So... you run a essential rail system in one of the most affluent metropolitan regions in the world but it's been neglected to the point that the system needs to be completely overhauled because you don't have reserves for capital expenditures because?... it's all going to resolving strikes and other overly generous entitlements. This past month has to be the worst in terms of outages due to track/system faults. BART is decent compared to the NY subway or London tube but really? It's 2015 and the train operators are announcing the stops (often incorrectly.) Relatively speaking...I can't help but think that the root cause is poor governance...
Even their boasts here signify sheer falsehoods. Astonishing that those trains never went through any rebuild. Nobody else ever wanted to bring about a system like that, so their scouring the world over for spare parts has me scratching my head..oh well.
You get what you pay for. Public infrastructure and public transportation seems to haven''t been renewed since the 1980ties in the US. NYC its crap, Chicago the trains are horrible run down and in San Fransico it seems to be the same story. In Europe its the other way around Copenhagen is building a new Driverless metro or rather expanding with a City ring Line, to the already existing Driverless cross City Line to the airport. London is building Crossrail, and also expanded the Overground (Commuter trains not subways). It seems Tragic comical that a Nation that put a man on thr Moon has collapsing infrastructure, because taxisation aparently is evil...
I call BART BAT Bay Area Transit because BART lost the R many years ago. it's anything but rapid. The trains are almost 47 years old. The inside of the trains smell, the floors are sticky, the speakers in some of the cars don't work or you can barely hear the train operator announce which station is coming up next and the AC in some of the cars doesn't work. Time to get rid of these antique trains and get some new ones on the tracks.
Tell this to the people in Livermore who paid taxes to BART based on the promise the system would be built to Livermore. BART adds to the growing suspicion that government projects over promise and under deliver. Time for serious reform of BART management and governance.
tamiasthechipmunk incorrect. do some research on other countries with successful mass transit systems. you will find that most of those systems are run as a publicly-traded and for-profit entity, usually with the government owning a significant portion of shares traded. observe Japan and Hong Kong's MTR system. They are able to create a system where public transportation is affordable, employees are paid well (never strike), and is roughly 40 years ahead of us technology wise. It is embarrassing that California, despite its high paid denizens, cannot afford to create a transit system with at least screen doors to prevent people from falling into the track. why the disparity? it's because successful foreign transit systems do not solely rely on funding from a public entity that has no cash (federal and state government have NO MONEY). they instead draw from private investors and corporations willing to put in a personal stake in improving BART in exchange for equity and a cut in profits.
tamiasthechipmunk Partly true. California is completely under the control of Democrats and the lady said Sacramento is not helping either. Plus, both parties are corrupt and pretty much beholden to the auto, petroleum, and highway interests.
+tamiasthechipmonk - That is an ignorant statement. Trump during his campaign pledged a $1 Trillion USD infrastructure initiative to rebuild America's infrastructure. Now just recently they were talking about [reducing it to] $300 Billion. At least they were talking about it though, and working it into a budget. Where I don't agree, is the Trump tax cut. It was done/ implemented poorly. The tax cut was too much, and not in the right places. So how does Trump expect to pay for all these infrastructure upgrade/ maintenance projects (such as BART) by cutting taxes? Maybe the possibility for bond issues will be greater now, because the wealthier investors will have more money to invest? I don't know. But it seems that is the best way, aside from direct taxes for such projects. There are such things as Capital Improvement Bonds or Infrastructure Maintenance/ Upgrade Bonds issued by states, municipalities, counties, or other public agencies.
Excellent! All the more reason to continue automating and eventually eliminate the need for an operator on train. Las Vegas Monorail is a perfect example. Clean, safe, efficient.
jwbaker15 I think Bart should only expand to Livermore ACE and ACE should get tunnels through the Altamont pass with trains that can go over 100 mph because it would be the same cost, more convenient, and faster. Because Bart has a top speed of 80 mph and electric commuter trains can go over 100 MPH. ACE is more convenient as it uses standard gauge and Bart uses broad gauge. This means ace could have trains turn south to Modesto and north to Stockton at the junction in Lathrop. ACE also would still be able to go south to San Jose/Silicon Valley meaning this would benefit more commuters whereas Bart riders would have to go all the way to Bay Fair before transferring to get to San Jose/Silicon Valley, witch would take longer.
OMG! They interviewed my dreamgirl at 27 seconds in! I think they need to extend Bart to Fairfield, or at least the Suisun Amtrak station, out to Livermore and into Marin county. There are so many more people in the bay area, pretty soon, its going to take 3 hours to go 30 miles! Its getting there, it can already take 2! Just 10 years ago, it wasn't so crowded, we need more train service.
Lol a minute in I knew this was more of a "Uh yeah, we're kind of broke and no one seems to care" instead of a "look to the future". Why do we spend so little on public transit? It's a shame.
You guys think...maybe one day...The Asbhy Station can get some updated remodeling?? Or a good cleaning at least? The Ashby Station hasnt gotten any love in over 30 years now..
I'm the one cherry-picking? You just named many communities and declared "no problems." That's the ultimate in cherry-picking... waving away any problems as not existing. Tell the people in West Oakland that. I'm sure you've surveyed people in these communities. And notice how you mention Albany and El Cerrito but not Berkeley? That's because the ppl of Berkeley REJECTED overheard and demanded underground, and had the political pull to get what they demanded.
When I first moved to San Francisco those BART stations was so clean and gleaming white you could eat off them over the years and decades they have the com a run down dirty rusty mess ! Repairs are non existent. Every station had men and women bathrooms. Some have been closed since the Middle 1980s - most closed after 911. Trains to become so over crowded the last 10 years it's ridiculous - have to get about keeping them clean ( trains have been trashed ) and you got nobody to blame but BART MANAGEMENT All they give a damn about is PAY RAISES --BONUS +PENSIONS.
+I AM SPONGEBOB, DESTROYER OF EVIL That's is purely coincidende: The Bay Area Rapid Transit was began operation in September 11, 1972, 29 years before the terrorist attacks of 9/11, 15 years before the premiere of "Good Night", which is the first Simpsons short in "The Tracey Ullman Show" and 17 years before the premiere of "Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire", which is the first Simpsons episode as independent series.
I remember riding on BART all day from Concord to SF an back, an only being charged almost nothing, when it was safe for kids to ride an not worried about being kidnapped or worse
Dc does 900000 a day with less population now yall do closer to 200k a day Bart has serious room to expand but you need every ten minute service at least to every branch and you have got to reduce crime. Not sure how it is there but in dc I saw someone vomit on a platform tweeted wmata and in no time it was cleaned up. Wmata may be #1 for customer service. Plus not to brag but every 5 minute service on the red line
today bay fair station saw 18 trains an hour 9 per direction. farragut west has the same number of lines saw 32 an hour thats 16 per direction. people will ride when they wont have to schedule their day around riding. we have the exact same issue which is a single tube per direction carrying the brunt of our traffic but we manage. you need to be committed to the customer, you need a randy clark.
People that complain about standing in the west y’all are just used to cars. On the nyc subway the stations are packed and were always walking. Please stop it
We’ve decried unions and abused the right of workers to organize for many years now. Here is an example in socialist California Not! where through determination and hard work they have kept a transit system running LONG past it’s optimum life. I’ve ridden Bart many times as a visitor and I’ve seen salary schedules online for the workers . They’re receiving at the most “Fair” pay and I think working miracles keeping that thing running.
im not paying a dime to BART until they get their shit together. We did pay you to get important stuff. Going on strikes on a daily basis to demand more benefits and such probably causes more delays than out dated machinery.
First, taxpayers use the system, and they should fund it. But, I'll address your ludicrous idea that only BART employees should pay for it. They have 7 of the 16 billion they need. They need to fund another 9 billion, without using federal or state sources, who will not help. BART has, last I knew, 3,691 employees, from general managers who make ~400k a year, to mechanics who make as little as 27k per year. These figures are total compensation, including any benefits. Second, for each of those 3,691 employees to pay the needed 9 billion, *each employee would have to front a little over 2.4 million dollars (9,000,000,000 ÷ 3,691) - That just won't happen.* Source for number of employees: caltransit.org/about/50-years/member-profiles/san-francisco-bay-area-rapid-transit-district/ Source for BART employee salaries (including benefits): blog.vctr.me/bart/
So... you run a essential rail system in one of the most affluent metropolitan regions in the world but it's been neglected to the point that the system needs to be completely overhauled because you don't have reserves for capital expenditures because?... it's all going to resolving strikes and other overly generous entitlements. This past month has to be the worst in terms of outages due to track/system faults. BART is decent compared to the NY subway or London tube but really? It's 2015 and the train operators are announcing the stops (often incorrectly.) Relatively speaking...I can't help but think that the root cause is poor governance...
Even their boasts here signify sheer falsehoods. Astonishing that those trains never went through any rebuild. Nobody else ever wanted to bring about a system like that, so their scouring the world over for spare parts has me scratching my head..oh well.
You get what you pay for. Public infrastructure and public transportation seems to haven''t been renewed since the 1980ties in the US. NYC its crap, Chicago the trains are horrible run down and in San Fransico it seems to be the same story. In Europe its the other way around Copenhagen is building a new Driverless metro or rather expanding with a City ring Line, to the already existing Driverless cross City Line to the airport. London is building Crossrail, and also expanded the Overground (Commuter trains not subways). It seems Tragic comical that a Nation that put a man on thr Moon has collapsing infrastructure, because taxisation aparently is evil...
I call BART BAT Bay Area Transit because BART lost the R many years ago. it's anything but rapid. The trains are almost 47 years old. The inside of the trains smell, the floors are sticky, the speakers in some of the cars don't work or you can barely hear the train operator announce which station is coming up next and the AC in some of the cars doesn't work. Time to get rid of these antique trains and get some new ones on the tracks.
Tell this to the people in Livermore who paid taxes to BART based on the promise the system would be built to Livermore. BART adds to the growing suspicion that government projects over promise and under deliver. Time for serious reform of BART management and governance.
I have a feeling BART may go to Sacramento because there is many commuters from Sacramento heading to work in the Bay Area.
nope, never gonna happen, sac is not part of the bay area, and never will be, no matter how hard they try
It's surprising there is no federal or state support for mass transit. What's up with that?
Its called the Republican Obstructionism. That's your answer. You want mass transit, DON"T vote republican. Simple as that.
tamiasthechipmunk incorrect. do some research on other countries with successful mass transit systems. you will find that most of those systems are run as a publicly-traded and for-profit entity, usually with the government owning a significant portion of shares traded. observe Japan and Hong Kong's MTR system. They are able to create a system where public transportation is affordable, employees are paid well (never strike), and is roughly 40 years ahead of us technology wise. It is embarrassing that California, despite its high paid denizens, cannot afford to create a transit system with at least screen doors to prevent people from falling into the track.
why the disparity? it's because successful foreign transit systems do not solely rely on funding from a public entity that has no cash (federal and state government have NO MONEY). they instead draw from private investors and corporations willing to put in a personal stake in improving BART in exchange for equity and a cut in profits.
tamiasthechipmunk Such bullshit. I am republican and I support public transit and so do my representatives.
tamiasthechipmunk Partly true. California is completely under the control of Democrats and the lady said Sacramento is not helping either. Plus, both parties are corrupt and pretty much beholden to the auto, petroleum, and highway interests.
+tamiasthechipmonk - That is an ignorant statement. Trump during his campaign pledged a $1 Trillion USD infrastructure initiative to rebuild America's infrastructure. Now just recently they were talking about [reducing it to] $300 Billion. At least they were talking about it though, and working it into a budget. Where I don't agree, is the Trump tax cut. It was done/ implemented poorly. The tax cut was too much, and not in the right places. So how does Trump expect to pay for all these infrastructure upgrade/ maintenance projects (such as BART) by cutting taxes? Maybe the possibility for bond issues will be greater now, because the wealthier investors will have more money to invest? I don't know. But it seems that is the best way, aside from direct taxes for such projects. There are such things as Capital Improvement Bonds or Infrastructure Maintenance/ Upgrade Bonds issued by states, municipalities, counties, or other public agencies.
Excellent! All the more reason to continue automating and eventually eliminate the need for an operator on train. Las Vegas Monorail is a perfect example. Clean, safe, efficient.
OMG OMG OMG Where can I find that 70s automatic train system video in it's entirety. So fucking cool. I came.
When BART has the money the need to extend to Stockton.
jwbaker15 I think Bart should only expand to Livermore ACE and ACE should get tunnels through the Altamont pass with trains that can go over 100 mph because it would be the same cost, more convenient, and faster. Because Bart has a top speed of 80 mph and electric commuter trains can go over 100 MPH. ACE is more convenient as it uses standard gauge and Bart uses broad gauge. This means ace could have trains turn south to Modesto and north to Stockton at the junction in Lathrop. ACE also would still be able to go south to San Jose/Silicon Valley meaning this would benefit more commuters whereas Bart riders would have to go all the way to Bay Fair before transferring to get to San Jose/Silicon Valley, witch would take longer.
It' would be amazing man, specially for those ppl coming to work to the bay
OMG! They interviewed my dreamgirl at 27 seconds in! I think they need to extend Bart to Fairfield, or at least the Suisun Amtrak station, out to Livermore and into Marin county. There are so many more people in the bay area, pretty soon, its going to take 3 hours to go 30 miles! Its getting there, it can already take 2! Just 10 years ago, it wasn't so crowded, we need more train service.
marin is getting it's own rail system called SMART... and livermore is getting a bart staion in like 8 years or so... fairfield, suisin, no chance
Lol a minute in I knew this was more of a "Uh yeah, we're kind of broke and no one seems to care" instead of a "look to the future". Why do we spend so little on public transit? It's a shame.
“...for a train system that is now the oldest in the country.”
- NYC MTA and Boston T: Hold my wheels.
6:58 for a bart Employee with a diamond bezel Rolex complaining about money!!!!
Who else got this recommended to them in 2022?
And no strikes!
get the tech companies to chip in, after all, it's in their best interest, to make sure their employees gain get to work on time.
CTA and NYCT are way older than Bart
You guys think...maybe one day...The Asbhy Station can get some updated remodeling?? Or a good cleaning at least? The Ashby Station hasnt gotten any love in over 30 years now..
BART needs rubber wheels like MEXICO CITY SUBWAY.. BART is a good system but its not smooth and quiet like MC
Now it carries about 500 people a day
I'm the one cherry-picking? You just named many communities and declared "no problems."
That's the ultimate in cherry-picking... waving away any problems as not existing.
Tell the people in West Oakland that.
I'm sure you've surveyed people in these communities.
And notice how you mention Albany and El Cerrito but not Berkeley? That's because the ppl of Berkeley REJECTED overheard and demanded underground, and had the political pull to get what they demanded.
When I first moved to San Francisco those BART stations was so clean and gleaming white you could eat off them over the years and decades they have the com a run down dirty rusty mess ! Repairs are non existent. Every station had men and women bathrooms. Some have been closed since the Middle 1980s - most closed after 911. Trains to become so over crowded the last 10 years it's ridiculous - have to get about keeping them clean ( trains have been trashed ) and you got nobody to blame but BART MANAGEMENT All they give a damn about is PAY RAISES --BONUS +PENSIONS.
Jeff Anderli How about the Federal and State government contributing nothing ?
Yeah, taking care of the employees is stupid.
I can't wait for the San Jose extension
I had to say this: Bart Simpson.
You may attack.
+I AM SPONGEBOB, DESTROYER OF EVIL That's is purely coincidende: The Bay Area Rapid Transit was began operation in September 11, 1972, 29 years before the terrorist attacks of 9/11, 15 years before the premiere of "Good Night", which is the first Simpsons short in "The Tracey Ullman Show" and 17 years before the premiere of "Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire", which is the first Simpsons episode as independent series.
Anthony70099 someone has no sense of humor.
To those passengers that complained about standing: Ride the JR Trains in Tokyo during rush hour for perspective.
I rode it for many years,, gave up on it. Went back to driving, never looked back. Terrible service!
We need WiFi on these as I commute to San Fransisco almost everyday.
I remember riding on BART all day from Concord to SF an back, an only being charged almost nothing, when it was safe for kids to ride an not worried about being kidnapped or worse
New cars should have been first then retrofitting the system then expanding the system
Dc does 900000 a day with less population now yall do closer to 200k a day Bart has serious room to expand but you need every ten minute service at least to every branch and you have got to reduce crime. Not sure how it is there but in dc I saw someone vomit on a platform tweeted wmata and in no time it was cleaned up. Wmata may be #1 for customer service. Plus not to brag but every 5 minute service on the red line
today bay fair station saw 18 trains an hour 9 per direction. farragut west has the same number of lines saw 32 an hour thats 16 per direction. people will ride when they wont have to schedule their day around riding. we have the exact same issue which is a single tube per direction carrying the brunt of our traffic but we manage. you need to be committed to the customer, you need a randy clark.
People that complain about standing in the west y’all are just used to cars. On the nyc subway the stations are packed and were always walking. Please stop it
Still time to order the new trains to be driver-less???
The Dorothy Dugger years were the worst. No thought to maintenance...just a bump on a log.
take it to Livermore!
We’ve decried unions and abused the right of workers to organize for many years now. Here is an example in socialist California Not! where through determination and hard work they have kept a transit system running LONG past it’s optimum life. I’ve ridden Bart many times as a visitor and I’ve seen salary schedules online for the workers . They’re receiving at the most “Fair” pay and I think working miracles keeping that thing running.
I got a video of a BART train arriving on my yt channel
Please keep the old trains running until they completely die
im not paying a dime to BART until they get their shit together. We did pay you to get important stuff. Going on strikes on a daily basis to demand more benefits and such probably causes more delays than out dated machinery.
You dont know how to make them to work today and your tinking abt 40 years forward
Typical California. Overpay for an old dated system
Forensic
Please dont go on strike on the PRIDE parade...
d3r3kyasmar Why?
Good plan. (btw first comment)
Maybe bart employees can reinvest their pensions to pay for that 16 billion they need upgrade the system.Leave tax payers alone......
First, taxpayers use the system, and they should fund it. But, I'll address your ludicrous idea that only BART employees should pay for it. They have 7 of the 16 billion they need. They need to fund another 9 billion, without using federal or state sources, who will not help. BART has, last I knew, 3,691 employees, from general managers who make ~400k a year, to mechanics who make as little as 27k per year. These figures are total compensation, including any benefits. Second, for each of those 3,691 employees to pay the needed 9 billion, *each employee would have to front a little over 2.4 million dollars (9,000,000,000 ÷ 3,691) - That just won't happen.* Source for number of employees: caltransit.org/about/50-years/member-profiles/san-francisco-bay-area-rapid-transit-district/ Source for BART employee salaries (including benefits): blog.vctr.me/bart/
Maybe bart employees can reinvest their pensions to pay for that 16 billion they need upgrade the system.Leave tax payers alone......