They male it sound like marner has no power. When realistically he has all the power, this is why you don't give all your good players full nmc that walk them to UFA status.
Agreed. He sounded like a complete idiot. These guys job is literally the Leafs, why do they keep sweeping the Marner/Auston jealousy aka obsession under the rug? Adam saying "Mitch is a really really really good guy", bro he makes $16M CAD a year + most sponsorships in the NHL and can't even give his own grandma free tickets to the game. Let alone talk to her. I used to like Adam but this guy is clearly a left wing idiot. The Marner family are terrible people just like Mitch. You get 20 free tickets per game and cant give ONE to your grandma, you make her pay with her own money and carry a sign saying "PLEASE MITCH COME SAY HI" to pregame warmups like a fan... Sickening. Absolutely sick people Paul and Mitch Marner are
Jesse & Adam really speaking out both sides of their mouths when discussing scratching Matthews & Marner at the cost of a regular season win, after drumming on incessantly after the Game 7 loss about picking up more regular season wins to win the division and play a weaker opponent in round 1. Those two opinions contradict each other.
Steve Dangle asking for the trade a year ago: "Trade one of them and lose the deal, but we need change" Steve now that a trade seems imminent: "If we trade Mitch for Konecny we better get 5 other assets and they better be good!"
Re Marner convo: Marner’s cap hit is 10.9 and then he’s a UFA. I don’t think he will fetch as much in a trade as people seem to think especially if zero $ is retained.
@PeteWalkersBurner the cap hit is fairly important. Marner is only going to waive to go to a competitor and no competitor has that kind of cap space. It just ain't going to happen.
As a Vegas fan all vegas/Marner trade proposals begin and end with we have no room to pay for Marchessault yet supposedly can fit in Marner, especially with the amount of depth we are about to lose in free agency. I'll be nice and say the trade package that Jessie presented is..... not desirable, We would not have a 3rd defensive pair or 4th line (3rd line might even be sus) and a ton of our top guys are old/injury prone (stone/pietro/eichels missed time/hertl who knows). This isn't even getting into Marners playoff inadequacy, I think when Marner gets traded it will be to some fringe playoff team that's trying to get over the hump like a Detroit. Someone is going to give Marchy 9 mil this offseason and it wont be vegas it doesn't fit the m.o. of the front office or sadly make sense. They will let him walk to resign 1 or 2 of stephenson/carrier/amadio and try and extend theo/logan thompson in July because as mentioned in the podcast theo/hague/kolesar are all UFA next season and so are both goalies they need to keep cap open to prepare for this not lock in 10+ for 8 years on another forward it just turns us into an older version of the leafs.
I don't think the golden knights would even do marner for theodore straightup. Theodore had almost a point a game last year even though he was injured, and is a rightshot number 1-1.5 d. Marner is an arguably overpaid play driving high scoring winger with an NMC that the entire league knows is being shopped on an expiring deal. You are getting max 75 cents on the dollar, especially from a team like Vegas. Look at the return for Hanifin. Start there and move up because Marner is a better player, but don't move that far up
lol nah. he's been hot garbage since him and his dad went around the city talking trash about Auston. Kypper even mentioned seeing a jealousy unlike anything he's ever seen in the game and its in Toronto but he won't mention names. All real fans know exactly who he's talking about. The grandma abuser
Adam: the preds getting marner makes no sense, they need a goal scorer Also Adam: islanders makes sense…they have no finishers but…. What lol!?! I think both teams would. Thing is I don’t think the islanders could possibly give us what we need other than cap space and draft picks. People are dreaming if they think Dobson would be available
Man, it's always funny to hear fans talk about trades. If you guys are expecting this type of a return when Mitch has the ultimate say on where he goes, you're going to be massively disappointed. First off, if Marner blocks a trade, the Leafs aren't going to sit him until December or play him on the 4th line. Give me a break. Second, why would any NHL team give up the farm to get a guy that you are so blatantly desperate to get rid of? You think other teams aren't going to know the spot that the Leafs are in? Of course they know, and they won't overpay. The teams that would overpay, Utah, Seattle, Winnipeg, LA, Marner's not waiving to go to those types of teams, in my opinion. The point Adam made should be the mentality of Leafs fans, if you trade Marner, the most important thing you'll get back is cap space to actively re-tool the team in the right way. I don't see a team that Mitch would be willing to waive for that will be sending you back anything massive. What I think happens is Mitch ends up blocking some trades from Utah and San Jose type teams, then the Leafs will be forced to decide whether to roll with him or to take less value on a trade from a team that Marner is willing to go to.
>Second, why would any NHL team give up the farm to get a guy that you are so blatantly desperate to get rid of? Every single team will gladly pay to get a Marner. Every single team. Just because the relationship isnt working here doesnt mean teams dont want that player. You pay the assets to ensure you actually get the player. What is he more likely to sign with? The team that can offer the 8th year, or every other team? Im banking on making the trade contingent on signing Marner. Anyway this is all fruitless they will be resigning Marner before the end of the summer.
@killzone866 my point isn't that a team wouldn't want a Marner, my point is that every team in the NHL knows the position the Leafs are in. They know the Leafs are desperate to get rid of him. Add to that, the fact that Mitch has to approve the destination, Leafs fans are going to be massively underwhelmed if a deal does happen to get done. I just don't see it happening.
@@thewickedone2676I don't think you understand how negotiations work. It doesn't matter that they know the Leafs want to trade him. In the end when it comes down to a few teams that Mitch waves for, those teams will have to out bid each other and Leafs get to pick the best package. It doesn't matter if he wants to leave or Leafs want him gone. The fact that other teams want him means he'll still be valuable. The only way it ends up like you're imagining is if he pulls a PLD or something and gives the Leafs literally only 1 team that he'll go to. Then of course there's no leverage.
To me, LA Kings seem like an obvious fit for Marner. They want & need high end players and they have plenty of depth but lack the high end. Jim Hillier is familiar with Marner too. Something like Moore and getting a high end D prospect in Brandt Clarke could be the way to go. Acquiring established high end defensemen are impossible. You have to find one before the breakout like Minny did in the Fiala trade by getting Faber.
I know Adam is being sarcastic.. but I just wanna make sure he realizes that 90% of his "scenarios" involve taking in 7m+ in cap from trading out Marner (10.9m) and then signing 2-3 players at 5m+ each... Not entirely sure how you fit that all under the cap XD
Ironically, if Keefe had benched Marner or Matthews when they weren't going, all the other guys would fall in line and step up. Happened in San Antonio with Coach Pop and Tim Duncan. He would get onto his best player/Hall of Famer. All the other players saw that Duncan wasn't immune.
Also I’m gonna need the boys to learn and put respect on the name of pending UFA defenseman Matt Roy. He’s arguably the best defensive defenseman on the market (yes even better than Pesce). He’s big, a right shot, physical, and is elite defensively. He’d be the perfect Rielly partner.
You know the Devils are soft right. Devils need alot of work. Too bad they will overpay for a goalie instead of trading for Gust or 2025 1st for Ullmark and they need some meat but again Devils gm is a clown
Going way back, my extended family grew up next door to the Maloneys. Ran into Dan Maloney many years after he had retired in a pub. Thought I'd say hello.... Before I was able to explain who I was, I got the "look." Like Steve I thought "well it's been a good run, guess this is it." Once I explained who I was, he was very friendly, but for a moment I was preparing to meet my maker.....RIP Dan.
1:25:26 once we traded for faulk and signed him. I knew Petro was gone. And i still hate that move to this day and. The way the GM constructed the defense is the reason why we wanted him gone when Berube got fired
And Dunn. There was nothing the blues could do, he wanted more ice time and Berube didnt want to give him it. Apparently there was a deal with Vancouver for Dunn but idk if that was true
"I'ma give Noah Gregor your minutes, no you're not, and if you are that's why we're gonna lose." That mindset is exactly why a Canadian team hasn't won a cup in 31 years.
Exactly. I keep hearing it again and again. No concept of TEAM, just a few high-paid athletes who are supposed to carry the team. Then, you realize that's just management/ownership trying to put out the show horses for the crowd, not actually working towards a TEAM mentality that'll win a Stanley Cup.
On the discussion of Vegas and Marner. I was thinking it would be an interesting trade if VGK offered up: Daniil Chayka, Brendon Brisson, and a top 4 defensemen (or hague). Maybe toss in a mid round pick. That would help TOR get younger with some future NHL help on the blueline (right side) and Brisson a bit of a top 9 potential sniper! Thoughts? would love to hear on a future pod.
Blues fan. We protected faulk krug and parayko, but we left tarasenko unprotected as he was at odds with the organization after his shoulder situation. Management was hoping (IMO), that seattle would take vladdy. Instead they took the younger cheaper no injury history dman vince dunn. They just signed krug and faulk, and parayko is (was) a big mobile dman and a fan favorite so it was those 3 by default that got protected.
Sure Marner can spite the Leafs and ride out his last season. There is zero chance that he gets put on the 4th line and plays 10 mins a game or the Leafs can kiss the playoffs goodbye. He’s their best playmaker and penalty killer. If you think that Nylander can fill those roles then fans are kidding themselves. Nylander is a pylon defensively and never gets called out on it. The guy almost scored 100 points and was only a plus 1.
What? Lmao people call out Willy all the time for his half ass back checking what are you even talking about. Lmao because you don't look doesn't mean it isn't there.
The Leafs might gain a lot more by trading Marner for a bunch of picks and prospects over vets and active players, the liberated cap space is what is important here and a classic hockey deal (player vs player) limits greatly the amount of potential dance partners. Freeing the 10.9 first opens up so many opportunities in free agency and/or for multiple smaller trades later on. Hell even if the Marner trade is underwhelming the Leafs might have the last laugh as long as most of the 10.9 is freed up.
since retiring in 2021 Pekka Rinne has been the goalie coach for the Finnish U20 program. Would it be worth brining him in to work alongside or replace Curtis Stanford? Rinne is 2cm taller than Joseph Woll and 2cm shorter than Hildeby (Who will likely spend time with the leafs next season) Goailes of note that learned from Rinne in Nashville are Chris Mason and Juuse Saros.
It’s also very true. I personally think we won’t win the cup with reilly as our #1 d man. He isn’t Josi, makar, hedman, level etc. Reilly been here 11 years and we haven’t won with him. He isn’t 2017, 72 point mo anymore.
hearing so much talk about my old coach, Shea Theodore, is pretty cool. It'll be sad to see him go, but if this trade does somehow happen, it wouldn't be the worst, especially if losing marchy is going to happen.
The thing about Mitch Marner is that, if you want to threaten him by putting him on the 4th line (or scratching him entirely), what's the first thing the Leafs are gonna do if they struggle? What happens if they lose their first 2-3 games of the season next year, you don't think Mitch gets a promotion? C'mon. So I mean, the viewer has a point. Mitch could just simply say he likes Toronto, doesn't want to waive his NMC, and wants to test free agency next year. That doesn't mean he WON'T waive it, but no one knows. There have been 0 credible reports about what Mitch's preference is. None. Zilch.
IMO they should not settle for less than what Winnipeg got for Dubois. Someone is going to overvalue the hell out of Marner and give up a lot to acquire him.
Lawson Crouse A 2ND AND 3RD ROUND THIS YEAR gives the Laffs back their 2nd round pick in 2025 and frees up 6 mil in cap space for the next 3 years. Then sign Montour or Myers
I met George Laraque in a hotel lobby in Montreal. I recall him as being one of the premier enforcers in the league. He didn't have "the look" at least on the day I met him.
In order for the leafs to fix there goaltending and defence would be to trade marner in the Calgary deal I have proposed they also would need to keep knies mcmann Robertson holmberg on the team also bring up Cowan and minten that’s enough there to make 2 very cheap lines if they have any hopes of resigning domi and bertuzzi and adding at least 2 UFA defenceman
I like that trade thought by Jesse and here's why. I only have one year with Shea Theodore. However, Tavares comes off at the end of next year opening up 11 million dollars to try to re-sign him and Kolesar with next year. Like in the current situation I see what Steve is saying but having probably 13 million available between Tavares coming off and 2 mill more cap room, it is a good move. I mean, no way Vegas says yes to that but I would love it.
the most overrated defensive player I've seen in my life. bro is terrible defensively and this clown fan base says BS like this then insults Austons defence (Selke finalist) LOL
I think Tre will leave room to go after Zadorov this year from the Canucks. He was trying to trade for him at the deadline and Zadorov said he wanted to be traded to toronto before they shipped him to Vancouver
Way overestimating what the leafs are gonna get for Marner. He’s known for not playing well in the playoffs and he prob won’t waive if the leafs are sending him to a rebuilder and he’s only got 1 year til he is a UFA. Where is the market for him?
Exactly, Marner is an absolutely special player, but his situation is the worst possible situation for getting any sort of valuable assets back, would not be surprised at all if they ran it back one more time
Your off on the penguins. It was goaltending that kept them out, the "old" guys were still superstars and they did have young guys, especially during the end run. Differential tells a big story.
29:54 @sdpn How is Adam so sure that 16 and 44 refused to do post game media after Game 7? Pretty sure, upper management/PR are the ones making decisions regarding on what players will be made available post game. Specifically to Mo, who I think is an incredible leader and probably the real captain of the team, I don't think he would ever refuse to media after a tough playoff, season-ending loss, if it were up to him. To me, he's one of the most accountable guys on the team and the heart and soul of this team (see Ridley Grieg incident and end of season brutally honest comments about how close they are to a cup). I'm pretty sure in almost each of the past season-ending losses, Mo is one of the guys doing post game media. I just don't know if it's fair to say these guys refused to do media after Game 7, if they never had control of making that choice in the first place.
So many people have said online that Leafs PR doesn’t make the players who do the pre game media do post game as well, and he still keeps ignoring it saying they “refused” to talk
A full no movement clause marner, is going to get a player like theodore? No chance Honestly they are not going to get a proper value for him unfortunately.
@@Ben.Mangelshe's going to, people are just being reactionary. Fans put more stock into "bad playoff players" than teams do. They'll look at his regular season totals and think a change of scenery is going to help him in the postseason.
Marner to Seattle is interesting, but I cannot imagine Seattle - a team that couldn't score last season - moving out the only guy they have who consistently scores goals in McCann. The point of them going for Marner would be for Marner to set McCann up. A forward like Tolvanen or Bjorkstrand makes more sense. Larsson might make sense for them to move out as long as they had a plan to get a 1RD replacement.
@@PierreLucDubois80for Marner. That would be it, maybe the Rangers 2nd. Fair trade, Leafs get about $4m cap space + Dunn. Seattle needs offense, gonna cost
Yeah, Seattle has plenty of defensively minded forwards that Toronto should be drooling over if I'm being honest. And Seattle played dump and chase... They all know how to go battle for pucks.
If the NHL doesn't want that Dallas goal to be a goal, make the crease bigger. They made it smaller so these goals would count. The call was horrendous. You can argue on the ice its fast sure, but the review shows both skates don't go into the blue until he's pushed.
Boys, why is nobody mentioning a Marner to Buffalo trade? ( besides the fact that he’s probably light us up every time we play the Sabres..) It works for both teams, Marner alongside Tage Thompson sounds pretty sick. In return, how does Bowen Byram+ ( high pick or maybe young high ceiling forward ) sound? Seems to me like a win/win scenario 🤷♂️
The only thing I question about Berube is that he couldn’t squeeze any contribution out of Kyrou. I didn’t like his contract when it was signed, but I’m always looking to be wrong. Kyrou just sucked. And he wasn’t benched or moved down the lineup until the season was already pretty much lost.
Accountability starts with a paycheck! Make them accountable by punishing bad performances financially. No end of year bonuses for not making it out of round 1!!!! Can’t pay them multi millions and ask them to care. No it’s all ass backwards you get paid once your performance is analyzed for the whole season. Like seriously wtf.
Three things are certain in life....death, taxes, and SDPN recording before news breaks.
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Keefe just got hired by the devils 😭😂
His win record with the leafs is great
Maybe this could be a new NHL tradition? At the end of the regular season, all 32 teams randomly swap their head coaches to each other.
@@mrquirky3626include coaches in the cap, and allow them to be traded.
Could be a good fit. Wish him well.
Good for Sheldon. He's a good coach and a class act. Glad he landed in a sweet spot. I root for good people
of course this comes out right as Keefe gets hired
SDPN is cursed in that regard. 😅
It wouldn’t be an SDP episode if big news breaks after they finish the podcast episode 😂 Keefe to the devils
It wouldn’t be an SDP episode if big news didn’t break after they finished the podcast episode 😂 Keefe to the devils
Adam to be so sure Marner won't screw the Leafs is so wild after seeing how his last contract negotiations went
They male it sound like marner has no power. When realistically he has all the power, this is why you don't give all your good players full nmc that walk them to UFA status.
The difference is this time Marner gets his money no matter where he is.
Yeah, Mitch definitely wouldn’t pull what John Tavares did to the Islanders right?
Agreed. He sounded like a complete idiot. These guys job is literally the Leafs, why do they keep sweeping the Marner/Auston jealousy aka obsession under the rug? Adam saying "Mitch is a really really really good guy", bro he makes $16M CAD a year + most sponsorships in the NHL and can't even give his own grandma free tickets to the game. Let alone talk to her. I used to like Adam but this guy is clearly a left wing idiot. The Marner family are terrible people just like Mitch. You get 20 free tickets per game and cant give ONE to your grandma, you make her pay with her own money and carry a sign saying "PLEASE MITCH COME SAY HI" to pregame warmups like a fan... Sickening. Absolutely sick people Paul and Mitch Marner are
Jesse & Adam really speaking out both sides of their mouths when discussing scratching Matthews & Marner at the cost of a regular season win, after drumming on incessantly after the Game 7 loss about picking up more regular season wins to win the division and play a weaker opponent in round 1. Those two opinions contradict each other.
yeah lol i was getting annoyed at that.
BACK TO BACK SDPN DAYS BABY!!!!!
Steve Dangle asking for the trade a year ago: "Trade one of them and lose the deal, but we need change"
Steve now that a trade seems imminent: "If we trade Mitch for Konecny we better get 5 other assets and they better be good!"
Perfectly timed podcast episode 🎉
My prediction is Mitch won’t get traded at all 😂. Berube will say “I can fix him”
Good grief, if that happens the domino effect will become a serious problem for all the other moves, contracts etc in the whole team. 🤯😱
Re Marner convo: Marner’s cap hit is 10.9 and then he’s a UFA. I don’t think he will fetch as much in a trade as people seem to think especially if zero $ is retained.
After July 1 his actual salary is 750k, it's just the cap hit
@PeteWalkersBurner the cap hit is fairly important. Marner is only going to waive to go to a competitor and no competitor has that kind of cap space. It just ain't going to happen.
As a Vegas fan all vegas/Marner trade proposals begin and end with we have no room to pay for Marchessault yet supposedly can fit in Marner, especially with the amount of depth we are about to lose in free agency.
I'll be nice and say the trade package that Jessie presented is..... not desirable, We would not have a 3rd defensive pair or 4th line (3rd line might even be sus) and a ton of our top guys are old/injury prone (stone/pietro/eichels missed time/hertl who knows). This isn't even getting into Marners playoff inadequacy, I think when Marner gets traded it will be to some fringe playoff team that's trying to get over the hump like a Detroit.
Someone is going to give Marchy 9 mil this offseason and it wont be vegas it doesn't fit the m.o. of the front office or sadly make sense. They will let him walk to resign 1 or 2 of stephenson/carrier/amadio and try and extend theo/logan thompson in July because as mentioned in the podcast theo/hague/kolesar are all UFA next season and so are both goalies they need to keep cap open to prepare for this not lock in 10+ for 8 years on another forward it just turns us into an older version of the leafs.
I don't think the golden knights would even do marner for theodore straightup. Theodore had almost a point a game last year even though he was injured, and is a rightshot number 1-1.5 d. Marner is an arguably overpaid play driving high scoring winger with an NMC that the entire league knows is being shopped on an expiring deal. You are getting max 75 cents on the dollar, especially from a team like Vegas. Look at the return for Hanifin. Start there and move up because Marner is a better player, but don't move that far up
The Dallas defenseman everyone talked about that one summer was Julius Honka
Keefe vs Dubas in the Metro. Wild.
These trades are pipe dreams
Mike Sullivan USA head coach not Canada
You guys are high on something if you think Shea Theodore is going to Toronto for Marner 🤣🤣🤣
Toronto fans are delusional
Mitch Marner is so good when we are looking to trade him 😂😂
lol nah. he's been hot garbage since him and his dad went around the city talking trash about Auston. Kypper even mentioned seeing a jealousy unlike anything he's ever seen in the game and its in Toronto but he won't mention names. All real fans know exactly who he's talking about. The grandma abuser
Adam: the preds getting marner makes no sense, they need a goal scorer
Also Adam: islanders makes sense…they have no finishers but….
What lol!?! I think both teams would. Thing is I don’t think the islanders could possibly give us what we need other than cap space and draft picks. People are dreaming if they think Dobson would be available
Man, it's always funny to hear fans talk about trades. If you guys are expecting this type of a return when Mitch has the ultimate say on where he goes, you're going to be massively disappointed. First off, if Marner blocks a trade, the Leafs aren't going to sit him until December or play him on the 4th line. Give me a break.
Second, why would any NHL team give up the farm to get a guy that you are so blatantly desperate to get rid of? You think other teams aren't going to know the spot that the Leafs are in? Of course they know, and they won't overpay. The teams that would overpay, Utah, Seattle, Winnipeg, LA, Marner's not waiving to go to those types of teams, in my opinion.
The point Adam made should be the mentality of Leafs fans, if you trade Marner, the most important thing you'll get back is cap space to actively re-tool the team in the right way. I don't see a team that Mitch would be willing to waive for that will be sending you back anything massive.
What I think happens is Mitch ends up blocking some trades from Utah and San Jose type teams, then the Leafs will be forced to decide whether to roll with him or to take less value on a trade from a team that Marner is willing to go to.
Yeah those mock trades were hilarious
Totally delusional
>Second, why would any NHL team give up the farm to get a guy that you are so blatantly desperate to get rid of?
Every single team will gladly pay to get a Marner. Every single team. Just because the relationship isnt working here doesnt mean teams dont want that player. You pay the assets to ensure you actually get the player. What is he more likely to sign with? The team that can offer the 8th year, or every other team? Im banking on making the trade contingent on signing Marner.
Anyway this is all fruitless they will be resigning Marner before the end of the summer.
@killzone866 my point isn't that a team wouldn't want a Marner, my point is that every team in the NHL knows the position the Leafs are in. They know the Leafs are desperate to get rid of him. Add to that, the fact that Mitch has to approve the destination, Leafs fans are going to be massively underwhelmed if a deal does happen to get done. I just don't see it happening.
@@thewickedone2676I don't think you understand how negotiations work. It doesn't matter that they know the Leafs want to trade him. In the end when it comes down to a few teams that Mitch waves for, those teams will have to out bid each other and Leafs get to pick the best package. It doesn't matter if he wants to leave or Leafs want him gone. The fact that other teams want him means he'll still be valuable. The only way it ends up like you're imagining is if he pulls a PLD or something and gives the Leafs literally only 1 team that he'll go to. Then of course there's no leverage.
To me, LA Kings seem like an obvious fit for Marner. They want & need high end players and they have plenty of depth but lack the high end. Jim Hillier is familiar with Marner too.
Something like Moore and getting a high end D prospect in Brandt Clarke could be the way to go. Acquiring established high end defensemen are impossible. You have to find one before the breakout like Minny did in the Fiala trade by getting Faber.
LA would laugh at that offer
Thanks for making me apart of your guy’s podcast that was a exciting surprise!
I know Adam is being sarcastic.. but I just wanna make sure he realizes that 90% of his "scenarios" involve taking in 7m+ in cap from trading out Marner (10.9m) and then signing 2-3 players at 5m+ each... Not entirely sure how you fit that all under the cap XD
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Devils about to fork the Leafs
Ironically, if Keefe had benched Marner or Matthews when they weren't going, all the other guys would fall in line and step up.
Happened in San Antonio with Coach Pop and Tim Duncan. He would get onto his best player/Hall of Famer. All the other players saw that Duncan wasn't immune.
these guys and hypothetical trades are one of the funniest thing on youtube.
They always have this belief that people will overpay toronto for trades.
The Hockey Gods look at the New Jersey Devils, raise an eyebrow and smile at one another.
Král is my favorite player. I've been a fan since he was with the Spokane Chiefs in the WHL. I am super happy to see him come back to North America.
Could you guys do a save of the playoffs segment at some point? Don’t know if you guys did that at some point but thought I’d recommend it.
Also I’m gonna need the boys to learn and put respect on the name of pending UFA defenseman Matt Roy. He’s arguably the best defensive defenseman on the market (yes even better than Pesce). He’s big, a right shot, physical, and is elite defensively. He’d be the perfect Rielly partner.
keefe to the devils lmfao. i’m fully expecting the devils to beat the leafs in 6 games in the first round because the “hockey gods” hate toronto.
You know the Devils are soft right. Devils need alot of work. Too bad they will overpay for a goalie instead of trading for Gust or 2025 1st for Ullmark and they need some meat but again Devils gm is a clown
The odds the Leafs play New Jersey in the 1st round are very unlikely.
Going way back, my extended family grew up next door to the Maloneys. Ran into Dan Maloney many years after he had retired in a pub. Thought I'd say hello.... Before I was able to explain who I was, I got the "look." Like Steve I thought "well it's been a good run, guess this is it." Once I explained who I was, he was very friendly, but for a moment I was preparing to meet my maker.....RIP Dan.
Jesse has now got my hopes up for a Marner Theadore trade package
Tie Domi once autographed a cheque for my grandmother at a Longos😂
Brother just missed the Keefe news😂 EVERY TIME!
1:25:26 once we traded for faulk and signed him. I knew Petro was gone. And i still hate that move to this day and. The way the GM constructed the defense is the reason why we wanted him gone when Berube got fired
And Dunn. There was nothing the blues could do, he wanted more ice time and Berube didnt want to give him it. Apparently there was a deal with Vancouver for Dunn but idk if that was true
"I'ma give Noah Gregor your minutes, no you're not, and if you are that's why we're gonna lose." That mindset is exactly why a Canadian team hasn't won a cup in 31 years.
Exactly. I keep hearing it again and again. No concept of TEAM, just a few high-paid athletes who are supposed to carry the team. Then, you realize that's just management/ownership trying to put out the show horses for the crowd, not actually working towards a TEAM mentality that'll win a Stanley Cup.
One of the meanest enforcer stares is that of Brian McGraten
Always makes me laugh that you guys get owned by Boston in the play-offs, year in year out... and your fave pizza joint is Boston Pizza 🤣
On the discussion of Vegas and Marner. I was thinking it would be an interesting trade if VGK offered up: Daniil Chayka, Brendon Brisson, and a top 4 defensemen (or hague). Maybe toss in a mid round pick. That would help TOR get younger with some future NHL help on the blueline (right side) and Brisson a bit of a top 9 potential sniper! Thoughts? would love to hear on a future pod.
Blues fan. We protected faulk krug and parayko, but we left tarasenko unprotected as he was at odds with the organization after his shoulder situation. Management was hoping (IMO), that seattle would take vladdy. Instead they took the younger cheaper no injury history dman vince dunn. They just signed krug and faulk, and parayko is (was) a big mobile dman and a fan favorite so it was those 3 by default that got protected.
Sure Marner can spite the Leafs and ride out his last season. There is zero chance that he gets put on the 4th line and plays 10 mins a game or the Leafs can kiss the playoffs goodbye. He’s their best playmaker and penalty killer. If you think that Nylander can fill those roles then fans are kidding themselves. Nylander is a pylon defensively and never gets called out on it. The guy almost scored 100 points and was only a plus 1.
What? Lmao people call out Willy all the time for his half ass back checking what are you even talking about. Lmao because you don't look doesn't mean it isn't there.
Marner will be either in the press box or on the 4th line if he pulls half the crybaby crap that he did with Sheldon.
To the shock of no one they're massively over estimating the value of mitch marner
The Leafs might gain a lot more by trading Marner for a bunch of picks and prospects over vets and active players, the liberated cap space is what is important here and a classic hockey deal (player vs player) limits greatly the amount of potential dance partners.
Freeing the 10.9 first opens up so many opportunities in free agency and/or for multiple smaller trades later on. Hell even if the Marner trade is underwhelming the Leafs might have the last laugh as long as most of the 10.9 is freed up.
Steve, the full sentence is "Oh no! It's Mojo Jojo!"
Or, in Australian, it's "Aur naur! It's Maurjaur Jaurjaur!"
So funny!
since retiring in 2021 Pekka Rinne has been the goalie coach for the Finnish U20 program. Would it be worth brining him in to work alongside or replace Curtis Stanford? Rinne is 2cm taller than Joseph Woll and 2cm shorter than Hildeby (Who will likely spend time with the leafs next season)
Goailes of note that learned from Rinne in Nashville are Chris Mason and Juuse Saros.
Weird to be this early. As a Blues fan I'm happy for the Leafs and the hiring of Chief.
For wrestling fans enforcers look at you like Haku, Darcy Tucker looks at you like Brian Pillman.
Damn that’s a good one, I always got Jack Nicholson from the Shining vibes from Tucker but Pillman is a great comparison.
10:56 Rick Tocchet has a menacing stare as well.
You guys are nuts, why would any playoff team want a guy who’s clearly not built for the playoffs. Those teams know what you know
Accountability is to the team and not to the fans or the media!!
It’s also very true. I personally think we won’t win the cup with reilly as our #1 d man. He isn’t Josi, makar, hedman, level etc. Reilly been here 11 years and we haven’t won with him. He isn’t 2017, 72 point mo anymore.
hearing so much talk about my old coach, Shea Theodore, is pretty cool. It'll be sad to see him go, but if this trade does somehow happen, it wouldn't be the worst, especially if losing marchy is going to happen.
7:38 interesting discussion, btw Adam Berube has high cheek bones because he's first Nations (that's why his nickname is Chief lol)
The thing about Mitch Marner is that, if you want to threaten him by putting him on the 4th line (or scratching him entirely), what's the first thing the Leafs are gonna do if they struggle? What happens if they lose their first 2-3 games of the season next year, you don't think Mitch gets a promotion? C'mon.
So I mean, the viewer has a point. Mitch could just simply say he likes Toronto, doesn't want to waive his NMC, and wants to test free agency next year. That doesn't mean he WON'T waive it, but no one knows. There have been 0 credible reports about what Mitch's preference is. None. Zilch.
IMO they should not settle for less than what Winnipeg got for Dubois. Someone is going to overvalue the hell out of Marner and give up a lot to acquire him.
YES! Got Adam Wylde working the Monaco Grand Prix.
Lawson Crouse A 2ND AND 3RD ROUND THIS YEAR gives the Laffs back their 2nd round pick in 2025 and frees up 6 mil in cap space for the next 3 years. Then sign Montour or Myers
Bettmen won’t let a Canadian final happen ever as long as he is running the league
I met George Laraque in a hotel lobby in Montreal. I recall him as being one of the premier enforcers in the league. He didn't have "the look" at least on the day I met him.
Georges is the exception. In real life he's a big Teddy Bear
This Sunday is the biggest day of the year racing.. F1 in morning.. Indy 500 afternoon (hopefully) Nascar Evening
Detroit will take a swing for Marner.
Yzerman would never acquire Marner
Hahahaha not a chance. It's Yzerman, not Kenny Holland.
Steve in those shady rays looks like Colbert doing his Biden impression.
In order for the leafs to fix there goaltending and defence would be to trade marner in the Calgary deal I have proposed they also would need to keep knies mcmann Robertson holmberg on the team also bring up Cowan and minten that’s enough there to make 2 very cheap lines if they have any hopes of resigning domi and bertuzzi and adding at least 2 UFA defenceman
Go through cap friendly... hard to find a trade
On the ref talk here: why doesn’t the NHL have ref cam footage? The IIFH shows fun and handy ref cam POV shots… 🤔
ultimate death stare, Dave Semenko.
I like that trade thought by Jesse and here's why. I only have one year with Shea Theodore. However, Tavares comes off at the end of next year opening up 11 million dollars to try to re-sign him and Kolesar with next year. Like in the current situation I see what Steve is saying but having probably 13 million available between Tavares coming off and 2 mill more cap room, it is a good move.
I mean, no way Vegas says yes to that but I would love it.
Crazy idea: Put Marner on defence
Yeah, cause that’s where you want a non-physical player to play.
the most overrated defensive player I've seen in my life. bro is terrible defensively and this clown fan base says BS like this then insults Austons defence (Selke finalist) LOL
I absolutely can’t wait for Treliving to give you guys your Huberdeau trade so you can be miserable too ;)
Why cant the Leafs make a Marner trade and include cash to cover the bonus payment? Is there some rule that negates doing that?
I think Tre will leave room to go after Zadorov this year from the Canucks. He was trying to trade for him at the deadline and Zadorov said he wanted to be traded to toronto before they shipped him to Vancouver
If they are willing to pay 6 million per season for like 6 years. That’s apparently what his ask is
@@lastresort3188 Id say as much as a stud he's gonna be give him to someone who would pay that.
unless its under 5M per please no.
From Keefe to the Chief, Lets gooo lol
Way overestimating what the leafs are gonna get for Marner. He’s known for not playing well in the playoffs and he prob won’t waive if the leafs are sending him to a rebuilder and he’s only got 1 year til he is a UFA. Where is the market for him?
Exactly, Marner is an absolutely special player, but his situation is the worst possible situation for getting any sort of valuable assets back, would not be surprised at all if they ran it back one more time
Maybe SDPN panel on Amazon Monday night Hockey with CJ in the cone of silence
Your off on the penguins. It was goaltending that kept them out, the "old" guys were still superstars and they did have young guys, especially during the end run. Differential tells a big story.
29:54 @sdpn How is Adam so sure that 16 and 44 refused to do post game media after Game 7? Pretty sure, upper management/PR are the ones making decisions regarding on what players will be made available post game. Specifically to Mo, who I think is an incredible leader and probably the real captain of the team, I don't think he would ever refuse to media after a tough playoff, season-ending loss, if it were up to him. To me, he's one of the most accountable guys on the team and the heart and soul of this team (see Ridley Grieg incident and end of season brutally honest comments about how close they are to a cup). I'm pretty sure in almost each of the past season-ending losses, Mo is one of the guys doing post game media. I just don't know if it's fair to say these guys refused to do media after Game 7, if they never had control of making that choice in the first place.
So many people have said online that Leafs PR doesn’t make the players who do the pre game media do post game as well, and he still keeps ignoring it saying they “refused” to talk
No one tells the players if they can speak postgame on the Leafs
Adam doing the WCF is just insulting to the WC😂😂😂😂
Adam is on the fricking ball about the alternate captains on the fricking leafs.
anddddd Sheldon Keefe is the coach of the Devils now
A full no movement clause marner, is going to get a player like theodore? No chance
Honestly they are not going to get a proper value for him unfortunately.
I could be wrong, but I think that Marner will get a pretty good return.
@@Ben.Mangelshe's going to, people are just being reactionary. Fans put more stock into "bad playoff players" than teams do. They'll look at his regular season totals and think a change of scenery is going to help him in the postseason.
As a Finnish NHL fan (rooting ”Finnish” teams) Oilers vs Rangers is my worst nightmare. I’d hate that so much. Imagine Edmonton winning 🤮
If I’m Vegas I’m not move anything for Marner. Absolutely nothing… he makes my team worse
how has buffalo not been brought up? they have cap space, they have an abundance of defense and they need a set up guy for tage.
Penguins Fan here, if you make the Dubas Loves His Guys shirt. I totally would buy one.
Marner to Seattle is interesting, but I cannot imagine Seattle - a team that couldn't score last season - moving out the only guy they have who consistently scores goals in McCann. The point of them going for Marner would be for Marner to set McCann up. A forward like Tolvanen or Bjorkstrand makes more sense. Larsson might make sense for them to move out as long as they had a plan to get a 1RD replacement.
Vince Dunn and a prospect.
@@rickyaz8640but why would they give up dunn?
@@PierreLucDubois80for Marner. That would be it, maybe the Rangers 2nd. Fair trade, Leafs get about $4m cap space + Dunn. Seattle needs offense, gonna cost
Yeah, Seattle has plenty of defensively minded forwards that Toronto should be drooling over if I'm being honest. And Seattle played dump and chase... They all know how to go battle for pucks.
5:37 it'll be bittersweet, but Steve Dangle is right.
Chuck with even fewer fucks to give is going to be hilarious
If the NHL doesn't want that Dallas goal to be a goal, make the crease bigger. They made it smaller so these goals would count. The call was horrendous. You can argue on the ice its fast sure, but the review shows both skates don't go into the blue until he's pushed.
Last time I was this early, my gf dumped me
Boys, why is nobody mentioning a Marner to Buffalo trade? ( besides the fact that he’s probably light us up every time we play the Sabres..)
It works for both teams, Marner alongside Tage Thompson sounds pretty sick. In return, how does Bowen Byram+ ( high pick or maybe young high ceiling forward ) sound?
Seems to me like a win/win scenario 🤷♂️
Yeo did the stick thing with the wild
47:00 Tavares getting all the strays.
Now both Dubas AND Keefe live rent free in SDPN's heads. Get ready for more copium and overanalysis from Steve and Adam.
Trade Marner for 2 top Defence.
Trade Morgan for a goalie.
Solved problems.
1:39:00 After this podcast came out. The Blue Jays where like ok here, we will bring the home run jacket back.
The only thing I question about Berube is that he couldn’t squeeze any contribution out of Kyrou. I didn’t like his contract when it was signed, but I’m always looking to be wrong. Kyrou just sucked. And he wasn’t benched or moved down the lineup until the season was already pretty much lost.
That Vegas deal Jesse mocked up, I LOVE IT!!! Theodore would be a MONSTER on the back end for us!!!
Accountability starts with a paycheck! Make them accountable by punishing bad performances financially. No end of year bonuses for not making it out of round 1!!!! Can’t pay them multi millions and ask them to care. No it’s all ass backwards you get paid once your performance is analyzed for the whole season. Like seriously wtf.