I had all the parts, so I thought. But that bar to mount on the beam, I had to watch this again to find what I needed, and then was able to complete my project today. There were about three key you tube videos that helped me, this was the one that got me over the finish line. thank you
As soon as I saw you lifting heavy stuff in your shop I thought of some sort of overhead hoist. Great to see that you're not going to be laying underneath a heavy table now!
Thanks for posting that simple oversight. I have a feeling that most would not. It’s nice to see a situation and have a better understanding from someone else’s trials. Most importantly you showed what you did correctly. Your proper harness setup saved you from crushed piggies.
On my 3000 sq ft commercial shop I use the 440 LB HF winches to raise and lower my 16' X 12" Shop doors. The doors are counter balanced with the door spring to about 100 lbs so the winches will lower without having to pull on their ropes unless raised all the way up. Since these doors are opened to different heights for different jobs coming into the shop, these work great as I have to stand there and run the switch to make it go up or down. And I have the garage door tracks marked off for different heights so I will raise it up enough for certain vehicles (Rock Crawler or RV ect) to clear. Love them. I mounted my winches on the shops 8' peremeter railing and ran the cable up, then used the supplied pully to turn the cable down from the top of the door railing and just hooked it to the doors bottom roller bracket. I use them single line, otherwise the door would raise too slow, and be a pain to wait on. Single line is about the same speed as a normal commercial garage door opener. I have several more bigger HF winches mounted on "I" beams with roller trolly carriages to help move material and engines around in the shop. In 14 years I've only replaced 2. And they were both damaged by a lightning stike. I have overhead storage above my machine shop and the HF winch on the trolly is used to store my engine, transmissions & rearend cores up there.
Hey Cam, The thing missing is how to remain safe when lifting...anything..any way. They taught me in safety school that you never position yourself below a lifted object, no matter how heavy. Please be careful. I don’t want to lose my latest binge just as I’m getting caught up. Love the work. I especially like the “how to/not to” videos. NTITAI: You’re one of the few woodworkers I’ve run across that actually works for a living and films it. Good job!
I used the same hoist you used. I used tracks and rollers for pole barn doors. 2 tracks 6 feet apart run 12 feet wide mounted to all ceiling trusses. I made a 18"x 6' trolley that hangs below with the pole barn door rollers so the trolley moves side to side 12 feet. The trolley has another section of the door track and the hoist is suspended with 2 of the door rollers so it rolls front to back on the trolley. The rollers are rated about 1200 pounds each so they are stronger than the hoist. You could make a 6 foot trolley that would go as far side to side as you want by hanging more tracks. I put it in for pulling the engine and transmission from a old MG Midget. worked great. Rollers run smooth and are nowhere near the rated weights.
Great idea to use tracks and rollers for barn doors. I just need to lift a couple hundred pounds, but multiple times by one person, so this is the solution I need. Front to back and left to right. Though mine will be outside, so I will use a 12 volt winch made for trucks. Thanks!
Others said it already, most important part of the Vajayo is how things can go very wrong! I am so glad you showed that part !!!! Going to again look up rigging tips. Note: if something says not for overhead lifting it is often not because it is not strong enough to lift the load but how it fails will often be catastophic (sp)? bad and dangerous. I am not the safety police type but it helps when you understand how things might go bad or why you shouldn't do something and if you are going to do it anyway understand the potential danger(s) Nice Vajayo!
Just a word of thanks for sharing this. I have a 12' x 4.5' model railroad layout that takes up a lot of area in our finished basement. This is one of the best solutions I've seen, and will use it. Again, thanks.
Being a welder building tons of stainless projects. I do the same type of flipping on the table All the time!! I’ve figured out if I put a few clamps on the end of the table, it will keep it from sliding off and let’s you let it down real easy! Just watch when you do that, depending on your setup, you may end up side-pulling on your wench/chain/strap. Just make sure you’re prepared for that just to be safe
I installed two of these, one for my trailer and one for my kayak.. I am 72 yrs old storing them on the ceiling of my garage saved me from putting them in storage..
Very timely find for me, I am currently I installing a lift to utilize some attic storage space above my garage wood shop. The struts were the solution to attaching my lift. (the lifts all look exactly the same from harbor freight and amazon). I just have to align it to fit into my opening. I enjoy your videos.
I would go back to adding two more lags to the support as in 1/2” x 6”or more into the joists overhead. I don’t know what’s up, but adding longer works better. Thanks again for your work.
Thx for this video! I used all of your recommendations including the same model of winch/hoist, the type of screws, bolts and the Track that mounts to the ceiling as well. I am using this set up as a lift to raise and lower my hardtop on my Jeep Wrangler. I am very pleased with the install.
Gave the winch and the mount a good test, there was a tremendous amount of force when it dropped. I spent 5-6 years working with structural steel, luckily no major incidents and we always went home alive.
Easy to open up both control boxes, at the winch, and add some jumper wires, with an extra switch in the middle, and get them to work together from one control or separately by opening the switch in the middle of the jumper wires.
As for the Fail, that was the true test. That what I needed to know on those hoists. I see that it held up great. My dad gave me one and I am eerie on Harbor Freight items. I know that their tools have come a long way. Even though that says Partsman, they are made by the same company and just put a name to it. I am planing to use it to build me a garage elevator lift to help store items in the garage.
I am thinking of building a Barndominium and you gave me an idea to use one of these to lift stuff to the attic area without having to carry it up an attic ladder. Now I just need to think of what other kinds of life threatening heavy lifting I can do to augment my retirement years.
You can create a tell tail by hanging a string from the ceiling with nut or ? on the end to just above the floor if the nut is touching the floor while lifting something heavy than maybe the ceiling is deflecting too much ? also look for cracks in the drywall.
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The pick point is were your panel is touching down. That means if your wench doesn't move then the table has to center its self under the wench when lifting . If the wench could move it would travel over to the point that is still touching down . Kind of like a plumb bob. And like some folks have said stay out from under the load, that includes the wench.
Just a thought, if you screw a 2x4 to one side of your table it will keep the slab from sliding off one end while you let it down. You might also consider putting both of your winches on one controller... maybe even wireless... Sweet video though! thank you for all of the info!
Those heavy duty green dumpster bags are great for working with slab tables. The yellow straps and attachment points are strong and creates a lift bag for your work, a workbench cover (folded down = workbench dust skirt), a great epoxy dropcloth, and a protective cover for transport. $30 from any box hardware store and can be used for a bunch of projects.... I cut one (2) up to make a rag top camper/toy hauler for my 10' open trailer
I've had that same winch for 2 years. Never could figure out how to install it. Watched your video and saw that the winch is supposed to come with 2 brackets that hold it onto the track.......and what did I find today while moving boxes around....2 brackets. So, this weekend, I'll try to install the winch in the garage. I have one 14 ft. laminated beam in the middle of the garage. It's made up of 3 2x12 boards fastened (maybe glued) together. Should be strong enough (I hope). This winch is pretty heavy just by itself............Never would have gotten this far if I had not seen your video. Thanks
i used my milwaukee 18v batteries and a 10k winch for a truck and made a cordless overhead crane with the battery mounted to the wall of my shop. i originally set it up for portable easy to set up winch for setting prebuilt stairs and large over head beams
Just recently came across your channel, liking the work. I started with some of the newer videos, and couldn’t help but think how bad I wished YOU had a gantry crane or a jib crane in your shop, but it looks like this is your old place. Hope you have plans for somethin in the new spot. Many even a trailer with winch to help transport
I'm getting a similar setup for my garage. Its almost the same as yours, but I'm having a track built like you see in fab-shops. I'll be able to move the load anywhere. I got into bad accident on the job (Heavy Industrial) so I can't lift anything anymore. I can't get anything out of the bed of my truck. This should give me some of my independence back. Thanks for the video.
i have a lift the same company i use it to raise my mowers you should go up in your attic and put some 2 x 8 boards on the rafters and screw or bolt them will keep them a lot stronger helps protect drywall from splitting .
Im not sure if its already been suggested here, but you could consider putting it through a movable pulley and then securing the original hook back onto the secure beam. You would also get finer control with your up/down movements as it seems to move fairly fast.
I cane down to say the same thing. It's a shame our species hadn't worked out a contrivance to easily gain mechanical advantage yet. I don't even know what we'd CALL such a simple machine that would allow one to tackle the problem of hoisting a heavy block of something overhead, maybe just by pulleying on a rope or chain, if only for long enough to lever it into place.
I really appreciate this video because I had just cooked up the same idea for lifting a fifth wheel hitch out of my truck. The first time I did it by hand taught me that I'm lucky I didn't get hurt (180lbs, ouch). I bought a really similar Amazon electric hoist, and I was wondering about using unistrut for the mounting bar. Thank you very much!
@@BlacktailStudio In doing a little more research, I discovered they make trolleys that roll inside the unistrut, so I can move the hoist around on a track. Super cool. Thanks again for taking the time to make this video, it has set me on the right path!
With those kinds of builds, need a semi-vertical rack in the back of the truck like they use for panes of glass, so it should be easier to load and to remove at the customer's location.
Definitely would recommend beefing up the ceiling joists that are affected by the weight of whatever the hoists are lifting. Many houses are constructed using roof trusses and the bottom chord (equals ceiling joist on stick-built home) are usually made of 2x4s rather than 2x8 or 2x10s. But I'd reinforce whatever is up there.
I have one of these. Used it for my Jeeps hardtop. Sold the Jeep, kept this though. Planned to use it in my shop for other things. Great minds think alike I guess.
You can also make two jigs that clamp to the ends of the slab that will rotate . Kinda of like a car rotisserie . That way no need for straps , pulling ... pushing etc. only it’s supported of the hooks not to a base frame like a car rotisserie .
One small detail. Loose the "quicklink" in your connection from hook to strap. Get a proper "pear" ring. "Quicklinks" are generally not rated and can easily deform underload and not show signs of failure> This from a professional entertainment rigger. Defying gravity is our stock in trade. :-)
Thanks for sharing! But, my two cents about handling overhead loads if I may: - wear proper protective equipment. A hard safety hat is mandatory as any pre-catastrophyc failure will drop debris first which will be a source of distraction critical for reaction time. Wear safety boots (flip-flops is a no no because as humans we tend to get our foot involved), wear gloves simply because if your hand or finger get stuck you will have some options - never stand within the collapse radius of the load (just add some more cable to the hoist handle, which in your case the buttons are in proximity maybe contact with the load with potential accidental activation) - for a large object like the one you are handling a third gripping point is needed instead o using your body. You could use a rope with some polley system or simply some heavy duty clamp with a rope for safety pivoting from a prudent distance. - for something doubling oand beyond your own body weight get another person to be watching you perform the operation
Nice video, just have to say it is about using a w I N c h not a w E N c h! A wench is a buxom serving maid! Happy if you make a video about that as well!
A wench to wench up the wench ! Got it. lol I've just bought one and wondered how to get this up to the roof level over my garage. I've had an elevator (dumb waiter) to lift "everything" into storage over my garage as there is a lot of room up there and i've added sheets of plywood. But these wenches are heavy, and my back isn't what it once was...
Cheap trick: cut the side of the winch to run the cable paralell to the ceiling and install several anchor points with rollers to lift stuff wherever you need. This way one winch can lift stuff as far as the cable reaches.
2 years later, how are the hoists? I'm thinking about taking on this project in the coming weeks, shopping brands. Of course want a quality product. Love the content 😊
I just picked one of these up. Where did you get the steel tubing to mount the hoist to? Trying to figure out what the weight rating is on those steel tubings.
I was thinking what if you just cut off the second remote and rewire to the first one, given that if you're only going to lift at the same height at all times, rather than wiggling between two remotes. Thanks for sharing this video, I was looking for something similar to this.
Nice video, and helpful. It was good to caution people not to buy a 12- or 24-volt ATV winch. I would expand that to say you don’t want any kind of WINCH for this application. Winches are not designed for lifting and can be DANGEROUS if used as such. A winch does not have the braking mechanism needed to prevent the load from dropping. For lifting, you want a HOIST. These terms are often used synonymously, but they are two different things.
very cool man.. you might want to consider some sort of movable bumper setup for when you're flipping the tables to avoid those slides! not sure if you already figured something out.
I assume you know it’s not the capacity of the winch but the capacity of the hardware attached to the winch? It all looked heavy duty so I hope you are safe.
I came by because I was going to someday, if I get a tiny house, is to hang a bed from the cieling to save space. Lower it to use as a bed, then raise it up when not in use. The trick is, is to pick the bed up by the corners evenly. I don't expect a answer how, but thats what I'm thinking about.
I mounted mine several years ago on a heavy duty barn door tracks and the dollies lets me move the winch several feet. They support very heavy doors and the 10 foot lengths can be butted to make a very long track. Also when turning something over, you need to hold the lower side - like to a eyelet in the ceiling. Save a change of clothes too.
This probably has been posted in the comments already but I would wire one of the controllers to "sync" both hoists. This would allow you to activate both hoists with one controller or use them separately.
@@BlacktailStudio be hard to do unless you perfectly sync the limit switches inside the hoist. What would be ideal is to use one hoist on a mono-beam and a dedicated spreader bar.
I have a similar setup in my garage using a dual hoist system, (I’m using chain hoists with slower lifting speed, more predictable) not sure what steps you’ve taken since this video but have you considered merging the two pendants into one and raising the red block limit switch actuator on the hoist mounted higher so both hoist hooks stop at the same level? I am using a master pendant system with a toggle switch (A, B, A+B) then I hooked up the pendant to a tool self retraction system so I (or a car) don’t bump into it and it doesn’t get damaged when not in use, a small fiber cord on the bottom of it to pull it down and a carabiner to release it from the retractor if I need the full length of the cord if I’m laying on the floor for example.
Did you think about putting the hoist on a rolling track? Like the one that works with 1 5/8" Unistrut. I'm thinking of putting that hoist in my shop but I need it to move from one end of my shop to the other in order to make it functional for me. I'm wondering if that style hoist is suitable for that...
Watch the big rig tow trucks. They do the same thing but with giant loaded trailers. I think all you need is two more safety straps for the bottom edge of the table top, instead of trying to balance the edge on something like that styrofoam.
i know this vid is old but wireless remote would help you so much...get a 4 channel wireless and can set it up for 1 remote and control both. If you look into it im sure you can get a remote that will power both at the same time if you wanted or just getto wire up a 6 channel having 5 and 6 be both winches.
I just bough a smaller version of this to store my jeep hardtop at the top of my garage in the summer, would I need to add extra security to leave it for months at a time? I know it's never safe to be underneath something suspended in the air. I was thinking maybe a backup cable lag bolted to the ceiling to go through the straps as well
How did you decide on how many 3/8 lags to install? I'm going into a 2x4 sheetrocked ceiling joist. 4' unistrut and 300 lbs max. with your style winch. Hoisting my 4x4 snow/summer tires with wheels at almost 100 lbs each. I stack them in the corner of the shop. I have a dually so 6 tires. Can I get away with NOT sandwiching that 2x4? Any and all direction for info is greatly appreciated.
Besides lift and lower, did you look at any systems that could move heavy pieces across the shop? I was starting to think about a winch/wench...ur uh...lifty thingy... in the past few days after working with my very first slab and then today I saw the reference to this link in your shop tour--love the timing! And congrats on your new shop!!
I am looking at getting a winch for this exact purpose. I only make farmhouse tables so much lighter. have you tried flipping a table top with just one winch? Thinking it can be done. Maybe I should get straps for both ends then just use the winch in the middle. Thoughts?
I use the same wench in my shop only downside to them it the metal ring the cable runs thru will sometimes sticks and that will make the winch stop and you will have to take the tension off of it before you can get it to go up or down
From an old iron worker. Always stay over your load. Love your tables. Keep it up. TKS.
I had all the parts, so I thought. But that bar to mount on the beam, I had to watch this again to find what I needed, and then was able to complete my project today. There were about three key you tube videos that helped me, this was the one that got me over the finish line. thank you
Wench brings beers in medieval times. A WINCH is what you hung in the video… you’re still the best UA-camr out there 🤘🏼😜
As soon as I saw you lifting heavy stuff in your shop I thought of some sort of overhead hoist. Great to see that you're not going to be laying underneath a heavy table now!
Thanks for posting that simple oversight. I have a feeling that most would not. It’s nice to see a situation and have a better understanding from someone else’s trials. Most importantly you showed what you did correctly. Your proper harness setup saved you from crushed piggies.
Thanks Nuna!
good job, & thanks for showing the "Fail", so others can learn from yor project.
On my 3000 sq ft commercial shop I use the 440 LB HF winches to raise and lower my 16' X 12" Shop doors. The doors are counter balanced with the door spring to about 100 lbs so the winches will lower without having to pull on their ropes unless raised all the way up. Since these doors are opened to different heights for different jobs coming into the shop, these work great as I have to stand there and run the switch to make it go up or down. And I have the garage door tracks marked off for different heights so I will raise it up enough for certain vehicles (Rock Crawler or RV ect) to clear. Love them. I mounted my winches on the shops 8' peremeter railing and ran the cable up, then used the supplied pully to turn the cable down from the top of the door railing and just hooked it to the doors bottom roller bracket. I use them single line, otherwise the door would raise too slow, and be a pain to wait on. Single line is about the same speed as a normal commercial garage door opener. I have several more bigger HF winches mounted on "I" beams with roller trolly carriages to help move material and engines around in the shop. In 14 years I've only replaced 2. And they were both damaged by a lightning stike. I have overhead storage above my machine shop and the HF winch on the trolly is used to store my engine, transmissions & rearend cores up there.
That’s pretty trick!
Hey Cam,
The thing missing is how to remain safe when lifting...anything..any way. They taught me in safety school that you never position yourself below a lifted object, no matter how heavy.
Please be careful. I don’t want to lose my latest binge just as I’m getting caught up. Love the work. I especially like the “how to/not to” videos.
NTITAI: You’re one of the few woodworkers I’ve run across that actually works for a living and films it. Good job!
no matter how light...
I used the same hoist you used. I used tracks and rollers for pole barn doors. 2 tracks 6 feet apart run 12 feet wide mounted to all ceiling trusses. I made a 18"x 6' trolley that hangs below with the pole barn door rollers so the trolley moves side to side 12 feet. The trolley has another section of the door track and the hoist is suspended with 2 of the door rollers so it rolls front to back on the trolley. The rollers are rated about 1200 pounds each so they are stronger than the hoist. You could make a 6 foot trolley that would go as far side to side as you want by hanging more tracks. I put it in for pulling the engine and transmission from a old MG Midget. worked great. Rollers run smooth and are nowhere near the rated weights.
Great idea to use tracks and rollers for barn doors. I just need to lift a couple hundred pounds, but multiple times by one person, so this is the solution I need. Front to back and left to right. Though mine will be outside, so I will use a 12 volt winch made for trucks. Thanks!
Others said it already, most important part of the Vajayo is how things can go very wrong! I am so glad you showed that part !!!! Going to again look up rigging tips. Note: if something says not for overhead lifting it is often not because it is not strong enough to lift the load but how it fails will often be catastophic (sp)? bad and dangerous. I am not the safety police type but it helps when you understand how things might go bad or why you shouldn't do something and if you are going to do it anyway understand the potential danger(s) Nice Vajayo!
Just a word of thanks for sharing this. I have a 12' x 4.5' model railroad layout that takes up a lot of area in our finished basement. This is one of the best solutions I've seen, and will use it. Again, thanks.
Awesome!
Being a welder building tons of stainless projects. I do the same type of flipping on the table
All the time!! I’ve figured out if I put a few clamps on the end of the table, it will keep it from sliding off and let’s you let it down real easy! Just watch when you do that, depending on your setup, you may end up side-pulling on your wench/chain/strap. Just make sure you’re prepared for that just to be safe
Good call!
I installed two of these, one for my trailer and one for my kayak.. I am 72 yrs old storing them on the ceiling of my garage saved me from putting them in storage..
Very timely find for me, I am currently I installing a lift to utilize some attic storage space above my garage wood shop. The struts were the solution to attaching my lift.
(the lifts all look exactly the same from harbor freight and amazon). I just have to align it to fit into my opening.
I enjoy your videos.
Thanks Robert!
We used zip ties to hold the winch while bolting it. Helped quite a bit!
I would go back to adding two more lags to the support as in 1/2” x 6”or more into the joists overhead. I don’t know what’s up, but adding longer works better. Thanks again for your work.
Thx for this video! I used all of your recommendations including the same model of winch/hoist, the type of screws, bolts and the Track that mounts to the ceiling as well. I am using this set up as a lift to raise and lower my hardtop on my Jeep Wrangler. I am very pleased with the install.
Oh awesome!
Gave the winch and the mount a good test, there was a tremendous amount of force when it dropped. I spent 5-6 years working with structural steel, luckily no major incidents and we always went home alive.
Definitely a sporty test
Easy to open up both control boxes, at the winch, and add some jumper wires, with an extra switch in the middle, and get them to work together from one control or separately by opening the switch in the middle of the jumper wires.
As for the Fail, that was the true test. That what I needed to know on those hoists. I see that it held up great. My dad gave me one and I am eerie on Harbor Freight items. I know that their tools have come a long way. Even though that says Partsman, they are made by the same company and just put a name to it. I am planing to use it to build me a garage elevator lift to help store items in the garage.
Sounds awesome!
I am thinking of building a Barndominium and you gave me an idea to use one of these to lift stuff to the attic area without having to carry it up an attic ladder. Now I just need to think of what other kinds of life threatening heavy lifting I can do to augment my retirement years.
We all have brown trouser moments now and again lol. It's how we learn. Keep it up mate
Thanks!
You can create a tell tail by hanging a string from the ceiling with nut or ? on the end to just above the floor if the nut is touching the floor while lifting something heavy than maybe the ceiling is deflecting too much ? also look for cracks in the drywall.
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Going to use info from this for my Jeep Hardtop garage hoist! Glad I found it, thank you!
The pick point is were your panel is touching down. That means if your wench doesn't move then the table has to center its self under the wench when lifting . If the wench could move it would travel over to the point that is still touching down . Kind of like a plumb bob. And like some folks have said stay out from under the load, that includes the wench.
Just a thought, if you screw a 2x4 to one side of your table it will keep the slab from sliding off one end while you let it down. You might also consider putting both of your winches on one controller... maybe even wireless... Sweet video though! thank you for all of the info!
Great video and nice table. I got a simulator winch, and mounted the same way. Great tool for my shop.
Those heavy duty green dumpster bags are great for working with slab tables. The yellow straps and attachment points are strong and creates a lift bag for your work, a workbench cover (folded down = workbench dust skirt), a great epoxy dropcloth, and a protective cover for transport.
$30 from any box hardware store and can be used for a bunch of projects.... I cut one (2) up to make a rag top camper/toy hauler for my 10' open trailer
I've had that same winch for 2 years. Never could figure out how to install it. Watched your video and saw that the winch is supposed to come with 2 brackets that hold it onto the track.......and what did I find today while moving boxes around....2 brackets. So, this weekend, I'll try to install the winch in the garage. I have one 14 ft. laminated beam in the middle of the garage. It's made up of 3 2x12 boards fastened (maybe glued) together. Should be strong enough (I hope). This winch is pretty heavy just by itself............Never would have gotten this far if I had not seen your video. Thanks
That’s so good
I'm doing a similar set up for my bronco top remover.
i used my milwaukee 18v batteries and a 10k winch for a truck and made a cordless overhead crane with the battery mounted to the wall of my shop. i originally set it up for portable easy to set up winch for setting prebuilt stairs and large over head beams
Just recently came across your channel, liking the work. I started with some of the newer videos, and couldn’t help but think how bad I wished YOU had a gantry crane or a jib crane in your shop, but it looks like this is your old place. Hope you have plans for somethin in the new spot. Many even a trailer with winch to help transport
Identical to the one at Harbor Freight. Same price, too. I've had mine for 10 years, still works great.
I'm getting a similar setup for my garage. Its almost the same as yours, but I'm having a track built like you see in fab-shops. I'll be able to move the load anywhere. I got into bad accident on the job (Heavy Industrial) so I can't lift anything anymore. I can't get anything out of the bed of my truck. This should give me some of my independence back. Thanks for the video.
Did you take any pics or details down? I'm thinking of something similar.
i have a lift the same company i use it to raise my mowers you should go up in your attic and put some 2 x 8 boards on the rafters and screw or bolt them will keep them a lot stronger helps protect drywall from splitting .
Spreader bar with a center lift point and shorter slings from each end would be a great idea for heavy items
Good call!
That’s awesome, I have the same hoist and I want to use one to lift my John boat up to the ceiling
Im not sure if its already been suggested here, but you could consider putting it through a movable pulley and then securing the original hook back onto the secure beam. You would also get finer control with your up/down movements as it seems to move fairly fast.
Ya, that would be super helpful
I cane down to say the same thing. It's a shame our species hadn't worked out a contrivance to easily gain mechanical advantage yet. I don't even know what we'd CALL such a simple machine that would allow one to tackle the problem of hoisting a heavy block of something overhead, maybe just by pulleying on a rope or chain, if only for long enough to lever it into place.
Maybe try to add a removable lip to your bench to catch the slab . Just a thought . love your work. and look forward to your next video.
I really appreciate this video because I had just cooked up the same idea for lifting a fifth wheel hitch out of my truck. The first time I did it by hand taught me that I'm lucky I didn't get hurt (180lbs, ouch). I bought a really similar Amazon electric hoist, and I was wondering about using unistrut for the mounting bar. Thank you very much!
Nice! Got my unistrut from Home Depot
@@BlacktailStudio In doing a little more research, I discovered they make trolleys that roll inside the unistrut, so I can move the hoist around on a track. Super cool. Thanks again for taking the time to make this video, it has set me on the right path!
That’s why I’m at this video…5th Wheel hitch.
My heart dropped when that slab fell off the table. Moments like that remind u why u have to be extra careful.
Imagine my heart when it dropped
@@BlacktailStudio One word. terrifying lol
Glad you're safe. That looked like an oh 💩 moment.
With those kinds of builds, need a semi-vertical rack in the back of the truck like they use for panes of glass, so it should be easier to load and to remove at the customer's location.
Good call
Definitely would recommend beefing up the ceiling joists that are affected by the weight of whatever the hoists are lifting. Many houses are constructed using roof trusses and the bottom chord (equals ceiling joist on stick-built home) are usually made of 2x4s rather than 2x8 or 2x10s. But I'd reinforce whatever is up there.
Good call!
Better too strong than not strong enough.
Love the humor! Great video. Thks
I have one of these. Used it for my Jeeps hardtop. Sold the Jeep, kept this though. Planned to use it in my shop for other things. Great minds think alike I guess.
That’s awesome! Could have used it for my scout
Nice work, go beavs!
this was a great video. answered all my questions. getting one of these for barn to lift hay bales to loft
Oh perfect!
You can also make two jigs that clamp to the ends of the slab that will rotate . Kinda of like a car rotisserie . That way no need for straps , pulling ... pushing etc. only it’s supported of the hooks not to a base frame like a car rotisserie .
Good idea!
One small detail.
Loose the "quicklink" in your connection from hook to strap. Get a proper "pear" ring. "Quicklinks" are generally not rated and can easily deform underload and not show signs of failure>
This from a professional entertainment rigger. Defying gravity is our stock in trade. :-)
Simple build, I dig it
Thanks for sharing! But, my two cents about handling overhead loads if I may:
- wear proper protective equipment. A hard safety hat is mandatory as any pre-catastrophyc failure will drop debris first which will be a source of distraction critical for reaction time. Wear safety boots (flip-flops is a no no because as humans we tend to get our foot involved), wear gloves simply because if your hand or finger get stuck you will have some options
- never stand within the collapse radius of the load (just add some more cable to the hoist handle, which in your case the buttons are in proximity maybe contact with the load with potential accidental activation)
- for a large object like the one you are handling a third gripping point is needed instead o using your body. You could use a rope with some polley system or simply some heavy duty clamp with a rope for safety pivoting from a prudent distance.
- for something doubling oand beyond your own body weight get another person to be watching you perform the operation
Thank you for posting this, we can learn by seeing how things like this can happen and gain better understanding of how things work, or don't.
Seeing the riddled roof, I smiled
I'm so glad i find this channel!
It's very inspiring and helpful to me.
Keep it up and thank you!
Thanks Istvan!
Nice video, just have to say it is about using a w I N c h not a w E N c h! A wench is a buxom serving maid! Happy if you make a video about that as well!
great job not dying! lol looks like an awesome setup
A wench to wench up the wench ! Got it. lol I've just bought one and wondered how to get this up to the roof level over my garage. I've had an elevator (dumb waiter) to lift "everything" into storage over my garage as there is a lot of room up there and i've added sheets of plywood. But these wenches are heavy, and my back isn't what it once was...
Cheap trick: cut the side of the winch to run the cable paralell to the ceiling and install several anchor points with rollers to lift stuff wherever you need.
This way one winch can lift stuff as far as the cable reaches.
In any lifting application I would worry about using lag screws into wood instead of through-bolting.
2 years later, how are the hoists? I'm thinking about taking on this project in the coming weeks, shopping brands. Of course want a quality product.
Love the content 😊
I just picked one of these up. Where did you get the steel tubing to mount the hoist to? Trying to figure out what the weight rating is on those steel tubings.
Should be a link in the description
@@BlacktailStudio I see it now, any idea how much weight that stuff can hold?
I was thinking what if you just cut off the second remote and rewire to the first one, given that if you're only going to lift at the same height at all times, rather than wiggling between two remotes. Thanks for sharing this video, I was looking for something similar to this.
Nice video, and helpful. It was good to caution people not to buy a 12- or 24-volt ATV winch. I would expand that to say you don’t want any kind of WINCH for this application. Winches are not designed for lifting and can be DANGEROUS if used as such. A winch does not have the braking mechanism needed to prevent the load from dropping. For lifting, you want a HOIST. These terms are often used synonymously, but they are two different things.
very cool man.. you might want to consider some sort of movable bumper setup for when you're flipping the tables to avoid those slides! not sure if you already figured something out.
Love the content of your videos. I seem to learn something new most of the time. Keeps me coming back for more. Thanks for sharing!!
That’s what I hope to hear!
good idea, thinking of putting the winch on a track so I can move it across the garage back and forth....
That would be ideal
Would love to see various builds with a track spanning a resi garage.
I have the same one I love it so handy to have
I assume you know it’s not the capacity of the winch but the capacity of the hardware attached to the winch? It all looked heavy duty so I hope you are safe.
I came by because I was going to someday, if I get a tiny house, is to hang a bed from the cieling to save space. Lower it to use as a bed, then raise it up when not in use. The trick is, is to pick the bed up by the corners evenly.
I don't expect a answer how, but thats what I'm thinking about.
The 120V versions are fast and jerky. If you use a snatch block it will 1/2 the speed and give more control.
I mounted mine several years ago on a heavy duty barn door tracks and the dollies lets me move the winch several feet. They support very heavy doors and the 10 foot lengths can be butted to make a very long track. Also when turning something over, you need to hold the lower side - like to a eyelet in the ceiling. Save a change of clothes too.
Great idea!
“quick change of clothes” lol... great video
This probably has been posted in the comments already but I would wire one of the controllers to "sync" both hoists. This would allow you to activate both hoists with one controller or use them separately.
Good idea!
@@BlacktailStudio be hard to do unless you perfectly sync the limit switches inside the hoist. What would be ideal is to use one hoist on a mono-beam and a dedicated spreader bar.
I would have liked to see you use one winch and two cables to make raising both ends equally easier.
Fair enough!
I always wanted my own wench! 😆
You can wire both to one controller. Set the initial height and you have even up and down with one button
Would be smart
I was curious about that!!
"I needed a winch to winch up my winch" - Nice.
When rating on Amazon you should link your video in it is pretty good and would help buyers NOT make similar lift errors.
Oh good call!
So how much weight will a Single Ceiling Rafter (2x4) actually be able to safely hold??
I have a similar setup in my garage using a dual hoist system, (I’m using chain hoists with slower lifting speed, more predictable) not sure what steps you’ve taken since this video but have you considered merging the two pendants into one and raising the red block limit switch actuator on the hoist mounted higher so both hoist hooks stop at the same level? I am using a master pendant system with a toggle switch (A, B, A+B) then I hooked up the pendant to a tool self retraction system so I (or a car) don’t bump into it and it doesn’t get damaged when not in use, a small fiber cord on the bottom of it to pull it down and a carabiner to release it from the retractor if I need the full length of the cord if I’m laying on the floor for example.
I haven’t put them up in my new place yet. Good tips though!!
Did you think about putting the hoist on a rolling track? Like the one that works with 1 5/8" Unistrut. I'm thinking of putting that hoist in my shop but I need it to move from one end of my shop to the other in order to make it functional for me. I'm wondering if that style hoist is suitable for that...
Really like all your videos! Great work!
Thanks Pahjo!!
Watch the big rig tow trucks. They do the same thing but with giant loaded trailers. I think all you need is two more safety straps for the bottom edge of the table top, instead of trying to balance the edge on something like that styrofoam.
That wasnt a huge fail. Thank goodness!
i know this vid is old but wireless remote would help you so much...get a 4 channel wireless and can set it up for 1 remote and control both. If you look into it im sure you can get a remote that will power both at the same time if you wanted or just getto wire up a 6 channel having 5 and 6 be both winches.
I just bough a smaller version of this to store my jeep hardtop at the top of my garage in the summer, would I need to add extra security to leave it for months at a time? I know it's never safe to be underneath something suspended in the air. I was thinking maybe a backup cable lag bolted to the ceiling to go through the straps as well
How did you decide on how many 3/8 lags to install? I'm going into a 2x4 sheetrocked ceiling joist. 4' unistrut and 300 lbs max. with your style winch. Hoisting my 4x4 snow/summer tires with wheels at almost 100 lbs each. I stack them in the corner of the shop. I have a dually so 6 tires. Can I get away with NOT sandwiching that 2x4? Any and all direction for info is greatly appreciated.
Did you reinforce the joists in the attic? How much weight can you put across those 5 joists without reinforcing the them from the attic?
Excellent !
Besides lift and lower, did you look at any systems that could move heavy pieces across the shop? I was starting to think about a winch/wench...ur uh...lifty thingy... in the past few days after working with my very first slab and then today I saw the reference to this link in your shop tour--love the timing! And congrats on your new shop!!
There is a trolly system out there for unistrut
That was pretty funny 😄
Great idea, but did you buy some wInches, or wEnches??
If you get enough wenches they can help you lift shit, and you won’t need winches.
Now I've seen how you've done it will make one and show you how I would go about it
Excellent
How much po yan?
I am looking at getting a winch for this exact purpose. I only make farmhouse tables so much lighter. have you tried flipping a table top with just one winch? Thinking it can be done. Maybe I should get straps for both ends then just use the winch in the middle. Thoughts?
I’ve seen people do it with one
You can buy rolling trolleys that go inside the unistrut .
Ya, super cool
I use the same wench in my shop only downside to them it the metal ring the cable runs thru will sometimes sticks and that will make the winch stop and you will have to take the tension off of it before you can get it to go up or down
Oh, haven’t had that happen yet. Thanks for the heads up
@@BlacktailStudio no problem because the 1st time it happened to me didnt know what had happened but it's a safety thing
He's hoisting that massive gear with flip flops on.
This is an interesting way to narrate a video. But I like it.
Thank you for this install video. Definitely helped me with my install questions.
Thanks lance!
Awesome video, keep up the good work!
Thanks Javi!