bjj gi while learning judo.
@NZSambo Kano used the fireman throw back in the old days.
I think BJJ dont call it a spine lock, if the back is cranked in one direction only, comparing the receiver's chest and hip relative positions. Judo calls any pressure on the neck or back cranking a spine lock, but tolerates or ignores thereby allows a considerable lot of neck/shoulder locking. Lower back (hyper) flexion isnt tolerated in judo, like this technique.
Agree;
As you know membership of groups is paying the money.
The question we need to ask is if someone is already a member of one group. how much money would federations accept as a 2nd membership discount,
Judo is 12 months Wrestling is seasonal...
Judo was called Kano Jujutsu only in Brazil,it was known as Judo elsewhere in the world. They dominate them because they enter them,Judokas in general only want to compete in Judo tournaments.Why do they train BJJ in Japan? Why do they train GR wrestling,freestyle wrestling,catch wrestling,kempo,folkstyle,muay thai,kung fu in Japan? All of them non-Japanese arts? Here's the answer: They felt like it.
Was it very complicated to title who is judoka and who is BBJ fighter???
Thanks for the suggestion. No annotations any more on you tube, so I placed info in the description.
I thought they were mostly draws between judo black belts and lower ranked jj guys, yet jj won the only two that weren't draws.
the jj guy i fought was a medallist in the recent judo commonwealth games u100kg, lol.
the jj guy that won his match did so with dojime, a stomach triangle squeeze, a very dangerous technique illegal in judo for good reason. with the addition of a necklock this becomes a spine lock that was illegal in this tournament yet judged ok on the day????
chchjudoschool in bjj we consider that body triangle a control position not a sub attempt and it's just a way to control your opponent while applying the choke its not really spinal manipulation. What about the belt ranks? Judo was just not as good.
fungusjunky The jujitsu "low grades" had 2 judo black belts amongst them. This was a fun tourny with unusual rules. They were not better. The body triangle was so a submission attempt the way it was applied, felt like liver was going to explode...and the can opener feels like having your head pulled off, extreme pressure on the upper neck at the spine to skull joint. I asked the BJJer to apply the techniques on me after.
chchjudoschool no style is "better" they have different advantages, bjj has better ne waza, but judo has better nagi waza sometime tachi waza to, so rules have a lot to do with it.
That is a generalisation. Kosen judo that BJJ has developed out of is worthy of recognition.
Some info:
Jiu jitsu (or jujutsu) means: Ju/Jiu: Gentle jitsu/jutsu: (martial) Art--> The gentle Art
Judo: Ju: Gentle Do: Way/Philisophy--> The gentle Way
Now they sound alike dont they? Thats because they both come from the same school and have developed differently.
Judo focuses on throws and holding, while Jiu Jitsu focuses more on ground techniques. And both Arts are superior in their field. The Original Art had strikes and kicks, too. But since other systems did that better they specialized
classical jujitsu has many schools that throw but judo really developed this aspect by removing many strikes from contest.
Many of Judo's throws came from Kito Ryu Jujitsu, many were developed by Kano Sensei and students as a practicality from the new study of Randori or free fighting which characterized judo apart from jujitsu. BJJ shares this aspect and is very close to judo, more so than classical jujitsu because of this.
was there 4 BJJ teams in the tournament?
@PandawdyBob
Kosen Judo is the basis of BJJ
If you study from that school; you can specialize in groundwork, & be more competent at Judo newaza. Most judo clubs give equal or more status to standing fighting because it is more combat effective in our Martial Art.
Its not smart for self defence to do ground work as your head will likely get kicked in. As a sport we acknowledge this fact, need to get up quick. BJJ has sport following,Am impressed thats great. There are good&bad judo dojo.
If you are fighting two people you might get kicked in the head. But if you are fighting two or more people it doesn't matter the martial art that you train, you are probably going to lose. Unless you are going up against drunks or women or children.
Judo would loose bad to MT and Bjj combination.
When some people realize that the war between judo and bjj it's only on the internet his head it's going to explode, i practice both and there is only camaraderie between real judo players and bjj practitioners, some rivalry yes, but like in other competitive sports.
It should be only one sport imo - grappling with Gi, like ADCC.
I have 2 books on Russian Judo;
they show trends from Russian judoka that were influential on World Judo trends and stylistically unique from USSR
Entertaining fights, but wins with very dangerous and painfull techniques. Do-jime is forbidden for good reasons. From Point of view Do-jime should not be done in Sparring and only in save and controlled Kata. Furthermore there many failed throws just to get the fight to the ground, instead of throwing correctly.
+Nikyu Do you know anyone who has been injured by dojime?
I know it feels like internal organs are exploding with the pressure. I asked about it on the day and asked the expert jujitsu competitor to apply on me.
This argument gets so old. Regardless you get out what you put in. I've done judo for 25 years and BJJ for about 4. The techniques I've learned in BJJ aren't new but I'll say the emphasis on the guard game has improved a lot as well as just more newaza training partners who also focus on the guard. My judo newaza allows me a foot up on beginner grapplers. Overall I find judo more effective because I generally can throw and end up in an advantageous spot. I've met few straight BJJ guys with goo
@NZSambo
From your lofty scientific skyscraper us pathetic judo coaches look very small. Please go write your theories on some other site. You have had your say now, I dont want to block you, please do not ramble or become offensive and I can value your comments.
1st match white judo blue JJ, 2nd match blue Judo white JJ, 3rd match both Judo, 4th match black judo, blue n black Jujitsu (not BJJ) 5th white judo, blue n blk Jujitsu
WE USE THESE BELT ONLY IN COMPETITION THEY ARE ALL THE SAME LEVEL.
i would like to say that while yes we judo guys taught "them"... recent judo has turned to mush to try and stay as an olympic sport. and it degrades the sport to something similar to greko roman wrestling. ippons must be harder and newaza much longer. then its what judo was intended to be. bjj guys however have taught a lot of newaza.. i have learned lots of new ways to approach old techniques (however judo they are) from bjj guys. there should be no debt. we all want to learn. leave it as such
Which ones are the judokas and which ones are the bjj players... Im assuming the bjj players are the ones who pulled guard, but im not completely sure
IJF rules - Olympic Judo rules.
Time to learn deference between Olympic Judo and other Judos(including Kodokan one)
1. New Zealand have own Judo Rules which is not IJF (for kids).
2. You can make own Judo Contest rules - no one would oppose.
3. Technically speaking BJJ - is Judo, or Judo - is BJJ, Brazilians just refuse to change name when Kano change it. And kano did it for marketing and commercial purpose not performance. Hi was good administrator and useless combat expert and coach.
In essence, these fights show nothing more than a clash between *Traditional Judo vs. Contemporary Judo.*
To those Judoka who will read this: the issue "BJJ vs Judo" does not exist! Why? BJJ practitioners do the same techniques as Judoka does! Case in point: *KOSEN/NANATEI JUDO*
+kigawman Yes there is heaps of crossover the more we research it the closer it seems, yet rules can also grow apart systems and shape their development. As the rules are growing apart the differences will become even greater. In Christchurch many of the jiujitsu guys were judo trained for years, so it looks similar. Now they have developed their game and are more diversified.
All about JUDO
What I can say is that this business of crossover has come to a point that more people are now questioning the origins of Brazilian jiu-jitsu. The problem with Judo nowadays is that the world still in 1925-mindset and Senseis trying to change their perception with newaza. I am lucky to be in a club where they now have Kosen Judo and not only IJF/contemporary Judo. This is what needs to happen so that the survival of the sport will flourish!
We also like kosen judo.
We need a tournament circuit, to develop it.
All about JUDO
Look no further. If you scan some of the UA-cam videos, there was a mini-tournament that was done by Nanatei Judo representatives and some technical schools (I don't know if its in high-school or in college levels) in France almost 2 years ago. If you check NEWAWA1999 YT channel, it will actually show you some of the competition footage. Other than that, there is now a Kosen Judo movement working in North America.
If you ever have any contact info here is the link: hichitei.jimdo.com/
All about JUDO
What you guys also need to do is make contact with some of the representatives in Japan who are affiliated with the Shichitei (7-Universities) who does this style of tournament. That way, it will help spread the old-school traditional Judo ways. Peace.
Great video👌👌👌👍👍👍
So bottom line it is not appropriate to call JJ v Judo event. It not make any good for Judo. Why just not put Spinks team v Weber team?
@thatkindofguy234 The guys that always end up on the ground on their backs are the BJJ guys, Judo guys rarely end up on their back, they're taught to turtle up or lay flat on their tummy. it's good to learn both arts, Judo will give great throws to take it to the ground and end up in a superior position and BJJ to learn how to fight off your back.
massa eu trina carate nu sesc
i vc futebol
bit shitty of him to do the spine lock twice, why didn't anyone say to him? should of broken out the catch wrestling neck cranks
Bubba Gump Shrimp&Heroin I agree. Should have been a DQ under both judo and BJJ rules.
I agrued it was a spine lock but judges from their club disagreed... oh well, another day.
can you appeal to your local court?
Mixed rule set, was predominantly BJJ, (throws didnt count, etc) will usually have some contentious points, and club referees do not help when they can reveal their localised bias. It was a fun day in any case much better to participate and lose, on slightly controversial rules, than not to go at all.
not true, I own a British publication titled Kano Jujitsu, from the 1920's, look it up. In the war it was more a jujitsu than a do. There are videos on you tube depicting this you tube dial in vnwb8lSilrI
Allan Smith (3. Dan Kano Jiu-Jitsu Kodokan judo) 1917
Many techniques not done along classic style can still work in contest but be poor quality.
One persons wrong is anothers right...
Rules of grappling sport lead trends for athletes.
That creates style differences that are notable.
Important when comparing athletes cross training&competing.
1:05 still a lot better than my tomoe nage. i felt that
can we stop pretending that Judo is on the same level as BJJ please? thanks, -The Grappling Community.
Very exciting!
Has anyone experienced bleeding urine after dojime or organ damage?? It's not something many will freely admit??!
I'm a bjj guy. But much respect to judo. As we all know, it's where bjj came from. I do feel bjj is more effective for fighting, but judo is still legit. The takedowns in judo are fucking great, and the ground game is still high level. BJJ just took that ground stuff and ran with it.
Yes. That is funny is BJJ can learn benefits from Judo crosstraining aswell as Judokas can learn from BJJ.
BJJ often dont or very little train in starting standup and Judo in competition get panick when they are throwed to the ground so its a win-win
oh ? how come theres no judo winning ADCC... im just saying keep it real
Wait, did I read correctly? A STRIKEFORCE jiujitsu team vs. a CHURCH judo team? Hahahaha.... Why don't you just as well put UFC jiujitsu fighters there to compete against the church's alterboys?
Kudos, to the judo team to taking on the challenge under jiujitsu rules.
Judo Church team, spends training praying for deliverance from evil ankle locks.
right side judo; left side and Jason Koster on their team Judo (and BJJ)
kind of annoying because I can't tell who is judo and who is BJJ
It is not spine lock. “Boston crab” it is, but it would never work in skill full athletes.
You people like your teacher Jigaro - try to prohibited every thing you cant teach or defence from:
- no fireman
- no head and arm
- no leg attack
- ankle pick
- no over back
I surprise suplex not prohibited yet, but I have feeling you would do it shortly.
Judo black belt, and thats no white belt.
Cual es cual?
Judo and bjj are a perfect blend
@Jason Sonic V
Yes. BJJ = downgrade copy of Judo
Cool. But I prefer taekwondo! :)
Arthur Rodríguez cool i di ninjutsu and judo
So Maeda taught the Gracie's Judo Newaza only?
Did the Gracies earn their black belt from Maeda?
Black belt in what?
Was Maeda authorized to award rank?
Judo from Kosen Newaza dojo is 90% ground. Yes Maeda and Helio Gracie are high graded in judo (Master level) Maeda travelled to USA etc to teach the American Marines after a demonstration of Judo in Tokyo attended by President Roosevelt. After USA Maeda toured North and South America spreading Judo, demonstrating at fairs and to military etc. This was an official trip organised by Kano Sensei. Maeda travelled with another high rank Judo teacher (Fukuda I think, unsure just now) who was a stand-up specialist. In those days Tokyo was very pro stand-up and Kyoto very pro ground
amo jiu jitsu lovee
- and made a sport out of it, creating the IPPON score point and the "Hold for 25 seconds" rule for pinning. Karate later adopted all this when they wanted to turn Okinawan art into Japanese, that included their belt system. Aikido is the stand up grappling aspect of Japanese Jujitsu as well as small joint locks all preserved, it didn't take the throwing and ground fighting aspect as it also does sword work and staff work where the ground isn't an ideal place to be. Japanese Jujitsu, the -
Nice would love to see more cross competitions like this
More to come!
It is unclear to me who is Judo and who is jiu-jitsu. Can someone please enlighten me
Yes, even the jiujitsu team had judo black belts onboard their teams. My team was all judo. and the guy in the still advert teaser at the front page of the video is Jason Koster he is a high level judoka, (both ankle locking photo) All the others are BJJ
@@JudoLife I think in the future when there are competition team Style vs style grappling tournaments with kodokan Judo against blown gizz jiujitsu perhaps the judoka should just stick to the traditional white uniform as to not confuse the spectator. I think it is awesome that the judoka is demonstrating their highly underrated ground skill aka newaza against a highly overrated sport version of jiu-jitsu! I think Judo is King of the grappling Arts with Gracie Jiu-Jitsu the real bjj and Russian sombo both being a close second! I just really have a strong dislike toward ibjjf sport Brazilian Jiu Jitsu! But I think kodokan Judo, Gracie family Brazilian jiu-jitsu and Russian sambo are all three outstanding grappling martial arts!
@@williambreen4290 Certainly Judo is highly under-rated. Sure it is harder than wrestling in some ways but in physicality its on par, and top level BJJ is mighty good. I agree with your assessments, and unfortunately evolution happens in Ju arts (yielding incorporates changing and evolving by its very nature)
judo throws and good judo ground grappling also equals all round grappler; please dont forget count combat taught Helio Gracie to a high level 5dan? judo (judo was called kano jujitsu then)
Not many strikes but all of them.
@billysue2
Hi Billysue2;
That's not a scientific appraisal.
I felt extreme internal pressure from the lock and believe in the possibility that there is organ damage in some people from a well placed triangle.
I had slight blood in urine. It is damaging for sure. Just maybe your dojo apply it slightly different or are sized different in relation to you.
@asquadbjj
Were you watching the same video? the Judoka almost always had better positioning even if they couldn't finish it. look i dont think anyone can say either is better but you have to remember that on the street being on top is better than the bottom.
and btw that wasn't a heel hook.
submission only is always going to favour the bjj guys here
Not really
far out quick to respond.
bjj is judo, yet completely different, mainly in the set ups . judo plays heavily on strength and takedowns (most only effective in sport judo) . bjj concentrates heavily on technique and leverage and most importantly the ground aspect.
Bjj means the smaller man can still win whilst using technique . judo is so strength reliant almost always the larger man wins.
Who is which? Who is Judo and Who is Jiu-Jitsu in every match please?
- is more forgotten than any of it's branched out "children" as the need oft he Saumrai Arts had long been watred down to either sports or recreational budo, when it was once the main force and skill of priveleged warriors who served their shoguns and fought against the only art that did not follow theirs: The ninjas who practice Ninjitsu- arts created out of dishonorable tactics according to Japanese standards. It all traces back to Ancient China when the original Japanese ancestors -
with the highest paying tournaments and sponsors its only going to grow. if your still not convinced go watch ufc 1,2,3,4 .
In short judos a cool sport with some wicked hip throws, but thats about it- i use to train judo but i got to feed up with the spoet side of things- as in real life sparring its useless. rules of the tourney where fine just becuase they didnt stand them up after 5 secs.
Your rebuttle Mr Spinks?...
@asquadbjj Sir
Dr. Kano, Jigoro was the founder of Judo. Mr. Meada, Mitsuyo was a deshi/student of Dr. Kano. Mr. Meada went around the world spreading Judo. Mr. Meada taught Mr. Carlos Gracie Judo who taught his brother Mr. Helio Gracie Judo. Jujutsu is the Samurai art that instructs on how to defeat/kill another Samurai who is in Samurai armor(while you are also) and you do not have your sword/weapon. BJJ is a sport that came from the Japanese sport of Judo. Without Judo no BJJ. Osu
yea they did this in japan to see what they would train there officers with back in the day... they found the best jujitsu and best judo guys they could find and pitted them against eachother... judo dominated