A grass take-off in that heavy six cylinder aircraft with little pavement wheels was always going to be long. Add to that the sprinklers near half way causing ground softness and extra drag. So glad everyone was ok
@@thewhitefalcon8539 true on pavement where drag from the runway is minimal. Not true on grass with small wheels where you want to minimize the weight of the airplane (ie increase lift) as soon as possible on the roll because that full weight on grass is holding you back - big time!
I own a Lance I. This is a Lance II. Soft field, no flaps, T-tail (a very bad design on the Lance II) and a pilot that did not calculate the distance required for take off (having failed to do the first calculation, he would have failed to calculate weight & balance as well). This accident occurred before he even stuck the key in the ignition! I'm glad he was OK.
I have about 3500 hours in Lance's, from bank check days. Both T's and straights. Those T-tails were always a little tricky. I didn't like them near as well as the straights.
I agree. Any pilot with common sense taking off of a runway made of wet grass with a 20-foot obstacle at the end will use flaps set for short field takeoff setting. What is not known if he also employed soft fiend techniques combined with short fiend takeoff.
I saw episodes of air crash and I was amazed at the number of fatal accidents due to pilots forgetting to put the flaps in the take-off position this is the first thing that any pilot must do before any takeoff after start-up flaps flaps flaps
Those pesky elevation changes will jump right out when you least expect them … It’s almost like there should be some directory of airport facilities or something … if only that existed
@bigteam6919 Sprinklers would have undoubtedly made soft ground..but it looks like there's a couple times when the spray coming up from the tires..pops up...did hitting berms of water..large puddles..arrest speed? Including other factors..
Turbo P32R. They require a stage of flap for a normal take off. And the T-tail model has less control authority due to being positioned above the slipstream. Unfortunately, sluggish acceleration is sometimes difficult to detect. Pre-takeoff safety brief should cover this. Possibly used to flying off long, paved runways. Short, water logged grass strip had the odds stacked against him. It’s a terrible feeling when you know you’re running out of runway.
Unfamiliar wet grass runways call for short field takeoffs every time. This plane was in a clean configuration as if it was on pavement. He was not set up for success.
@@kombolashasoft field and short are both 10 degrees of flaps, but soft is yoke back until you see the plane wheelie up, then release a little yoke and as the plane lifts off, push the nose down to gain speed before climbing out above the obstacle. Short field is a normal take-off with flaps, but much more ground roll, which isn't necessary on a wet runway like this. No reason not to do short field.
@@Kassiusday That concept does exist and is called the V1 speed also known as decision speed. It mainly only applies to jets though with multiple engines since in the event of an engine failure, their remaining engine is more then powerful enough to continue the takeoff safely. Smaller aircraft on the other hand tend to not have that luxury so crashing it as "safely" as possible is your best option.
@@steilkurbler4973When getting your ppl you practice soft field takeoffs and landings. You are supposed to deploy flaps and not be in a clean configuration. This pilot is at fault
@@FinnACurran That's right, but the wing generates lift no matter what the ground surface is. Soft fields just have much more drag to overcome to build up airspeed. IIRC the rule of thumb was around 40% than hard surface runways. You can still take off without flaps, it just takes way longer, which is a problem when space is limited.
A few things wrong with this I believe. I haven’t read the AFM for this aircraft but most soft field/short field takeoffs require flaps as well as using as much possible usable runway. Then holding the breaks and using full throttle until manifold pressure and rpm are stabilized at full before starting takeoff. Plus grass adds to your total takeoff distance depending on what it says in the AFM.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 The premise is still sound... rev up, hold spot ... release for max distance. Also FLAPS ! (Engage flaps partway down the runway if you need to get speed early)
Better then him panicking and rotating then still not clearing the trees and stall spinning it into the terrain. So that was the better decision he made.
One hundred percent. A ground base, the board beats taking an emergency into the air below V1 rotation speed. As others have said, there's an error on display here by not having flaps deployed. But the judgment in aborting the take off was smart.
For all the people saying that flaps wouls have prevented the accident; ..im assuming that what you mean to say is: treat this as a soft-field take off, set your flaps, apply brake, max throttle, release brakes, apply back pressure, get your wheels off the ground asap, fly in ground effect , then upon reaching takeoff speed, pull back and fly Vx
This is wrong, you NEVER apply brakes and stop on a soft field. I hope you’re not just mixing together short field and soft field together. Soft field you constantly roll and never stop so you don’t potentially get stuck in the grass….
The pilot aborted early enough not to lose his life. We're all human. Even experienced 5,000 hour pilots are prone to make major mistakes. The pilot got the most important part right, and that involved deliberately crashing it. There's nothing 'instinctive' here - many pilots have died in similar circumstances, being mentally unprepared to call such a decision.
Wouldn't you walk the runway first? Like if I'm not sure my car will clear a bump, I go check it out, and thats driving 2 dimensionally - I'd probably be out there with yard stick and surveying tools if I had to lift a plane off a grass strip
I know that for larger aircraft that gave two or more engines, there is a speed called V1, meaning that you must either have made a “go” decision for the takeoff or already taking action to abort the takeoff. I think it’s different for the small lightweight aircraft that have only one engine. There must be a point to where once you meet certain criteria in terms of speed and distance, you must continue with the takeoff.
That big spray coming up about halfway through the takeoff run is proof that those sprinklers caused a flooded area. That is standing water which increases drag significantly. That could have made all the difference if it was dry.
A lot of unqualified arrogance in this comments section. Unless you know the exact model of aircraft that this is, have read the specific hanbook for it and know the soft field takeoff proceedure, you probably shouldn't be on your high horse about flaps and taking the pilot's licence away and such. Maybe start off by reading the NTSB report or something basic.
Part of flight planning is comprehensively studying the runway chart for elevation changes before takeoff. We've got a 10000 foot runway and it's got a few up and downs along the way. When it's very wet it affects the aircraft's takeoff and landing rollout. Yes, it's grooved, but that doesn't do much when we have relatively high volumes of rain coming down per second. The fastest jets can have the most aggravating time trying to smoothly decelerate.
Soft field takeoff's usually require the use of flaps plus MINIMAL nose pressure, unless the POH states differently. When doing a soft field takeoff you lift off at rotation speed and hold ground effect until you can build up speed to hold Vy. If its s short soft field you use the Vx climb out speed and hold until clear of obstacle and decrease flaps incrementally holding a positive rate. I did not see any of this from this pilot, also looked like no pre-takeoff briefing, and the pilot should have calculated their takeoff performance prior to the flight.
The pilot was not using the soft field take off procedure, partial flaps and elevator back to get the weight off the nose wheel, that is why he crashed it
It was 100F with minimal wind on a soft field. And he didn't use flaps. Complacency is a killer. Good news is he was the only one in the plane. No info on whether he had loaded any extra weight into the plane.
See, he wasn't stubborn, nor arrogant, and didn't let his EGO get in the way and lived to see another day. This should be a training video for all future private plane pilots.
Appears that he didnt have aft pressure on the elevators during takeoff roll. This takes the weight off the front gear and reduces rolling drag on grass strips....
The pilot didn't know what he was doing - he didn't know the runway. It doesn't need to be "redesigned". The runway is just fine. There are hundreds of runways in the world that are tricky to fly in and out of.
The runway is a big problem too, alongside the plane’s gear of course. There should be an emergency stop net at the end to avoid this because it could’ve ended badly.
My old instructor told me a long time ago…. There will come a time as pilot that you’re faced with two choices, a bad one and a real bad one. This is the example of the correct “bad choice”. The “real bad choice” would have been to try and make they ac fly. One was at 50 knots, the other would have at 100knots.
this aircraft was on a clean configuration which lead to this . had he been set up with flaps (dirty configuration) for a short/soft field takeoff, the outcome would’ve been a lot better .
The best place to find free airplanes are in the bushes at the end of runways. I've taken home 3 free airplanes already just by scouring the bushes at my local state airports.
Dear hit the breaks ,go 4 full throttle and once engine is full run , realise the break , again abrupt speed and take of consuming short distance.... Good head wind will further shorten take off distance
Something tells me this pilot has never taken off from a grass runway before. That looks like a really nice grass runway compared to ones I've taken off from. He should've been using flaps and that little dip is actually helpful. He could've used the upward incline coming out of the dip to his advantage but he got scared and tried to abort
So many arm chair pilots in the comments. Smh. If you look carefully, the takeoff flaps IS lowered. One cannot use landing flaps for takeoff cuz it's only for landing
That was a Lance Turbo 300 HP Piper. Thats a $200K plane. It looks like he was taking off heavy or with a tail wind. You have to start stopping at the halfway point in the runway.
Idk what the winds were, but the tree line at the side he left from were way shorter lol. Flaps obviously since it's a soft field. Idk what the POH says for his plane though...
Ok no flaps and the water slowed him down, #1 inspect your runway especially in grass. #2 his airspeed was alive before he hit the water so in this case he should’ve rotated right on the mark. #3 hold brakes, throttle up, release brakes and use as little of that sketchy run way as possible
All the wet grass at the halfway point onwards just adds drag to the wheels, that plus the drop in the runway means the trees appear much taller, so pulling up over them would not be possible with the reduced speed of the aircraft⚠️ I see 3 issues of safety concerns - 1. Wet grass, turn off the sprinklers when the runway is in use. 2. Tall trees right at the end of the runway, never a great idea, very bad airfield design, cut them down or reduce the height. 3. Pilot error, pre flight checks SHOULD include noticing points 1 and 2 above and checking if you can get enough speed to take off on the reduced amount of airfield.
Flaps 25 degrees. Also the plane was overloaded. I know this from flying a couple thousand hours in type on paved and grass, mostly as instructor. I have operated the same type on a 2000 foot grass runway. You can't put an adult in every seat, baggage, and full fuel and expect to be in the envelope. That takeoff roll was WAY too long. Also the pilot is legally required to know about the runway profile and any obstacles prior to using it for takeoff or landing.
For every flight, pilots are supposed to determine the available and required runway distances for takeoff and landing Some factors that increase the runway distance an airplane requires for takeoff include grass runways that are wet, upward slopes, increased ambient air temperature, and low atmospheric pressure, and, of course, pilot technique, just to name a few Pilots are trained to calculate the required distance for takeoff from the airplane's operating handbook and compare this distance with the length of the runway chosen. If the runway is too short for the airplane to takeoff, then a different runway should be chosen, or the flight canceled altogether This scenario typically happens when pilots fail to accurately calculate required distances, or when they don't calculate anything at all and just try to "eyeball" it... which isn't a very safe operating practice in aviation in general
He neglected the basic procedure for a grass take off. 2 or 3 notches of flaps, 3/4 of yoke pull all the time and take off at 60 knots. Completely his fault
Happy no one was hurt. If that Piper T tail was at normal height I bet the plane would have cleared no problem. A big reason Piper stopped this model after a couple years.
Trust your charts. By law every aircraft must have a POH, which will contain takeoff charts. The charts are heavily factored and include runway slope, wind, temperature, density altitude etc. If the chart says the aircraft will make it, THE AIRCRAFT WILL MAKE IT.
I was a passenger in a Lance recently. On our 3200 slight downhill paved runway at 840 MSL with 2 standard weight men and half fuel it took forever to launch and cleared the trees by just 100’. On this web grass field-NOPE!
A grass take-off in that heavy six cylinder aircraft with little pavement wheels was always going to be long. Add to that the sprinklers near half way causing ground softness and extra drag. So glad everyone was ok
No flaps either. Should have been in short field configuration and he would have been airborne before the obstacle.
@Adub 1300 Agree. Also, it seems the pilot became fixated on the liftoff and appears not to have looked at performance versus remaining runway
70/50 rule. If you haven’t gained 70% of your take off speed in 50% of the runway abort.
@adub1300 I would put flaps down right before rotating. They just add Drag on the takeoff roll otherwise
Lol
There is a 70/50 rule If you are not at 70% of your lift off speed at 50% of the available runway shut it down and try again.
Standing water on the runway?
Try again…?,
Try flaps.. reduce weight, wait for cooler temps etc.
If you own 70% more than 50% of your IQ, don't fly a plane.
Flaps 10 deg in those conditions
That's only true 40% of the time. The other half depends on wind direction.
That runway needs to be redesigned
This looks like a very nice run way….
@@yamkaw346did you not watch the video
@@VTEC_RAT Sure did…. Looks like en extremely well maintained runway. I fly in and out of much worse on a daily basis.
The runway is totally fine. It was poor judgment from the pilot as to why they crashed.
This runway is fine. The pilot made an error
Flaps are critical for additional lift earlier in the take off roll- which is exactly what you need when grass is slowing your acceleration
Flaps are for bots
@@pantherplatform flaps are for clapping 👏
Technically you only need lift at the end of the takeoff
@@thewhitefalcon8539 true on pavement where drag from the runway is minimal. Not true on grass with small wheels where you want to minimize the weight of the airplane (ie increase lift) as soon as possible on the roll because that full weight on grass is holding you back - big time!
@@thewhitefalcon8539 you want to take off faster tho
I own a Lance I. This is a Lance II. Soft field, no flaps, T-tail (a very bad design on the Lance II) and a pilot that did not calculate the distance required for take off (having failed to do the first calculation, he would have failed to calculate weight & balance as well). This accident occurred before he even stuck the key in the ignition! I'm glad he was OK.
I was gonna say this. You don't just go and wait forever till the plane takes off. What if it doesn't? Silly.
@@bb-skyBecause of poor planning and a late decision.
I have about 3500 hours in Lance's, from bank check days. Both T's and straights. Those T-tails were always a little tricky. I didn't like them near as well as the straights.
I saw NO FLAPS.
Since it isnt mentioned, the "obstacle halfway down the runway" was about 4 inches of water pooled across the runway that sapped his speed.
Someone should tell him about flaps
I’m glad a lot of people saw that he wasn’t using any flaps especially on grass 😵💫
Beat me to it.
thot i wasn't seeing what seemed obvious...
Exactly, does the pilot have a license?
He must have skipped that class on Soft/Short Field techniques! Flaps anyone? Slight back pressure on the yoke anyone?
Dude didn’t do his homework. It’s gonna be a very expensive lesson.
Why I’m pysical tonight
No flap on grass???
I Said the same thing
My opinion too. No flaps caused the accident.
I agree. Any pilot with common sense taking off of a runway made of wet grass with a 20-foot obstacle at the end will use flaps set for short field takeoff setting.
What is not known if he also employed soft fiend techniques combined with short fiend takeoff.
Glad someone else caught that
I saw episodes of air crash and I was amazed at the number of fatal accidents due to pilots forgetting to put the flaps in the take-off position
this is the first thing that any pilot must do before any takeoff after start-up
flaps flaps flaps
Those pesky elevation changes will jump right out when you least expect them … It’s almost like there should be some directory of airport facilities or something … if only that existed
Hey that s a good idea! You should make a book of em all or somethin
@@rohanbaty3155 book? LOL, I’m 51, you must be older than that if you think “books” are still used. 🤣🤣
But it's downhill. That helps you, not hinders.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 I just had to use a book full of chart supplements on my PPL checkride 😅😅😅
Flaps would have prevented this all day long.
Some people need to get to their destinations real fast!
Sorry, but you don't know that unless you have the performance charts, a/c weight, obstacle data, wind, and density altitude at that time.
@@tenpilotohe’s taking off on grass. He needs flaps.
10o all day. It was the first thing I looked for when replaying it.
@@tenpilotoyou can clearly see they had no flaps deployed for takeoff
Pilot forgot to plug his brain in the night before for a full charge.
probably got a good lay and was too busy remembering it instead of thinking about his plane.
"he gon reck it" was the best part
Yep he wrecked it.
I lived in a small neighborhood like this in North Pole AK. I very much liked NOT having to pay airport & ramp fees
Which was your favorite reindeer? 😂
No flaps and partial throttle or a problem getting to full throttle…self inflicted
I was looking like he has no flaps set
I agree I noticed no flaps as well
OK yeah but...hidden obstacle?..was it the standing water?
@bigteam6919 Sprinklers would have undoubtedly made soft ground..but it looks like there's a couple times when the spray coming up from the tires..pops up...did hitting berms of water..large puddles..arrest speed?
Including other factors..
Turbo P32R. They require a stage of flap for a normal take off. And the T-tail model has less control authority due to being positioned above the slipstream. Unfortunately, sluggish acceleration is sometimes difficult to detect. Pre-takeoff safety brief should cover this. Possibly used to flying off long, paved runways. Short, water logged grass strip had the odds stacked against him. It’s a terrible feeling when you know you’re running out of runway.
Unfamiliar wet grass runways call for short field takeoffs every time. This plane was in a clean configuration as if it was on pavement. He was not set up for success.
You mean soft field takeoff
@@BigLucs soft and short are two different methods.
@@TB-um1xzto hell with getting stuck, I’d pick short field and get off well before the muddy mess those sprinklers are bound to make.
@@kombolasha I guess you don't know what a soft field takeoff is.
@@kombolashasoft field and short are both 10 degrees of flaps, but soft is yoke back until you see the plane wheelie up, then release a little yoke and as the plane lifts off, push the nose down to gain speed before climbing out above the obstacle. Short field is a normal take-off with flaps, but much more ground roll, which isn't necessary on a wet runway like this. No reason not to do short field.
In his defense.
If I was unsure whether I'd make it past the trees in the air, I'd rather hit them on the ground.
Absolutely. Aborting was a good decision. It was the only good decision, but the most important one.
@@ZC.Andrewwell is not that after a certain V speed you are obliged to rotate with some aircrafts ??
@@Kassiusday That concept does exist and is called the V1 speed also known as decision speed. It mainly only applies to jets though with multiple engines since in the event of an engine failure, their remaining engine is more then powerful enough to continue the takeoff safely. Smaller aircraft on the other hand tend to not have that luxury so crashing it as "safely" as possible is your best option.
He probably didn’t practice soft-field take off with flaps, during his PPL days. 😎
Ppl bot
First, don't try to take off in mid day. 2nd, do your performance take off calculations. Lesson learned
Short/soft field takeoff procedures really need increased emphasis in initial training nowadays.
It is people just forget about their importance and get complacent
His wallet had a “really bad day.”
His flaps were no set so he got no lift
Planes can take off without them, just takes longer. That's a problem when space is limited.
@@steilkurbler4973When getting your ppl you practice soft field takeoffs and landings. You are supposed to deploy flaps and not be in a clean configuration. This pilot is at fault
@@FinnACurran That's right, but the wing generates lift no matter what the ground surface is. Soft fields just have much more drag to overcome to build up airspeed. IIRC the rule of thumb was around 40% than hard surface runways. You can still take off without flaps, it just takes way longer, which is a problem when space is limited.
That’s not how aerodynamics work…
@@RandyMarsh-nu6lo extended flaps do generate more lift, but they also induce more drag.
Looks more akin to a golf course than anything the FAA would designate a “runway”
That was my airplane, it was my pride and joy, life long dream plane. My friend destroyed it and I lost $70,000 . Never under insure your plane
Oh man, I can feel the pain in your comment. Are you still friends?
Sorry to hear. Good lesson about insurance.
Sorry friend. Hope some things go your way.
Had your friend operated this aircraft from that field before?
First rule as a pilot....FLY the plane.
A few things wrong with this I believe. I haven’t read the AFM for this aircraft but most soft field/short field takeoffs require flaps as well as using as much possible usable runway. Then holding the breaks and using full throttle until manifold pressure and rpm are stabilized at full before starting takeoff. Plus grass adds to your total takeoff distance depending on what it says in the AFM.
You can’t really hold the brakes on grass. It will drag the wheels.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 The premise is still sound... rev up, hold spot ... release for max distance. Also FLAPS ! (Engage flaps partway down the runway if you need to get speed early)
This is a classic example of not having planned the takeoff, no matter how routine
Prior planning prevents piss poor performance
Better then him panicking and rotating then still not clearing the trees and stall spinning it into the terrain. So that was the better decision he made.
One hundred percent. A ground base, the board beats taking an emergency into the air below V1 rotation speed.
As others have said, there's an error on display here by not having flaps deployed. But the judgment in aborting the take off was smart.
A proof that not all pilots has all what it takes to carry the responsibility of flying hundreds of passengers in an airliner
That's a golf club . Not a runway.
As a pilot who knows a lot of drunken surgeons ....I know this .
For all the people saying that flaps wouls have prevented the accident; ..im assuming that what you mean to say is: treat this as a soft-field take off, set your flaps, apply brake, max throttle, release brakes, apply back pressure, get your wheels off the ground asap, fly in ground effect , then upon reaching takeoff speed, pull back and fly Vx
This is wrong, you NEVER apply brakes and stop on a soft field. I hope you’re not just mixing together short field and soft field together. Soft field you constantly roll and never stop so you don’t potentially get stuck in the grass….
@@ChaseB1896 (duh) yes, you are absolutely correct..i mixed both up!! Thankyou
T/O Flaps????
The pilot aborted early enough not to lose his life. We're all human. Even experienced 5,000 hour pilots are prone to make major mistakes. The pilot got the most important part right, and that involved deliberately crashing it. There's nothing 'instinctive' here - many pilots have died in similar circumstances, being mentally unprepared to call such a decision.
Wouldn't you walk the runway first? Like if I'm not sure my car will clear a bump, I go check it out, and thats driving 2 dimensionally - I'd probably be out there with yard stick and surveying tools if I had to lift a plane off a grass strip
I know that for larger aircraft that gave two or more engines, there is a speed called V1, meaning that you must either have made a “go” decision for the takeoff or already taking action to abort the takeoff. I think it’s different for the small lightweight aircraft that have only one engine. There must be a point to where once you meet certain criteria in terms of speed and distance, you must continue with the takeoff.
taking off in wet runway will quickly dimish take off distance
I think you mean extend the takeoff distance. Lol. Having no flaps also does not help. Bad combo.
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That big spray coming up about halfway through the takeoff run is proof that those sprinklers caused a flooded area. That is standing water which increases drag significantly. That could have made all the difference if it was dry.
Stupid is as Stupid does
Folks saying this isn’t a good runway, it’s beautiful and far more than adequate for these types of aircraft.
A lot of unqualified arrogance in this comments section. Unless you know the exact model of aircraft that this is, have read the specific hanbook for it and know the soft field takeoff proceedure, you probably shouldn't be on your high horse about flaps and taking the pilot's licence away and such. Maybe start off by reading the NTSB report or something basic.
Part of flight planning is comprehensively studying the runway chart for elevation changes before takeoff. We've got a 10000 foot runway and it's got a few up and downs along the way. When it's very wet it affects the aircraft's takeoff and landing rollout. Yes, it's grooved, but that doesn't do much when we have relatively high volumes of rain coming down per second. The fastest jets can have the most aggravating time trying to smoothly decelerate.
Soft field takeoff's usually require the use of flaps plus MINIMAL nose pressure, unless the POH states differently.
When doing a soft field takeoff you lift off at rotation speed and hold ground effect until you can build up speed to hold Vy. If its s short soft field you use the Vx climb out speed and hold until clear of obstacle and decrease flaps incrementally holding a positive rate.
I did not see any of this from this pilot, also looked like no pre-takeoff briefing, and the pilot should have calculated their takeoff performance prior to the flight.
As other people mentioned, he should have flapped his wings like a bird. You can see as he's passing by, he is not flapping his wings
The pilot was not using the soft field take off procedure, partial flaps and elevator back to get the weight off the nose wheel, that is why he crashed it
Sadly I know someone who died in a plane crash 😢 R. I. P.
Yez😢
If you're unfamiliar with runway, how about taxing down the runway first. Assess requirements. Then attempt take off
No flaps and get your speed up to take off. Then add flaps and you will Pop the grass. This works great I do this all the time.
It was 100F with minimal wind on a soft field. And he didn't use flaps. Complacency is a killer. Good news is he was the only one in the plane. No info on whether he had loaded any extra weight into the plane.
And that's why, you don't hire crop dusters from craigslist
See, he wasn't stubborn, nor arrogant, and didn't let his EGO get in the way and lived to see another day. This should be a training video for all future private plane pilots.
Flaps!? And yes, I'm a pilot for both: helicopters and fixedwing... just makes sense!
Appears that he didnt have aft pressure on the elevators during takeoff roll. This takes the weight off the front gear and reduces rolling drag on grass strips....
The pilot didn't know what he was doing - he didn't know the runway. It doesn't need to be "redesigned". The runway is just fine. There are hundreds of runways in the world that are tricky to fly in and out of.
The runway is a big problem too, alongside the plane’s gear of course.
There should be an emergency stop net at the end to avoid this because it could’ve ended badly.
Thats why you do performance calcs before takeoff if there is any doubt whatsoever
My old instructor told me a long time ago…. There will come a time as pilot that you’re faced with two choices, a bad one and a real bad one. This is the example of the correct “bad choice”. The “real bad choice” would have been to try and make they ac fly. One was at 50 knots, the other would have at 100knots.
If I were him, having your flaps down at 10-20% would have probably helped with avoiding this accident.
At least it wasnt like the botswana crash where 3 people died after a plane crashed into a building
this aircraft was on a clean configuration which lead to this . had he been set up with flaps (dirty configuration) for a short/soft field takeoff, the outcome would’ve been a lot better .
Clint Eastwood " dirty harry" said it beat best man got to know his limitations!!!😅 😂
Should have been a short field takeoff, which I'm pretty sure it wasn't, as you can see the flaps are fully retracted
For a soft field takeoff you need 10 degrees of flaps and you need to put the plane into ground effect to gain airspeed
The best place to find free airplanes are in the bushes at the end of runways. I've taken home 3 free airplanes already just by scouring the bushes at my local state airports.
Dear hit the breaks ,go 4 full throttle and once engine is full run , realise the break , again abrupt speed and take of consuming short distance.... Good head wind will further shorten take off distance
When in doubt, don't. Especially in flying❤
I love how the people just calmly say “ he wrecked it” like it happens every day 😂
Taxi on grass, that’s like skydiving without a parachute
When your drunk neighbor wants to show off his plane.
Something tells me this pilot has never taken off from a grass runway before. That looks like a really nice grass runway compared to ones I've taken off from. He should've been using flaps and that little dip is actually helpful. He could've used the upward incline coming out of the dip to his advantage but he got scared and tried to abort
1. Check density altitude and takeoff roll
2. I would never take off on a grass strip without flaps.
“Where you can taxi up to your own front door”
Taylor Swift is going to find this completely normal 😂😂😂
This is why you don't smoke a doobie before flying for a second tyme
His private license should come under question and maybe taking away from him and not ever giving back to him
So many arm chair pilots in the comments. Smh. If you look carefully, the takeoff flaps IS lowered. One cannot use landing flaps for takeoff cuz it's only for landing
Absolutely avoidable. Don’t build or use runways with changes in elevation. 🤦🏻♀️
Because you can start the engine, that doesn't make you a pilot..
That was a Lance Turbo 300 HP Piper. Thats a $200K plane. It looks like he was taking off heavy or with a tail wind. You have to start stopping at the halfway point in the runway.
“Unfortunately” no one was hurt.”
The Piper lance has a squirrelly elevator and is not forgiving with low speed and short runways.
Idk what the winds were, but the tree line at the side he left from were way shorter lol. Flaps obviously since it's a soft field. Idk what the POH says for his plane though...
Ok no flaps and the water slowed him down, #1 inspect your runway especially in grass. #2 his airspeed was alive before he hit the water so in this case he should’ve rotated right on the mark. #3 hold brakes, throttle up, release brakes and use as little of that sketchy run way as possible
Let’s remind each other that it’s not about criticism but about learning to avoid. Could be anyone
All the wet grass at the halfway point onwards just adds drag to the wheels, that plus the drop in the runway means the trees appear much taller, so pulling up over them would not be possible with the reduced speed of the aircraft⚠️
I see 3 issues of safety concerns -
1. Wet grass, turn off the sprinklers when the runway is in use.
2. Tall trees right at the end of the runway, never a great idea, very bad airfield design, cut them down or reduce the height.
3. Pilot error, pre flight checks SHOULD include noticing points 1 and 2 above and checking if you can get enough speed to take off on the reduced amount of airfield.
Flaps 25 degrees. Also the plane was overloaded. I know this from flying a couple thousand hours in type on paved and grass, mostly as instructor. I have operated the same type on a 2000 foot grass runway. You can't put an adult in every seat, baggage, and full fuel and expect to be in the envelope. That takeoff roll was WAY too long. Also the pilot is legally required to know about the runway profile and any obstacles prior to using it for takeoff or landing.
He left the plane alive. Good decision. To all that never doing something wrong: "Shut up!"
That pilot grossly irresponsible.
For every flight, pilots are supposed to determine the available and required runway distances for takeoff and landing
Some factors that increase the runway distance an airplane requires for takeoff include grass runways that are wet, upward slopes, increased ambient air temperature, and low atmospheric pressure, and, of course, pilot technique, just to name a few
Pilots are trained to calculate the required distance for takeoff from the airplane's operating handbook and compare this distance with the length of the runway chosen. If the runway is too short for the airplane to takeoff, then a different runway should be chosen, or the flight canceled altogether
This scenario typically happens when pilots fail to accurately calculate required distances, or when they don't calculate anything at all and just try to "eyeball" it... which isn't a very safe operating practice in aviation in general
He neglected the basic procedure for a grass take off. 2 or 3 notches of flaps, 3/4 of yoke pull all the time and take off at 60 knots. Completely his fault
Happy no one was hurt. If that Piper T tail was at normal height I bet the plane would have cleared no problem. A big reason Piper stopped this model after a couple years.
Glad they survived
Trust your charts. By law every aircraft must have a POH, which will contain takeoff charts. The charts are heavily factored and include runway slope, wind, temperature, density altitude etc. If the chart says the aircraft will make it, THE AIRCRAFT WILL MAKE IT.
This pilot was just a rich kid without experience
Why is the "hurt" part always almost universally mentioned in every type of vehicle accident? Jeez it's agitating
Fortunately if you’re rich enough to live in a community with your garage as a hangar you’re rich enough to pay to fix your plane.
I was a passenger in a Lance recently. On our 3200 slight downhill paved runway at 840 MSL with 2 standard weight men and half fuel it took forever to launch and cleared the trees by just 100’. On this web grass field-NOPE!
Wet grass runway restricting the airplane gain speed, also with HIGH HUMIDITY AIR induced by sprinklers.
And that's why.....among other consequences, GA insurance is so grotesquely expensive.
"Fortunately nobody was hurt"
The plane itself: WELL THANKS
That "runway" looks like a disaster waiting to happen.
“UNFORTUNATELY “ NO ONE WAS HURT