Town of Salem 2 - Pirate... Town or Evil? [All Any]
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- First game Vet, second game Solo Soul Collector. But I mostly want to ask everyone opinions on the pirate, both in general and in terms of this game. What do you all think?
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Town: *filled with so many evils*
Pirate: *Can make it even harder for town*
Vigilante: "YOU MUST BE TROLLING. HOW DARE YOU ASK ME TO CONFIRM MYSELF BY SHOOTING THE PIRATE? DIE!" *shoots a town* "YOU ALMOST THREW THE GAME''
That vigilante seriously pissed me off. Regardless of your opinion on the whole pirate thing, the fact there were so many killers and the vig refused to shoot one that was confirmed and could be killed... ''let me shoot the one that makes sense instead of confirmed pirate, cause if they are town, I'll just blame them''
It's funny how Rascal and Derp were calling themselves better players while Rascal threw the whole game for town by not understanding what's wrong with putting 2 evils on a good night. Looking back I think Rascal and Derp were actually CHEATING on call together in a group. At 34:57 Rascal says that Derp told him to "vote the other evil" from his vision, but Derp said he told him to fake his will, yet they never whispered each other at all ingame before Rascal posted his bad will.
Yup. No wonder he was instantly willing to work with exe and literally doing whatever exe was telling him to do
@@quackduckquack He just got lucky there with the fact that exe target was coven too. He could have easily just gotten 2 townies killed instead. The other thing is that Rascal told exe to kill "the other evil from his vision", yet he based it off his first vision being 4/15/2, but 15 was already a dead evil so he really didn't understand psychic.
The fact you won with a simple reverse psychology "I'm death" in the same lobby that refuses to hang pirate kinda just proves how easily manipulated the pirate defenders are and how it probably isn't a particularly good strategy
For as long as there is town of Salem, there will be townies throwing their own games to give pirates and jesters the win
And exes apparently
@@HenH515 I think Rascal and Derp had to have been on call in game 2 to coordinate that exe lynch. There were no whispers at all.
@@Flametixtrue also the way derp stood up for them after. Didn't seem like a random exe stranger
tbh i get the Pirate thing. Especially if a Pirate is not keeping track of town and just dueling whoever they want for a dub. And the whole "pirate is pseudo town" thing is bull when Pirate can literally side with any other faction they want. There's no guarantee they'll do what town wants. It really does just come down to who has what roles and if you're really willing to risk throwing. I support your grindset g ❤
Depends on the pirate but I think a good pirate is more likely to fuck over evils than town and worth keeping around.
It's like in TOS 1, ppl used to take surv's side and side with survs until the game became older and ppl started to hang surv claims whenever they came up cause they just aren't gonna vote with you, help you or be useful. Shadow is just ahead of the curve here, pirates will be hung in the future when ppl realize how much of a nuisance they can be late game.
@@jaegybomb but if you have a confirmed NK to kill to confirm yourself, and instead random shoot, you're shit
@@jaegybombyeah but you roll the dice every time. Pirate is neutral for a reason. They can do whatever the fuck they want.
@@lumivoid950 sure, if in the long run it works out in town's favor the individual variance doesn't really matter though.
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In the second game, 4 claimed witched day 2. They were the only alive witched claim cause poisoner had the book night 1. But a solid solo apoc win either way.
pirate is neutral EVIL, they’re not an honorary townie and they’re not an inherently good role. pirate in tos2 has joined jester and exe with the whole “if i help town will you let me win??” and it’s boring
Me thinks people only defend pirate so hard because they want the same treatment when they get the role.
A role that can rb and possibly kill townies every night can only be justifiably kept around when you have like, no TKs
But you are a pirate yourself. Luffy would be disappointed in you if he heard you saying that.
@@quackduckquack a real pirate doesn’t rely on town to let them win. Thats why Luffy ain’t ready
Pirate can win with all, but he can also be a threat to all. Unless they get free wins from leavers, they ARE a threat that needs to be considered. The only situation that you shouldn't lynch outed Pirate is if doing so is too slow for town to win.
Yea you can keep pirates alive. Guess what? You can also kill them ez pz you win. No having to rely on pirate realizing there are 300 more evils than town and turning on you because "sorry bro but I wanted the win" "it's ok I understand it doesn't matter that town lost because of you if we're still friends 😊😊"
Friendly reminder you CAN WIN without pirate
I have a proposal to stop this pirate stuff. Any time you're evil and have teammates, fake claim pirate and have somebody claim pirated. If enough people start doing it, these geniuses will have to relent and stop saying silly things like wanting to get rid of evil is sus.
Anybody that can hurt town that isn't town has to go. It's that simple.
Imma start doing it my next game
You're 100% right Shadow, delete all Pirates on sight, f that noise.
I won a game as solo pb yesterday. Claimed tracker and confirmed myself d2 and d3 (like 5 people got infected that night and i still got it right). Got knighted by monarch and used that to just avoid a 50/50 with 3 people alive. Was very happy with it
Pirate is not a town role. He can help but he's not in your team. I agree with your decision. I don't play ToS but getting a freebie is lame. Just like I hate attacking an afk/dced player in LoL. In my head, a victory needs to be earned or it is no victory. I remember seeing videos where you or your team getting destroyed by a pirate, so tough luck, if they want to win they need to bluff like evil roles.
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I always felt that unless you vet baited day 1, there's no reason to alert night 1 because you're more than likely going to kill a townie or simply waste the alert.
Bruh if things go south pirate can 100% backstab town. Especially since you can't pirate same person twice. So imagine if there are 4 people remaining 2 being townies, 1 evil and 1 pirate. The pirate loses a duel against evil. Now not only you can't vote up the evil because pirate won't vote, pirate will duel a townie next letting the evil kill someone and turning a winnable game to a loss for town.
People sometimes really likes following trends and metas without doing their own thinking.
Rascal and Derp should rename themselves as Dumb and Dumber holy sheet they were so annoying lol. "The superior players" while they clearly fucked the game by making the psychic fake his own will. I'm also guessing they were cheating since no whispers between each other.
hey shadow this is your reminder to just print out the coven book order and tape it to the side of your computer monitor. memorization is for suckers
All your opinions are correct gluk gluk 34:34
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Strap in here’s my pirate opinion. Pirate is the only NK / NE that town absolutely adores and doesn’t get hanged despite being just as dangerous as any of the other Neutrals. Exes and Dooms get hanged almost immediately if they’re outed, and jesters get shot or executed by jailers if they’re suspected. No one wants them to win and anyone who claims them might as well die. Hell doom kills just as many people as the pirate and is incentivized to kill coven (easier guesses) and still gets lynched once outed. Neutral evils get the shaft compared to pirate.
My second point is I’ve had so many games as SK where I was found out night 1 by invest and offered to help the town kill evils and serve as a blue vigi that they can hang if I don’t kill who they ask me to. Instantly hanged. No questions asked. As SK I could kill only coven and as soon as I’m outed, I’m hanged.
The double standard of it is stupid, if you’re going to hang all the other evils then hang the pirate too. If you’re gonna let doom and exe live, then let the pirate live too. I think pirate can be useful to town but it definitely shouldn’t make you sus to want to hang a legitimate evil.
Would be cool if you could get in a lobby with pipe when he and his friends are doing a mostly friend lobby, get to see how two masterminds fare against each other
Also, any town who wants to keep pirate alive is throwing, you could have a quiet tk or tpow waiting to react later in the game who could quite easily target them. They’re a threat to the town just as much the evil, get them out if there’s no solid leads to follow… simple
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I see it as the same dumbass meta from the first game where, apparently, everyone just believes the Executioner claim. "iT's A wAsTe Of A vOtE!11!!!" Getting a rid of a threat to town... is a waste of a vote... There is literally ZERO logic to make that make sense.
I haven't played the first game in a long time, and I doubt I'm going to play the second. All because of the stupidity required to have that mindset in the first place.
Town of Salem players when you want to hang an evil role: 😔😢🙀😭😤🤬
You would not believe the amount of games I've played recently where people outright come out as NK and tells town they will only kill bad guys and people believe them and let them live like??!?! What even is this game
Could name yourself VetScrolls next game, would be fitting
Eh, Jailor and Admirer (the only other townies alive at the end there) also wanted the pirate hung in the first game so it's not like hanging pirate is a "super evil thing to do"
I do agree about the Pirates situation since they could be jerks and betray town so I agree with wanting them hanged, but my pussy ass doesn't wanna be hated so I just ignore them. In this case I get the panic with wanting to hang Pirate since so many evils plus could rb you so you didn't alert or rb the Jailor so your points make sense. People in this game are so toxic. I suggest just trying to ignore them and use your instincts.
pirate is the peak neutral role. can go fuck town, can go fuck mafia, can win with both, with neither.
Pirates should be considered down the same vein as any other neutral: Not town, therefore town should get them out by some means
20:03 4 claimed witched, that could have helped with guessing coven killing role
yeah I just missed it I'm bad ;_;
@@ShadowBeatzInc dw man it happens to the best of us... If I ever played TOS I'd be spending the whole night worrying and overthinking stuff and probably could not come up with any decent plans or decisions. Props to you for being able to do that
The falcon has a hood over his head, he is just mourning his dead master :(
I agree with your take on pirate Shadow they aren't town plain and simple however i can agree that they aren't one of the roles to throw out before like a confirmed coven or any other NK or NA but i do believe that town leaving in a pirate isn't smart cuz a pirate will always be a pirate.
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Pirate is not town, there is no guarantee that he will side with town even if they claim they will. Whatever is the easiest way to win, so if pirate hasn't won yet they will stall votes on evils to get their win.
I have yet to see Survivors.
Is the role been removed from the game, Persephone?
Yeah, TOS2 removed most of the kingmaker possibilities.
Neutral Benign was was scrapped entirely. Survivor got axed, Amnesiac is a town role now (who automatically remembers a townie in the graveyard during the day), and Guardian Angel has become Admirer
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you say not alerting N1 is a scum thing to do. Do you mean that in a "you're a scummy player" way or "it makes you look evil if you claim N1: No alert" way? If latter, nothing's stopping a veteran from lying about how many times they have alerted, right? I mean, that info only matters to evils.
Just going of CAA from ToS1, in many games you're heavily outnumbered and getting pirate's help is your only chance of overcoming all the evils - evils recognised this, so tend to target pirate.
wait a minute is that pinkaboo in that shadowbeatz lobby?
Edit: they died very fast.
My only experience with this game is watching your videos, but I think it’s wise to hang neutrals if you have no other leads. After all, they’re not on anyone’s side. Town or evil
I prefer Town of Salem to Among Us simply because ToS is a collective-win game (pirate, doomsayer, etc win independently of town/coven) whereas Among Us is a free-for-all, but I do agree you have to protect your Jailor from the Pirate. If you don't have a Jailor you should keep Pirate unless he threatens another role like a Prosecutor who used one of two hangs or a confirmed Cleric/Vigilante. If the Pirate swashbuckles a Veteran they deserve to die regardless
Ngl pirate is one of the easiest roles to win as without even trying. Just suck off some town and they let you live if you get a kill on evil early on
Yeah but you lynching the pirate probably won that game. Maybe next time say 'We can't leave the pirate alive to RB the jailor or we lose' and maybe people will be more accepting of that
Also alerting N1 has a way higher chance to kill a townie than a coven. Doesn't make any sense to me to alert N1 unless you baited
The free pass thing is dumb and it makes pirate less fun when pirates straight out claim they're pirate and town is like "ok let pirate be." Their names aren't green and they're not entitled to wins
Hey man you doing the long Christmas special this year? :)
People just have this constant need to give pirates free reign to do fuck all because when they're pirate they want this treatment too. There's no way you keep pirate alive in that game, unless I'm bad and I'm wrong here.
I like the part where you Town of Salemed
In the first game, I don’t understand why 2 shot you. He was the first person to vote the pirate. If it’s sus to want to hang the pirate, then he should sus himself. Not the person who voted for the pirate last. Jailor also wanted to get pirate out. At that point in that game when there’s no other leads, getting the pirate is fine imo. It’s much better than a mislynch. And you know there’s an SK and WW left, so having the vigi just confirm himself on a killable non-townie seems like it would benefit town more than anything.
God the amount of town brainlets that throw for NE is crazy.
eh pirate is a neutral they can do whatever they want argue anyway you please but I would say if you’re a neutral you do not have to help town do whatever you want The worst they can do is kill or hang you same goes for other evils (you could very well argue as well that you do waste time by killing neutrals but when have we ever not done this)
Yeah no pirate needs to hang if you have town maj. A pirate will always go for the easy win.
pirate will always chose to kill town in the end if they need to kill someone. theres no reason to keep them alive. and not every pirate will play like a town. they shouldnt expect to just breeze on through if they claim. pirate isnt town.
Nah pirate dies everytime
Why did they get rid of mafia?
Coven more powerful
Wanting to keep pirate in a game with a WW SK and a jailor is pretty insane behavior but then the next game with a REAL psy effing up their credibility to scratch an exe's back.. dude at least do it properly and add the exe and the target together on an evil night and let them battle it out.. that was worse than the pirate thing, thats throwing 101 classic and simple. Why would town bend their backs to help neutrals win when they're neutrals? in that situation where town wouldn't have lynched anyone that day or you aren't completely sure you gained the pirate loyalty then why defend them? keep in mind that pirate needed to keep away from the sk and ww to live as well unless they're risking it. I think taking a free win from someone is evil and annoying like lynching a pirate when theres a dc'ed player and it's their 2nd win thats annoying but it isn't game throwing just really really toxic. Imagine refusing as a vigi to confirm your existence in a game that had a lot of immunes and wanting to keep a pirate with no wins in d3 for a minimum of 2 other days, what if they refuse to vote with you cause too many people died and now they have to pirate you cause you're the only one they can pirate? They won't honor the fact that you kept them alive when they want a win themselves. In general keep the pirate in if it could be beneficial to you, there's other things to focus on or they're not a risk to your faction at that moment, killing pirate/jesters shouldn't be your priority as town but pirate doesn't necessarily help town, they probably help neutral killings the most ig cause no pirates wanna go on an sk or ww. It's a case by case situation so I don't agree with just fuck the pirate cause they're pirate but obviously in your game you were completely in the right and nobody could change that lol, had that pirate lived and targeted you (very likely cause you're pushy) you would've been roleblocked and shot by that vigi who thinks you're totally evil. The lack of knowledge on game mechanics by that vigi is staggering.
Pirate has to die they can kill you any time lmao how is that even a question?
Nah I think that it's unethical to hang Pirate.
What ethics are you talking about? This is a game about lying and backstabbing people.
You just sound like an ignorant narcissistic teenager in this. Whether you keep pirate alive depends on the current game state. It depends on how many evils there seem to be. On whether evils want to waste the day or make sure an evil doesn't get lynched. Most of the time it is in fact evils who try to get the pirate out. Getting pirate out in this game was situationally correct, but it's not going to always be correct. I also agree on the vigi play. I also tend to shoot pirate claims when I am vigi. But thanks for letting me skim through this first video of yours that I watched on 2.5x speed so I didn't have to possibly waste more of my time watching more of your videos.
This has got to be the weirdest way I have ever seen somebody say "you're the best ToS player I've ever seen and my new favorite channel" but I'll take it. Welcome aboard friend :D I'll be sure to give you more tips to improve your game!
A lot of edge going on here.
Man this is so strongly worded for saying a lot of nothing "it's correct but it's not correct"