The best way Bethesda should have done pipe weapons would be to make the lower levels parts of each weapon very makeshift and homemade. Then by the time you fully upgrade your weapons that go from using makeshift parts to function, into weapons with prewar mil spec parts.
if pipe weapons were fully modular but all used one core weapon that would be dope. every pipe gun is just a setup of one single base. the same weapon could be converted into anything you can think of.
@@carsonkouts yes but my main issue with pipe weapons did that there are so many other weapons sitting around why would people build a new one from scratch when they could just replaced parts from existing weapons
@@jacobtaucher8853 because it's not that easy...barrel rifling, chamber pressure, spring weights, all have very different conditions. there's pretty much no way that you could take random parts off of other weapons and slap them together and not have the weapon suffer a catastrophic malfunction. hence the pipe weapons, where if a section breaks it was milled from the start to be swappable. unless you mean take a bolt action rifle and exchange its parts for that of another bolt action of the same caliber and such. either way in a time where weapons manufacturing is essentially finished, at least for prewar weapons and for the majority of individuals surviving, what happens when you run out of swappable parts of weapons? you need to build something that can function and easily be replaced with current manufacturing means available
The fact you can't make pipe weapons yourself is a big draw back for me being able to make your own crude weapons would be a nice touch and as you level up you can increase their quality and look
I like the concept of pipe guns but I feel like they should be more like the handmade rifles introduced in Nuka World, still handmade but more refined. The idea of wastelanders creating their own weapons makes sense but Bethesda just didn't execute it correctly.
True... In WW II the British created the Sten gun, a submachine gun that any competent machinist with the right tools could make.. Perfect for partisan forces fighting the German occupation.. The OSS also had some crude handgun designs.. Crude blowback, bolt action weapons aren't impossible to make.. but these rust covered pipe guns in game just make my head hurt.. Even in a wasteland.. if your life depends on a functional weapon, then neglecting it so much it rusts through isn't smart.. In service, early 80's.. we had some training about improvised weapons, explosives mostly.. but I'd rather have a hand made oak bow with some nice arrows then some rusty piece of crap that probably will blow up in your face..
They didn't even make a single shot slam fire pipe shotgun. I never liked the pipe guns in the game as most raiders even on my higher levels still carried them. It gets really boring when there's not much variety
@@finkamain1621 I think the lack of variety is more of a concern with Fallout 4's weapon list as a whole. In my opinion they relied too heavily on the modular weapon system to create "new" guns rather than actually introducing more of them. I prefer Fallout 3 or NV's assortment of different guns with mods to tweak their function over trying to shoehorn one type of gun into a completely different role just because it has a stock.
I fall into the group that doesn't mind the style, but hated the Bethesda designs. Really, most vanilla weapons don't look dangerous at all. There's a soft aspect to them, and most of them are oversized. The guns look like, if you took them to school no one would freak out, because its obvious they arent real. I always feels like I'm holding a comically large clown gun. I prefer the hard edges, industrial, grimy aspects of the guns in previous titles.
@@giovannicervantes2053 If you didn't know, its actually almost a 1:1 representation of the "Lewis Machine gun" that was used it WW1. So you arent far off, because in the real gun, that big ugly barrel in the front held water to aid in the cooling of the barrel. So it technically is a toilet pipe. Lol
People who designed guns for FO4 are simply incompetent. I have no idea how such "designed" were hired by big studio. 4A games just hired the right people that know how firearms work.
Gunnut here, I always felt that there was so much missed potential with the Pipe weapons. A simple dive into expediently made firearms in history would have benefited the end result. But because weapons are so easy to just find on the ground and they don't degrade, the need for pipe weapons in Fallout 4 just disappear. It would have been cool to manufacture new but simple guns that were more reliable and/or easier to repair than prewar artifacts. And before people go on about rifling, look up the rifling methods used by S&W. You will notice electrochemical machining, a process that can be replicated in a garage setting with basic electric components and chemicals.
Would have made survival way more interesting. I like doing low strength builds on survival because it keeps me from hoarding tons of guns. If you could craft pipe guns that would give you some interesting decision making. Do I take my hunting rifle and add 10 pounds, or do I craft a bolt action pipe rifle with a heavy damage receiver and save myself 3-5 pounds? Idk, it may not sound like much but at least then they'd have some utility. As is they aren't even good for scrap even with the perk.
Fun little mod combination I found recently on DeluxeSam’s video. Apparently you can use Nina’s pipe rifle replacer with Spiffyskytrooper’s pipe retexture to get something absolutely gorgeous
i just think that there should be more veriety in pipe weapons used by the raider and small time settlements and prewar guns by big factions like diamond city and gunners
my main issue with pipe weapons is that you find them in pre-war locations like sealed bunkers and safes when it would make sense for a normal weapon to be there instead.
from what i heard in the lore, after a bunch of riots and skirmishes with the police due to resource shortages. the pre-war government made owning guns much harder. and i believe in the boston area specifically the local government made guns illegal. which is why so many homemade weapons are pre-war. keep in mind that the pre-war government at this point was basically a authoritarian dictatorship.
@@blackkennedy3966 so ancient pipe wapeons should be a thing, pre war pepol had acesse to beter tool and materials so having a beter version would be realy cool, this that you just said was just a excuse for bethesda lazyness.
I clicked on this video hoping this would be something he addressed and found a way to fix, finding the exact same shitty pipe weapons in sealed areas from before the bombs fell is really annoying and is just another thing that breaks immersion
I never was bothered by the pipe weapons. I was only bothered about the overabundance of it. Like, sometimes even raider bosses had pipe weapons. And the fact that they are just called pipe weapons instead of homemade, and the AKs of Nuka World were called hand made bothetered me greatly. But the overabundance of the weapons is what bothered me. Because Bethesda relied on those weapons, and literally scrapped a lot of classic weapons of previous Fallouts. Like why is the Chinese Assault Rifle not in the game? Or the R91? Or the Service Rifle? Or the Carbine one? Etc. Many variety of wrapons from Fallout 3 and New Vegas, and less than half had a comeback. Lets not mention the fact that also weapons from Fallout 1 and 2 could make a comeback. But no, they wanted us to just rely on "pipe weapons" The overabundance is too much to the point it breaks the imersion lorewise because sometimes you are exploring a building that has been supposedly untouched since the war, and you find pipe weapons stashed in them Like wtf? Or maybe in a safe that no one has supposedly opened since before the war, and there is a pipe weapon in it as well. That shit is just beyond ridiculous.
a reason some classic Fallout guns arent in F4 might be because of certain weapons being issued to certain places. same reason the R91 isnt in NV and the Assault Carbine or Service Rifle isnt in F3
Ok and that doesn’t excuse the fact that fallout 4 has a horrendously under established weapons sandbox? The R91 should’ve been in four, instead of the plethora of pipe weapons.
@@vector9586 i mean, there is only like 3 pipe guns, every pipe gun you see is usually a modified pipegun. Yeah they probably should have added the R91
my problem with pipe weapons is there's no benefit late game, and nothing makes me more annoyed than a legendary pipe weapon, it's basically If not neverending, you'll never use it
The Post Apocalyptic Homemade weapons are great. The only issue I've found with them is there's no See Through Scopes compatibility or patch yet. Otherwise another great mod that changes Pipe weapons up was the Vanilla Weapons Overhaul that you covered about a week ago.
@@spectrumstudios4848 Could you please link me to the patch that fixed their positioning on the new guns like the Laser Musket replacer and perhaps a screenshot of what they look like when you're wielding them with the STS scopes attached to one or more? As far as I'm aware the mod author never made the mods compatible in that their positioning is off and I never saw a patch made by another mod author.
I can see the point of having them around but it just feels like the weapons' mods and damage feels like done in the last minute. I think one of the main feature of this type of weapons is the swappable ammo type, and the ammo type should be a separate module and determines the base damage of the gun. Also one weapon type is missing, the one that fires assault rifle rounds.
You know, I would be genuinely interested in seeing a gunsmith make a functional gun that looks exactly like a pipe gun, or at least as close as possible
The thing that really bothers me about pipe-weapons is that they are totally nonfunctional. Having made numerous DIY firearms IRL, even a few minutes of research could have shown Bethesda how to design something realistic. Everything for the Luty, to slamfire shotguns could be (and lore wise likely were) made both pre and post war with minimal expertise. If they really wanted to make something believable, open bolt full auto SMGs should have been the default; abysmal accuracy due to non-rifled barrels, constant jams, failures to feed... the works. hell, they could be underpowered as they are necessarily pistol caliber. For shotguns, VERY low reloading and minimal semiauto capabilities. Revolvers should have been the only high powered pipe weapons, owing to their mechanisms and breech design. It could have been so easy to make something competent.
Single shot rifle like falling block(sharp rifle), rolling block(remington rolling block) are very simple to made and can handle pretty powerful round.
if you look at the pipe bolt action the bolt handle is infront of a little tab on the non bolt action version its behind it so if I had to guess that they function by direct blowback
@@B3nNyL3nNy I figured but when you reload the automatic or semi-automatic the player cocks it like it’s a bolt action (pulls bolt up, pulls back, pushes forward, pushes down). Maybe it’s just a roller system 🤷🏻♂️
@@saintpoli6800 if anything it's just Bethesda altering some animations. if it was real life then I guess the sole survivor has massive hands and has to turn it to get his hand around the bolt handle
If you look at the stoner series of guns, what you do is pull the bolt handle back and it slides off a detent then when you have pulled it all the way back, you return it forward to that detent. This also is kinda similar to the g3 but you pull back and release and the cocking spring tension returns the bolt handle. It's not hard to assume that maybe they have a system similar to that, just instead of a detent, it's a cut in the reciever
Pipe guns should exist in that "universe." I like it when my enemies have pipe guns but I would never use one unless absolutely necessary. They should be far less accurate and weaker than mass produced weapons because pipes aren't made to specific calibers and aren't rifled.
To be honest they would be rifled just very crudely. So i think it should have around the same damage as say any other gun in the same caliber but be alot less accurate
@@bluffkirschman599 Edited. The reason I say less powerful is because the pipe would not provide a gas seal behind the bullet like a proper barrel would. Therefore, a lot of the power from the gunpowder would be wasted by leaking past the bullet while still in the barrel. Also, rifling won't help for the same reason and would in fact make things worse.
@@CaudilloSilovik you can find steel piping in most regular calibers that apply a decent seal and the main problem would be the bullets tumbling so like… a pipe 38 smg with no rifleing would be devastating for uncover body parts all the tumbling would make you look like Swiss cheese… but like your going to be verry accurate with pipe shotguns… rifleing a barrel without the right tools would be extremely difficult
@@CaudilloSilovik rifleing makes the bullet move faster and fly more steady. Thats why all modern guns have it (besides shotguns because that would make the spread so bad that the gun would be useless.) So the rifleing would only help. And asuming that the people making thins guns knows something about guns they would probably put a rubber seal in the gun for the back pressure(for single shot guns). And since alot of these pipe weapons are semi of fully automatic they would need some back pressure to fire and they would probably be piston operated.
As far as “prewar” pipe weapons, iirc, one of the Guns & Weapons skill magazines is labeled “Street Guns of Detroit”, and features a pipe revolver on the cover, another is titled (sic)”Avoid those pesky gun laws”, and while it features a 10mm pistol on the cover, presumably features ways to get around the new laws put in place during the last years of the US of A that stymied gun rights, possibly even crafting your own…
I hate that thing so much. Would it really kill Bethesda to figure out how guns work and do a little bit of legwork into not havimg postwar crap in prewar areas? Instead of the lazy retcons.
@@____________838 if it was a slam fire shotgun or a muzzleloader it'd be fine. But a revolver made out of what I assume to be water pipes is somehow a fully functional single action revolver that can somehow shoot .308 and not disintegrate is asinine.
First time for me.. subscribed... I'm a born the last year of the Boomers 1959, cold warrior.. 90th SMW Strategic Missile Wing, 90th Security Police Group.. our assigned jobs were base, asset, nuclear weapons security.. Trained by US Army Ranger instructors as light infantry to be up to the job of preventing theft, or destruction of our nuclear forces.. So the Fallout games are a big exercise in "What If" thinking.... Thank God we avoided a nuclear war.. but the threat was very real.. I remember those duck and cover drills from grade school in the 60's.. How they create this fantasy alternate timeline.. and the training, equipment decisions has always fascinated me.. The body armor we had was Vietnam era vintage, so just ballistic nylon flak vests.. 23 bs. so the power armor game addition?.. that would have been nice.. LOL.. : ) Great video BTW.... and I am NO fan of the pipe guns in the vanilla version.. but I just downloaded a new mod that removes the rust.. so it's not so traumatizing to an old ground combat Airman.. Standard loadout was either the M-16 M-16/M-203 or the M-60.. You can maybe imagine how the game comes across to someone from that cold war era.. some fiction, some fantasy stuff... but a little that rings true.
There’s actually another mod I’m looking forward to trying in some future playthrough - it basically creates rusted, rundown versions of most common normal guns in the game and replaces pipe guns with them. They deal less damage then their unrusted counterparts while also really make sense and look authentic. Nice detail is that with a special crafted item, some anti rust solution, you can turn your rusted guns into full on unrusted variants, which can make for interesting gun progression.
Yeah it’s basically the design of the guns for me. I remember the first time I got a good look at the Handmade Pipe Revolver mod. It amazed me how well thought out it’s design was, with the screw that loosens to make room for bigger cylinders, and therefore bigger cartridges. But the vanilla guns always reminded me of Nerf guns. Big, fat, and sometimes just completely unrealistic with magazines being placed in front of the bolt (OG combat shotgun I’m looking at you)
I love the idea of pipe guns and scav guns and weapons but 4s pipe guns just looked well dumb... So that's why I used stuff like the defense gun handmade revolver crude blowback pjar 10mm pistol etc. I'd have used Nina's replacement but I don't think it's on console. But the replacer I used most was the defense gun it looks good but isn't so fancy that it seems pre-war or out of place.
This is one of the best "mod compilation" videos I've seen. You explain quickly but clearly the benefits of each mod, with just enough video to show it off without being excessive. Very nicely structured. It's been a while since I played Fallout 4 regularly, but I still consider it one of my favourite games. I actually like how the developers focused on fewer weapons than previous games, but added greater customisation options. I would personally not replace the pipe weapons or remove them from the game. I think they make a lot of sense. If anything, I would add a "bottom tier" of mods for the pre-war guns, in the shape of home made parts. Pipe gun style sights, stocks and magazines for the Combat Rifle, for example. I don't know if there are any mods like that for the game.
Pipe guns are _extraordinarily_ lore-friendly and should totally have been added back in the old Black Isle titles. That said, Nina's Replacer really strikes a chord with me. I've been spoiled by the makeshift guns in the Metro 2033 series and the Junker Musket in Ashes 2063, and won't settle for anything less.
A good way to mod the pipe weapons is to include not just hodgepodge pipe weapons, but sheet metal weapons. Riveted construction sheet metal SMGs, bolt guns and such would add a new flavour to the homemade firearms repitoir.
using that glitch the spiffingbrit showed on his channel makes a pipe pistol or otherwise a kick ass choice, and with the abundance of that ammo it makes an unmodded playthrough much easier
6:24 This gun is so cursed compared to the real life version. It literally wouldn't function because the magazine is in the handgrip and the charging handle is where the magazine should be but the bullets are still ejecting out the right like normal
Weapon design in fallout 4 is atrocious for the 90% of the weapons. Pipe guns dont make sense and also make the early game worse in a sense of variety. Those mods are awesome tho.. especially the post apocalyptic replacers since it also makes the assault rifle like an actual weapon
IMO they should have used bows and crossbows instead of pipe weapons, they work and are low tech enough to be manufactured in a post apocalyptic scenario.
@@arx3516 the core problem is bethesda world building and lore disconnect for Fallout. 200+ years after the apocalypse and barely anything new sprang up? Contrast that with even the first fallout game. Where there are already multiple large settlements in the *desert after 80 years* in the Mojave. Come fallout 2, new cities have been built. *Clean cities made of concrete with organized city blocks.* New Vegas is the "eastern frontier" of the west coast. Set a little before Fallout 4 and there are already new industries in California that make high quality mass produced goods like beef, chems, guns, and energy weapons. Yet Fallout 4 is still stuck looking like the bombs just dropped 5-10 years ago. And pipe weapons are the "main form" of armament.
@Mr I’m hate myself it makes no sense from a lore and gunsmithing perspective. Fallout 3 had no pipe weapons. All of the firearms in that game, apart from the hunting rifle which looks poorly maintained for some reason, are recreations of real world firearms. Now all of a sudden there's tons of pipe weapons lying around being used by random wastelanders? Then there's the gunsmithing aspect. This is a fault of bethesda that started in 3 and worsened further in 4. Pipe weapons are deliberately made to look like shit and anyone with a modicum of knowledge of how firearms work would be disgustied by it. But bethesda put it in because mUh aPoCalYpSe, I guess... Keep in mind the game is a POST apocalypse game. The very LATE POST apocalypse as it is 200+ years after the nuclear holocaust. When real improvised weapons are made to be sturdy and are ergonomic enough, given its available materials and lack of precision tooling. IE it doesn't look like shit and can actually function. Long story short. Pipe weapons shouldn't be a thing because 3 had shown plenty of actual well made and manufactured firearms. Even more so if they want to take 1, 2, and New Vegas into the bethesda canon.
I like the concept of pipe weapon… _AFTER A FUCKING REDESIGN,_ the concept of an early stage in handmade guns fascinated me and…. The Germans literally have a pipe gun before, but for fallout, only if it was after the bombing a few 10-30-50 years ago. But besides that, it’s a no no for any of the fallout game since: it is after 200 years and in Fallout 2, 280s years after the bombing. In Fallout 3, 320s years later. In New Vegas, 324s years later and in fallout 4, 330s years after the bombing Oh hey look, Fallout 76… and it’s 100 years after the bombing At that point, pipe weapons are no longer needed and are probably laughed at realistically as civilization has developed far enough to handcraft weaponsmith guns that is more in line with our quality of handcraft weaponsmith Fallout 1? Maaaaaybe? Fallout 2? Iffy but… the smaller faction probably use it (I’m stretching the possibility alright?), Fallout 3? *CHILDRENS* have legitimate guns
@@James-oj6ru there’s a pipe gun in fallout 2, it’s the first gun you get if you follow the story. It makes a lot of sense in the smaller and more isolated towns, especially if most of the population does stuff like hunting gecko, vermin, etc.
Thank you for this video. FYI: "DefenseGun replacer for pipe-guns - anduril100500" is no longer available. You may wish to remove it from the Description and video
My gripe is the fact that these weapons look like they would need Ork belief power to work. Good that someone made a mod that replaces the vanilla ones with the guns that looks like shit that could work and still be a thing you could self made
I've actually always enjoyed the pipe revolver. It's always evoked Artyom's handmade revolver from Metro for me, which is absolutely iconic in my book. The handmade replacers I feel enhance that, so that's one I'm definitely grabbing. That mod just has kind of a Metro feel overall, which kicks ass.
Thank you! Good vid, good collection of mods. You have to have some type of pipe weapon. By that I mean a low level, easily (cheaply) made and modifiable weapon. Lore does demand this; there ain't no factories 200 years after big boom. To me, all those cool contemporary tactical rifles should be very rare (I don't add them to level lists) 200 years on, they would be almost revered artifacts, rare and lovingly maintained by a select few. I love the mods you chose for that reason, again thank you!
Honestly can't thank you enough, even though I love the concept of the pipe weapons the Yellow Tinge on them all gets boring, I'm inspired to start another JunkPunk build now...
Pipe weapons were a great idea that was implemented really poorly. 1) you should start out with a slam-fire and build more complex parts as you level up 2) there shouldn't be pipe weapons in sealed pre-war locations 3) they should look like they actually function
Cool; he deleted his mods and removed them from Nexus, it overhauls muzzle flash effects, and provides better visuals for bullets hitting a metal objects... Essentially adding shrapnel, and hot cinders on bullet contact or explosions... Good pipe weapon vid though changing that aspect of my game up is definitely something I've been thinking about because the vanilla is a little off somehow and redundant... People would at least knock the rust off they're gun barrel and figure a way to weatherize stocks and grips...
Pipe Weapons hurt my eyes because I've been learning about Ballistic Engineering just as a small learning interest, as shooting is a hobby of mine. So gradually the more I learned about firearms the more of an eye-sore the pipe weapons became.
IKR! A 90 degree turn in the magazine?!? the magazine well doesn't line up with the breech and half the receiver wall is wood! out of the dizzying array of simple weapons from history ( sten, M3, sterling, PPS43 )and all they came up with was copper water pipe strapped to a 2x4.
@@massimothetrog7111 yeah. Imagine if you tried to shoot more than 100 rounds of even .32 ACP (ok maybe not 100; probably 125) rounds the barrel would heat up so fast it would explode. That's if there was even a modicum of rifling. The only way that would work is if the barrel was stupid thick and you _might_ get away with shooting .22 LR and possibly .177 LR
@@finkamain1621 yeah, that would have been funny to watch. I also miss weapon and armor durability. It would have been cool to have weapons of different tiers of quality and to have catastrophic failures and stuff.
@@redcell9636 .22 would have the same issues, the only nonferrous barrel I have seen on a gun was an old black powder pistol with a brass/bronze barrel. copper just doesn't have the elasticity or tensile strength to survive even a couple firings before the bore would be oversized and rendered pointless. Or it would explode, IDK i'm not brave enough to try it out.
i think hat pipe weapons should be even more customisable. Being able to make your own weapon from some scrap and slowly upgrading it overtime is a really cool concept. If pipe weapons had the customisability then they could be viable late game if not more powerful than your prewar weapons. make it something you have to put effort and time into that will give you great performance.
Great video; you've become my new favorite mod reviewer! I already have been using the post-apocalyptic homemade weapons pack because it's one of the few replacers that doesn't change how the weapons work, nor only change the texture/color. I can't use the weapon replacers that imbalance the game by replacing the vanilla combat rifle with the M16 or the SR-556, because as awesome and nice as they look/sound they have lasers, killstreak options, canted scopes, heartbeat sensors, conversion to 80 new types of ammo, +300% damage option for no resource cost (which I could just not use but I don't like have to force myself not to win easier), and it just outshines all other weaponry to the point where you'd never pick up a random legendary and decide to use it. After exhaustively searching, I've found one 10mm replacer with just the looks changed but the hammer animations doesn't work, and one combat rifle replacer with only looks changed as well, that causes silent footsteps when equipped. I'm grateful for all the weapon mods and replacers out there, but I'm mostly happy with how the weapons work and just want an upgrade from Bethesda's bad visual implementation of creative ideas for weapons. Do you know any other mods like this?
I love the concept and the idea behind pipe guns; pretty much like you explained; it’s just made sense in the context and makes the fallout world more alive. I just don’t like how it looks in-game (too crude and wouldn’t work); I would much prefer if it looks like the weapons from Metro series (guns like the Bigun, Duplet, or even the Bastard); handmade weapons and makeshift; uses both actual guns part and scraps cobbled together rather than whatever vanilla pipe guns supposed to be.
I like the idea of the pipe weapons. They fit perfectly in Fallout. At the moment I'm using an auto pipe rifle with the kneecapper effect which is perfect for ghouls and mierlurks etc. With the right perks they can be good enough to complete the main storyline. The only thing I don't really like is the green looking finish.
They're very good on an stealth survival build as well, for the weigth, upgrade requirements, and damage ratio, the pipe weapons, especially a legendary with 2 shot, works wonderfully. It's a great hitter for under 10 pounds
@@laernulienlaernulienlaernu8953 you can also find the parts necessary for a bolt action, scoped and suppressed pipe rifle basically right out of the gate, the scoped portion is in a house just near museum of freedom, and trudy at drumlin diner has a suppressed bolt action pipe pistol, take them to a workbench and boom, high power, quiet sniper rifle right out of the gate
my issue with alot of weapon mods is tha tthey are heavily unbalanced, leading to the player having extremely powerful weapons at a low level and blasting through parts of the game with no difficulty where before it was purposefully designed to be difficult because of the way the game was balanced
Pipe guns are a novelty in fallout, you pick it up, play around with it, see how you can customize it, say "oh that's cool" and move on to something better.
3:43 if they change the textures of the pipe weapons they NEED to change the sound to them to a metallic bang and twang kinda sound since the gun is made of metal.
I always found the pipe weapons interesting but they become unviable so fast like as soon as you are level 10 or 15 you will have better weapons available and so they become practically useless.
I just wish the weapons didn’t suffer from the two main problems with most, if not all of Fallout 4’s weapons: •Left-handed charging handles and ejection ports (The game came out in 2015, long after FPS games had stopped doing this. It just looks bad.) •Terrible or clunky reload animations (seriously, why do the charging handles on pipe weapons have to be operated like a bolt-action???)
I appreciate how you went about this. You accepted that different people have different opinions on something on the game and weren't an ass about it. Cheers man
Hey this video was suggested to me on UA-cam and wanted to give it a watch, thanks for the list of mods I can install for my Xbox one and PC. I don't mind the handmade weapons we had but some made no sense to function in the Real world.
A shame nobody ever made a P.A. Luty submachine gun mod. But given that the 10mm submachine gun from Fallout 3/NV already shows some similarity, maybe they thought it´s not necessary.
Great suggestions! I tried a more recent mod, No More Pipes and Unleveled DLC Weapons, and it's perfect for those that don't like pipe weapons or want a different experience, especially early game. Some may not like the unleveled weapons appearing right from the start on humans and mutants - everything from handmade rifles to cryolators - but I think it's refreshing and chaotic in a good way.
honestly, im fine with pipe weapons, im happy with them, they do what theyre supposed to, theyre wide spread and common so they are kinda weak, but thats so you dont just find a weapon that is rapid fire and does 50 damage every bullet. the color doesnt bother and the style doesnt either.
My biggest problem is the water cooled assault rifle, it's just stupid. A maxim like MMG or LMG would make sense with power armor, but a water cooled assault rifle just makes no sense. Pipe Weapons are fine for the most part. There are some really weird improvised weapons for example in Africa, which look like they are more likely to blow up into your face, than shoot.
Pipe guns existed in Fallout 1 and 2. There was an item called a Zip Gun, which is a real world term for a makeshift firearm. It could only fire one bullet before needing to be reloaded, which is how many real world zip guns actually work. In my opinion, the game that handled "pipe weapons" the best, was Metro 2033. The improved weapons they have in that game look like people really took the time to craft these things in a way that emulates how normal firearms are supposed to work, which the Nina's mod actually manages to recreate pretty well.
Ninas is a mainstay been using that for ages if your looking for suggestions for mod bundles I was gonna suggest nuka world as it doesn't seem to get much modding attention sadly
Damn I can't wait till I get a pc capable of handling Fallout 4 in a couple months. That revolver rifle from the post-apoc weapons pack, and the laser musket looked amazing
I don’t think the coloring and “parts” fix them. It’s the fact they physically wouldn’t function. Their design don’t allow them to realistically work. Like how are you gonna have your mag below your chamber
Exactly. The only pipe weapon that could work is the revolver. Pipe weapons should've been exclusively single shot and the revolver. No automatics whatsoever. And only found in the early game and in the hands of low level raider groups.
The defense gun mod made me so much happier while playing the game. It was more believable to me that everyone used mass-produced last ditch guns rather than rusted metal that would never work. Not to mention the guns are really cool looking, like mixes of stens and type 100 smgs
dude, i somehow LOVE the pipe weapons, i did me first run EXCLUSIVELY with pipe weapons, even managed to put me hands in a legendary explosive pipe auto weapon and a legendary crit sniper, BUTT, any improvement on those weapons would be LOVELY, i'll try those mods later
is there a mod to get enemies to stop spam throwing grenades, Jesus, it really pisses me off sometimes how many frags and Molotov's are flying at me I'm not saying enemies shouldn't throw them, I am saying that they are throwing FAR TOO MANY for a single fight, only like 2 grenades should be thrown, total, in a large fight
Oh and let's not forget how they can (and will) hit you dead in the face with a molotov, threading the needle as if they were using VATS, even though Fallout 4 removed that specific feature.
Hi Dak, You say at about 6:00 that you can have both Nina's and Post-Apocalyptic at the same time. On the Post-Apoc download page, I'm not seeing any standalone versions, they're all replacers. Am I blind, or is there tinkering in FO4Edit that needs to be done? Cheers. Love your work. Your 'get to the point' style is very welcome, and refreshing.
The one thing about pipe weapons that kept me from using them more often when I first started playing was how for some reason they were inherently weaker than your combat rifle etc. And apparently I'm not alone in this as someone wrote a mod called "Pipe balance". It strays from the idea that for some reason because the weapon has a smooth bore barrel that it has less power for some reason. Same power, accuracy may suffer a bit but same power
That last part is only true when firing a smoothbore projectile (a sphere) out of a smoothbore barrel. Firing a projectile designed for a rifled barrel (which is all of the ammo in Fallout 4) out of a smoothbore barrel will result in a significant loss in kinetic energy over distance, which would translate out to less damage on the target in addition to a loss of accuracy like you mentioned. Because the projectile is not stabilized by rifling, it would begin to tumble end over end (called 'keyholing'), and because of its conical, elongated, and rectangular shape (instead of a sphere which is typical of ammo designed for a smooth bore), this results in much greater surface area in the direction of movement, resulting in increased wind resistance and drag, as well as energy lost due to the counterproductive rotation. In some cases, a keyholing projectile might do more damage at very close ranges - the bullet is guaranteed to tumble, and tumbling inside tissue can often cause a larger permanent wound cavity than a straight path - but it also means that the projectile loses much of its penetrative ability, because its no longer presenting the tip of the bullet to the target (pushing through) and now is essentially slapping the target with it's side. Kinda like an olympic dive versus a belly flop. I'd argue that this would be more compelling if it was accurately represented ingame: the pipe weapons would have great damage up close that tapers off rapidly at distance, but it would also have difficulty penetrating armor at any range. This would make them great weapons to use against feral ghouls and Triggermen indoors at short range, but terrible outdoors at any real distance. You can see a practical demonstration of these concepts if you look up the Military Arms Channel video on the Franklin Reformation, which is a smoothbore gun firing normal 5.56 ammo meant for rifled barrels. Up close, the ammunition does decent damage, but when fired at 100 yards distance, the projectiles have lost so much energy that they have difficulty even penetrating the skin of the rubber dummy target. EDIT: Removed reference to .32 ammo, I got fallout 4 and 3 mixed up for some reason
The pipe weapons make sense in fallout 4 lore wise as well. In fallout 1 it's explained that BoS doesn't like people having plasma or laser because it's dangerous. So they produce new "pre-war" guns and ammo in their bunker and trade them for laser and plasma weapons so the average wastelander don't use them. (They also trade said weapons for caps, for food and water) There isn't a brotherhood in Boston to make them, so pipe weapons circulate instead Side note: I agree with top comments that customization quality/textures are boring (if you can make a new 10mm receiver, you can clean some rust and make some better looking parts) and they shouldn't appear in pre war locations like a locked safe in a military bunker!
For me, pipe weapons felt a lot better and more natural to use in Fallout 4 VR. to the point i was choosing to use them over the higher tier guns because it just felt a lot better.
This, Vid slipped past me :-/ Dang! I was just, looking into adding new Replaces into my game.. I'm pleased, there are a some in here for Xbox! And, happy :-) you provide their link! Glad, I checked your channel. As, I never got this Video drop in my notifications! Much enjoyed - Jass.
I think the orange colour of pipe weapons suggests they are made from copper pipe stripped from homes. Neat idea except that type of pipe is really thin and would never hold up to the combustion necessary to propel a bullet. Iron or steel pipe (usually gray or black) would be much better suited which is what we see in that recolour mod.
Is there a mod for Fallout 4 on Xbox that allows me to replace the metal, combat, synth, and robot armors? I already know about Modular Leather Armor, and there is Classic Combat Armor, but those aren’t full replacers.
The best way Bethesda should have done pipe weapons would be to make the lower levels parts of each weapon very makeshift and homemade. Then by the time you fully upgrade your weapons that go from using makeshift parts to function, into weapons with prewar mil spec parts.
Or scrapping them to REPAIR especific Guns, the ones of quality.
In the end you get a sten gun, which is pretty much a pipe gun with how simple it is.
if pipe weapons were fully modular but all used one core weapon that would be dope. every pipe gun is just a setup of one single base. the same weapon could be converted into anything you can think of.
@@carsonkouts yes but my main issue with pipe weapons did that there are so many other weapons sitting around why would people build a new one from scratch when they could just replaced parts from existing weapons
@@jacobtaucher8853 because it's not that easy...barrel rifling, chamber pressure, spring weights, all have very different conditions. there's pretty much no way that you could take random parts off of other weapons and slap them together and not have the weapon suffer a catastrophic malfunction. hence the pipe weapons, where if a section breaks it was milled from the start to be swappable. unless you mean take a bolt action rifle and exchange its parts for that of another bolt action of the same caliber and such. either way in a time where weapons manufacturing is essentially finished, at least for prewar weapons and for the majority of individuals surviving, what happens when you run out of swappable parts of weapons? you need to build something that can function and easily be replaced with current manufacturing means available
The fact you can't make pipe weapons yourself is a big draw back for me being able to make your own crude weapons would be a nice touch and as you level up you can increase their quality and look
If Bethesda decides to make a return to weapon durability I can see how pipe weapons can be easily cheap to build and repair but also faster to break
You can in fallout 76
Make factories with the dlc i think you can make pipe weapons. I may be wrong. I sincerely hope i helped you
@@dr.science_0177 fallout 76 has been out for years.
@@MorriganAutumn that ain't a fallout game. It's a failout game
I think the metro games did well with "pipe weapons" with the ashshot and the tikar
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Yeah. I loved using the Tikhar to snipe people or mutants in Exodus
I like the concept of pipe guns but I feel like they should be more like the handmade rifles introduced in Nuka World, still handmade but more refined. The idea of wastelanders creating their own weapons makes sense but Bethesda just didn't execute it correctly.
I think it should be a mix of crude and competent weapons.
True... In WW II the British created the Sten gun, a submachine gun that any competent machinist with the right tools could make.. Perfect for partisan forces fighting the German occupation.. The OSS also had some crude handgun designs..
Crude blowback, bolt action weapons aren't impossible to make.. but these rust covered pipe guns in game just make my head hurt.. Even in a wasteland.. if your life depends on a functional weapon, then neglecting it so much it rusts through isn't smart..
In service, early 80's.. we had some training about improvised weapons, explosives mostly.. but I'd rather have a hand made oak bow with some nice arrows then some rusty piece of crap that probably will blow up in your face..
They didn't even make a single shot slam fire pipe shotgun. I never liked the pipe guns in the game as most raiders even on my higher levels still carried them. It gets really boring when there's not much variety
@@finkamain1621 I think the lack of variety is more of a concern with Fallout 4's weapon list as a whole. In my opinion they relied too heavily on the modular weapon system to create "new" guns rather than actually introducing more of them. I prefer Fallout 3 or NV's assortment of different guns with mods to tweak their function over trying to shoehorn one type of gun into a completely different role just because it has a stock.
Bethesda didn’t execute anything correctly in this game.
I fall into the group that doesn't mind the style, but hated the Bethesda designs. Really, most vanilla weapons don't look dangerous at all. There's a soft aspect to them, and most of them are oversized. The guns look like, if you took them to school no one would freak out, because its obvious they arent real. I always feels like I'm holding a comically large clown gun. I prefer the hard edges, industrial, grimy aspects of the guns in previous titles.
Like the assault rifle that thing looks like if you painted it orange it would be a shitty toy m60
@@giovannicervantes2053 Right? Ive always said, the guy who gave the green light to make that the ONLY assault rifle in the game, should be fired. Lol
@@LogicAndCompassion i heard someone say it looks like a piece of metal toilet plumbing equipment that someone sprayed matte spray paint on it
@@giovannicervantes2053 If you didn't know, its actually almost a 1:1 representation of the "Lewis Machine gun" that was used it WW1. So you arent far off, because in the real gun, that big ugly barrel in the front held water to aid in the cooling of the barrel. So it technically is a toilet pipe. Lol
@@LogicAndCompassion lewis was air cooled but i see the similarities to a Vickers or maxim but at least the lewis gun had the magazine that spun
I feel like pipe weapons should have been more like the guns from the metro series. Using actual gun furniture with pipes and things like that
100% agree
People who designed guns for FO4 are simply incompetent. I have no idea how such "designed" were hired by big studio. 4A games just hired the right people that know how firearms work.
Like the Bastard in OG 2033, whose receiver was a dang flashlight? 😆 I always loved that, and sadly it was lost with Last Light and the Reduxes.
Or be crudely made original designs. Something like the grease gun/9mm SMG from NV, or maybe the Luty or Blyskawica garage made SMGs.
Gunnut here, I always felt that there was so much missed potential with the Pipe weapons.
A simple dive into expediently made firearms in history would have benefited the end result. But because weapons are so easy to just find on the ground and they don't degrade, the need for pipe weapons in Fallout 4 just disappear. It would have been cool to manufacture new but simple guns that were more reliable and/or easier to repair than prewar artifacts. And before people go on about rifling, look up the rifling methods used by S&W. You will notice electrochemical machining, a process that can be replicated in a garage setting with basic electric components and chemicals.
Would have made survival way more interesting. I like doing low strength builds on survival because it keeps me from hoarding tons of guns. If you could craft pipe guns that would give you some interesting decision making.
Do I take my hunting rifle and add 10 pounds, or do I craft a bolt action pipe rifle with a heavy damage receiver and save myself 3-5 pounds? Idk, it may not sound like much but at least then they'd have some utility. As is they aren't even good for scrap even with the perk.
@@doctorbrown5957 that is exactly how I used my pipe bolt action until level 25 or so and deep pocketed equipment
Fun little mod combination I found recently on DeluxeSam’s video. Apparently you can use Nina’s pipe rifle replacer with Spiffyskytrooper’s pipe retexture to get something absolutely gorgeous
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i just think that there should be more veriety in pipe weapons used by the raider and small time settlements and prewar guns by big factions like diamond city and gunners
my main issue with pipe weapons is that you find them in pre-war locations like sealed bunkers and safes when it would make sense for a normal weapon to be there instead.
from what i heard in the lore, after a bunch of riots and skirmishes with the police due to resource shortages. the pre-war government made owning guns much harder. and i believe in the boston area specifically the local government made guns illegal. which is why so many homemade weapons are pre-war. keep in mind that the pre-war government at this point was basically a authoritarian dictatorship.
@@blackkennedy3966 so ancient pipe wapeons should be a thing, pre war pepol had acesse to beter tool and materials so having a beter version would be realy cool, this that you just said was just a excuse for bethesda lazyness.
I clicked on this video hoping this would be something he addressed and found a way to fix, finding the exact same shitty pipe weapons in sealed areas from before the bombs fell is really annoying and is just another thing that breaks immersion
There’s a simple answer to this
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@@The_Keeper27 there is a simple counter to this
*we want immersion*
I never was bothered by the pipe weapons. I was only bothered about the overabundance of it. Like, sometimes even raider bosses had pipe weapons. And the fact that they are just called pipe weapons instead of homemade, and the AKs of Nuka World were called hand made bothetered me greatly.
But the overabundance of the weapons is what bothered me. Because Bethesda relied on those weapons, and literally scrapped a lot of classic weapons of previous Fallouts. Like why is the Chinese Assault Rifle not in the game? Or the R91? Or the Service Rifle? Or the Carbine one? Etc. Many variety of wrapons from Fallout 3 and New Vegas, and less than half had a comeback. Lets not mention the fact that also weapons from Fallout 1 and 2 could make a comeback. But no, they wanted us to just rely on "pipe weapons"
The overabundance is too much to the point it breaks the imersion lorewise because sometimes you are exploring a building that has been supposedly untouched since the war, and you find pipe weapons stashed in them Like wtf? Or maybe in a safe that no one has supposedly opened since before the war, and there is a pipe weapon in it as well. That shit is just beyond ridiculous.
the Chinese AR is an AK. the Handmade rifle is that
a reason some classic Fallout guns arent in F4 might be because of certain weapons being issued to certain places. same reason the R91 isnt in NV and the Assault Carbine or Service Rifle isnt in F3
Ok and that doesn’t excuse the fact that fallout 4 has a horrendously under established weapons sandbox? The R91 should’ve been in four, instead of the plethora of pipe weapons.
@@vector9586 i mean, there is only like 3 pipe guns, every pipe gun you see is usually a modified pipegun. Yeah they probably should have added the R91
my problem with pipe weapons is there's no benefit late game, and nothing makes me more annoyed than a legendary pipe weapon, it's basically
If not neverending, you'll never use it
The Post Apocalyptic Homemade weapons are great. The only issue I've found with them is there's no See Through Scopes compatibility or patch yet.
Otherwise another great mod that changes Pipe weapons up was the Vanilla Weapons Overhaul that you covered about a week ago.
Um I’ve been playing with see through scopes for about a year. As far as I know 2.5x scope is the only one that doesn’t work.
@@spectrumstudios4848 Could you please link me to the patch that fixed their positioning on the new guns like the Laser Musket replacer and perhaps a screenshot of what they look like when you're wielding them with the STS scopes attached to one or more?
As far as I'm aware the mod author never made the mods compatible in that their positioning is off and I never saw a patch made by another mod author.
@@The_Bacon_Dragon I’m on Xbox sorry it’s just See Through Scopes updated.
I can see the point of having them around but it just feels like the weapons' mods and damage feels like done in the last minute. I think one of the main feature of this type of weapons is the swappable ammo type, and the ammo type should be a separate module and determines the base damage of the gun. Also one weapon type is missing, the one that fires assault rifle rounds.
is that a custom pfp?
And shotgun pipe weapons
My favorite pipe weapon of any kind is on a work bench being turned to scrap. Go combined arms!!!
Really glad I found this channel, honestly. Makes getting back into modded Fallout 4 less of a nightmare.
You know, I would be genuinely interested in seeing a gunsmith make a functional gun that looks exactly like a pipe gun, or at least as close as possible
The thing that really bothers me about pipe-weapons is that they are totally nonfunctional. Having made numerous DIY firearms IRL, even a few minutes of research could have shown Bethesda how to design something realistic. Everything for the Luty, to slamfire shotguns could be (and lore wise likely were) made both pre and post war with minimal expertise. If they really wanted to make something believable, open bolt full auto SMGs should have been the default; abysmal accuracy due to non-rifled barrels, constant jams, failures to feed... the works. hell, they could be underpowered as they are necessarily pistol caliber. For shotguns, VERY low reloading and minimal semiauto capabilities. Revolvers should have been the only high powered pipe weapons, owing to their mechanisms and breech design.
It could have been so easy to make something competent.
I wish I was competent with Blender. Then I would make my own guns for mods.
The Fallout 4 guns look like something that belongs in Skyrim.
ATF😑
Single shot rifle like falling block(sharp rifle), rolling block(remington rolling block) are very simple to made and can handle pretty powerful round.
Great job on this vid man, I know it's impossible to please everyone depending on their taste in mods, but you definitely have something for everyone.
I’m trying to understand how the pipe guns cycle as semi or automatic, considering it’s a bolt action esc design. Smooth Bethesda
if you look at the pipe bolt action the bolt handle is infront of a little tab on the non bolt action version its behind it so if I had to guess that they function by direct blowback
@@B3nNyL3nNy
I figured but when you reload the automatic or semi-automatic the player cocks it like it’s a bolt action (pulls bolt up, pulls back, pushes forward, pushes down).
Maybe it’s just a roller system 🤷🏻♂️
@@saintpoli6800 if anything it's just Bethesda altering some animations. if it was real life then I guess the sole survivor has massive hands and has to turn it to get his hand around the bolt handle
If you look at the stoner series of guns, what you do is pull the bolt handle back and it slides off a detent then when you have pulled it all the way back, you return it forward to that detent. This also is kinda similar to the g3 but you pull back and release and the cocking spring tension returns the bolt handle. It's not hard to assume that maybe they have a system similar to that, just instead of a detent, it's a cut in the reciever
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Interesting
Pipe guns should exist in that "universe." I like it when my enemies have pipe guns but I would never use one unless absolutely necessary. They should be far less accurate and weaker than mass produced weapons because pipes aren't made to specific calibers and aren't rifled.
To be honest they would be rifled just very crudely. So i think it should have around the same damage as say any other gun in the same caliber but be alot less accurate
@@bluffkirschman599 Edited.
The reason I say less powerful is because the pipe would not provide a gas seal behind the bullet like a proper barrel would. Therefore, a lot of the power from the gunpowder would be wasted by leaking past the bullet while still in the barrel. Also, rifling won't help for the same reason and would in fact make things worse.
@@CaudilloSilovik you can find steel piping in most regular calibers that apply a decent seal and the main problem would be the bullets tumbling so like… a pipe 38 smg with no rifleing would be devastating for uncover body parts all the tumbling would make you look like Swiss cheese… but like your going to be verry accurate with pipe shotguns… rifleing a barrel without the right tools would be extremely difficult
@@implausibleimpossiblehypot4006 You are making that up.
@@CaudilloSilovik rifleing makes the bullet move faster and fly more steady. Thats why all modern guns have it (besides shotguns because that would make the spread so bad that the gun would be useless.) So the rifleing would only help. And asuming that the people making thins guns knows something about guns they would probably put a rubber seal in the gun for the back pressure(for single shot guns). And since alot of these pipe weapons are semi of fully automatic they would need some back pressure to fire and they would probably be piston operated.
As far as “prewar” pipe weapons, iirc, one of the Guns & Weapons skill magazines is labeled “Street Guns of Detroit”, and features a pipe revolver on the cover, another is titled (sic)”Avoid those pesky gun laws”, and while it features a 10mm pistol on the cover, presumably features ways to get around the new laws put in place during the last years of the US of A that stymied gun rights, possibly even crafting your own…
I hate that thing so much. Would it really kill Bethesda to figure out how guns work and do a little bit of legwork into not havimg postwar crap in prewar areas? Instead of the lazy retcons.
@@johninenglish8236 I’m not sure that improvised weapons are really that much of a retcon.
@@____________838 if it was a slam fire shotgun or a muzzleloader it'd be fine. But a revolver made out of what I assume to be water pipes is somehow a fully functional single action revolver that can somehow shoot .308 and not disintegrate is asinine.
First time for me.. subscribed...
I'm a born the last year of the Boomers 1959, cold warrior.. 90th SMW Strategic Missile Wing, 90th Security Police Group.. our assigned jobs were base, asset, nuclear weapons security.. Trained by US Army Ranger instructors as light infantry to be up to the job of preventing theft, or destruction of our nuclear forces..
So the Fallout games are a big exercise in "What If" thinking.... Thank God we avoided a nuclear war.. but the threat was very real.. I remember those duck and cover drills from grade school in the 60's..
How they create this fantasy alternate timeline.. and the training, equipment decisions has always fascinated me.. The body armor we had was Vietnam era vintage, so just ballistic nylon flak vests.. 23 bs. so the power armor game addition?.. that would have been nice.. LOL.. : )
Great video BTW....
and I am NO fan of the pipe guns in the vanilla version.. but I just downloaded a new mod that removes the rust.. so it's not so traumatizing to an old ground combat Airman.. Standard loadout was either the M-16 M-16/M-203 or the M-60..
You can maybe imagine how the game comes across to someone from that cold war era.. some fiction, some fantasy stuff... but a little that rings true.
There’s actually another mod I’m looking forward to trying in some future playthrough - it basically creates rusted, rundown versions of most common normal guns in the game and replaces pipe guns with them. They deal less damage then their unrusted counterparts while also really make sense and look authentic. Nice detail is that with a special crafted item, some anti rust solution, you can turn your rusted guns into full on unrusted variants, which can make for interesting gun progression.
So something like fallout shelter having different tiers of each gun
What mod is it
C.R.A.P i think
Yeah it’s basically the design of the guns for me. I remember the first time I got a good look at the Handmade Pipe Revolver mod. It amazed me how well thought out it’s design was, with the screw that loosens to make room for bigger cylinders, and therefore bigger cartridges. But the vanilla guns always reminded me of Nerf guns. Big, fat, and sometimes just completely unrealistic with magazines being placed in front of the bolt (OG combat shotgun I’m looking at you)
Didn't I just... Downloaded a mod from you on Nexus last night?! 🤯
I love the idea of pipe guns and scav guns and weapons but 4s pipe guns just looked well dumb...
So that's why I used stuff like the defense gun handmade revolver crude blowback pjar 10mm pistol etc.
I'd have used Nina's replacement but I don't think it's on console.
But the replacer I used most was the defense gun it looks good but isn't so fancy that it seems pre-war or out of place.
Thanks, lad! I was really looking for some proper pipe weapons mods. I had a texture mod before but had troubles finding good replacers. Thanks again!
This is one of the best "mod compilation" videos I've seen. You explain quickly but clearly the benefits of each mod, with just enough video to show it off without being excessive. Very nicely structured.
It's been a while since I played Fallout 4 regularly, but I still consider it one of my favourite games. I actually like how the developers focused on fewer weapons than previous games, but added greater customisation options.
I would personally not replace the pipe weapons or remove them from the game. I think they make a lot of sense. If anything, I would add a "bottom tier" of mods for the pre-war guns, in the shape of home made parts. Pipe gun style sights, stocks and magazines for the Combat Rifle, for example. I don't know if there are any mods like that for the game.
The og pipe guns aren't guns, their bombs
Pipe guns are _extraordinarily_ lore-friendly and should totally have been added back in the old Black Isle titles.
That said, Nina's Replacer really strikes a chord with me. I've been spoiled by the makeshift guns in the Metro 2033 series and the Junker Musket in Ashes 2063, and won't settle for anything less.
@@DinnerForkTongue Fallout 2 had a pipe rifle as the earliest available gun.
A good way to mod the pipe weapons is to include not just hodgepodge pipe weapons, but sheet metal weapons. Riveted construction sheet metal SMGs, bolt guns and such would add a new flavour to the homemade firearms repitoir.
Maybe they'll do that in Fallout 5? Hard to tell, though with Fallout 76 they did upgrade the arsenal a bit.
using that glitch the spiffingbrit showed on his channel makes a pipe pistol or otherwise a kick ass choice, and with the abundance of that ammo it makes an unmodded playthrough much easier
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This gun is so cursed compared to the real life version. It literally wouldn't function because the magazine is in the handgrip and the charging handle is where the magazine should be but the bullets are still ejecting out the right like normal
Weapon design in fallout 4 is atrocious for the 90% of the weapons. Pipe guns dont make sense and also make the early game worse in a sense of variety. Those mods are awesome tho.. especially the post apocalyptic replacers since it also makes the assault rifle like an actual weapon
IMO they should have used bows and crossbows instead of pipe weapons, they work and are low tech enough to be manufactured in a post apocalyptic scenario.
@@arx3516 the core problem is bethesda world building and lore disconnect for Fallout.
200+ years after the apocalypse and barely anything new sprang up?
Contrast that with even the first fallout game. Where there are already multiple large settlements in the *desert after 80 years* in the Mojave.
Come fallout 2, new cities have been built. *Clean cities made of concrete with organized city blocks.*
New Vegas is the "eastern frontier" of the west coast. Set a little before Fallout 4 and there are already new industries in California that make high quality mass produced goods like beef, chems, guns, and energy weapons.
Yet Fallout 4 is still stuck looking like the bombs just dropped 5-10 years ago. And pipe weapons are the "main form" of armament.
@Mr I’m hate myself it makes no sense from a lore and gunsmithing perspective.
Fallout 3 had no pipe weapons. All of the firearms in that game, apart from the hunting rifle which looks poorly maintained for some reason, are recreations of real world firearms.
Now all of a sudden there's tons of pipe weapons lying around being used by random wastelanders?
Then there's the gunsmithing aspect. This is a fault of bethesda that started in 3 and worsened further in 4.
Pipe weapons are deliberately made to look like shit and anyone with a modicum of knowledge of how firearms work would be disgustied by it. But bethesda put it in because mUh aPoCalYpSe, I guess... Keep in mind the game is a POST apocalypse game. The very LATE POST apocalypse as it is 200+ years after the nuclear holocaust.
When real improvised weapons are made to be sturdy and are ergonomic enough, given its available materials and lack of precision tooling. IE it doesn't look like shit and can actually function.
Long story short. Pipe weapons shouldn't be a thing because 3 had shown plenty of actual well made and manufactured firearms. Even more so if they want to take 1, 2, and New Vegas into the bethesda canon.
I like the concept of pipe weapon… _AFTER A FUCKING REDESIGN,_ the concept of an early stage in handmade guns fascinated me and…. The Germans literally have a pipe gun before, but for fallout, only if it was after the bombing a few 10-30-50 years ago. But besides that, it’s a no no for any of the fallout game since:
it is after 200 years and in Fallout 2, 280s years after the bombing. In Fallout 3, 320s years later. In New Vegas, 324s years later and in fallout 4, 330s years after the bombing
Oh hey look, Fallout 76… and it’s 100 years after the bombing
At that point, pipe weapons are no longer needed and are probably laughed at realistically as civilization has developed far enough to handcraft weaponsmith guns that is more in line with our quality of handcraft weaponsmith
Fallout 1? Maaaaaybe? Fallout 2? Iffy but… the smaller faction probably use it (I’m stretching the possibility alright?), Fallout 3? *CHILDRENS* have legitimate guns
@@James-oj6ru there’s a pipe gun in fallout 2, it’s the first gun you get if you follow the story. It makes a lot of sense in the smaller and more isolated towns, especially if most of the population does stuff like hunting gecko, vermin, etc.
Thank you for this video. FYI: "DefenseGun replacer for pipe-guns - anduril100500" is no longer available. You may wish to remove it from the Description and video
Nice variety of options - thanks!
My gripe is the fact that these weapons look like they would need Ork belief power to work.
Good that someone made a mod that replaces the vanilla ones with the guns that looks like shit that could work and still be a thing you could self made
I've actually always enjoyed the pipe revolver. It's always evoked Artyom's handmade revolver from Metro for me, which is absolutely iconic in my book. The handmade replacers I feel enhance that, so that's one I'm definitely grabbing. That mod just has kind of a Metro feel overall, which kicks ass.
I was expecting this video, amazing!.
ur videos are really nice, probably the best fallout 4 mod videos out there.
Thank you! Good vid, good collection of mods. You have to have some type of pipe weapon. By that I mean a low level, easily (cheaply) made and modifiable weapon. Lore does demand this; there ain't no factories 200 years after big boom. To me, all those cool contemporary tactical rifles should be very rare (I don't add them to level lists) 200 years on, they would be almost revered artifacts, rare and lovingly maintained by a select few. I love the mods you chose for that reason, again thank you!
Honestly can't thank you enough, even though I love the concept of the pipe weapons the Yellow Tinge on them all gets boring, I'm inspired to start another JunkPunk build now...
Glad I could help!
Pipe weapons were a great idea that was implemented really poorly.
1) you should start out with a slam-fire and build more complex parts as you level up
2) there shouldn't be pipe weapons in sealed pre-war locations
3) they should look like they actually function
Great video, covered all the bases... Do you know an alternative to "extreme particles overhaul"??
Not familiar with that one so sadly I can’t say I do
Cool; he deleted his mods and removed them from Nexus, it overhauls muzzle flash effects, and provides better visuals for bullets hitting a metal objects... Essentially adding shrapnel, and hot cinders on bullet contact or explosions... Good pipe weapon vid though changing that aspect of my game up is definitely something I've been thinking about because the vanilla is a little off somehow and redundant... People would at least knock the rust off they're gun barrel and figure a way to weatherize stocks and grips...
Very good video, really all-encompassing.
Pipe Weapons hurt my eyes because I've been learning about Ballistic Engineering just as a small learning interest, as shooting is a hobby of mine. So gradually the more I learned about firearms the more of an eye-sore the pipe weapons became.
IKR! A 90 degree turn in the magazine?!? the magazine well doesn't line up with the breech and half the receiver wall is wood! out of the dizzying array of simple weapons from history ( sten, M3, sterling, PPS43 )and all they came up with was copper water pipe strapped to a 2x4.
@@massimothetrog7111 yeah. Imagine if you tried to shoot more than 100 rounds of even .32 ACP (ok maybe not 100; probably 125) rounds the barrel would heat up so fast it would explode. That's if there was even a modicum of rifling. The only way that would work is if the barrel was stupid thick and you _might_ get away with shooting .22 LR and possibly .177 LR
They should have had a single shot slam fire pipe shotgun. That would be the most easiest one for raiders to make
@@finkamain1621 yeah, that would have been funny to watch. I also miss weapon and armor durability. It would have been cool to have weapons of different tiers of quality and to have catastrophic failures and stuff.
@@redcell9636 .22 would have the same issues, the only nonferrous barrel I have seen on a gun was an old black powder pistol with a brass/bronze barrel. copper just doesn't have the elasticity or tensile strength to survive even a couple firings before the bore would be oversized and rendered pointless. Or it would explode, IDK i'm not brave enough to try it out.
i think hat pipe weapons should be even more customisable. Being able to make your own weapon from some scrap and slowly upgrading it overtime is a really cool concept. If pipe weapons had the customisability then they could be viable late game if not more powerful than your prewar weapons. make it something you have to put effort and time into that will give you great performance.
Great video; you've become my new favorite mod reviewer! I already have been using the post-apocalyptic homemade weapons pack because it's one of the few replacers that doesn't change how the weapons work, nor only change the texture/color. I can't use the weapon replacers that imbalance the game by replacing the vanilla combat rifle with the M16 or the SR-556, because as awesome and nice as they look/sound they have lasers, killstreak options, canted scopes, heartbeat sensors, conversion to 80 new types of ammo, +300% damage option for no resource cost (which I could just not use but I don't like have to force myself not to win easier), and it just outshines all other weaponry to the point where you'd never pick up a random legendary and decide to use it. After exhaustively searching, I've found one 10mm replacer with just the looks changed but the hammer animations doesn't work, and one combat rifle replacer with only looks changed as well, that causes silent footsteps when equipped. I'm grateful for all the weapon mods and replacers out there, but I'm mostly happy with how the weapons work and just want an upgrade from Bethesda's bad visual implementation of creative ideas for weapons. Do you know any other mods like this?
Damn, great video. I see a lot of growth in this channels future.
I love the concept and the idea behind pipe guns; pretty much like you explained; it’s just made sense in the context and makes the fallout world more alive. I just don’t like how it looks in-game (too crude and wouldn’t work); I would much prefer if it looks like the weapons from Metro series (guns like the Bigun, Duplet, or even the Bastard); handmade weapons and makeshift; uses both actual guns part and scraps cobbled together rather than whatever vanilla pipe guns supposed to be.
I like the idea of the pipe weapons. They fit perfectly in Fallout. At the moment I'm using an auto pipe rifle with the kneecapper effect which is perfect for ghouls and mierlurks etc. With the right perks they can be good enough to complete the main storyline. The only thing I don't really like is the green looking finish.
They're very good on an stealth survival build as well, for the weigth, upgrade requirements, and damage ratio, the pipe weapons, especially a legendary with 2 shot, works wonderfully.
It's a great hitter for under 10 pounds
@@elvispresley2284 yeah, the low upgrade requirement is good for a low intelligence character without access to Gun Nut.
@@laernulienlaernulienlaernu8953 you can also find the parts necessary for a bolt action, scoped and suppressed pipe rifle basically right out of the gate, the scoped portion is in a house just near museum of freedom, and trudy at drumlin diner has a suppressed bolt action pipe pistol, take them to a workbench and boom, high power, quiet sniper rifle right out of the gate
my issue with alot of weapon mods is tha tthey are heavily unbalanced, leading to the player having extremely powerful weapons at a low level and blasting through parts of the game with no difficulty where before it was purposefully designed to be difficult because of the way the game was balanced
What weapon are you using at 5:18? It looks like a revolver rifle and I am curious if it is a pipe revolver or another weapon.
You are Underrated, I find my self agreeing with a lot of your opinions on what looks good and lore friendly.
Pipe guns are a novelty in fallout, you pick it up, play around with it, see how you can customize it, say "oh that's cool" and move on to something better.
Haha so true
It was really surprising that pipe shotguns weren't in vanilla considering they can be the simplest pipe gun irl.
3:43 if they change the textures of the pipe weapons they NEED to change the sound to them to a metallic bang and twang kinda sound since the gun is made of metal.
Finally i find a good video with options for the vanilla weapons ill try some of this mods ty
I'm always glad channels like this exist.
I always found the pipe weapons interesting but they become unviable so fast like as soon as you are level 10 or 15 you will have better weapons available and so they become practically useless.
I just wish the weapons didn’t suffer from the two main problems with most, if not all of Fallout 4’s weapons:
•Left-handed charging handles and ejection ports (The game came out in 2015, long after FPS games had stopped doing this. It just looks bad.)
•Terrible or clunky reload animations (seriously, why do the charging handles on pipe weapons have to be operated like a bolt-action???)
it makes sense for pipe guns because of where the bolt is positioned. They can be cocked faster with an offhand
I appreciate how you went about this. You accepted that different people have different opinions on something on the game and weren't an ass about it. Cheers man
Personally I think the pipeguns are utter garbage btw
Nina’s proper pipe weapons is a mainstay in my load order for sure. I love that mod.
Hey this video was suggested to me on UA-cam and wanted to give it a watch, thanks for the list of mods I can install for my Xbox one and PC. I don't mind the handmade weapons we had but some made no sense to function in the Real world.
A shame nobody ever made a P.A. Luty submachine gun mod.
But given that the 10mm submachine gun from Fallout 3/NV already shows some similarity, maybe they thought it´s not necessary.
Great suggestions! I tried a more recent mod, No More Pipes and Unleveled DLC Weapons, and it's perfect for those that don't like pipe weapons or want a different experience, especially early game. Some may not like the unleveled weapons appearing right from the start on humans and mutants - everything from handmade rifles to cryolators - but I think it's refreshing and chaotic in a good way.
honestly, im fine with pipe weapons, im happy with them, they do what theyre supposed to, theyre wide spread and common so they are kinda weak, but thats so you dont just find a weapon that is rapid fire and does 50 damage every bullet. the color doesnt bother and the style doesnt either.
My biggest problem is the water cooled assault rifle, it's just stupid. A maxim like MMG or LMG would make sense with power armor, but a water cooled assault rifle just makes no sense.
Pipe Weapons are fine for the most part. There are some really weird improvised weapons for example in Africa, which look like they are more likely to blow up into your face, than shoot.
Pipe guns existed in Fallout 1 and 2. There was an item called a Zip Gun, which is a real world term for a makeshift firearm. It could only fire one bullet before needing to be reloaded, which is how many real world zip guns actually work.
In my opinion, the game that handled "pipe weapons" the best, was Metro 2033. The improved weapons they have in that game look like people really took the time to craft these things in a way that emulates how normal firearms are supposed to work, which the Nina's mod actually manages to recreate pretty well.
Ninas is a mainstay been using that for ages if your looking for suggestions for mod bundles I was gonna suggest nuka world as it doesn't seem to get much modding attention sadly
Damn I can't wait till I get a pc capable of handling Fallout 4 in a couple months. That revolver rifle from the post-apoc weapons pack, and the laser musket looked amazing
I don’t think the coloring and “parts” fix them. It’s the fact they physically wouldn’t function. Their design don’t allow them to realistically work. Like how are you gonna have your mag below your chamber
Exactly. The only pipe weapon that could work is the revolver.
Pipe weapons should've been exclusively single shot and the revolver. No automatics whatsoever. And only found in the early game and in the hands of low level raider groups.
I've been wanting a laser musket replacer for the longest man
The defense gun mod made me so much happier while playing the game. It was more believable to me that everyone used mass-produced last ditch guns rather than rusted metal that would never work. Not to mention the guns are really cool looking, like mixes of stens and type 100 smgs
dude, i somehow LOVE the pipe weapons, i did me first run EXCLUSIVELY with pipe weapons, even managed to put me hands in a legendary explosive pipe auto weapon and a legendary crit sniper, BUTT, any improvement on those weapons would be LOVELY, i'll try those mods later
I came here because I have this addiction to modding everything, but tbh I love the pipe guns just the way they are.
is there a mod to get enemies to stop spam throwing grenades, Jesus, it really pisses me off sometimes how many frags and Molotov's are flying at me
I'm not saying enemies shouldn't throw them, I am saying that they are throwing FAR TOO MANY for a single fight, only like 2 grenades should be thrown, total, in a large fight
I know that there is but I don’t know the name off the top of my head
@@DegenerateDak thank god, I was about to uninstall
@@DegenerateDak I found it:
NPCs Use Up Grenades No More Nade Spam
by *gamefever*
@@crayonchomper1180 that’s the one 👍
Oh and let's not forget how they can (and will) hit you dead in the face with a molotov, threading the needle as if they were using VATS, even though Fallout 4 removed that specific feature.
Hi Dak, You say at about 6:00 that you can have both Nina's and Post-Apocalyptic at the same time. On the Post-Apoc download page, I'm not seeing any standalone versions, they're all replacers. Am I blind, or is there tinkering in FO4Edit that needs to be done? Cheers. Love your work. Your 'get to the point' style is very welcome, and refreshing.
It’s a separate mod that adds them standalone, check his page
@@DegenerateDak Thanks, got it!
The one thing about pipe weapons that kept me from using them more often when I first started playing was how for some reason they were inherently weaker than your combat rifle etc. And apparently I'm not alone in this as someone wrote a mod called "Pipe balance".
It strays from the idea that for some reason because the weapon has a smooth bore barrel that it has less power for some reason. Same power, accuracy may suffer a bit but same power
That last part is only true when firing a smoothbore projectile (a sphere) out of a smoothbore barrel. Firing a projectile designed for a rifled barrel (which is all of the ammo in Fallout 4) out of a smoothbore barrel will result in a significant loss in kinetic energy over distance, which would translate out to less damage on the target in addition to a loss of accuracy like you mentioned. Because the projectile is not stabilized by rifling, it would begin to tumble end over end (called 'keyholing'), and because of its conical, elongated, and rectangular shape (instead of a sphere which is typical of ammo designed for a smooth bore), this results in much greater surface area in the direction of movement, resulting in increased wind resistance and drag, as well as energy lost due to the counterproductive rotation.
In some cases, a keyholing projectile might do more damage at very close ranges - the bullet is guaranteed to tumble, and tumbling inside tissue can often cause a larger permanent wound cavity than a straight path - but it also means that the projectile loses much of its penetrative ability, because its no longer presenting the tip of the bullet to the target (pushing through) and now is essentially slapping the target with it's side. Kinda like an olympic dive versus a belly flop.
I'd argue that this would be more compelling if it was accurately represented ingame: the pipe weapons would have great damage up close that tapers off rapidly at distance, but it would also have difficulty penetrating armor at any range. This would make them great weapons to use against feral ghouls and Triggermen indoors at short range, but terrible outdoors at any real distance.
You can see a practical demonstration of these concepts if you look up the Military Arms Channel video on the Franklin Reformation, which is a smoothbore gun firing normal 5.56 ammo meant for rifled barrels. Up close, the ammunition does decent damage, but when fired at 100 yards distance, the projectiles have lost so much energy that they have difficulty even penetrating the skin of the rubber dummy target.
EDIT: Removed reference to .32 ammo, I got fallout 4 and 3 mixed up for some reason
The pipe weapons make sense in fallout 4 lore wise as well.
In fallout 1 it's explained that BoS doesn't like people having plasma or laser because it's dangerous.
So they produce new "pre-war" guns and ammo in their bunker and trade them for laser and plasma weapons so the average wastelander don't use them. (They also trade said weapons for caps, for food and water)
There isn't a brotherhood in Boston to make them, so pipe weapons circulate instead
Side note:
I agree with top comments that customization quality/textures are boring (if you can make a new 10mm receiver, you can clean some rust and make some better looking parts) and they shouldn't appear in pre war locations like a locked safe in a military bunker!
For me, pipe weapons felt a lot better and more natural to use in Fallout 4 VR.
to the point i was choosing to use them over the higher tier guns because it just felt a lot better.
Can i ask what is name of mod for that armor your using?
It looks sick
Classic combat armor
This, Vid slipped past me :-/ Dang! I was just, looking into adding new Replaces into my game.. I'm pleased, there are a some in here for Xbox!
And, happy :-) you provide their link! Glad, I checked your channel. As, I never got this Video drop in my notifications! Much enjoyed - Jass.
I always liked them, my first pipe weapon was a pipe-revolver-sniper
It really says something about the (lack of) quality of Fallout 4:s weapon design when there are so many mods out there that replaces them.
Should made em like the bastard smg from metro. That’s a damn pipe weapon.
Are you using a mod that takes the ghoul leaping attack away? What it is called cause I need it.
I like the pipe weapon but I wished they break it makes no sense that I can shoot 200+ rounds and they work perfectly fine
My big preference would be flattening pipe autoloaders and pipe repeaters into the same weapon, so they can flatly use the same parts
I think the orange colour of pipe weapons suggests they are made from copper pipe stripped from homes. Neat idea except that type of pipe is really thin and would never hold up to the combustion necessary to propel a bullet. Iron or steel pipe (usually gray or black) would be much better suited which is what we see in that recolour mod.
What mod did you use for the thumbnail?
The defense gun is literally a MP28 with a curved magazine like the Type 100 SMG that the imperial Japanese Army used in small numbers.
I like the car alternator for the vanilla laser musket
Didn’t see the vid but love it already
Hello, for me is difficult understand english, i want some mods for my fallout 4 on xbox, where i can fin this mods? And know how search?
Didn’t know o needed to change the look of my pipe weapons until now
I thought most fallout 4 weapons were ugly. Only decent were the energy weapons
nice video. thanks for suggestions. this game really need some modding
Is there a mod for Fallout 4 on Xbox that allows me to replace the metal, combat, synth, and robot armors? I already know about Modular Leather Armor, and there is Classic Combat Armor, but those aren’t full replacers.
Is nina's pipe guns replacer available on xbox 1?
Fallout laser muskets look like real life laser guns people have made DIY style so. I actually like them.