KYOSHO OPTIMA MID 2022 RERELEASE VINTAGE 4WD - HOW TO BUILD
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2022
- Finally the long awaited 4WD Optima Mid has made it's way to Australian shores. Be watching right till the end for a full detailed build of this brand new release kit from Kyosho. Included along the way comparisons to the original 1987 release Optima Mid and Turbo Optima Mid SE. Lots of helpful tips and ideas to help you build up a fun car to go racing with or even bashing in your local park.
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Back in the day, the Optima was like Street Fighter II. There was the Optima, Turbo Optima, Optima Mid, Turbo Optima Mid, and Turbo Optima Mid SE- if I remember correctly.
Thanks for posting - I purchased one of these kits - its first one I've built since buying and building a Turbo Optima as a teenager back in the 80's so its a great video to refer to in building this machine. It's so cool that Kyosho have released this kit. Thanks again.
Thank you Matt. Its a great time to be enjoying vintage rc
Beautiful vid Jason. Amazing detail on the comparisons to the old components, especially in the gearbox area. Finally a Mid that won't be chewing it's own gears up. The sintered gears in rere optima and Ultima are great
Many thanks. Its going to be the vintage 4WD to go to for vintage racing. Right out of the box its going to be a tough car to beat!
Good stuff mate, first Mid build I've seen. Great video! 👍
I was very lucky to get on to a kit asap. As you also know, there is considerable time and energy that goes into making content like ours. Each of us are giving it our all to both entertain and educate.
As always I appreciate the compliments. Thank you Mick
Thank you for comparing the original to the rere. All the modifications they made to a legacy product is amazing.
Yes it is. Kyosho went and took these old designs and improved them in almost every way. Its a great time for vintage rc fans
Thanks for putting the time and effort into this fantastic video! 👍 The Mid is really an enjoyable build 🙂
Many thanks Kai City RC. The Mid is worth it! Your videos are fantastic too.
Great first look at the new kit. Awesome work Jason, gave us a great quality look at the build. Love some of the updates, the threaded shocks are a nice option that no doubt will make it more useable in the future.
Thank you Adam. The new release kit is everything I knew it would be.
Your channel deserves to (and I am sure will) take off. Gorgeous footage. Professional editing. Keep up with the great work. 👍
I really appreciate your compliments, thank you David.
Excellent video and really enjoyed the content - thanks for all your hard work in bringing this to everyone
Thank you Chris. A lot goes in to making these kind of videos and it's good to hear they are well received
Professionally done my friend, impressive. I ordered one myself, looks like an easy build. Thanks for sharing!
You're welcome and I appreciate the compliment.
I really enjoyed this video series. Your formula works. Keep it up!
Thank you James. Believe it or not have actually given it a thumbs down behind the scenes. Seems you cant please everyone
@@Bormac073 No, you can't please everyone. But you're always going to get haters! Look at people like Kevin Talbot. He's really successful, but tons of people hate on him too. They're just jealous because they're too lazy, incompetent or both. So much so that they can't do what you can and make a video like this.
I like your video because it made me feel like I was building it just by watching it. It's cool how it's sped up just enough to see what you're doing, without getting bored.
Keep up the content! 👍
I owned turbo optima mid at that time🎉🎉 my precious toy 😊😊😊
Absolutely gorgeous kit!!!
The Mid really is very nice with soo many improvements made to the original design.
Thank you M-B
That's good to see this. Thanks, great build 👍🏼
Cheers. Kyosho have spoiled us with this release. Im looking forward to hitting the track soon with this car! 🥰
I just built this last weekend haha was a fun quick build. Everything fit perfect.
Superb video man!! I love to see the differences!! Thumbs up for sharing!!
You're welcome
excellent video , thankyou for showing the differences between the old and new
You're welcome. Having owned (and still do) all of the Optima Mids and a few Lazers I was keen to see how far they'd come with the rere. Being able to make all those comparisons was a bit tiring but worth it by the end.
Amazing! Looks like an awesome build! I am very jealous 😂
Thank you OAG RC. I have been waiting a long time for this one. I have all the other Mids so I was keen to get the rerelease also.
Awesome build video my friend 😊👊🏻
Many thanks Glenn 😁😁👍👍. You know the kind of work that goes in to making decent content and this one surely kept me busy.
Many thank again my friend 😎
Turbo!!!! 😃 Beautiful build Jason top notch!!!
Thank you again Wade. Im glad you enjoyed it.
Outstanding work their mate. Enjoyed the vid. Kyosho have really made superb kits with these re-re's.
Which reminds me, I've got to get around to finishing my Ultima re-re. I also have what I think is a combined original and re re Optima that needs a body and setting up.
Thank you Pablo. The Mid really lifts their game. A definite performer ready to hit the race track.
What a kit! Excellent! Thank you
Thank you Sam. The car really is Kyosho's best vintage series release to date.
@@Bormac073 Oh, and no matter what color you chose, it will be great! Thanks for sharing your passion
wicked video ,im shocked it took so long for some one too release a vid , great detail showing the rear toe pills and the foam on belt covers and how the car has change from old/new like gears and wire holders well thought out , looks like it will be a vintage class weapon , well done mate
Many thanks Brad. I wanted to be the first to do a proper build video and show some of the key features and differences between the 2022 and 1987 model. It's easy to see this car will be great on the race track come vintage days.
Great video I've got one back ordered in the US can't wait to get it.
Its a worthwhile investment. Will be a great car for vintage race events
Great video, I like the colour of the original chassis you showed
The TURBO & TURBO SE each has the bronze anodised chassis. Really nice but a little hard to find in pristine condition.
Great video buddy, really takes me back to when i got mine for christmas in 87, was built that day & raced on boxing day, i'm a bit disappointed they haven't brought back the original shocks as i could have done with some spares but the belt tensioner is a nice touch, have not ordered one as yet as i still love my cats too much but i might get one to build with the kids in the future as they are running my swb cat atm & they scare me everytime they hit the track with it!!! haha
Thank you Mr Gains. I guess with all things, they were set to modernise part of it and yes the shocks take a little getting use to compared to what we once loved. Still, they are very good dampers.
Awesome video friend thank you very much.
Its good knowing people appreciate it. Thank you
Can’t wait to receive mine.😍🙌
It will be like xmas
Great video! Funny that mine came with a little bottle of blue thread lock.
Really cool un boxing video optima mid always my dream buggy👍👍👍👍
Yes the rerelease is a welcome addition to the line up and it really does not dissappoint
I just finished building mine. What a satisfying experience! So where did you get the undercarriage protector? I'd love to get one for mine.
With mine I'm going to buy an extra body and make both versions!!!
Very well done video.
Thank you
awesome car!
Kyosho really did this design a real service
Nice build video, looking forward to building one of these myself after having rebuilt a couple of vintage ones. I see some nice improvements here and there, with the exception of the plastic link that joins the steering pivots. Also you have a very steady hand when cutting out the body.
Isn't is strange that Kyosho put a plastic drag link rather than the metal one they put in with their Ultima.
@@Bormac073 Can the plastic link be replaced with the Ultima one? It does feel odd, with all their attention to detail, like the soft pads on the battery holders, to go for what seems like a cheap solution in the steering system with that drag link. It doesn't fit the premium feel that this kit has oozing all over in any other area.
@@rc-fannl7364 i completely agree. At some point Im going to look into swapping it over with the Ultimas
@@Bormac073 I'd be very interested in hearing your findings on this.
Good video 👍
Thanks
Great video Jason. Outstanding work as usual. My kit should be in my hands in the next week. Looking forward to it.
Many thanks Keith. I appreciate the compliment. Ive just watched back your video of you unveiling the RCL's again. Your quality is improving also.
@@Bormac073 I appreciate your comment but my quality is terrible compared to you my friend. I run an excavator better then most. Videographer, not so much. Hopefully it will come with time.
@@rcicons4915 Keith you want to see me swing a hammer. Ive been a chippy (Carpenter/Builder) 20+ years. Learning to video and edit has been both frightening and rewarding
Nice model!!!
Kyosho did really well
Aaah, nostalgia. I remember during this era Kyoshos really made an impresson on me. The fine anodized shocks were simply called "Gold" and on the lower spec cars you would get the "Black Gold" which were a nicer word for plastic :). The only thing I still haven't figured out is why the earlier "black gold" were red plastic?
Yes.
Fantastic build video mate 👍
I say paint it in the Turbo Optima mid scheme.
Awesome to see the changes from the original.
I got mine yesterday, and I cannot wait to build it. Just have to finish a few other cars before I start however.
I think Kyosho are releasing an aluminium option part for the drag link btw.
I like you idea on which way to go. Thank you David.
I was surprised about the drag link considering it was metal as standard on their Ultima rere from a few years back.
@@Bormac073
Exactly what I thought.
I am just finishing my Ultima and saw that the link was aluminium.
Who knows why they decided plastic on this model?
Surely it wouldn't have added much to the cost.
I dont want to shit on Tamiya but damn Kyoshos packaging is next level
There are people who will get hung up on it but I prefer to build and drive most of my stuff
Building mine currently, this video has been very useful for build tips. Did you bother glue the tyres or FRP edges? Personally I've just sanded the FRP and it seems OK (although may glue where body pin goes through), and the tyres are quite snug anyway. Curious to know what you've done.
Yes tyres were glued but no, I have never glued any edge of fibreglass sheet but I do on my carbon fibre. I intend to fit all c/f to this car in the near future. Gave it its second track run yesterday and its so well planted.
Thanks for the video... I have the Turbo Optima Gold kit to build, and have been having a blast with my Ultima... I am torn as to whether or not to get a Mid....
Question, where does the ESC go?
As far as colors and Stickers.... I like the blue Turbo stickers, but not on a yellow base color...?
This is the beauty, the body is clear so paint it however you like. I just went with the Turbo them because it brings back memories of seeing the Turbo Mid at my local track back in the day.
Esc can go anywhere you can fit it 😅
Great video, will be a help when I build my kit. I noticed you did not seal the edges of the FRP.. is this just going to be a shelf queen.
I thought about it but I usually only seal carbon fibre components. My intention is go full carbon this car.
It takes a number of days to film, edit and so on. In the end I just wanted the car built and although I did see this suggestion in the manual its one that I chose to disregard.
Nice..I always wanted one
Forrunately Kyosho have released a cracker for us to own
@@Bormac073 Still only preorder in the states
@@philthyco1 yes its a little bit sad. I only got mine a few days ago so its been a real mission getting this video up on YT
Thank you Jason, I really enjoyed this. Kyosho Europe is still waiting for the kits that are stuck on the “slow boat from China”. That’s what you get when trying to do the right thing and buy locally 😳 next time I’m going back to ordering from Japan or HK.
Compliments like this coming from you Tom are great fully received. Thank you.
Hi dear thank you for the video,
Is Everything i need to assemble is included like (lubes,and liquids to add ons) Or!
What else i need to purchase (electronically) to run the car?
Hi there. There is shock oil and grease but you'll need thread locking compound.
Great video
Where did you get your motor from
Looking to put one in my Ultima Pro
Hi Levin. Ebay or user groups on FB.
Does the rere come with both decal options or did you order the Turbo Optima Mid SE ones separately?
The first release kit did.
I had a new original in 88 and raced it . The only problems I had were the pins on the driveshafts sheering off and tie rods breaking. Other than that bullet proof. In its defence I ran modified . Carpet was extremely hard on it , mostly I'd say from its weight being much heavier than the competition.
Wow man, never heard or even seen those things happen any car let along a Kyosho
hey great clip man, I just ordered one of these. I'm only 1 year into RC and I race 1/10 touring (nitro + electric). This is my first foray into the vintage buggy scene. I guess its mandatory to use a silver can? I'd prefer to use brushless - is this a daft idea? Nothing crazy (21.5T or something)
The club series I race in requires a Johnson 540J silver can in stock. Its our control motor so I wanted to test the car and new track layout as such with this motor. The car would handle a whole lot more power easily.
Very nice! That brings back some 1980s memories. I never had an Optima Mid my first and only 4wd was the Lazer ZX but I guess it's the same lineage!
Thankfully Kyosho has taken us back in time and given us all the opportunity to enjoy this platform again
Hi dear thank you for bringing memories my mum threw it in the bin in 1999 she was thinking i grew up and its only a kids toy!! I felt crying 😢
Whats the Cost today of a fully assembled 2022 with a radio controller?
That is rather unfortunate. Sorry to hear. Fortunately I boxed all my old gear up from when I use to race and it was like opening a time capsule.
Great video.
I see you used Grease instead of diff oil. Any pros or cons?
I just received this kit and was curious about oil vs Grease.
Back in the day grease was used, not oil. I don't consider my set up the ultimate modern race set up so I pack with grease to keep the gears lubed as was the design back in the 80's
@@Bormac073 Sounds good to me. I'm doing the same, just grease. This is my first optima build and was afraid I must use oil. Thanks for the reply.
nice 80s retro synthwave...
Yeah I am really liking some of the music choices I have found
Nice bud i bought a chassis from the states. The entire drive system was chewed up as little stones would enter gearboxes etc
When the lexan belt covers were correctly sealed the drive line usually stays clean.
I am currently building my kit. Did you go with a brushless motor? If so, what did you go with?
Hi Kevin. At this stage I have only run the Johnson 540J silver can motor but teamed up with a modern lip out the track the car drives well.
I see kit supplied grease was used for the differential. What others and myself found confusing is that Kyosho states we can use a diff. oil, however, provides no reference for a starting point. There are literally dozens of different weights! Any suggestions?
Hi GM. These 80's designs were only designed to incorporate grease back then so even though the housings have been modernised to accommodate oil, I just stick with the grease. Modern racers will know far more on this than I because it seems manufacturers have gone away from ball differentials in favour of oil filled gear units.
@@Bormac073 Excellent dude. I'll go with the Kyosho clear silicone grease. It's in the kit, we paid for it, might as well use it! haha
i love to have one
Available at retail now
lovely job, im just about to build mine and ive decided to go brushless however im struggling to see where i can fit the Hobbywing MAX10 esc? it looks very tight and not much room for a fan cooled esc? any ideas?
Hi Doug. Im not familiar with much of the modern tech but with limited space Im running a budget 1060 basic brushed unit with a Johnson 540J motor.
I am certain once someone comes up with a saddle chassis plate it will offer more real estate for bulky esc's to fit.
The car doesn't need the latest BL gear to drive well.
Any luck with the ESC space Douglas ? I am in same boat and looking for a non-fan ESC that can take a hot brushless motor as the reviews for the Kyosho ones are underwhelming (and expensive)
@@0836whimper Hi, it's not the best solution but the only one I could think of, I've mounted it above the battery on double sided tape, for this I've modified the body shell and had to ream a large hole in the window, its been fine so far but I'm sure the fan will fail at some point??
Let me know if you find a better solution? Thanks
@@douglaspuglas6888 thank you for replying. I am trying to avoid any body mods so will try a fanless ESC, hot BL motor and 2S Lipo. I run a 9.5 BL turn motor on NiMh with a fanless ESC on a ReRe Egress fine, so we will see.
@@0836whimper I hope it works out for you because it's not ideal what I've done so maybe I'll switch to your way?
Can we purchase the one way bearings for optima buggy nowadays?
I mean the re realsed ones...,
Im not aware of it. Perhaps check with your local hobby shop?
You know I wish kyosho would remake all their old brushed motors I also feel the same way about Tamiya.
At least Kyosho paid homage to some of their old motors by releasing brushless beauties to keep the aesthetic alive in modern times.
Look into the Kyosho LeMans 490 brushed motor. Its relatively new release and its brushed. Why dont you order one and review it on your channel?
Just a question for all out there - I’m up to the stage of installing ESC. Really struggling to see how it can fit - space is very limited and it doesn’t screw into position as shown on manual as I’m using a different ESC. Any ideas?
The smaller the esc the better. In both the rere and the original I mounted the esc on the top deck
@@Bormac073 thanks for that - think I will go down that path too
Hey guys. I've just bought this kit after 30 years since my last rc car. Can anyone tell me how much silicone grease to use in the differentials? I don't see that step in these video's so I'm not sure what the setup is. I've got some 15000 ready to go when I work it out.
Cheers
Nick in NZ
Just pack it in enough so that it's offering the gears some resistance. Worked well for me.
Where did you mount your ESC?
As per the manual you can squeeze a Quikrun 1060 in there
will this stand up to brush less 10.5t
There's only one way to find out 😆
Can the gearbox and pulley system take a hot brushless system like 5, 000kv or up?
Probably could take an atomic bomb!
I’ve wondered how well this would do racing against the never vehicles given it was one of the first mid motor 4WD buggies
Having driven it now at the Casso track, totally out of the box standard, the car drives super well!
It will only get better with tuning
What did you apply at 5:31?
CA glue
Thanks for your reply. I built the original one in the old days, can’t remember if any glue needs to be applied 😅
Does it take 2.2 wheels?
Yes
groovy ass build lol i was stuck & watched the whole thing :) i had the original as a kid
Its good to hear people getting value from this content I create. Thank you Shane
still backordered here in the US 😫
Oh man 😩. Thats really not cool. Sorry to hear this Nick
@@Bormac073 holy crap, mine shipped yesterday finally! yaaaaaaaay, can't wait :)
@@nickkalister6291 you'll soon find out what a great build this release is. Lots of great asvancements
I saw that you used a wire cutter and stripper to hold the shock shaft it doesn't matter up does it cause I could use that to hold my shock staffs when I want to put them together on any car please answer this.
Its a broad blunt smooth crimping surface. Not cutting. I utilise this so not to damage the shock shaft
@@Bormac073 should just hold the very bottom not top also 2 oring should never go next to each other should always be something between them
@@roblapouple7552 maybe you could look at the manual and see for yourself? In the AYK Pro Radiant and Boost shocks the 2 seals are slid in together. Im just following the manual my friend.
Sorry to see this all bothers you but hey, you obviously have your own way of building things as do I. Its what makes the hobby so much fun.
@@Bormac073 yea the manual may well have it wrong .. you never put 2 oring together it's basic engineering. I just built a PR SCT and manual also had 2 oring together but on the parts tree the .36 mm shim that is meant to go between orings was right there .. with all the other shock pieces. Omissions and mistakes in instructions are common.
@@Bormac073 I didn't watch the entire video but what I did watch you did a very good job and especially showing comparisons between the two models. I know you put a lot of work and deserve a lot more views than idiots that get some cheap china crap for free take it to a skate park, or speed test overgeared crap and proceed to hype it for money. Keep up the good work. People that know appreciate the good work you do
Turbo pls
This car is going to dominate vintage racing.
You are not wrong Paul. It's going to lift the bar. Right out of the box its easy to see this car will be popular with the racers. Many thanks Paul.
Why red loctite wouldn't that be a problem if you had to replace the gear diffs?
Its purple.
Threadlocker 222 is low strength.
I traditionally use the blue, but when my current bottle is finished. I will be getting the purple.
Better for small screws.
@@David-Benjamin precisely. No one needs to be using loc-stud 😆
@@David-Benjamin you know they have thread lock for multi-surface for stripped screw areas of the holes I think they have a multi-surface loctite that will go to strip plastic and stop it from falling out and not constantly turning.
SPA240!!
Yes sir. I say if you are going to do it, do it with style 😍
turbo optima mid
This and the Schumacher Cat XLS have one glaring detail in common, which is that the bottom portion of the belt passes UNDERNEATH the motor can. It's a struggle between ground clearance and lowering the center of mass of the car. The motor is a very dense object; that and the battery pack. While the Schumacher won an IFMAR worlds (because it had an outstanding driver at the wheel), the Optima didn't, and while it's an excellent design I think what prevented it from reaching higher success is this limitation, of having the mass of the car raised slightly. I've been working on a better strategy; similar but better. ua-cam.com/video/7rlre6-JRNE/v-deo.html Another great assembly video, this Optima Mid one that you posted. I will refer back to it if I need to see some of the details. I usually consult with PDF versions of instruction manuals to get my info/ideas, but sometimes there isn't enough detail there. Well this video has plenty of detail. Thanks.
Sounds like you need to get out more my friend... But seriously, back in the 80's there were many weird and wonderful designs and the hobby was really just starting out. Rather than over think each design, I just learn to appreciate the stepping stone those designs provided as the cars and the hobby has progressed and the evolution these early designs provided a platform to go from. No doubt anyone of a engineering design back ground could pull apart the early designs and concepts but this is what made the hobby so interesting.
@@Bormac073 The people who think the least seem to be the most popular on social media. Oopsy, did I overthink that too? Yes, an intelligent person would realize that UA-cam and Facebook are social engineering vehicles, which are training you to behave a certain way. I get out every day mate. Don't hate me for being intelligent. Don't hate me for realizing patterns in the R/C industry, in car designs, and in this world as a whole. Intelligent people match patterns. That's what they do.
@@NeriEngineering-oq6vh my response was in humour. Also pulling apart old designs for the sake of challenging design at such an early time of the hobby is a bit odd to me. These companies were learning and most have evolved into the more efficient designs of today.
So no, not hating on intelligence, by all means do as we are, create your own content and apply your own logic.
@@Bormac073 There is a lot to be learned by pulling up old designs and analyzing where they failed. Actually quite a bit of effort was put into e.g. Losi XX-4, which was made pre-2000. Nowadays it's mostly copy and paste. Whether you believe it or not there is a TON of innovation to be made, unfortunately the "industry" won't let it happen, the reasons for this are too complex to explain in this simple comment. Cheers. Carry on. I hope to view more of your great content. BTW it's not only model car industry. The automotive industry in general, the bicycle industry, the firearm industry are other examples where a TON of innovation can be made, but is currently being stifled.
@@NeriEngineering-oq6vh I just look at these at toys mate. Its a pass time and little more than that.
Its just all about the fun
I was told that the "red"thread lock was permanent
Im using the purple threadlock. Been using it for years and its never been a problem getting threads undone
@@Bormac073 ok to me it looked like a bottle