Should I Collect Social Security Early and Invest it?

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  • When you go to collect Social security, you want to make sure you’re selecting the option to open the most amount of dollars in your pocket over the course of your retirement. Some people think it’s best to take social security at 62 while others believe it’s better to delay social security and collect a larger benefit. In today’s video, we are going to talk about what is the best age to file for social security retirement benefits and what are the pros and cons of taking social security early versus delaying it.
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    1:25 - Benefit Options
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    9:02 - What If You Collect Early And Don't Invest?
    11:37 - Benefits of Delaying SS
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 639

  • @Medmann48
    @Medmann48 2 роки тому +159

    So if I start collecting SS at 62 the break even if I would have started at 67 is Age 78, how many of us are going to live past 78? How much longer than 78 will we live? You need to retire as soon as you can afford it. My dad is 84 & his day is mostly just watch TV & reading books, he can't walk more than a few steps & is in a nursing home. The actual amount of your retirement when you can actually "Do" stuff may be shorter than you think. We need to look at functional life span versus just actual lifespan.

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому +15

      Agreed. This is just looking at how to maximize lifetime benefits without respect to how healthy the latter years are.

    • @johngill2853
      @johngill2853 2 роки тому +4

      When you collect Social Security, should have nothing to do with how much you spend in your retirement. It should be based on all factors. For me it's spending down my 401k that is the biggest Factor

    • @f430ferrari5
      @f430ferrari5 Рік тому +2

      If one is already 62 then for male is a little over 20 years to live. So 82.
      For females it’s 22 years so 84
      If one is 67 then for male 16.49 years so 83.5.
      My parents are 82 and in good health. They walk and travel.
      My father worked up to 65. My mom was part time and retired at 70. She didn’t earn much. They collected SS at FRA which was 65 for them.
      My wife and I plan to take SS at 67 and retire around 62/63.

    • @sammencia7945
      @sammencia7945 Рік тому +3

      75% live past 78.
      62 life span is 81 to 84.

    • @DK-pr9ny
      @DK-pr9ny Рік тому +2

      Break even depends on how it does in the market if you invest it.

  • @janesmith506
    @janesmith506 2 місяці тому +7

    3/18/24: Here’s how to watch James’s videos: (1) Get out your retirement spreadsheets, notes, worksheets. (2) Watch one of James’s videos while taking notes on new perspectives and ideas (or watch while you are on the elliptical and take notes later). (3) Revise spreadsheets, notes, worksheets. (4) IF MARRIED, casually mention only most salient point from video to spouse and explain (if they let you) until their eyes glaze over. 5) Watch another one of James’s videos. (6) Repeat steps (3), (4), and (5) until you have watched them all. (5) Force your spouse to watch (with you, of course) the three videos that cover the topics that your spouse understands the least. Hopefully James will continue making these great videos for people like me. Thanks James!

  • @msills255347
    @msills255347 Рік тому +73

    This actually was the best articulated, most succinct discussion on social security that I've seen and heard. Congratulations on that!

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  Рік тому +1

      Thank you!

    • @geraldclough2870
      @geraldclough2870 Рік тому +3

      If a person can afford to take early, and knows how to invest, Early will always be better. But it does not work for less intelligent people.

    • @PH-md8xp
      @PH-md8xp 9 місяців тому

      @@geraldclough2870 That’s why for many people, a good financial advisor can make a big difference.

    • @kb1236
      @kb1236 5 місяців тому

      @@geraldclough2870 not so much intelligence but knowledge and discipline of investing.

  • @Davek111
    @Davek111 2 роки тому +52

    Retiring at 58 and collecting at 62.... for this exact reason. It takes so many years to break even, while giving up 5 years of enjoying retirement. This is an easy decision!

    • @ltlarrow1
      @ltlarrow1 2 роки тому

      and then what happens if you live past age 78?

    • @Davek111
      @Davek111 2 роки тому +18

      @@ltlarrow1 SS doesn't stop. So I continue to receive that same amount, and the inflationary adjustments that are also given. And I continue to access funds from my 401 and investment portfolio.

    • @dancalmpeaceful3903
      @dancalmpeaceful3903 2 роки тому +4

      I agree....I"m shooting for age 60...and then collecting at 62......while SS is still around and the Dems and Libs DON'T spend it.

    • @Davek111
      @Davek111 2 роки тому

      @@dancalmpeaceful3903 Or before the Republicans pilferage SS to support the tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy. The Republicans consider SS an entitlement program. They've said it publicly.... to the chagrin of 99% of the public.

    • @commonman80
      @commonman80 2 роки тому +11

      I Agree 100%... Get Out Early And Enjoy The Rest Of Your Life.. You Can Even Invest In Yourself.. By Doing The Things You've Always Wanted To Do, But Never Had Time To Do Because You Worked For Someone Else.. Then? It Won't Be "Retirement" Per Se.. It'll Be Enjoying Your Ladder Years Because You're Enjoying Doing What You Love To Do.. Jus Sayin.. Yep...

  • @pensacola321
    @pensacola321 2 роки тому +51

    I personally think people suffer this decision to much. Make your decision , and enjoy your life..... There is only so much in your life time wealth bucket.... Nice analysis....

    • @lindawoolsey9798
      @lindawoolsey9798 10 місяців тому +2

      My father always said “ Make an important decision in haste, live to regret it in leisure”. Time & analysis are needed to make the right decision for yourself & your future happiness

    • @JeanPierreWhite
      @JeanPierreWhite 9 місяців тому +1

      Depends on the type of person you are. If you hate thinking about financial things, sure don't punish yourself with detailed analyses. If you enjoy the analysis and optimizing your finances, make it part of your retirement hobbies.
      Different strokes for different folks.

    • @Beadgcfb
      @Beadgcfb Місяць тому

      Way too much weight is put on avoiding regret. It's a destructive and useless emotion. Make a decision, look forward.

  • @davisholman8149
    @davisholman8149 Рік тому +8

    My dad and my brother both passed at age 63, from different reasons. Sorry, but take the SS. Like the investing idea. And btw, ‘working’ a little part time - keeps you active & is FUN.

    • @davisholman8149
      @davisholman8149 Рік тому

      (OK, I’m working 2 days a week at my favorite golf course as a caddy...yes it is ‘fun’.😎)

  • @BarryJSilva
    @BarryJSilva 2 роки тому +7

    Every year I wait to collect the monthly payment goes up 8% with today's (2022) cost of living currently at 5.9%, I'm waiting because I cannot get an investment that will guarantee me 13.9% annually. If I collect early, I will loose the 8%. I like the 8%. I'm healthy, love my job, make good money and my dad lived until 93. I'm waiting till I'm 70 years old and will start collecting in 2024. It's right around the corner.

  • @suespony
    @suespony 2 роки тому +18

    Some great information, I think I am going to retire at 62, which is May of 2022 for me. Biggest reason is I still want to do things while I have the energy to do such. If I live past my break even age of 78, so be it, at that point probably won't have the drive and energy to do much anyway.

    • @rocqitmon
      @rocqitmon Рік тому +2

      So, what did you do and how is it working out?

  • @4403323
    @4403323 2 роки тому +22

    One thing that was not discussed here but actually can have a big impact on the SS collected is the healthcare cost between 62 and 65. Medicare doesn’t start until you turn 65. You would be spending your early collected SS on health insurance since most of the people get their health insurance through their employers. I think retiring and collecting at 65 is the best of both worlds.

    • @makeupgirl8886
      @makeupgirl8886 5 місяців тому +1

      I am asking because I don't know: If you retire and collect at 65, don't you get the same SS amount as if you retired at 62? Or, does you benefit amount increase every year ($2100 at 62, $2300 at 63, $2500 at 64, or something like that)?

    • @user-jj1bp3es3j
      @user-jj1bp3es3j 4 місяці тому

      If you need and have a health insurance

    • @bernie9728
      @bernie9728 4 місяці тому

      @@makeupgirl8886 Retiring and Collect Social Security are two different things. Retiring simply means you quit going to work. It has nothing to do with when you decide to start taking back your Social Security money. The other important thing you need to know is that if you take your SS at age 62 your montly amount will be less. It's not a penalty for taking the money early, it's just that if you take the money early you will be getting more checks. More checks equal less per month the same way that waiting will get you a larger check, but you will get fewer of them. All of the mothly rates come even on total dollars around age 80. It helps if you know in advance when you are going to die. If you have that information deciding which choice will net you the most total dollars is easy. None of these videos tell you that part. Just remember more per month does not mean more total money and less per month does not mean less total money. I started taking back my money at age 62. Almost 8 years in and I have zero regrets about that choice. My family history does not show longevity past 80. My dad died when he was 80. He did have a brother who lived to 87, but he also had a brother and a sister who died in thier 60's. My older borther died when he was 70 and our son died at 61. How much money do you want to leave behind for you family to fight over?

    • @indigostaraz
      @indigostaraz 4 місяці тому +1

      ​​​@@makeupgirl88868% per year. Between Full Retirement Age and age 70 it's about a 30% bump. EX: $2,000 vs. $2,600 per month.

    • @dgs8011
      @dgs8011 3 місяці тому

      @@makeupgirl8886 The amount you collect goes up every month after you turn 62. For me, it goes up about $12 per month for every month I delay, so every year I delay means around $144 more per month. But that figure will obviously vary widely.

  • @jeffreyhare5695
    @jeffreyhare5695 2 роки тому +23

    Had read about the benefits of going out @ 62 and this Army retiree already made up his mind. 20 years in the Army, 20 years in a PICU, and had worked in some capacity since age 10! (Also could not see myself rolling ventilators around, taking critically ill kids to scan after scan @ 65) So paid the mortgage off 27 years early as my retirement gift and enjoying four + years of retirement!!

  • @michaelknowsstocks5170
    @michaelknowsstocks5170 2 роки тому +6

    62 is my goal. Not guaranteed to live til 80, 90, etc. Get it while you can and spend wisely!

    • @jml9550
      @jml9550 2 роки тому +2

      My too. My rental paid off last year and my home will be paid off in 2 year when I reach 51. based on my earning and 401K, SS is just gravy, I will use it to buy medical insurance until 65.

  • @edwinhermanson8842
    @edwinhermanson8842 2 роки тому +12

    A lot of ifs ! I am going to wait until as close as I can to my full retirement at 66.6 yrs old. My 401 is still growing, my SS is still growing, and I'm still collecting my FULL paycheck.

    • @jeyagovindaraju471
      @jeyagovindaraju471 3 місяці тому

      Have u thought about how long u r going to live with the stress of working for someone till yr full retirement age?

  • @kevinmccarty7867
    @kevinmccarty7867 2 роки тому +31

    I really appreciate your knack for covering the many sides of an issue clearly, breaking it down in a readily understandable points, without dumbing it down or oversimplifying. Good stuff.

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      Thanks Kevin!

  • @richb1576
    @richb1576 2 роки тому +5

    1). Get out of debt.
    I know its easier said than done but you cannot go into retirement in debt.
    If you cannot get out of debt before retirement try this test.
    Find out your actual ss benefit minus taxes and compare that to your budget.Don’t forget to add medical into that number.
    If your SS covers your budget and you can continue to work then start collecting ss and use all of your working money to pay off debt.
    If your ss does not cover because your in debt and cannot work then you are like me and most other people. I wish I had gotten out of debt before retiring.

  • @jimrinard8375
    @jimrinard8375 2 місяці тому +2

    Excellent information. One thing I have not really heard anyone mention is if you die before taking SS you do not get any. By taking SS early you can keep your investments and that will go to your family. Your SS is not paid out, it stays in the SS Administration.

  • @steelcastle5616
    @steelcastle5616 2 роки тому +12

    This is a good basic boiler-plate comparison of SS early versus late options.
    It gets more complicated when individual situations and personal considerations each person has and what they consider priority quality of life issues are added in.
    That's why these videos are useful (extremely), but they are only a starting point (versus "the answer") for individual/personal decisions on when to take the money and run (or walk)!

  • @howard6433
    @howard6433 2 роки тому +29

    The big unknown is what happens to SS benefits once the SS Fund runs dry in a few years. Unless Congress passes SS reform, benefits will be cut based on what they collect every year (to about 80-85%). I'm going to collect as soon as I can, because I want as many full SS payments as I can get.

    • @johnlittle8267
      @johnlittle8267 2 роки тому +2

      can you imagine what Senators or Congressman would not vote to save SSN - it would be a no brainer politically to vote to save it, just tax the billionaires or a slight increase in tax rates

    • @rtelles1127
      @rtelles1127 2 роки тому +1

      Stop voting republican
      As with everything the republican to privatization of government programs
      So their buddies can make money and then not pay taxes on that income

    • @SandfordSmythe
      @SandfordSmythe 2 роки тому +1

      @@johnlittle8267 SS is financed by individual contribution

    • @williamford9564
      @williamford9564 2 роки тому +2

      They have been saying this for years. Congress is not going to risk reducing social security benefits and then the media showing people starving and losing their homes because of a benefit cut. They will find a way to keep propping up the system and the most likely thing is to raise social security payroll tax from the current 12% combined for the employer and the employee. The business community and your kids will bear the cost of this, not retired people.

    • @bigshoe84
      @bigshoe84 2 роки тому +2

      @@SandfordSmythe Only up to like $146K, people who make more don’t pay any extra in. They can always raise that number.

  • @aikirunner
    @aikirunner 2 роки тому +32

    Another benefit of delaying is drawing down your qualified plans between 62 and 70 means you’ll have lower RMD at at 72. Also the choice of delay gives you more agility to change your mind. You can always change your mind and take it early.

    • @joepizzo5388
      @joepizzo5388 2 роки тому +1

      Excellent point!

    • @mjmdiver1137
      @mjmdiver1137 2 роки тому +7

      Yes, but another advantage of taking it early is that you can use more overhead in your 60's to do a ROTH conversion and you could "afford" to do more conversions since you don't need as much to live on (and stay below a particular tax tier).
      Remember, up to 85% of SS is taxable, whereas 100% of your IRA/401K withdrawals is taxable. If you pull $50K from SS in a year (for both people), you will only have about $43K in taxable income, so you could put another $7K into a ROTH conversion that year, so $37K to get you to the next tax tier, whereas if you were pulling from an IRA/401K, you would have $50K in income and you could only do another $30K to get up to the next tax level. That's a big difference; about 20% more and that will help pull the money out of your IRA/401K faster to help resolve the RMDs in your 70's.

    • @Csmonk848
      @Csmonk848 Рік тому +3

      I hear this argument all the time. It feels like it’s one of those good problem to have issues. “I’m taking in so much money that I’m being heavily taxed on it”

    • @Dave-sw2dm
      @Dave-sw2dm 6 місяців тому

      My plan is to draw to where I am at the top of the current 12% tax bracket, and invest outside my 401k money I don't spend. I will run some scenarios with taking or delaying SS and determine where I will be based on the 30 year history of my portfolio. My goal is to never pay the current 22% tax.

    • @Dave-sw2dm
      @Dave-sw2dm 6 місяців тому

      ​@@Csmonk848, it is called preparing for the future. So many Americans waste so much money on car payments, houses larger than they need, eating out, subscription services they barely use, etc.

  • @michi6288
    @michi6288 2 роки тому +8

    You sir earned a sub! I'm young but I thank you for the education as time stops for no one! Better to start preparing now! Thank you and Happy New Year! May 2022 bring us all good health and good fortune 🙏

  • @janethunt4037
    @janethunt4037 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this. A very clear explanation. You gave all the angles to think about.

  • @kurtross9098
    @kurtross9098 8 місяців тому

    Wow, this is so well thought through. Thank you.

  • @Dr.TJ1
    @Dr.TJ1 2 роки тому +42

    This is a very well done video. But there are two additional benefits to taking it early. If you're single and have children and you die before 70, your children get nothing. So take it early and build your estate to pass on to your children. The other benefit to taking it early is to have play money for nicer vacations, dining out, toys, etc. If the break even point is 81, think about what you'll be doing at 81 and would the little bit extra you might get at that point mean anything compared to the fun you could have had in your 60s.

    • @roblovestar9159
      @roblovestar9159 2 роки тому +2

      Good point on the children (or spouse) if you die early. But if you get to 81 and only have SS to rely on, you may regret it. Life is hard enough at that age without worrying about money.

    • @johngill2853
      @johngill2853 2 роки тому +2

      Deciding to collect Social Security should have nothing to do with how much money you spend. You haven't saved enough for retirement if that is the choice you're having to make

    • @Dr.TJ1
      @Dr.TJ1 2 роки тому +2

      @@johngill2853
      I’m a little confused by your comment and what point you’re trying to make. If I’ve saved plenty for retirement but I decide I want to live a little more lavishly by spending more on vacations, fine dining, nicer clothes, etc., then deciding to take Social Security early by all means can be helpful in that. So the decision to take SS early can definitely play a role in allowing me to spend what I want. If you were replying to Bob’s comment, I don’t really see how your reply fits with what he wrote. It could be that I just don’t understand what you were trying to say.

    • @johngill2853
      @johngill2853 2 роки тому +4

      @@Dr.TJ1 you said take Social Security early so you have more money when you're younger to take better vacations. My comment is when you collect Social Security should have nothing to do with what you spend in retirement. Being short of money to do the things you want to do in retirement, shouldn't be dependent on when you collect Social Security. If it is you probably haven't saved enough.

    • @johngill2853
      @johngill2853 2 роки тому +2

      @@Dr.TJ1 I'm hope I didn't come off as low down but your advice to me is just crazy to give people. Take Social Security early and spend the money on vacation and later on when you're 85 or 90 what happens? The last thing Americans need to do is spend more money in most cases

  • @stever1791
    @stever1791 2 роки тому +2

    If we all knew when out "Time is Up" then this decision becomes less complicated. Thanks again for great info

  • @saloninegi7062
    @saloninegi7062 5 місяців тому

    Thank you very much for your videos and podcasts. I'm Canadian, but can easily apply your common sense, logic, and insights to my situation! Many thanks!

  • @ericeandco
    @ericeandco 2 роки тому +63

    I got a letter from social security that tells you what you can expect when you start collecting. It also had a planned reduction in benefits by 2030. I’d say take it out while there’s something to get.

    • @commonsenseisntcommon1776
      @commonsenseisntcommon1776 2 роки тому +12

      The Govt wastes our tax money!

    • @youtubesucks1499
      @youtubesucks1499 2 роки тому +3

      You are spot on.

    • @theyclosechannelsthatspeak428
      @theyclosechannelsthatspeak428 2 роки тому +1

      Yup.

    • @qwenqwen1476
      @qwenqwen1476 2 роки тому +2

      Oh how wonderful! I’ve slaved all my life to put into SS and with inflation sky rocketing….my government now tells me they’re reducing what I’ve rightfully earned?!? American dream!!!

    • @ltlarrow1
      @ltlarrow1 2 роки тому +1

      and so what happens if you're wrong?

  • @indigostaraz
    @indigostaraz 4 місяці тому +1

    The cleanest, most articulate explanation out there!

  • @barrytimm5497
    @barrytimm5497 2 роки тому +12

    A huge factor not mentioned in any discussion regarding the early withdrawal of SS and re-investing it, is the added cost related to the loss of potential Tax credits from the ACA medical administration! This is especially true when one is in early retirement (thus pre Medi-care age) and need private medical insurance through the ACA, and one is living on a relatively low annual retirement income. By increasing the income (in order to re-invest your SS receipts), you are potentially going to lose up to around $1800/month in tax credits (subsidy), as it is directly proportional to income. This factor MORE than offsets any small net gain one might have had by re-investing SS receipts rather than delaying SS withdrawals.

    • @johnlittle8267
      @johnlittle8267 2 роки тому

      true, you can do both (get the credit and the early SSN) if your other income is low enough

    • @barrytimm5497
      @barrytimm5497 2 роки тому +2

      @@johnlittle8267 the point here is that every dime extra you add to your income in order to reinvest is subject to much reduced subsidies. So much that it makes zero sense to add any income, almost regardless of the average stock market return received with any excess money (it is therefore better to NOT withdraw excess funds over what is needed for day to day living expenses as the cost of the lost subsidy related to any excess withdrawals will almost certainly never be offset by investment gains from such investment.

  • @laurasamaniego5937
    @laurasamaniego5937 Рік тому +1

    Very informative and well explained. Thank you very much for taking the time to educate us.

  • @johnbrown1851
    @johnbrown1851 Рік тому +1

    This is one of your best videos . One of the best I have seen on the topic by anyone. The trick is to live long enough to make it (delaying SS) pay off! Good job, now go out and get yourself some waves🌊

  • @roblovestar9159
    @roblovestar9159 2 роки тому +11

    Good exploration of the topic James! One thing that might make your comparison more 'apples-to-apples' is to include the SS Cost of living adjustments. Those are adding up even before you begin collecting.

  • @uansam3439
    @uansam3439 7 місяців тому +1

    Hi James, before discovered your channel I was so unsure when should I collect SS. Your clear and detail analysis had helped me tremendous in making decision to decide when to collect my SS. Thank you very much for what you’re doing and looking forward to watching your new videos

  • @skewbydoom
    @skewbydoom 10 місяців тому

    Wow.....finally the kind of information that can help us make a decision !!!

  • @chris_harvey
    @chris_harvey 2 роки тому +3

    Really well done. Thanks for covering this.

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      Thanks Chris.

  • @chriskane5692
    @chriskane5692 2 роки тому

    Excellent explanations for the different scenarios.

  • @juliebecker5238
    @juliebecker5238 7 місяців тому

    Thanks for the great information as in the deciding process as well.

  • @janethunt4037
    @janethunt4037 Місяць тому

    This is absolutely the BEST video on how to think through this decision, combined with some of your other videos on social security. Between you and Mike Piper's book, I'm set.

  • @Hidden_Destinations
    @Hidden_Destinations Місяць тому

    I just discovered your channel. Excellent information easily understood and I like the way it’s presented. Thank you.

  • @ChristopherMarshburn
    @ChristopherMarshburn 2 роки тому +13

    Good illustration about collecting early and preserving your retirement savings to continue to grow through investment. A lot of folks don’t think about this. It also can give you more options (if you are frugal) for when you are still healthy and active.

  • @aztecforlife7360
    @aztecforlife7360 Рік тому +4

    Your videos are well thought out. I really enjoy watching them as they are chalk full of useful information, well organized, and presented in a straight forward and concise manner.
    One potential risk related to delaying is the possibility that the social security payments could be reduced by as much as 20% beginning sometime in the 2030-2035 period if the trust runs out of funds. At least there are some projections that this could happen. How far is the break even date extended if that scenario becomes reality.

  • @ailecosibo2754
    @ailecosibo2754 2 роки тому +22

    Good planning however what is the purpose of investing if you are in your last chapter of your life. Enjoy your money while you can🙂

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      Also true!

    • @donnahampton3632
      @donnahampton3632 2 роки тому

      Many folks go into long-term care the last 2-3 years of their lives, which is very expensive. You want to make sure the surviving spouse still has money to live on since a nursing home costs on average $100,000 a year, and most folks need it for 2 to 3 years, then they pass on. If there is no spouse, then it doesn't matter.

  • @joedessenberger2048
    @joedessenberger2048 Рік тому +10

    This is a great breakdown. I have been thinking about this exact issue for a while now. Do I collect it early and squirrel it away or wait. I think that with the need to do some ROTH conversions with pension income impacting my ceiling between the next higher tax bracket, it makes sense to wait until my ROTH conversions are all done. Otherwise collecting SS would get me to the next tax bracket before doing the conversions and impact the strategy to the negative. Keep up the great and thoughtful videos. This becomes very real as one approaches these decision points.

  • @PH-md8xp
    @PH-md8xp 9 місяців тому +1

    That was a really thorough and insightful discussion. Of course, the fact is none of us know how long we’re going to live, if we did, this would be a much easier discussion.

  • @paulsegarra7558
    @paulsegarra7558 2 роки тому +3

    This video is extraordinary. Very clever strategies and your delivery of such a complex topic and “outside the box” thinking is simply amazing. Kudos!

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      Thanks Paul!

  • @MCMXI1
    @MCMXI1 7 місяців тому

    Outstanding video! Very well done. Thank you

  • @brahmmauer7437
    @brahmmauer7437 5 місяців тому

    Thank you for this video. This is what I’ve been looking for. My original plan was to wait till FRA. However, I plan on reinvesting my Social Security benefits, so I’m gonna start taking it right now at 64. 👍

  • @TheOriginalMarimoChan
    @TheOriginalMarimoChan 11 місяців тому

    Brilliant!!! A new subscriber here, thank you!

  • @johnrusso4943
    @johnrusso4943 2 роки тому +4

    You won my subscriptionship! I was always troubled by professionals that calculated break-even without considering the compounding of your investment accounts.

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      Thanks John!

    • @janicenunn101
      @janicenunn101 Рік тому +1

      Yes but no discounting to NPV here either on stream of payments. Too many assumptions.

  • @kathypolsgrove5507
    @kathypolsgrove5507 2 роки тому

    Great video! Explained very well, thank you for sharing.

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      Thanks Kathy!

  • @ds61821
    @ds61821 Рік тому

    A really nice unpacking of the many considerations. I found it helpful.

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  Рік тому +1

      Glad to hear that

    • @ds61821
      @ds61821 Рік тому

      @@RootFP One thing I learned from your videos is that I have over saved even though I contributed just enough to get the full match of my non-profit employer. You've given me lots more now to think about. Thanks.

  • @bobbytam7383
    @bobbytam7383 Рік тому +1

    Excellent analysis. Very clear and informative. The wildcard here is your health.

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  Рік тому

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @oaudal
    @oaudal 2 роки тому +2

    You’re informative. I like your sites. I will continue watching and following you 👍👍👍

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      Thank you!

  • @michaelhiney1686
    @michaelhiney1686 2 роки тому +3

    Awesome video! Thanks a lot for explaining this!

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      Thank you!

  • @Mexicobeanpole
    @Mexicobeanpole 2 роки тому +3

    This is the clearest explanation I’ve ever seen.
    Thank you, I’ll have my husband watch.

  • @BSGSV
    @BSGSV 2 роки тому +2

    You helped me solve the SS conundrum for my situation!

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому +1

      Glad to hear that!

  • @terryadams1830
    @terryadams1830 5 місяців тому

    James, I just listened to this video again (after a year) and I'm impressed with how inciteful it is. My calculations support yours. In addition, I am in the process of converting our IRAs to ROTHs during the first years of retirement. Since I don't have the cash to pay taxes, I use the wife's SS to pay the taxes on the conversions. In effect, the SS money goes into a ROTH and is not taxed again (even better than the 15% savings on SS taxes). I'm delaying my own SS until 70.

  • @luciodeluca3257
    @luciodeluca3257 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent analysis! Wonderful explanation! Thank you.

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому +1

      You are very welcome!

  • @MWS1960
    @MWS1960 2 роки тому

    Excellent review..and great to know

  • @mitchbateman4962
    @mitchbateman4962 2 роки тому +1

    Your videos are amazing! Best of the best! Thank you!!!

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      You are so welcome!

  • @curiosidadanalitica6564
    @curiosidadanalitica6564 2 роки тому

    Super good!! Thank you! I never thinking about that! Thank you very much! I’m going to review this information every year to check if is convenient for me doing in that year!!👏👏👏

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      You’re welcome!

  • @MADMAX839
    @MADMAX839 8 місяців тому +2

    I have begun planning my retirement, in earnest, in just the last couple of months (17 years into my career). Though I started real planning late and am only now beginning to understand the myriad details, I AM ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN OF JUST ONE THING: I will begin receiving my Soc Sec as soon AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. There is NO other option.

  • @Propguypaul
    @Propguypaul 9 місяців тому +1

    Stellar video. Thank you.

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  9 місяців тому

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @stever1791
    @stever1791 2 роки тому

    Very good information, Thanks for a great job

  • @papablue5665
    @papablue5665 2 роки тому +1

    Thumbs up. This is first one to suggest take SS early at 62 that i have seen.
    With no real bills, can currently live on SS and save IRA/401s (but will draw some since in the go-go phase for travel). Not sure if living past 78 is achievable but losing some by not waiting is made up by less used from IRA.

  • @JaniceHylton
    @JaniceHylton 5 місяців тому +1

    I'm retiring at 55.
    Taking my SS at 62.
    My husband is retiring at 67/70 and then collect.
    Soon as I can get my SS, I WANT IT!!

  • @DavidRodriguez-cz3hk
    @DavidRodriguez-cz3hk Рік тому +2

    Thanks for the excellent explanation about SS benefits but What is not mention is the body age declines after 62 and without a healthy body you won’t enjoying life. That is why I getting my social security reduced benefits at 62 and enjoy life

  • @Swedetwin
    @Swedetwin 2 роки тому +12

    Very thorough......glad you mentioned the importance of considering the spousal survival benefit when filing early. None of my early filing friends are investing their SS $---lol. Some are considering it "fun money", while others are combining it with their spouse's SS for living expenses. Anyone who does actively invest it probably already has sizable investment accounts for retirement.....and will not rely much if at all on SS.

  • @rcooper4164
    @rcooper4164 6 місяців тому

    Thank you, James for the information! I am rooting for you that one of these days, you’re going to the most popular and successful CFP in USA 🙏🙏🙏

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  6 місяців тому

      Thank you! 🙏🏼

  • @1eyeguy458
    @1eyeguy458 2 роки тому +1

    Good video James! You did your homework. After watching your entire video and reading dozens of comments, never once did I hear anything about our current 7-9% annual inflation rate that is eroding the purchasing power of our dollars. Just because you have more dollars by deferring retirement age, at the end of the day, those dollars purchase less goods in the future. Get the retirement funds as early as possible and buy as much silver as you can afford to invest.... after the global debt market collapses, you'll be glad you did.

  • @josefernandez2722
    @josefernandez2722 2 роки тому +1

    There are many variables. If you collect sooner and invest it , you have possession of your money and so does your spouse as an heir. There are also a small % of people that still have young children at an older age that would get extra monthly $ benefits up until they graduate high school or turn 19 I believe. Thanks for helping me see other view points.

  • @porterowski9232
    @porterowski9232 Рік тому +1

    Very informative. Thank you!!!!

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  Рік тому

      You are welcome! Thanks for watching!

  • @jnova3328
    @jnova3328 2 роки тому +7

    I have been struggling with my decision on when to start benefits. Your presentation was helpful and very informative. Thank you!

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      You’re welcome!

  • @skykitchen867
    @skykitchen867 2 роки тому +1

    My father started collecting social security at 62, and will be 67 next year. Mother did the same thing. Often wondered if Social Security will make changes to the age qualification from 62 to something higher I still have a lot of years to work yet. Knowing my luck by the time I get there it will be age 64.

  • @miragexl007
    @miragexl007 2 місяці тому

    Great video. Watching a lot and social security.. And was bringing up all the things you touched on with With drawing early.... Reinvestment karma takes the burden after all investments etc. Etc. Just the video I wanted to find.. Very thorough !! We've saved a lot in thirty years... So social security We'll be extra.... And if it covers just medical costs, well be happy

  • @jimclark5037
    @jimclark5037 Рік тому +2

    Good video as usual! I will say though, everyone always talks about 62 vs 67 vs 70, when I'm always thinking 63 vs 65 vs 67 as options I'd consider!

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  Рік тому

      Thanks Jim! And yes, there are “in between” ages to consider as well.

  • @marytom4614
    @marytom4614 2 роки тому +1

    I think the same way. I like your ideas and explanations very clear. Thanks.

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      Thank you!

  • @user-do6lr4lp1u
    @user-do6lr4lp1u Місяць тому

    Finally, someone has run the numbers. Excellent points- I really don't think it's a close call. If your not working at 62 take the money especially if you have no intention of going back to work and have sufficient savings. This is not the boilerplate advice and I commend you for pointing out that taking SS is more tax efficient than raiding your differed accounts and that money is fungible.

  • @ynot0714
    @ynot0714 2 роки тому +2

    Good info James! I'm 58 and trying to figure it all out.

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks Tony!

    • @johngill2853
      @johngill2853 2 роки тому

      The big point is your earnings at 62 because taxes would be a big drag at 62. The Social Security administration pentallizes on you working and collecting at 62

  • @nvallamp
    @nvallamp 2 роки тому +4

    Man, where have you been all my life? Love the structured way things are explained - and with no judgement whatsoever on one approach vs another.

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @gaiusgracchus7475
    @gaiusgracchus7475 10 місяців тому +1

    Since we have pensions and a spousal social security, we don't need to touch our investments, so investing my social security works well. Thanks for the info!

  • @hsdentertainment
    @hsdentertainment 2 роки тому +1

    Great information

  • @mrbuttons2065
    @mrbuttons2065 Місяць тому

    would have loved to see some graphs representing many of these comparisons. Overall, this is a great comparison of influencing variables for when to take $ from what "bucket" ... thanks

  • @MichaelToub
    @MichaelToub Місяць тому

    Great Video!

  • @Charlie_He
    @Charlie_He 2 роки тому

    Good analysis. Enlightening

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      Thank you, Charles!

  • @fazotakeiteasy
    @fazotakeiteasy 2 місяці тому

    This was a really good video. By the time I retire... I'm sure SS will be empty lol. But if I had to pick, I'd take the 62 and invest it. Get it while it's there!

  • @hblanche
    @hblanche Рік тому +25

    Well, I'm turning 62 later this year and as an avid stock market investor it really doesn't make sense to take money out of my portfolio while the market is down. So I'm strongly leaning to collecting social security early. In fact, I think the overall status of the stock market is a key factor not mentioned in this video. Nonetheless, I found your video to be excellent and thorough!

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  Рік тому

      Thank you Henri!

    • @markanthony5719
      @markanthony5719 7 місяців тому +1

      I think I'm gonna do the same in 10 years. I'd rather not wait until 67 or 70. Most of us would be so lucky to live that long. :).

    • @BlackMan614
      @BlackMan614 5 місяців тому

      What kind of "investor" has 100% in stonks? A diversified portfolio should always have ~5% in cash. WTH

  • @scotthodgin7494
    @scotthodgin7494 2 роки тому +1

    I really enjoyed your video!

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      Thank you!

  • @JC-21470
    @JC-21470 2 роки тому +5

    Excellent analysis and explanation! You touch on pretty much all of the nuance that is never discussed. Since we do not know when we are going to die maybe the best option for some people would be to hedge your bet and take SS at the midpoint of say 65, it does not have to be all or nothing I guess is what I am saying. each year you delay you get roughly 8% more SS income from my understanding.

    • @payperview714
      @payperview714 10 місяців тому +1

      exactly right..I considered this strategy at 62 and now at 66, I plan on taking it soon and investing it all monthly into an index fund. I've run the numbers and it's a no brainer IF one is disciplined enough to do it. I really was tempted at 62 but as you said, I could do it at any time.

    • @JeanPierreWhite
      @JeanPierreWhite 9 місяців тому +1

      I believe it's 7% per year up to FRA and then 8% thereafter.

  • @JANAVEL1655
    @JANAVEL1655 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent Video. Thumbs up. 1 thing you overlooked, is that inflation alone is about 6% (they'll ADMIT to thaaaaat amount. In reality, it's even more than 6%.) Yes, I know, SS is indexed to currency debasement (inflation) but still, that is a consideration.
    Additionally, though you get the benefits back if working while collecting, (and earning over the limit) .... I'm not sure?? But I think they're amortized over you life expectancy starting at your FRA. Spousal benefit maxes out at 67 I THINK??

  • @bettystallworth8853
    @bettystallworth8853 2 роки тому +4

    There is one big assumption that social security will stay constant which we all know they will change because they won't have the same inputs as output. So your simplified version doesn't factor that this change is inevitable. The SS system is not going to be solvent until I am 90. I plan to withdraw early just because I don't trust the fund will be solvent. But thanks for the analysis. My portfolio will be sufficient without the SS income. Also, the present value collecting early is more valuable now then the future.

  • @dragonblue5
    @dragonblue5 2 роки тому

    Great insight thanks!

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      You’re welcome!

  • @HB-yq8gy
    @HB-yq8gy 10 місяців тому

    We spoke today with the SSA the information is free! The rep help guide us to make a sound decision. The hardest part was waiting 1 hour plus on the phone for a rep. We decide for my wife to claim at 62 y/o because of breast cancer & my pension affected by the GPO. The rep said the breakeven point is 79 y/o

  • @johnford5568
    @johnford5568 5 місяців тому

    Great point on forced savings. I'm often better off not having it go through my hands, similar to automatic payroll savings.

  • @R.and.R.
    @R.and.R. 2 роки тому +2

    Great video!

    • @RootFP
      @RootFP  2 роки тому

      Thank you!

  • @johnlopez4089
    @johnlopez4089 2 роки тому

    Great video young man. Sounds like you’ve been listening to Dave Ramsey 👍👍

  • @razorsharp8549
    @razorsharp8549 2 роки тому +2

    One also has to consider years worked vs retirement age.

  • @Sylvan_dB
    @Sylvan_dB 7 місяців тому

    Social security also gets inflation adjustments and getting those on a higher base by delaying filing makes it more complicated than just a simple return analysis. In addition the guarantee means that social security is comparable to an annuity or longevity insurance which is for joint life.

  • @sammencia7945
    @sammencia7945 Рік тому +2

    Everyone retiring early hate work and have negative attitudes. Chose 45 years of misery.
    Soul crushing
    Daily grind
    Toxic office
    Etc.
    Also they do not understand math, actuarial tables and statistics.
    All will cite someone they know who died young (the exception most live to mid 80s) as justification to retire early.
    They also think of SSA as a "program" and "an account" and "I paid into the system". All concepts that are faulty.
    If you enjoy work and are positive then ignore these sad individuals and take SSA at 67 or 70.
    When you are 80 you will have 90% more each month from SSA to pay your expenses and they will be broke.

  • @LinhHa-sd4zf
    @LinhHa-sd4zf 2 роки тому +1

    Oh man, it’s so complicated, I know it’s also not one size fits all but I would like you to help me to see my situation if I was in my rightful mind (ever)
    Here goes: I am turning 66/6 in 2023, I would like to collect my benefits @66 (the different of only $65 per mo) while I would still working, that 6 mos $$$ would pay down my mortgage, I wanted to pay that off before I stop working, I also wanted to take advantage of the yr that I turned 66/6 I can earned as much as 51 thousands without any penalty and without the mortgage payment I would live comfortably because I am extremely frugal.
    Being older I don’t need much just wanted to be free of stress and worry.
    Much appreciated, stay safe and healthy, God bless.

  • @stopwars8642
    @stopwars8642 Рік тому

    yes , good thinking strategies

  • @MWS1960
    @MWS1960 Рік тому +2

    How many years can I enjoy my money…how many more years can I ride motorcycles and travel the roads of America. How many more years can we travel across the globe. As long as you dont go back to work after starting SS I believe taking it early is better. In AZ there are no taxes on SS earnings…take it and run. I’m taking it at 63/64 and leaving that same amount in my 401k