Just discovered you guys, and I really, really want to get to know you, if I can. The UA-cam algorithm delivered me this video, and related videos on different channels, which evidently are all moments in an-ongoing conversation in a particular community somewhere (in the States?) that I know nothing about, but would love to participate in. I began the kind of journey that Jordan Hall is engaged in way back in the mid-1970's when I was a philosophy major. I had a spontaneous, out-of-the-blue, non-ordinary ("mystical") experience that tore my worldview to shreds. I was, at that point, a spiritually-inclined atheist - the notion of "God" asserted by traditional Christianity was simply incoherent, as far as I was concerned. I accepted the 'scientific realist' position that the natural world consists of contingent relations of inanimate "stuff" that can only be objectively and empirically mapped, and that categories of meaning and purpose can only be ascribed to beings, like ourselves, who experience subjectivity. The 'scientific realist' stance enables tremendous technological mastery over the natural world, and opens a world of enormous freedom for the individual, but creates a spiritual dilemma which exists at both the individual and societal levels. It renders the ultimate concerns of human beings unanswerable. The non-ordinary experience I suffered through disclosed to me that the ordinary, common-sense world of objects is ultimately illusory, and eventually I came to understand ultimate reality along the lines of described by the physicist David Boehm (sometimes spelt "Bohm; the 'e' is the German umlaut), in his book, "Wholeness and the Implicit Order." Anyway, I graduated with a BA in philosophy; did not, as my profs urged, carry on to graduate work in that field, for a variety of reasons, including the fact that I was profoundly unimpressed with both Anglo-American analytic philosophy and Continental phenomenology, and went to law school. Found practicing law dreary and extremely stressful. Later ended up in a doctoral program in religious studies, until a debilitating chronic illness forced me into early retirement. In my '20's I decided I needed to find spiritual community to anchor my spiritual life, and considered the options amongst the major traditions, settling on liberal Christianity as the most practical path. I have been a committed church member since the late 1980's. I belong to a very progressive denomination in Canada (does not exist in the States), that explicitly rejected the Apostle's Creed in 1962, replacing it with its own "New Creed", and the longer poem, "A Song of Faith". The United Church of Canada was formed in 1925 from the merger of nearly all the Methodists and Congregationalists in Canada, and 75% of the Presbyterians. It pursued an explicitly modern kind of Protestantism, based in what was then called "Higher Criticism" of the bible, and modern theology. It explicitly downplayed the role of doctrine in its very creation - there were some rather important doctrinal differences between the founding denominations, but it was decided that, as complete knowledge of God and his purposes are unknowable to human beings, doctrine should be a secondary concern to Christian unity and the practical works of love in the here and now. So, the church as it is now is centred on values and principles, and accepts those who show up regardless of their belief systems. Atheists are enthusiastically welcomed. Lots of us are atheists. Very few of us believe in the traditional God of Christianity. Most of us don't know what to say when they are asked what they believe. There are a ton of resources out there out of which to create a theology that works in the modern world. Paul Tillich is great, if you're into existentialism. Teilhard de Chardin is great if you're into evolution. John Cobb's theological adaption of Alfred North Whitehead's process philosophy is great if you're into math, logic and working out a rigorous ontology. Paul Ricoeur and Sally McFague are great if you're into poetry, metaphor, and McFague is particularly great, if you're into environmentalism (the earth as God's body). Liberation theology and feminist philosophy is great if you're into social justice. All this stuff has been out there since the early 20th century - it's not new, at all. Definitely read Charles Taylor (philosopher; Canadian - yay!) for a deeper understanding of the dilemmas of modernism - "The Secular Age" and "Sources of the Self". My long-term project is to further Charles Taylor's work - don't know if I'll succeed, I'm only at the beginning of the project. I'm hoping that someone will read this and invite me into this community. I'd really love to meet you. Elizabeth Morton, Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
I'm curious what exactly Jordan found in his recent thinking on the Trinity that he found missing (or maybe insufficiently emphasized?) in Forrest Landry's version of the notion. None of what he outlined here struck me as being entirely absent from Landry's work when properly conceived.
Response to the end, you should learn to keep that what is most important to you, a secret. People will exploit you for whatever they can. And being deceptive about yourself and your interests, can actually protect you without causing harm to anyone in anyway.
Bro sounds like he wants to study mathematics but also doesn't. There's transcendental numbers and field extensions and natural transformations and everything...
It seems like a lot of terms invented for modern algebra, logic and analysis ended being borrowed by psychology, lol maximally complete, compact ontology... there are only so many words in the English language at the end of the day.
Fantastic discussion, thank you Jordan and Andrew!
Thanks be to God.
It's crazy that he decided to get baptized.
That's so cool.
Just discovered you guys, and I really, really want to get to know you, if I can.
The UA-cam algorithm delivered me this video, and related videos on different channels, which evidently are all moments in an-ongoing conversation in a particular community somewhere (in the States?) that I know nothing about, but would love to participate in. I began the kind of journey that Jordan Hall is engaged in way back in the mid-1970's when I was a philosophy major. I had a spontaneous, out-of-the-blue, non-ordinary ("mystical") experience that tore my worldview to shreds. I was, at that point, a spiritually-inclined atheist - the notion of "God" asserted by traditional Christianity was simply incoherent, as far as I was concerned. I accepted the 'scientific realist' position that the natural world consists of contingent relations of inanimate "stuff" that can only be objectively and empirically mapped, and that categories of meaning and purpose can only be ascribed to beings, like ourselves, who experience subjectivity. The 'scientific realist' stance enables tremendous technological mastery over the natural world, and opens a world of enormous freedom for the individual, but creates a spiritual dilemma which exists at both the individual and societal levels. It renders the ultimate concerns of human beings unanswerable. The non-ordinary experience I suffered through disclosed to me that the ordinary, common-sense world of objects is ultimately illusory, and eventually I came to understand ultimate reality along the lines of described by the physicist David Boehm (sometimes spelt "Bohm; the 'e' is the German umlaut), in his book, "Wholeness and the Implicit Order."
Anyway, I graduated with a BA in philosophy; did not, as my profs urged, carry on to graduate work in that field, for a variety of reasons, including the fact that I was profoundly unimpressed with both Anglo-American analytic philosophy and Continental phenomenology, and went to law school. Found practicing law dreary and extremely stressful. Later ended up in a doctoral program in religious studies, until a debilitating chronic illness forced me into early retirement.
In my '20's I decided I needed to find spiritual community to anchor my spiritual life, and considered the options amongst the major traditions, settling on liberal Christianity as the most practical path. I have been a committed church member since the late 1980's. I belong to a very progressive denomination in Canada (does not exist in the States), that explicitly rejected the Apostle's Creed in 1962, replacing it with its own "New Creed", and the longer poem, "A Song of Faith". The United Church of Canada was formed in 1925 from the merger of nearly all the Methodists and Congregationalists in Canada, and 75% of the Presbyterians. It pursued an explicitly modern kind of Protestantism, based in what was then called "Higher Criticism" of the bible, and modern theology. It explicitly downplayed the role of doctrine in its very creation - there were some rather important doctrinal differences between the founding denominations, but it was decided that, as complete knowledge of God and his purposes are unknowable to human beings, doctrine should be a secondary concern to Christian unity and the practical works of love in the here and now. So, the church as it is now is centred on values and principles, and accepts those who show up regardless of their belief systems. Atheists are enthusiastically welcomed. Lots of us are atheists. Very few of us believe in the traditional God of Christianity. Most of us don't know what to say when they are asked what they believe.
There are a ton of resources out there out of which to create a theology that works in the modern world. Paul Tillich is great, if you're into existentialism. Teilhard de Chardin is great if you're into evolution. John Cobb's theological adaption of Alfred North Whitehead's process philosophy is great if you're into math, logic and working out a rigorous ontology. Paul Ricoeur and Sally McFague are great if you're into poetry, metaphor, and McFague is particularly great, if you're into environmentalism (the earth as God's body). Liberation theology and feminist philosophy is great if you're into social justice. All this stuff has been out there since the early 20th century - it's not new, at all. Definitely read Charles Taylor (philosopher; Canadian - yay!) for a deeper understanding of the dilemmas of modernism - "The Secular Age" and "Sources of the Self". My long-term project is to further Charles Taylor's work - don't know if I'll succeed, I'm only at the beginning of the project.
I'm hoping that someone will read this and invite me into this community. I'd really love to meet you. Elizabeth Morton, Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
Hi Elizabeth. Thanks for your testimonial. We have a network page - please join us here: parallax-media-network.mn.co/share/RnBBvEYInToDBG2P?
@@parallax_media I have signed up, and am intrigued and excited!
I'm curious what exactly Jordan found in his recent thinking on the Trinity that he found missing (or maybe insufficiently emphasized?) in Forrest Landry's version of the notion. None of what he outlined here struck me as being entirely absent from Landry's work when properly conceived.
What brings you to religion(Christianity)? 1/ emotions 2/ reason I would also add: 3/ an immediate apprehension of the Truth (the "nous" just knows)
Can't wait till PVK does a review on this
I'll send it to him
He already has
transcendence= that which is Irrational but real.
A lot of telegraphing of comments which sometimes seems to me to..Not add up to much.
That's so beautiful Jordon. Look what it did to the parallax community 🤣🤣 heathens!!! 🤣🤣
Does he say which denomination he identifies with?
One of 30,000 daughters of the Catholic Church.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 hes actually orthodox. The one church
Response to the end, you should learn to keep that what is most important to you, a secret.
People will exploit you for whatever they can.
And being deceptive about yourself and your interests, can actually protect you without causing harm to anyone in anyway.
10:37 What kind of mind?
Tell us about your conversion to original sin, as you have a belief that there's a problem to which Jesus is the answer
Did you become a follower of Jesus or a trinitarian?
Bro sounds like he wants to study mathematics but also doesn't. There's transcendental numbers and field extensions and natural transformations and everything...
It seems like a lot of terms invented for modern algebra, logic and analysis ended being borrowed by psychology, lol maximally complete, compact ontology... there are only so many words in the English language at the end of the day.
@@reid_makes_artgood point. I probably sounded like I almost complained but we're in a mathematical world anyways lol
Dude sounds like he is embracing being sadistic