Is This REALLY a Budget Friendly Mountain Bike?
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- In this video I will be testing out the new mongoose switchback expert mountain bike at betasso preserve in boulder Colorado.
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Matt you should do an upgrade series of videos on the Mongoose and make it "Building the Ultimate Mongoose" then go test it on some really difficult trails for hardtails there's another video (Difficult Trails for Hardtails" lol. Those would be cool videos. You do great stuff bro keep it up.
Well since he don't do the work himself it would be very very expensive to do that because he has to take it to the Trek store😊❤ I'm not saying nothing bad I love his videos I'm just saying you have to learn somewhere
@@No_ReGretzky99 Perfect Opportunity for him to learn. Its not difficult.
@@chrisjones7281 There's certainly a few of us local to him that would teach him how to work on his bikes. It could be a time issue with him too, even the volume of videos he puts out is like having a second job to record and edit and I'm pretty sure he also has a day job as well.
Matty has done a "hardtail on hard trail" before, he took his Roscoe out to Left Hand and took it on Indiana Jones which is a double black. He also took one of his Marlins out to Dakota Ridge.
If you're an 80's kid like me, you might also remember GT/Dyno, Haro, Redline, Kuwahara, Skyway (and their mags), Hutch, CW, and Torker. Not mountain bikes, but as kids we jumped our bikes by stacking bricks and cinder blocks and dropping a sheet of plywood to make a ramp. This only prepared us for mountain biking as we got older. Even some of the freestyle tricks like rock walks -- we do it now even on our mountain bikes. Wheelies became manuals. Who remembers hopping your front tire on a curb and dragging your back tire? Ha ha. I can't do that now with tires costing $100.
It's true what you said about Mongoose being one of the better brands back in the day. I'm restoring a 1997 Mongoose Rockadile I bought at a bike shop no longer in business. I still have the bike shop's sticker on seat tube (Bike Barn). I still prefer XT V-bakes over disc and the Marzocchi Bombers forks still work perfectly, so those will stay on the bike. I also rebuilt my Shimano 747 pedals - better than new. My brother-in-law, who also owned his own bike shop, gifted me 26" Salsa rims with XT hubs. So, the only things I'll be upgrading to are Spank handlebars and 60mm stem, a 1X10 drive train (either XT or SLX), and PWN external dropper post. I nicknamed my bike "Ol' Timer" and it's a nice compliment to my Rocky Mountain Inspire (nicknamed Big Bertha).
Hi Mat, thank you for your work, I really appreciate it. I am 45, so I remember Mongoose very well, they were one of my favorite brands. in 1998 I went for new HT and Mongoose IBOC series were among top 3. The another was Schwinn Moab1 and the winner was Scott comp racing. I love those years, Thomas Frischknett, John Tomac, Paola Pezzo... The way you present MTB is how I like it the most, enjoying ride, nature, sport, adventure, trails, exploring... and for that you do not need $8K carbon bike, cool tatoos and flowtrails. Back to roots :-)
That would be a nice upgrade frame. This is much better than the Mongoose that I use to know in the early 2000s.
Good review. The biggest thing that this bike has it going for is this frame. As you said, it's a solid frame that's upgradable in the future with the modern geometry and tapered head tube. I have a 2020 Mongoose Switchback Sport that I upgraded to a Microshift Acolyte drivetrain. It works very well.
These videos keep getting better, Matty!
The problem with the 1 and 2 more than anything is they are not boost, so wider tires won’t fit. The Switchback 3 is a much better base with much better (still entry) components. The problem is you’re in Roscoe 6 pricing territory and the new Roscoe 6 looks to be much better value.
Just looking at the frames, I would say Roscoe 6 if you want more aggressive and Switchback 3 if you’re more XC oriented. I wouldn’t look at the 1 or 2 for anything more than casual trail riding.
Mongoose still has some brand equity, so they can charge more than Walmart does for their Ozark Trail bikes, but you can't tell me that a set of off-brand hydro discs is worth $300 between this and the OT Ridge. $60-70 will get you a set of Shimano MT200s plus another $20-30 if you want a 180mm front rotor.
This bike makes sense at $599 retail and I'd expect to see Dicks's doing occassional sales down to $499. The lower spec Switchback Comp needs to be $100-150 less. When you can get a Canyon Grand Canyon 5 for $750 with a Deore 12 speed drivetrain, Shimano brakes, and a better fork (still coil, but lockout and rebound adjustment), $700 is gettin' 'Goosed!
The whole straight steerer vs tapered is also not something to worry much about. First, the average rider can't tell the difference in how they feel. Second, most straight head tubes are 44mm meaning you can swap in an EC44 lower headset to use a tapered steerer fork. If you are wanting to upgrade to an air fork, but keep your original QR front wheel, you are likely looking at a straight steerer fork anyway (unless you buy one of those awful ZTZ/Balony/Lutu/Himalo forks...please don't).
Mongoose and Dicks priced this too close to what you can get a nicer bike, so ot's a pretty hard sell. Also, keep in mind they list the full retail at $899 with the sale price of $699. That's nuttier than the brakes they put in these! They will likely have to sell these at full retail some of the time so they can legally advertise that $699 "sale" price.
Nice vid! Betasso as well! I love riding there. I was just over there the other day.
I love your videos but especially because I feel connected seeing you ride all of my favorite trails! I'd love to see a hall ranch vid soon! Keep up the great work!!!
You can put a tapered fork on the Marlin. I put one on my girlfriend’s bike. You just need to replace the ZS lower headset with an external headset cup. Wolf tooth makes one, cane creek makes one. In my case I used a Works Angle set to also slacken the head-tube angle a little. Slackening the head-tube angle also negated the increase in head-tube length. Then I laced up a 15mm thru axel front hub and the bike was great!
There should be a clutch or something on the derailer to reduce the chain slap a bit. I bought Marin Bobcat Trail 4 and had the same issue with the chain.
When i bought the bike i become addicted and i pretty much changed every single thing on the bike even tho it wasn't neccesary at all, it just made me happy. I still consider the bike as budget bike, but my upgrades doubled the price for sure which i dont think is healthy.
When it comes to fork, there are some decent air forks out there with quickrelease option such as Rockshox Judy, Suntour Epixon or even Raidon, but u'll most likely need adapter for it and some of them can be pricey.
Great vid Matty and have fun out there.
I use that same derailleur on my bike and don’t get that much chain slap. I suspect that either the Spring Lock (as they call it) was not engaged or the chain needs to lose a couple of links.
straight headtube can be modified to tapered using a straight to tapered headset adapter.
only if the straight headtube is 44mm top and bottom.
@@NonLegitNation2 yep
"Integrated "
I have a tapered fork on my marlin, it's definitely possible with the right headset!
Only if the straight tube is 44mm
Otherwise no adapter will work
@@user-yc6wx4sn5n Not true, there are headsets that are essentially external bearing cups for an internal/integrated headset tube that allow tapered forks to be used in smaller headtubes
They'll sell plenty of them, most folks will ride on greenways and gravel trails and that's it, and this bike is fine for that. The person who buys this bike will not know anything about local bike shops except that they're full of $2500+ bikes, so this will seem like the reasonable alternative. As a product, it's priced to be placed perfectly between something you get at Walmart and the higher-priced bike shops.
I just tried this at DSG. Almost bought it but I'm going to wait and see if there is a Memorial Day sale.
Here’s the question, will a $699 Trek Marlin be as well equipped and have a tapered head tube? No. Even if you buy one of the more expensive Marlin models and improve the equipment, you’ll still have the non tapered head tube. That said, since the Marlin has a 44mm head tube, you can buy and install an adapter for tapered forks. The Mongoose is still a better deal. Recently, they had it on sale for $549, which make it an even better deal.
I think I’d prefer the ozark trail for $398, then make a couple of upgrades.
I prefer the lower standover of the Mongoose . It's more playful.
@@chrisjones7281 The ozark trail ridge has small, med and large options. Small and medium have low standover
I line your videos. Can’t stop watching
Thank you! I really appreciate it. Definitely means a lot
I love that is says mongoose on it so people that ride marlins/talons,etc look down on you.Even though you're ride is equal/better.I would buy it and upgrade those forks(shop it out,take your time) and wrap that bottom for that chain slap and replace/upgrade as needed.Great looking too
The ozark comes with the clutch and it helps out alot. Also I upgraded the shocks to some Rock Shock Judy and it is still less than the mongoose
The Trek Marlin has a 44mm headtube which will accommodate a tapered steer tube when you change the headset lower cups.
Not that it matters much but it also raises the headtube and the bottom bracket. But yes you can then get a tapered fork.
I put one of those Acolyte groupsets on a 90s restomod and it is legit awesome.
Technically they do make external head sets/adapters that allow straight steerer frames to work with tapered forks so most modern bikes can run the better forks using that mod. Still, your points were valid and I enjoyed the vid.
At that price point, I would expect a little more. Either the derailleur/cassette should be a low end Shimano or the brakes be another entry level name brand. My kids had Walmart bikes and this is right in line with the issues I had with those bikes. Frames on box store bikes are getting pretty sweet but that's not a good reason to use throwaway components on the rest of the bike. Good breakdown Matty
At $699, not worth it. you’ll have to change all components. Great greenway and gravel bike for sure
Glad to see someone finally be critical of this bike. Everyone I’ve seen has just been so overly positive without mentioning the downsides like the price. It feels like this should be like a $500/$550 bike
As a kid i had a Mongoose Californian, i loved that bike, raced it jumped it. Someone stole it. Anyway, i live live to see the Mongoose brand make a come back to where it was 40 years ago. I have a 2013 DB frame i replaced every part on that bike. It's decent for an old man like me
I want this for the sake of my childhood. 😂 . But wont pay for it full price. They are asking too much for it. Just gotta be on FB for one. 😅
Nutt brakes! 😂
I love middle school humor. You beat me to the punch.
Now you're the cool kid with the mongoose 🤙🏽
Great job Matty! Love your vids. The bike is on sale now too, nice.
Good looking bike, love the pedal color contrast to the rest of the bike.
27k nice! Not a bad bike. A few upgrades and it would be an ok trail machine
Betasso is certainly the place to test entry level hardtails like this one, hard to find a smoother trail on the front range (South Valley park and Bear Creek lake park are the only others I can think of that are that smooth). Certainly not a bike I would take to Apex, White Ranch or Dakota Ridge hehe. Oh and all 3 of those are running perfect right now (I rode Apex saturday, was perfect).
Need allen key for clutch on . Lever turns off. According to wolftic..this mongoose is a ardor with a 30.9 seat tube instead of 27.2.. so can go beyond a 125 mm dropper. Can get a suspension/dropper. Think pnw makes it.. suspension seatpost and dropper all in one, 550 grames lite.
I think that the Kent Trouvaille and the Ozark Trail Ridge from Walmart are a better value at $398.
The only major differences are that they have better forks and worse brakes compared to the Mongoose.
Shimano Deore M6000 10 speed and a tapered fork, and a 180 rotors front n rear with those shimanos off Amazon.
I'd love to get back on a Mongoose. Every single BMX bike I raced was always Mongoose. My first mountain bike was a Mongoose (from Walmart). Seems like for the price the Ozark Trail is still a better bike at $400. Mine was easily upgraded.
Mangoose about 20-25 years ago were so popular.
I'd be interested to see what you think about the Poseidon Norton on sale now for $699 27.5 wheels thru axle
Yeah for sure, I feel like I don’t see enough MTB youtubers showing it off. I’d love to see what Matty thinks of it
It's a better geo and component spec'D bike than the switchback
I'd even be inclined to take a Giordano intrepid over the switchback die to geo and frame style.. it's con to some would be 135mm rear drop out vs odd ball 141 of switchback vs 148 of poseidon
I have the Norton XL frame arriving tomorrow, hopefully, if fedex pulls off a miracle and gets it from New Mexico to WI between now and the estimated delivery time of 9AM-2PM tomorrow.
That could be a good deal if that frame can clear 2.6s at a minimum. I am definitely a proponent of wider tires on 27.5 and hardtails.
@@mrvwbug4423 might clear 2.5
Def clears a 27.5x 2.4
Could mullet it and do a 26x2.6 though
Nutt brakes... just make sure you upgrade them by late October.
I've got an eastern alpaka (found it on Amazon for under 600 and it's pretty decent..no tapered head set but it does great
I tried out and reviewed a Walmart Ozark Trail Ridge that had that acolyte rd. It sucked. Easy upgrade to get rid of the chain slap, if ya swap that out!
The new schwinn Axum comp with dropper post and a clutch is way better for the price
so is the ozark trail ridge
Wish i had someone to ride with
I bought a 2024 Mongoose Tyek expert, came with a bent frame and the bike shop couldnt fix or adjust the gearing. Paid $1200.00 and had to return it. Just bought a new Salsa Hard tail for $1400.00 such a better bike.
Companies like mongoose made exciting bikes with great components back in the day but just like other big dogs, they either went bankrupt or sold off to corporate conglomerates who's focus is profit which is why they started to fall short but with competition they need to step up their game & build better bikes for survival, as of 2021 Pon Holdings owns Mongoose, Schwinn, Cannondale, GT, Santa Cruz, Cervelo, Caloi, Iron Horse, Derby Cycle, Kalkhoff, and Veloretti. Best way to beat some of the competition is to buy them out which is what it looks like to me, now I got all that boring stuff out of the way, I want to give kudos to your review via the framing, delivery, & style. I agree it's a good looking frame with potential but the price point is 2 bills too much.
They do make headset adapters to use a tapered fork on a straight tube. Their all over eBay.
also check out the Nishiki Colorado Comp; 29", front thru-axle, boost, 1x11, not sure about a tapered head tube. $50 more than the Mongoose.
Is the chainring narrow/wide? I’m also wondering if the chain may be a couple links too long.
Anyway, great review Matty and like someone else mentioned, you should do an upgrade series. That frame is too nice for those forks and brakes.
I don’t think it is honestly.
This bike is a bit spendy at $699…if you’re going to upgrade anyway.
I like a Marlin better at close to this price point. You get the strong support/customer service from Trek.
The ozark Trail Ridge I believe is a better value for the entry level upgrade as you go. Although you’re missing the hydraulic brakes you get on the mongoose.
It’s hard to choose. But think the $699 is going to have to come down closer to around $500 ish and it might become more attractive.
You can get hydraulic brakes for 56 bucks for the ozark trail so 450 and it’s still cheaper than 700
Put a chainstay protector on
I am just thinking for as much as you had this tweaked in the shop why not spend a bit more for something better. That price point is right up there so? Either like this bike or get something which is better right out if the box for a little more unless you need something now and spend more anyway for needed upgrades. Everyone is different but i know what i would do. 😂
I have an upgraded schwinn Axum, it works great. My buddy bought the mongoose ardor its pretty sweet as well. That being said, ive been looking at the roscoe 9 lol.
I got a Roscoe 8 for 600 bucks and mint mint condition man and I love it dude 😎👍🏻
@@No_ReGretzky99 nice dude, that's an awesome price
Another UA-camr also noticed the chain slapping problem with this bike.
The answer to your question is YES!! OVERPRICED!!! 😂 for what you get!!
Have you tried the Gen 3 Marlin 8 yet? IIRC it is set up tubeless with a dropper post - but it’s twice the price of this.
I have a video of the new trek marlin 7 gen coming soon. They are pretty sick!
Decent offering, good looking frame, but needs to be about $100 less. Good review!
I still have a 2012 mongoose Canaan elite down country. But the bike I like better is the ns eccentric is built up last fall .
Kinda sad to see the GT go, I walked into my local Dicks a week go and there were 2 left and the guy asked me "you lookin for the gt's" even though there were plenty of these switchbacks. Almost like he knew.
Put a Manitou on the marlin...
For that price it should have sealed cartridge bearings...
Matty, I am wondering if the clutch was turned on? I bet it was not from the store. If you don't turn the bolt to the right until the clutch clicks into place, the derailleur will just slap around.
I’ll have to go back and make sure
Do you think that trading out a set of Shimano MT-200 brakes would be a worth while upgrade, or going for a 4 piston like a SRAM G2? Seems like a Fox/Marzocchi or a better Suntour fork would be ideal for sure. Maybe do a drivetrain upgrade to like a Deore 6100?
I think MT-200 would be the perfect brake upgrade. I would for sure do the brakes and fork. As far as drivetrain, I would use the current one until it wears out unless you need those extra gears
you can get a fully decked out used hardtail for that price :)
Upgraded fork and a derailleur with a clutch to stop the chain slap, might as well buy a better bike that probably comes with other upgrades for the same price as aftermarket parts bought separately.
The Trek dealer must love it when people bring them bikes from Walmart.
🤣
They def look down on big box bikes but are smart enough to know which big box it came from and if the owner knows his bikes.This one you on get a smirk,the wally world 'goose you get a full laugh
I believe Trek Has two version of its Marlin Series for less money than this bike.
We actually do, easy money since none of them are assembled correctly
@@BerserkerNick I got kicked out of a bike shop in Miami 2013 ish, I showed up there with a Mongoose XR pro, and a Manitou air shock in hand, I couldn't find the right size adapters so I asked them if they would install it for me, they told me right where to stick it.
Mongoose makes great frames, they are project bikes. You'd be better off with the cheaper version cuz you're going to replace all the components anyway.
Agreed, You can almost buy three Mongoose Durhams for less money than one of these bikes
Cheaper version has straight head tube.
@@repo4 Ardore $350, same head tube angle, and tapered.
@@repo4 straight isn't a con if it's 44mm..adapter and go tapered fork
@@user-yc6wx4sn5n I'm just saying the frames are not the same. I have straight head tube on my Bobcat Trail and am perfectly fine with it.
Xce 28 already makes me not want to pay 600 for this bike. Could get a hardtail with a nicer fork for like 300 less
At the $700 mark to me it's not worth it. Still a better selection than the Marlin any day. The geo of the Mongoose is more modern as well. If I had $700 to spend It would be hard to find a better NEW bike unless you build from a frame up.
Would you try a rigid fork on that?
I might! But I actually have a full rigid bike that I plan to show you all here soon. Probably the coolest bike I’ve ever gotten
I get that these budget MTB videos are hot right now and I understand why content creators are interested in making them but I can’t help but feel that buying a bike like this is a false economy. The need for upgrades is going to push the price to the point where it makes more sense to save a little and buy a DTC bike from Commencal, YT or Canyon. Sure, the cost of entry is somewhat higher but the parts spec is significantly better, too. There’s no way in hell I’d ride my goto trails with the sorts of brakes you’d find at the bottom of a cereal box.
did they move from the one under the Indian restaurant?
Yep, just right across the parking lot next to the subway
man at 300 this bike would be cool but id just get a trek or polygon 700 is crazy for a hartail mongoose
Which would you say is better? This (which seems to be $500 now at Dick's) or the new Ozark Trail Ridge (for $400 at Walmart)?
You can put a tapered fork on your Trek Marlin, just have to install an external bottom headset cup, we do this here at Walker's Bike Shop all the time, the Trek Marlin is built to be upgraded as you progress your skills
What would you put on a marlin 5 xc for fork?
@rebelfromva I'm a fan of Rockshox, I would find something in the 110mm to 130mm range, if you're just getting into riding or ride lighter xc trails you would be OK with a Judy or a Reba, if you're an intermediate to advanced rider I'd look at a 35 Gold RL or a Lyric
Did you adjust the sag on the fork? Is it boost spacing?
It’s boost spacing but there are no adjustments on the fork. Just a plain coil spring fork
That bike looks like a Kent trouvaille. Looking at the video anyway.
I get it entry level, but damn old school dropouts just don’t cut it you can’t upgrade later with that. Probably no clutch on the derailleur, box 9 set cost 1/2 that bike and that’s cheap haha. Even cheaper fork is more then whole bike.
Should i get this or Marlin 8? I find Marlin 8 of 2022 almost brand new for 600, so kinda feels like a steal.
If it’s only 600 I would get the marlin
@@MattyActive thanks for response. was wondering can you actually switch sram derailleurs with shimano deore without switching up the other parts on it, or do you have to change the whole drivetrain? i've heard horrible stories on the stock marlin 8 derail, so would like to change to shimano deore bit by bit if possible.
Maybe if discount 100 or 150 it would be good, Otherwise Polygon Xtrada 6 or Xtrada 7 is a better option.
Been looking at this one or roscoe
Roscoe
This bike is on sale at my local Dicks for $400, should I snatch it up??
Needs a bigger rear casette and 180 mm disks
Kinda gives me a vibe of Trek Marlin series, but 699 tho...
I’d get a polygon it’s on sale right now
It's pretty much the same bike as the Ozark Trail but the Ridge is only about $400
I don't understand why somebody would buy this over the Poseidon Norton or even the Ozark trail ridge.
Just got the updated ozark trail ridge for 398 and 300 cheaper than this mongoose
If you look around you can get a way better deal I got a trek Roscoe 8 for 600 bucks and mint mint condition❤❤
Nice I will possibly consider it I'm not ready to purchase until early or mid-august I won't be starting my new job until mid July good job at Scott medical after one month x ce28 is fairly entry level with a tapered headset the options would be quite wide foreign up the road to the later time I have a similar xcm something on one of my cross-country bikes I'm surprised you we're not too sure about the hydraulic brakes currently the bike is on sale at Dick's sporting goods which pretty much states that the assembly would be really good in the setup and etcetera it is now 5:49 add 98 cents not including tax of course other considerations that I'm thinking of would be the Trek Marlin generation II just under $600 at Eric's I'm not sure if this is the model with the freewheel or the cassette I other considerations would be the KHS Zaca 29 if I were to get the Mongoose the first thing to go would be those reflectors they've been known to go into the spokes
770$ ( including tax and shipping), on the used market will get you a much better bike, maybe even full suspension.
I have Switchback 2019/20 27.5" orange and am thinking of swapping the Xposed Fork with Suntour XCR and keeping this bike for another 2-3;years, before switching to another one completely. Not an aggressive biker at all. What do you think?
Ended up with following upgrades - Shimano CUES U6000 10-speed 6 components groupset (originally Tourney XT 3x7 speed), MT200 hydraulic brakes (originally mech brakes), EXA Form 900i dropper and installed SR Suntour XCR32 RLR air fork. For all these I paid under $350 and ~$90 servicing. Think I am good to go for another 3 years. :)
What's really great these days is that the big box stores are selling quality bikes at good prices. This makes good biking affordable for more people, and that's good for all bikers in general.
IDK man, these bikes are getting more and more expensive and are basically the same price as bike shop bikes. Buying used is a much better option if you want the most bang for your buck in my opinion.
@@RuezgaDaniel You're right. Pink Bike has an endless supply of every type and make of bike imaginable.
@donnovicki9771 Even OfferUp and Facebook Marketplace have some great deals if you know what to look for. I've seen Trek Roscoes for $400 and Polygon Siskiu's for $600 before. If you're willing to spend around $1K there are a lot of good options for hardtails and full suspension MTBs. I watch big box bike videos for fun, but I think it's bad advice to recommend them to new MTBers over buying a good used bike. After all the money and hassle of upgrading a big box bike, you could have just bought a good used bike that's ready to go for the same money, minus having to search for and install better components.
@@RuezgaDaniel Ozark Trail Ridge is $400 which is really good for an entry level bike that can be upgraded with used parts at a good price. There's a Rockshox Recon 140mm travel selling in my area for $75. I bought a 130mm travel fork for $55 about a month or so ago.
@dvs620 Yeah that's not too bad. The Ozark Trail is pretty nice for what you pay. I've seen Trek Roscoes for $400 and Polygon Siskius for $600 on OfferUp and Facebook Marketplace, so you can definitely find great deals on used bikes and parts. Kind of like how you found used forks pretty cheap.
It's overpriced, especially if this will become a Dick's special. I think $499 is more in-line with what you get. As others have already pointed out, the Ozark Trail is a far better buy if you're going to do any kind of upgrades.
I'm one of those people who enjoy upgrading a bike every bit as much as riding it and seeing if I could upgrade (and, in some cases, _downgrade)_ it even more. Which is exactly why l think that this bike is not only outrageously overpriced, but an outright scam. There's no way I would be picking this over, say, a used Roscoe or older X-caliber.
It's 549 currently
Right now in the US, on sale for the same price, the Poseidon Norton blows this bike away. Boost, 130mm fork, 10spd
The Mongoose has pretty long chainstays. Low Stack height and only 100mm fork on 64.5deg head angle. Should have been 20mm more Stack and fork travel, 135mm QR rear, 8spd...its mostly not upgradeable really. That 'decent' frame is not the core it could have been.
Mongoose, GT, Schwinn, Cannondale...are all owned by the same company.
Pacific Cycle made in China
@@Wireman134 So is most of the stuff in your house.
I think that's a bit much for what you're getting. But I'm pretty stingy. And also being Mongoose isn't really a name people like so much, at least in MTB, I think it'll have nearly no resale.
These new Mongoose bikes look good, but those shitty components scare me a little