DeWalt DW735 planer vs. a cheap one (review)
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- Tegs tools (tegstools.com) gave me a Dewalt 735 thickness planer to review. here I'm comparing how it performst to my old thickness planer (which was the cheapest I could find)
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I love how honest these reviews are. Even when I don't plan to buy a product, I enjoy watching them because it reminds me there are honest people out there doing reviews.
Same thought. Lots of reviews sound like a sales pitch instead of comparison/review.
+db112nl Yes, very true.
Completely agreed. The other part I like is how Matthias tries to back up his opinion by actually testing the things and seeing how they perform against another similar tool that he's used a lot. That way it's not just a single use and an opinion. He's actually able in some cases to measure how much better or worse something is in comparison which can then back up his opinion. Or in the case of the snipe comparison here, could potentially change his "expected" opinion based on the tool's design.
yah, his are good cuz he doesnt lean, or try to make one thing better. he actually sees which one is better
Yeah but also the store did right by letting him to come to what ever conclusion. At least that's how I understood Matthias' last words on the video.
The DW735 was at work in my shop for almost a year. Your review is dead on. I did cure the exhaust issue with a straight pvc pipe supported from above and shot it directly into a bag. My one regret; this review didn't come before I bought it. Thanks for a great review.
Always love the scientific objective analysis since I'm not much of a mechanical type. This is what's most impressive about your content.
You're one of the only people I would trust on UA-cam to give a THOROUGH review and comparison of ANYTHING. Thank you.
I bought the mastercraft planer and I am totaly surprised! I have a huge posthouse projekt, build out of chainsaw-milled wood. It is doing so well, I useed it even for 6x6 beams, 12feet long, no problem for the planer(more for my back...) I also planed a lot of birch for the floor, also no problem. the widest board was 9 inch (12feet long) got some problems with that,(tried a 1/16..) but that was just because of the power, I used 3x 100feet powercord to reach the building from my main house, a lot of resistance. to solve that I just remove less per run and that works great. I have also a little chipping in the blades from the first use. I can live with that, I just ran it again through the planer without to change the level, so I get rid of little markline, the chance that the work piece run through the exact same way is very little:)
I actually expected the planer to fail, I was curious and thougth in case it will brake I still can use some parts and build a jointer. I payed 250$ canadian for a motor and a cutterhead plus a 'planerbody'! that is Incredible cheap and hart to top!
by the way, I never used a dustcollection, I worked outdoors for 3months, daily use of the planer,(worked 7 days per week) just covert over night with a tarp, I don't know how you can treat a planer harder but I am glad it still works fine and look forward for my next Projekts with it!
I really appreciate that you find every detail possible to compare and you do such honestly. Even though I doubt I'll be needing a tool like this any time soon, it's still very interesting to watch.
This is precisely why I would love it if you did more review videos. This was fantastic, objective, and informative. Thanks, Matthias!
I have a background in Test and Evaluation, and I really enjoy your disciplined, engineering approach to your evaluations. Thanks!
Based on what I saw in this video, I would definitely say the DeWalt is the better of the two, but not necessarily in proportion to the price. That being said, I think the cheaper planer was probably a very good price as well, so that may have affected it somewhat.
Mileage may vary, research what will work best for you as an individual. Thank you very much Matthias for this review, and thank you very much Teg Tools for enabling this, now I have to see if there is one near me.
I also have the DW735. I have the X version (DW735X). I've been very happy with this planer after using it almost two years. It's been rock solid reliable. That being said the damn thing is way too loud. There is no excuse for DeWalt no making it quieter.
I love it when you say "thou", Matthias.
I love it how thorough you are and how you make machinery and its peculiarities understandable to even me, who has very little to none education and experience in that field.
And THAT folks is HOW YOU DO IT! Very well done Matthias. Just your engineering and intellectual point of view and no external bullshit. I'd also like to thank Tegs tools.
William Hayden And THAT folks is also how you make creativity BORING......
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Bullshit
@@The_Joker_ It's a review. Not everything has to be creative.
Brotherhood of Steel Perfect backward thinking comment there 🤦
I have a Dewalt planer like this one. Before I got a dust collection system, I rigged a plastic tote with holes in the lid and window screen as a filter. I ran my shop vac hose from the planer into the tote. It worked fairly well. The fine sawdust escaped but was confined to a tight area, and could be quickly vacuumed up.
Enjoyed the review. I have used the Dewalt 735 for many years after using a Delta that looks very much like your old one. Some comments:
- No issues with wear on the impeller. I'm surprised as well
- That little blower is incredible! I have a 1 1/2 horse Jet dust collector and the blower pressurizes it! Sometimes I just stick a hose out the window.
- Running boards thru on an angle virtually eliminates snipe. Can't do that with very wide boards of course.
- I'm surprised at the chip out you got on curly maple. I run such on the low speed and seldom get any. Again running at an angle helps.
- I've tried many brands of knives. Lately have been using POWERTEC brand. Hard to judge but perhaps hold an edge longer than the OEM blades. I find that the ease of flipping / changing makes it less likely I'll fight dull knives.
- I do small scale commercial production and always start with rough lumber. I get 3 - 4 months between blade flips/changes.
- There is a commercial jig for sharpening the disposable knives but it costs $US90. Would love to see you build an inexpensive one.
- If I ever wear it out I'll buy another one.
Again, nice review. Thanks for sharing. Alex
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Great review! Thanks! I've been searching hard for a planer and am down to either the Makita, the Ridgid or the 735 (there's also a King Canada with helical cutter head, but very little feedback on it) .... Could you tell me if a big shop-vac with a Dust Deputy between it would be able to handle the 735? I didn't think so, but you said that you sometimes just run a hose out the window, so now I'm wondering .. Also, (and lastly, I promise!) you mention sharpening the blades while Dewalt says you can't because it would throe off the calibration of the thickness gauge. Wouldn't the thickness gauge be easy to adjust or is it just an unimportant difference? ... Thanks for your time!
Ok .... *whistle* ... Only 6 hours after writing that comment/question, I have just made a deal on an almost new used 735 that has only used the first side of its first side of knives for $340! The closest deal I found to it was an 15 year old 734 for $375!! ... I jumped on the deal 8 minutes after the guy posted it and he said his messages were flooded, but I was the first (he was asking $400 ... I offered $340 because its a 2 hour drive away) .... The other questions still apply though if you can tell me more about the blade sharpening adjustments and if you thing the Ridgid vac/Dust Deputy is sufficient.... Thanks again, its partly because of you I got this deal, your review sent me on new search!
@@ACAB_Media Congrats - sounds like a great deal. I've been running a 734 for a couple years and can tell you the shop vac is way too small. I can fill a 55 gal barrel with chips in a couple hours.
@@vincentcoppola9832 Yup, I hear you ... 5 gallon buckets under the Dust Deputy were filling up every half board, so I have a 45 gallon barrel under it now .... now trying to figure out an easier way to empty the barrel ... :/ LOL!
I love how thorough you are in your examination. Very gratifying - thanks for the very practical and useful comparison. Extra bonus that you are a fellow 🇨🇦
On another note. You just made it very clear why a jointer works so well with the rollers removed and consistent pressure you don't get so many variations.
Nice review. As for the dust collector hose I use a 4" black "accordion like" flexible gutter hose from Home Depot there about seven or eight dollars for an 2-8 foot length. They fit snugly right onto the deWalt exhaust port. You can bend them to any shape imaginable and they pretty much stay put. I've been running mine for about four months that way now.
I have exact Dewalt Planer.... and love it.... Don't care about the noise.... I wear shop headphones....Good review
I have a Dewalt 734 planer (similar to your Master Craft and in between the two in price range). It's got 3 blades like the 735 but was way cheaper (only 2/3's the cost) and came with the fold out extension tables (an expensive option in the 735). I'm no planer expert but I've been loving it. Couldn't find really anyone who could justify the additional expense for the 735 over the 734, and in fact most mentioned the finish on the board is about the same and snipe was less on the 734. So far I've been very pleased with my purchase!
I owns the DeWalt. It works way better with the outfeed tables and also I don't cut my wood to length till after I run to the planner.
I have a 12 inch Jet planer. I bought it from Too Crib of the North in 1988. I paid about $250 for it and it has served me well all these years. I never knew then about cyclonic collectors so I used it outdoors in my back yard and let the debris mix with the soil. I have never sharpened the blades although they are in need of it now. I doesn't have a port for dust collection but I am working on that mod now. I love that old Jet.
nothing about the placement of the dust ejection port on the dwalt? being right on the back where material comes out you will need a device to hold your hose up out of the path of materials
I agree. That can be annoying.
I understand, I just use a bungee cord to hold the hose up, with the force of the dewalt air, and the dust collection I have, I dont have any issues.
I put a 4" 90 right on the port of the planer, keeps the hose out of the way perfectly.
Jay Bates hooked up a PVC elbow to his Dewalt that hooks to his DC. Check out his videos. I think you would have to look for his second channel under Jay Bates 2 for his tool reviews. That being said, it's a dumb design flaw from DeWalt. I've got an older Delta which is a similar design to the Master Craft. It's been flawless.
Good point.
I use this Dewalt planer every day at work, it's been used hard for about 7 months so far, including by a lot of completely unskilled operators, and it's held up really well.
I like it for quick rough work much better than any of the more expensive planers I've used. It has a lot of good features but by far the best feature is that you don't need to switch an extractor on, blowing out its own chips is a great convenience.
he's a great guy this Matthias! With his allmost scientifically approach of things.
I actually picked up a mastercraft planer out of the garbage at a Canadian Tire, it had the handle for height adjustment damaged, the feed floor was ruined and the knifes were dull. Other than that, I am still using it today. I had made a stainless steel 1/8 thick feed plate, which made a world of difference. And of course I bought a new set of reversible knifes. All in all, I am happy.
I also had to level the cutter head, but you would be suspicious of any new unit to have bolts loose or things be out of alignment/adjustment. Great video! I always wondered if I should "upgrade" to the Dewalt, I am not convinced to get into it.
"The blower inside this one blows really hard,.. let's see how hard"
This is a perfect example why i love Matthias so much!
I own the dewalt 735planer and really like it so far. The exhaust port is obviously in a bad spot and the first time changing blades is darn near impossible. I think they hired Arnold Schwatneggar for a day tighten the hex bolts because with the tool provided I was unable to get them loose. In fact I ended up breaking the end of my T tool trying to get them loose. I did call up Dewalt and they are sending me aT30 socket to help get them loose so at least they are doing something.
The good part is the dial that the author just blew this off, but If your scared that you will planed down then 3/4 of an inch just set the dial at 3/4 and it will not allow you to do the "Brooklyn Drive Bye" past your mark. I love the two gears on it but it needs to be running in order to shift gears. This planer is loud but it's a great way to wake up the neighbors before 7:00am:) I would like to upgrade to the optional spiral head cutter in the future which will help reduce the noise.
Good review and thanks for posting
Wow I'm thoroughly surprised with your findings. I have the mastercraft and always wanted the dewalt, maybe I'll just enjoy my Canadian tire special for awhile longer
if you want to upgrade, go for a lower end induction motor driven beast. they are not that more expensive than the Dewalt.
^ this
He bad mouthed Dewalt,he doesn’t like the brand...he does like the “ in-house “ brand and they sponsor him....get it
Joe Framer uh, sponsored by who? Mastercraft is a Canadian Tire brand, not the independent store that sponsored the video.
Joe Framer Mastercraft doesn’t sponsor or give free products to anyone 😂 trust me, Canadian Tire doesn’t care for reviews, their tools sell themselves at the price point they go on sale for.
I was recently comparing different planers available locally, and this is hands down the best review I have seen yet.
Please read the instruction manual: note on page 6: "It is not recommended that a shop vac be connected ". Use the DW7353 witch is a hose with a container...
It’s not recommended because most vacs don’t have the capacity to keep up with the volume of chip waste and will fill and clog quickly.
I have the Dewalt, as a home D.I.Y. I have no complaints. When I purchase tools, I always base it on how often I think I would use it. If is something that I will use occasionally, I will normally go with a harbour freight budget brand. It's just the opposite for tools that I will use more frequently. Especially when it comes to power tools.
I think that's a good review. Dewalt is a pretty decent brand, but I can't imagine spending 800$ on a 12" planer. If I had that much money to drop on a planer, I'd spend just a little bit more and get a 20" floor model (probably a second hand one).
What if I told you there were second hand dewalt planers you could buy for less than $800?
I have the Dewalt DW735. It was used to build two houses with a lot of hardwood (Canary and Ipe) trim. Didn't change the knives once. I just had them sharpened locally for $15.
I'm not sure why I watched this, not really interested in getting a planer. It's just something about your videos ;)
same here :)
If it's Matthias Wandel, you will watch.
Damn, same here
+ricande lol that's so true
His voice and video editing make us watch, i guess.
I loved Tegstools when I lived in Canada, such nice people and great customer service. It was family owned then. I hope it still is.
I have a different opinion about the depth stops dial being "not very useful". Probably because constantly checking with a micrometer isn't fun with eyes like mine.
It is 2016 already. Get some digital calipers.
+Paul Frederick there are times when it's good to "set it and forget it". I often work with large stacks of rough cut lumber and I really like that feature on the planer.
Its a universal term
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I would be quite surprised if those stops were particularly accurate.
+Paul Frederick you can calibrate them.
I recently bought this same model DeWalt planer myself a year ago except I only paid $475 US. It is a fantastic planer. We ran 250 10 foot 5\4 thick boards 10 inches wide with 6 passes per board through it the first week we had it and it's still cutting nicely. I will say though that it is not "grabbing/feeding" the boards as well as it did when it was new. Other than that it is a fine planer. MUST be run with a vacuum on the chip output! It will throw chips 20 feet.
Have you changed the blades? Notice mine does that and after I change the blades problem is gone.
Yes changing the blades will help with feed. Also wipe the feed rollers with denatured alcohol to remove build up of dust
Waxing the bed also helps. I just used canning wax, but you can use a paste wax or a spray designed for planer beds.
I run bottom side of board through first. The reason I do this it helps the board slide easier. Even if I just take off a 1/16 its just to knock the hair off it so to speak.
I wonder why you didn't comment on the placement of the exhaust on the Dewalt. Seems like it's placed in a less than optimal place... Thought?
Generally your dust collection pipes are situated from above so it doesn't get in the way in most peoples workshop while Matthias has his on the ground level where the placement becomes an issue. But I reckon one can just do a DIY shelf to deal with the issue.
yes, it is a stupid location for it
Matthias Wandel Yeah I would have opted for it being located on the side of the thing.
I have the DW735 (bought in 2008ish) and fought with the dust hose all the time until I saw an easy solution on Instagram by bjmacwoodwork to make a little hook that goes over one of the handles: instagram.com/p/BEmTgAHsLpV/?taken-by=myersbr2 is how it looks. SUPER simple solution that I wish I would have thought of several years ago. +Matthiaswandel I would definitely recommend this simple "upgrade" to your new DW735
not ideal but not a real issue.
I appreciate your honest appraisal of these two pieces of kit. It would be helpful to know the specs of the next best thickness planer available, what you would you have to pay for it and the cost-benefit analysis for such an item.
I've got a cheapo 909 brand which is pretty much identical with your aged one. Although the blades attached differently and are actually dual sided. I have a chunked up "may have nails" side and a clean pass side.
i love the fact they let you review it without making you praise it and maybe a bigger diameter hose would help on the dewalt one to as it would lower the amount of air per area that the container was taking.
Love your tool reviews, they are so upfront and honest. Keep it up!
the beauty of these reviews is the actual measurements of things like snipe... not just an opinion or guess
The Dewalt wins for me, it just looks like a beast! and plus, it says Dewalt on it.
I was at Tegs today. Bought the 2.3hp Bosch router kit. It's on sale this week for $399. I was going to get the Makita 2.25hp kit but the Bosch seemed like a nice choice with the trigger switch. Great review.
Great video.... and as I too am investing into a Planer Thicknesser this is very educational too
My DeWalt 735 has been great in the ten years I've owned it, but the location of the discharge port is less than ideal. It does throw chips and dust great distances, so some form of dust collection is necessary. In- and out-feed tables are not included with the DW735, but I highly recommend them to minimize the snipe problem. If sniping persists, elevated the tables slightly. Most of my work has been with poplar for cabinets and mahogany for boat building, so my knives have lasted a very long time. I bought my planer at a local woodworking show for $409 and the dealer tossed in an extra set of knives, so for the money I got a really nice planer.
Just wish Ted Tools had a location closer to Florida, their store looks awesome! great review! thanks.
I have a old Delta 22-540. I used the heck out of it making teak flooring for my house. It was making noise but I took it apart and washed out the bearings with WD-40 and the noise went away. Still going strong 10 years later.
Great comparison video. I was thinking about the DeWalt but I ended up with buying the newer Steel City helical head planer....and I must say I think I prefer the individual blades as opposed to one long one plus it was cheaper. That's just my preference though.
I thought steel city went out of business?
Maybe they did and got bought out? Their website is up and I contacted them before buying the planer. The guy I talked to told me to wait a few months because a new model would be coming out. I waited and it is pretty slick.
Cutech bought their designs; perhaps he meant them?
I have one of those Dewalt planers with a shellix cutter head in it. Does a really nice job. I have it hooked to a large dust collection system now days.
I used to just put a shop vac hose on it and run it into a garbage can with a furnace filter for a lid. That thing will blow chips through 10ft of hose easy.
If your really after a planer buy a Grizzly type one with a shellix head already installed.
you, my good sir, are an absolute hoot to watch! I learn something everytime as well.
You just verified my thinking. Worked for CT for 2 years and saw a lot of professionals buy Mastercraft and Maximum. Good warranty and if they break down later, cheap to replace.
So because you reviewed a Maximum Brushless drill a few videos ago, I went out and bought a Kobalt Brushless drill from Lowes. Now you're reviewing a planer? I'm going to run out of space and money in my apartment before the rent is due!
Well, in that case, you should build every machine that I have built. At least that's a bit cheaper :)
One thing I will say, I am a maintenance mechanic at a woodworking school. We have had the Mastercraft in our shop. We had three, and I can tell you this review is very accurate, with one exception, our 3 DeWalt planers have outlived their Mastercraft counterparts three times over. The Dewalts are very durable. In a home shop with lower production rate I too recommend the Mastercraft. Great review video!!
Do tell - what leads to the mastercraft's demise? John Heisz had one and the gearbox for the feed failed.
Matthias Wandel -With two it was the gearbox. The other had the motor burn out. My issue with it was the plastic gear for the threads that raise and lower cutterhead. students kept stripping that gear out. The main issue with the Dewalt is crappy blades. They knick really easily. Great video by the way. Really enjoyable.
Frank if you haven't discovered the carbide replacement blades for Dewalt planer then I suggest you try them as they last about 10 times longer than any steel ones you can get. I think you'll find that they will save you time and money in the long run. I got my last set at Holbren Carbide I think, but search around as I know there are several suppliers .
So 5 times the price to last 10 times longer? Will do. Many thanks.
Stanley Black& Decker just called Tegs tolls and told them if you ever give him another one of our tools......
One benefit of the Dewalt DW735 is that a Byrd Shelix cutterhead can be had for a relatively affordable $469 (on Amazon right now). Many of their cutterheads of similar width run for close to twice that. I picked up a DW735 for around $400 (lightly used on Craigslist), so for a total of around $870, I'll have a close to industrial quality planer for half the price. That was my thinking, at least. Anyway, great review - thanks!
Every time he said "silky smooth," I was waiting for him to pull out a blow dryer and start a Zohan impersonation....
I have used a DW735 for 8 years, and had a little Delta planer before that (it is similar to the mastercraft planer you are comparing). the consistent quality of the the DW735 is worth every penny. but like you say the knives are disposable, and in my experience too brittle, I would rather fuss with good quality re-sharpenable blades. after 8 years I am having trouble with the dust ejection; but after watching your review, I will try removing the impeller entirely and relying on my dust collector for extraction; thanks for some good ideas.
Teg's Tools are awesome. I go to the one on Barton just off of Ottawa. Good people to deal with.
I was thinking "there's no teg's tools in Ottawa...." Then realized, Hamilton has an Ottawa street.
Should'a put in "St."
Lol
Tegs is a great place too, Ill travel there for major purchases before going to my local tool store
Thank you Mattias. I bought a Ridgid. Same issue as Dewalt: The knives are cheap soft steel(for aftermarket sales obviously). I've had it about 3 years, taken very good care of it and after only 6 sets of knives the motor seized solid yesterday. Really not happy with the ridgid for this reason. I did love the "Indi-cut" feature, very little snipe with that planer but boy it sucks that a $600 planer's motor would crap out after such a short time. Looks like I'll be picking up a Mastercraft this time around. TYVM for the detailed review!
yay Tegs tools. I still really want the DeWalt 735. One day Ill get it unless a deal on something better pops up, yay craigslist... Good review Matthias
You mentioned Hamilton and made me homesick. Presuming you're in Ontario.
I'm from Dunnville and haven't been home for many years. Mum worked at Hamilton general hospital.
Thanks for the good vids.
Matthias, I think you overloaded Tegs Tools website!
Hahahaha I thought you were joking :D Then I checked :D It's really down :D Just like when old website used to get slashdotted.
Dewalt sells a hose and bag item that you put on top of a metal trash can to collect the chips. It works just fine. When I got a dust collector I started running the hose to the collector (collector turned off) and it works very well. As far as the placement of the exhaust goes, I simply connect the hose so that it comes down from above. It is not a design flaw as someone pointed out. Making a turn in the exhaust chute would cause clogs. I've never had any problem with clogs. I use a 4" hose (10' long) that connects to a portable bag type dust collector. I hang it with a piece of string close to the DeWalt to keep the hose elevated and away from the wood. VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION.
Great review! Also, thumbs up for Tegs Tools! That's the way to sponsor. Gave a nice feeling of the company.
Fester Blats If They "cared about the review" they (and Mathias) would be dishonest, how is that better? Furthermore, the viewers want Mathias to play with/show relevant machines, not mention companies because he got money from them - again, win-win for everyone involved (viewers included). Makes the company sound good in my ears.
I really liked your comparison of these two tools and your technical methods of comparing the tools. I was also very interested (and learned) from your description on snipe, why it happens, with the feed wheel locations, and ways to avoid this by pushing another piece of wood behind it. I'll have too check out your other videos on snipe. The camera work was excellent too. I could see everything you were talking about (good lighting and angles). The speed of the info was also good. No wasted time, just the info. I actually had to backup a few times to listen again. I would rather do that than skip ahead 3 minutes over and over again for something interesting. Thanks for making this video!
Nice review and timely as I am in the market for one. Of course, the third option is to use hand planers. :)
Until you are making custom trim for an entire house.
Just planed my outside table with my hand plane because you can't remove the boards. You definitely feel it the next day.
that's what the old timers did,but they had a man that sharpened full time, saws,chisels,and planes.
Yep, Taking off a quarter inch on a 6 ft 4X6 is not all that big a deal by hand .....................:-(
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I have watched many of your videos Matthias and I must say you are one of the most detailed blogger I have seen....thank you for going into the pros & Cons of these planers...also thank you for your many videos on making jigs.Raphael
excellent review! Very complete with some real measuring and fair testing.
Most reviews are real bubba style "we plugged her in and it gotter done". End of review.
Matt. I'm impressed with your thorough review. I think you looked at most if not everything relating to differences and the effects of those differences on the project. You show cause and effect which should help others deside what is important and what can be lived with when considering one's budget. Lastly, your review showed no bias which is most ideal!
Keep up the good work. It is no wonder you have 1.4 million subscribers! Thx
One last thought. I'm new to many aspects in woodworking and look at workshop skills and tools more as a lifelong journey rather a destination. How more effective might a drum sander be if removing very little stock? At what point would the planer be more advantageous?
I have zero interest in buying a planer but his was in my recommended feed so I end up watching the whole thing.
I've had the same Mastercrap planer for around 12 years now. It has never been great, but it was what I could afford at the time. I believe I paid $159 for it because it was the display model and the box was all beat to hell. Right from the start, it had pretty severe snipe. Adjusting the infeed and outfeed tables seemed to help somewhat. The other problem that arose almost immediately is that shavings get inside the gears and chain in the side of the unit and it gets all clogged up and the chain starts to skip. I had to remove the side shield to make it easier to clean out. Having said that, over the last 12 years or so, I've run a lot of hardwood (very hard wood, like ebony, ipe, rosewood, bloodwood, bocote, purple heart, etc.) and it has lasted this long until yesterday. The height adjustment has stiffened up to the point where it will barely move anymore, and the height adjustment knob broke off. As it happens, I just ordered the DeWalt off Amazon, with free delivery, and substantially cheaper than Tegs. I especially like the large height adjustment wheel on the DeWalt. Much better than the crappy little flimsy knob on the Mastercraft. Hopefully I'll find the DeWalt worth the extra money. Besides, the only upgrade over the DeWalt would be a 220v 15" industrial planer that would be at least twice as expensive. And since my shop doesn't have 220v, that's not even an option.
Love your testing methods and your explanations. Thanks for the video.
I bought a Magnum that comes with a helical cutter, 4 post chain drive height control (same as DeWalt) and a five year parts and labour warranty. I love my DeWalt tools but to upgrade the DeWalt with the helical cutter head costs around $1300 CDN compared to $700. Haven’t used it yet so we’ll have to see the performance. Magnum is the in-house brand of KMS tools. I don’t think they are in the States but I do know they are built off General industrial power tools. I bought a Magnum 6 inch jointer and a giant band saw from them as well. Haven’t used any of them yet either. Let’s just say I’ve got a lot of work to do to set up the shop.
This guy makes good videos!
We run a similar version of the default but have upgraded to a segmented cutter, it seems to cut much nicer and means large chips don't ruin a whole knife, you also get 4 edges per tooth and the same teeth can be used in the jointer.
Our main complaint with the planer is the overload will sometimes trip if in the middle of a long thicknessing session with wide hardwood boards. The static buildup on the dust hose is also pretty fierce (make the chips jump around pretty neat though)
Love my Rigid. Heavy SOB though.
I love the in-depth way that you've reviewed these products and the disclosure. It's the only reason why I decided to subscribe.
How do you go 5 years with out sharpening knives?
Listen to his words again. "I am still using the same knives..." He says nothing about not sharpening them.
+wildonemeister Adam's question is valid. Your statement, not so much.
tsnorquist 1. I didn't make a statement. 2. It is a question which clearly shows that Adam misheard or remembered wrong regarding what was said in the video. 3. Know your Internet and English.
+wildonemeister he says same knives and I'm fairly sure in the sharpening vid he says the grind on them is the factory grind so I take that as not having been sharpened. Mine will do 15-25 hours planing so I go through a set a month or if I'm really busy 1a week.
+wildonemeister someone is upset.
Absolutely wonderful video. The Wandel method will become the new standard for equipment testing and comparison.
"If you're planning on using a planer without dust collection..."
Don't. Don't do that. :)
But the 735 is stupid loud. I can't plane anything at night in my workshop as my family and neighbors can hear it. It's slightly quieter now with the insert head, but still loud.
BTW, the DeWalkt impeller never wore out (I've had it for many years), but the twist attachment on the back cracked.
I use mine with an Oneida 2hp cyclone.
Biggest issue with the DeWalt is the knife set. They dull and ding very easily even just in hard wood. You can buy third-party blades, but they're also expensive. I eventually put an insert head in there, but that costs almost as much as the planer.
But come February, I'm updating to a Felder jointer/planer. It is so much quieter, and just a great unit overall.
I do it in the garage and discharged on the driveway. A little cleanup does it.
BTW at night use hand tools and when done right provides better finish without sanding.
I have the DeWalt. I installed a Byrd "Shelix" helical cutter head in it. That takes care of the blade hardness problem as the Shelix uses carbide inserts. It does nothing for the snipe. I just pass a board in before and after as you described. I wouldn't say the surface finish is as glass smooth as the straight blades but it doesn't leave the ripple pattern. I just give it a quick pass with a sander and it is done. I know some people will go to great lengths to remove the ripples left by a straight cutter head.
Also I don't like the fact that the exhaust of the Dewalt is in the way of the piece of wood coming out of the planer
I've had mine yr.s that is an issue.
If you install a pvc corner there it would probably fix it.
Wow, the blower in the DW735 is strong. Insightful comparison.
you are comparing an older planer to a brand new one and after all the use and wear of the cheap one the cheap one is doing pretty good
A very timely review now that I'm in the market for a planer. I'll probably get an 8" jointer first, then get a portable planer, as I anticipate using the jointer far more frequently than the planer. Thanks for the candid review. You make my selection process better.
That was the best 13 minutes if my LIFE thank you for being awesome! I just came across you today and subscribed, now maybe I will make something too!
Seriously? 🧐
The best 13 minutes of your life? 😵
The De Walt has a set of optional infeed and outfeed tables which all but eliminate snipe. not sure how much they run for. Fine Wood working has tested planers and the DW735 was the only one without noticeable snipe. Thank you Matthias, I always enjoy your thorough work.
I have those and they don’t eliminate this snipe
Could the better planing quality of the DeWalt simply be because of the new knives?
DeWalt should have three blades vs two or possibly one on the matter craft.
and cleaner rollers
The DeWalt come w/o the extension tables! Yet the manual suggests they are essential!
So I wrote them a letter and they sent me a set of extension tables.
It replaced my old 'Customer Return' Home Depot two-blade/Dingle Speed planer which did the job as well IMHO - save fro the dust extraction/blower. Problem is the House outlet on the DeWalt does not mate up with my shop vac.
Better to try a carbide head on the old Home Depot than spend the retail on the DeWalt.
I would curious how these low cost planers compare to larger industrial type planers.
They do a fine job, just that they can't plane off as much at a time, and they won't last as long.
5 years without a sharpening for 200CAD? I'd say that's "good enough" for the typical home-gamer, take the 500CAD saved and put it towards other tools or supplies.
I've got a large commercial Woodmaster planer I picked up off Craigs. I'd never in a million years pay retail for it, but I got it at a very very good price and love it so far. Honestly had I not gotten this I would have just picked up a used lunchbox planer(like Matthias' mastercraft) off Craigslist and built a sturdy stand for it.
I had bought some rough sawn white oak 8 /4 and needed a planer and was looking at the Dewalt but run into a woodworker that had a 20" Grizzley for sale. I paid the same price for the Grizzley as the Dewalt. I had to clean up the old grizzley and give it a coat paint. It has 4 knives and a local saw shop sharpened them for 40.00 I didn't need the 20" but it works great and glad I have the Grizzley and not the Dewalt. It is a heavy machine but it has wheels and I can move it out of the way when not using it. The best part of the deal He delivered it.
Or you get a monster like the one Frank Howarth has.
That would be hard to carry down the basement stairs
Hey, it'd be a good excuse to build a carry-a-ginormous-surface-planer-down-the-stairs jig.
@@LedSatriani that made me laugh out loud :) though it's entirely appropriate considering what a genius Matthias is!
I just got the 735X and I am happy I did. Yea, there are cheaper ones, but the DeWalt isn't even 2x the price, and it will pay for itself if you use it very quickly. First off it is much heavier than the others, so it stays put without needing to bolt it down. Second, it is incredibly powerful and has three blades instead of two, so it actually gets the job done quickly. Third, that built in blower is great for planing outdoors (or in barn or shed), which is what you should be doing anyway, and is why you get portable planer. You move the planer to the wood and not the other way around. The mechanism using four posts (instead of two) is both precise and secure. I've used a Makita lunchbox planer and I much prefer the DeWalt. All this stuff about snipe. If you have any skill and infeed/outfeed tables you can reduce the snipe to a very minimal amount, and furthermore, you should plane boards BEFORE you would cut them to length anyway. Most hardwoods split on the ends while drying, so you are going to have to take off a couple inches anyway. Plane LONG boards then cut them up to the lengths needed. Snipe problem solved. I usually work with 12-15' boards and then take them down to what is needed. Sticking little pieces of wood in a planer is not a good idea. Start with a long rough board, put a nice flat board (picked out of a stack and checked with a straight edge) beneath it. Screw from the bottomside of the guide board into the ends of the rough board (which will get sniped and cut off anyway). Then shim it. Run it through, get a flat side. Then unscrew from guide board, flip it over, and get two flat parallel sides without a joiner.
Great honest review.
I like my 735 and use it a fair amount, for a hobbyist. Had it 2 years so far and am on the 1st edge of the 2nd set of knives that came with it. I found out that the DC hose needs to be grounded, if I forget and grab the hose to move it and touch the outfeed at the same time the static jolt wakes me right up!
For the TheWalt I think putting the pipe for wood chips over the wood exit area is really bad design
You're not wrong. But it was easily remedied with a $6 90 degree elbow I got from Amazon to install on mine. Now it is no problem at all.
Would you mind posting a link to the elbow you bought?
Dewalt probably did this to minimize out-of-the-box friction losses which you get with any change in direction or duct size. So, out-of-the-box, you get maximum dust collection, and the final efficiency dust collection is ultimately left to the end user. Any change to the design they could make would result in losses, and then we’d complain about that.
I've owned both of those planers and didn't like either one. I'm now using an old Rockwell 13", 2HP "beast" and love it! DC sucks but I will live with that. The Dewalt was costing me a fortune in knives and was painfully slow dimensioning hardwood.
The old Rockwell will take 4/4 hardwood to finished 3/4 in 2 passes after a quick cleanup on one side with the jointer.
Comments on the noise are right on! The high pitched whine from the Dewalt was driving me nuts!
Good review, Matthias, honest and objective. I hear good things about Tegs; good of them to give you a machine for test. I honestly don't know how the 735 can be as popular as it is. I bought mine because of positive reviews but could not wait to unload it. Older 13 - 15" 2 and 3HP planers can be had for peanuts compared to the 735.