You've probably never heard of toda, much less the VTEC killer cam system. These types of projects require tons of tuning to get right. Just because he's shifting conservatively, doesn't mean that the car is slow.
toda vtec killers were made for a smoother running engine on race cars (no vtec crossover during a corner exit or other funny torque jumping moments) lighter rotating mass (less valvetrain components) and less cam weight.
@NissanTy they are high lift extreme racing cams and they run of the large vtec cam lobes at all times. The cams come with a kit that includes the cams and new internals for the head they aint cheap to purchase let alone running for a daily the idle with out tune will keep dying. like 1500 dollars just to buy the kit.
@DR1FT4H0L1C Well I assume they would be set at different degrees due to the pistons firing at different times. AND obviously intake and exhaust came will NOT be the same, but a far as having the same length of duration and lift on each cylinder I would say yes, same cam profile on the lobes (yet different per intake and exhaust)..Again i'm not SAE certified. Please correct if I'm wrong.
@MrButterneo it doesn`t eliminate vtec,it makes vtec be on all time..it would be equivalent to running an LS head with VERY agressive cams no VTEC engagement... basicly high lobes 100% of the time
with exception to the K20A i dont understand what all the hubub is about, cams like this (high duration-highlift) promote a very small powerbank, pushing peak power and torque further up the rev range. I see this as an ideal situation for race cars, in limited class where high displacement and no forced induction rules apply. Just my 2c
They are made for serious racing, and if your car is road registered then you aren't serious enough to warrant the reduction in valve-train weight. Sounds nice though.
@TwoStrokePower653 With my Toda VTEC killer set up I used a unmodified harness and an unaltered B16B Power FC, car never gave any faults and it idled fine on the base map after I set the mechanical idle on the throttle bodies. Also, I admit this video is old but 7k RPM is just getting into the power band... Car should have about 4k more RPM's to go before the power starts to die off....
@georgiku The large Toda VTEC cams kind of ruin the point of VTEC since they (the low duration lobe) have large duration lobes themselves. Obviously with the single duration VTEC killer cams there will be a drop in power in the lower RPM's but you won't notice it as your RPM's will increase extremely fast. My latest video is my Civic with a B16A, Toda 1800cc stroker kit , VTEC Killer cams and a 4.929 final drive. Please watch it to get a feel for how fast the engine revs with these cams.
@nwongvs4 You're hearing the cams get into their power band. Toda VTEC killers sound nasty at all RPM's but they'll scream at 5500 and beyond. I'm not a mechanical engineer but I imagine the reason behind the sound change has to do with atmospheric pressure, vacuum and load and a math formula to explain it all
the vtec produced a good torque curve(if u can say hondas have much tourque) by there being an etra set of cam lobes and a gear engageing these onto the followers at a certin speed which lifted the vales for a longer duration giving better gas flow and a peek power curve, if the whole rpm is the power curve why does honda gearing drop 2 - 2500 every gear change, perfect to stay on the vtec power curve. vtec its self outstanding egineering, done a head gasket on my b16 crx years ago
@TwoStrokePower653 Ecu must be modified, mapping is not gonna be fine if you dont do this! Car wont idle... so you MUST desable vtec engagement into the ecu first and tune the car :)
thoses spoon clusters cost over 1000 buck, and spoon dont make them any more so the only way to get them is from a private owner, thats why they cost so much
its not always high rpm means more speed the way the cams are set up is for lower rpm. so you maybe makin the most hp at 6k and past that your not makin as much so you shift at that you kinda get what i mean idk how really to explane it
Left3332rot, these cams cost less than $1000, and they dont use vtec, it is eliminated, look it up, the vtec solenoid comes off, without vtec the engine oil lubes more block parts than the head making it last longer, but yes it needs to be tuned instantly when these cams are out in, also I recommend ITB's
@mustangrules its good for a car with stock cams or slightly upgraded but a big set of cams already has bigger lobes vtec becomes pointless vtec is meant to keep a car economical not powerful those are some big cams thats why toda became big and people use vtec heads because they start out with a better flowing head than the non-vtec heads
@saisayasith yeah lets line those up with evos and sti's bet they'll "pull a premium" im thinking more along the lines of making the mugen si awd and turbo
YamahaGrc20, here is the catch when it comes to cost, the cams are under $700, but then you have to use their headgasket, plugs, spacers, cams, valves and more adding up to $2000 easy, I guess its better just to put the money towards a k20a instead
By the looks of him pressing maybe a quarter of the throttle and the needle going up like that, no doubt in my mind this car is pretty quick if it was on full throttle
Here soon I'll have a 92 Toyota Mr2 at my disposal, NA with a 2.0 liter engine that's supposed to be turbo'd, but the guy bought the non turbo engine for the purpose of lower insurance. It has the 2.2 head, which for now Idk what that's going to mean for modifying the engine, but it'll be a damn fine car when I'm through with it. Also, VEEEE TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC xD
@biggdaddy2001 boy listen... its cruising around. a bit of vtec. the engine will freak out at higher rpms. and it will freak out like theres no tomorrow.
LMAO! THANK YOU! Argument done with that guy. OMG! WHY would he ever try to correct me if I wasn't wrong?! Wow that was a first. Thank you man. I don't understand ppl on youtube. Things are really simple. And I just have imput on it, but then ppl try to make it more complex than it is and make a fool out of themselves. Amazes me every time.
Pull is a bit weak however, a stock b18 non vtec does better. Perhaps the tune is incorrect or the motor is tired? I'm pretty sure you figured it out by now in 2021.
@EnjukuRacing70 thats a spoon sports cluster...along wit tha 11k redline it has a higher k/hr! they hard to find and EXPENSIVE!!! theyer discontinued and go for around $1000
Yes it basically makes it always vtec in the sense that its a constant aggressive cam profile, honestly though this cam is pointless without 13+ to 1 compression ratio
i have a question now im thinkn b20 v in my hatch later on maybe todas..but i heard that todas disable the vtec so i mean i love vtec but was the truth behind these cams
Wow that sounded so mean!!! If you are the owner of that car, you are a rich kid=spoon cluster. How much did you pay for that??? I want it. Props for everything.
@koopatroopa187 so actually i can use it for dealy daily. Doe you nou wich cams are the best of todas wich vtec mode ? is it the one of toda C2 camshafts? i still want to use vtec but also want have some brutte power and no one have some experience wich todas cams in Holland thats why i asking you bro . thnx
@DR1FT4H0L1C I'm just learning about this myself , but yea taking out the low profile cam lobes and running on only highly aggressive cam lobes (more so then stock Vtec lobes, with the killer cams (I believe)). This would be like running in constant Vtec, hints the shit idle..Again i'm not SAE certified.
@mustangrules vtec is the middle lobe of your cam the lobes open the valves when vtec engages it locks the the pieces opening your valves essentially giving you a bigger cam so if you upgrade your cams to that point vtec is worthless was made to give the car good mpg and still have power to pass which is why it is rpm controlled not for huge horsepower gains
160 vti for exaple has 160 on vtec zone, but normally before 5.5 rpm (dunno know exactly when it kicks in) u have 60-90 ps engine, ECONOMY! Honda is the most forward thinking car company in the world QUOTE JEREMY CLARKSON @ Top Gear
LOL @ everyone who thinks this is slow, check the rpm's before you speak, he isn't redlining it in fact it seems like he isnt even getting on it all the way
You've probably never heard of toda, much less the VTEC killer cam system. These types of projects require tons of tuning to get right. Just because he's shifting conservatively, doesn't mean that the car is slow.
Sounds nice love the spoon cluster
damn, i love that gauge cluster.
@KFenter only the sohc engines are actuated by oil pressure alone, the dohc ones are computer controlled
toda vtec killers were made for a smoother running engine on race cars (no vtec crossover during a corner exit or other funny torque jumping moments) lighter rotating mass (less valvetrain components) and less cam weight.
thats why when u build a honda motor to turbo it with 35+ PSI, v-tech doesnt matter anymore, but ur smart! if you dont belive me look it up.
Yes you do, its just always on an aggressive cam profile
@NissanTy they are high lift extreme racing cams and they run of the large vtec cam lobes at all times. The cams come with a kit that includes the cams and new internals for the head they aint cheap to purchase let alone running for a daily the idle with out tune will keep dying. like 1500 dollars just to buy the kit.
@DR1FT4H0L1C Well I assume they would be set at different degrees due to the pistons firing at different times. AND obviously intake and exhaust came will NOT be the same, but a far as having the same length of duration and lift on each cylinder I would say yes, same cam profile on the lobes (yet different per intake and exhaust)..Again i'm not SAE certified. Please correct if I'm wrong.
@MrButterneo it doesn`t eliminate vtec,it makes vtec be on all time..it would be equivalent to running an LS head with VERY agressive cams no VTEC engagement... basicly high lobes 100% of the time
@JDM97civic Yeah with Toda Vtec Killers the car idles VERY Rough.
That brought a smile to my face.
Did you get wheel skip out of first?
with exception to the K20A i dont understand what all the hubub is about, cams like this (high duration-highlift) promote a very small powerbank, pushing peak power and torque further up the rev range. I see this as an ideal situation for race cars, in limited class where high displacement and no forced induction rules apply. Just my 2c
They are made for serious racing, and if your car is road registered then you aren't serious enough to warrant the reduction in valve-train weight. Sounds nice though.
idk wut it is about this sound but i love it
he just floored it.. if there was vtec the sound would make a big diff
@marespand Only makes power like 6k and up......prolly wasnt revving all it had...but it did looks normal
@TwoStrokePower653
With my Toda VTEC killer set up I used a unmodified harness and an unaltered B16B Power FC, car never gave any faults and it idled fine on the base map after I set the mechanical idle on the throttle bodies.
Also, I admit this video is old but 7k RPM is just getting into the power band... Car should have about 4k more RPM's to go before the power starts to die off....
@georgiku
The large Toda VTEC cams kind of ruin the point of VTEC since they (the low duration lobe) have large duration lobes themselves.
Obviously with the single duration VTEC killer cams there will be a drop in power in the lower RPM's but you won't notice it as your RPM's will increase extremely fast.
My latest video is my Civic with a B16A, Toda 1800cc stroker kit , VTEC Killer cams and a 4.929 final drive. Please watch it to get a feel for how fast the engine revs with these cams.
@nwongvs4
You're hearing the cams get into their power band. Toda VTEC killers sound nasty at all RPM's but they'll scream at 5500 and beyond. I'm not a mechanical engineer but I imagine the reason behind the sound change has to do with atmospheric pressure, vacuum and load and a math formula to explain it all
the vtec produced a good torque curve(if u can say hondas have much tourque) by there being an etra set of cam lobes and a gear engageing these onto the followers at a certin speed which lifted the vales for a longer duration giving better gas flow and a peek power curve, if the whole rpm is the power curve why does honda gearing drop 2 - 2500 every gear change, perfect to stay on the vtec power curve. vtec its self outstanding egineering, done a head gasket on my b16 crx years ago
That is the loudest valvetrain noise i've ever heard.
AWESOME :D
@TwoStrokePower653 Ecu must be modified, mapping is not gonna be fine if you dont do this! Car wont idle... so you MUST desable vtec engagement into the ecu first and tune the car :)
thoses spoon clusters cost over 1000 buck, and spoon dont make them any more so the only way to get them is from a private owner, thats why they cost so much
its not always high rpm means more speed the way the cams are set up is for lower rpm. so you maybe makin the most hp at 6k and past that your not makin as much so you shift at that you kinda get what i mean idk how really to explane it
damn this thing sounds pretty good, about time i hear a honda that doesn't sound like a fart.
@pepene93 Highly doubt that, but if it makes you feel better, you can think what you want.
Left3332rot, these cams cost less than $1000, and they dont use vtec, it is eliminated, look it up, the vtec solenoid comes off, without vtec the engine oil lubes more block parts than the head making it last longer, but yes it needs to be tuned instantly when these cams are out in, also I recommend ITB's
Is the car still under break in? 7000rpm is about 2000-2500rpm shy of the peak power of those cams. Sounds good, though. What car is it in?
That's why vtec was soo loud when he stomp on it. Gotta love Vtakkk..
Amazing sound, and that's one badass cluster.
Sounds beastly :) I love a cammed car, no matter what motor.
love dem toda cams! and those spoon cluster
@mustangrules its good for a car with stock cams or slightly upgraded but a big set of cams already has bigger lobes vtec becomes pointless vtec is meant to keep a car economical not powerful those are some big cams thats why toda became big and people use vtec heads because they start out with a better flowing head than the non-vtec heads
wow, thats some pretty good high end, must have high compression for a NA
@saisayasith yeah lets line those up with evos and sti's bet they'll "pull a premium" im thinking more along the lines of making the mugen si awd and turbo
thats the original motor he has in it.He NOW has a D16
excelent video put one more to hear the engine bay working and speed a litlle more.
YamahaGrc20, here is the catch when it comes to cost, the cams are under $700, but then you have to use their headgasket, plugs, spacers, cams, valves and more adding up to $2000 easy, I guess its better just to put the money towards a k20a instead
wrong, it would provide the high power throughout the gear instead of just the top.
seen a GSR run 11's with these and a turbo
Don't care what any of these haters say, than shit sounds SICK!!!
sorry for that! but read the comment! video was made during break-in period at only part throttle :P
@marespand he isnt showing off his cars speed but the vtec killers, so your comment has no relation to the video
It seems Like you are shifting before you get to the power, take it up a few more RPMS!
By the looks of him pressing maybe a quarter of the throttle and the needle going up like that, no doubt in my mind this car is pretty quick if it was on full throttle
It drops 2-2500 every gear change because thats when the engine creates the most power. Just like every other engine.
Here soon I'll have a 92 Toyota Mr2 at my disposal, NA with a 2.0 liter engine that's supposed to be turbo'd, but the guy bought the non turbo engine for the purpose of lower insurance. It has the 2.2 head, which for now Idk what that's going to mean for modifying the engine, but it'll be a damn fine car when I'm through with it.
Also, VEEEE TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC xD
hate the sound of 4cylinders but that sounds pretty good...pretty quick also
@biggdaddy2001 boy listen... its cruising around. a bit of vtec. the engine will freak out at higher rpms. and it will freak out like theres no tomorrow.
LMAO! THANK YOU! Argument done with that guy. OMG! WHY would he ever try to correct me if I wasn't wrong?! Wow that was a first. Thank you man. I don't understand ppl on youtube. Things are really simple. And I just have imput on it, but then ppl try to make it more complex than it is and make a fool out of themselves. Amazes me every time.
Pull is a bit weak however, a stock b18 non vtec does better. Perhaps the tune is incorrect or the motor is tired? I'm pretty sure you figured it out by now in 2021.
Lol it’s was only part throttle dude
jesus, its like a turbo kicking in with boost
spoon cluster..rare..
@EnjukuRacing70 thats a spoon sports cluster...along wit tha 11k redline it has a higher k/hr! they hard to find and EXPENSIVE!!! theyer discontinued and go for around $1000
Yes it basically makes it always vtec in the sense that its a constant aggressive cam profile, honestly though this cam is pointless without 13+ to 1 compression ratio
sounds amazing for a single cam and picks up !
Sounds nice how much power does the cam give?
@thecaseyfoster he wasnt reving it anywhere near hard enough
just wondering,,,what happens if u have aggressive cams(12.8/270@1mm)and low compression pistons(8.5's turbo pistons)??this is for a b18c..tnx
idk why all u guys hatin on ford but all ive ever owned is ford and had no problems at ALL with em.if u take good care of ur car it will last forever.
todas sound fucking amazing
I want that spoon cluster!
i have a question now im thinkn b20 v in my hatch later on maybe todas..but i heard that todas disable the vtec so i mean i love vtec but was the truth behind these cams
No i didn't haha. Powerbands are where engines are most efficient and start their progressive torque curve. Which is very low in a VTEC motor.
@xzachx2112
no he swaps them out for the weekend
some problems with your flow system, and less fuel ratio... tune up with bigger injectors.
that makes since now! :D its a beast. ill just keep replacing the V-Tec synoid lol.
@MrLeonX Nope, does your car have 450 hp? 470 lb ft of torque? That's what I thought.
is this the same civic that raced that stage 2 srt4 neon w/o toys?
Is this really Vtec killers? at 0:03 it sounds like vtec engaged... Vtec killer cams always have the vtec lobe working.. correct me if I'm wrong :)
For what I've heard this cams make the vtec stay ON the whole time.
SPOON cluster! f***ing nice!!!!
Wow that sounded so mean!!!
If you are the owner of that car, you are a rich kid=spoon cluster. How much did you pay for that??? I want it.
Props for everything.
@koopatroopa187
so actually i can use it for dealy daily.
Doe you nou wich cams are the best of todas wich vtec mode ? is it the one of toda C2 camshafts? i still want to use vtec but also want have some brutte power and no one have some experience wich todas cams in Holland thats why i asking you bro .
thnx
Any chance of a longer video there mcleod?
Sick Spoon tach!
@BF703 its called the RDX ever heard of it?
ya i was about to say, a honda accelerating faster than most sports and muscle cars, then i saw the speedo go up to like 240 and it hit me KMH
hey I have a quick question. Does VTEC Killer cams kill your vtec? Or what do they do. Just curious. thanks!
@DR1FT4H0L1C I'm just learning about this myself , but yea taking out the low profile cam lobes and running on only highly aggressive cam lobes (more so then stock Vtec lobes, with the killer cams (I believe)). This would be like running in constant Vtec, hints the shit idle..Again i'm not SAE certified.
That would've been a lot faster if he wasn't shifting slow. I don't know why that's so hard for these people to understand..
7500 rpms at half throttle. When's the last time you drove a car?
okay you have...a spoon cluster...also this is in seeded stage of the cams huh? nice sounding EK...
@mustangrules vtec is the middle lobe of your cam the lobes open the valves when vtec engages it locks the the pieces opening your valves essentially giving you a bigger cam so if you upgrade your cams to that point vtec is worthless was made to give the car good mpg and still have power to pass which is why it is rpm controlled not for huge horsepower gains
LOL at 1st gear, when vtec engage, seems like a turbo ON LOOLWTFFFF LOVE THAT xD
why not getting it for an everyday civic? i would
is that a genuine spoon cluster?
sounds mint!! what stage cams?
that spoon cluster must have cost a nut
@joescivic
obviously you couldn't get that hes not even punching it
yea it stays on the aggressive lobe all the time so vtec is always there :)
160 vti for exaple has 160 on vtec zone, but normally before 5.5 rpm (dunno know exactly when it kicks in)
u have 60-90 ps engine,
ECONOMY!
Honda is the most forward thinking car company in the world
QUOTE JEREMY CLARKSON @ Top Gear
do you know how hard is it to drive with one hand ?
you wish you could distill moonshine and play the washtub bass like i can
kan you ride slowely with killer cams on the road
LOL @ everyone who thinks this is slow, check the rpm's before you speak, he isn't redlining it in fact it seems like he isnt even getting on it all the way
@tom9665 hey its not shitty, killer cams, makes the engine sounds like a popcorn maker
do almost all stock cars make 100hp or more per liter?
yo thats how my crower cams are. where they hard to tune?
thanks. i was wondering if anybody was gonna tell 'em ;)