Order within oneself | J. Krishnamurti
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Order within oneself | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from the seventh small group discussion in Malibu, 1970.
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Even after his departure he left behind a lot of wisdom.
True ❤️
Aren't we so lucky in this time and age that we can watch/listen to him on this platform!!?
Yes very true we are so lucky and fortune
I listen to him every day....thanks for this channel!
"Seeking is to find. [Therefore] what you find must be in the pattern of the known. Therefore, it is nothing new, nothing fresh, nothing living, but it only a projection of the past.....and a contradiction to 'what is.' "
Is it to find or to know?
@@aliyadecha9131seeking means known
Seeking end order start .
Don’t get caught up in your personal interpretations of K’s terms; he defines and explains clearly his usage. Our 21st century ears interpret ‘order’ and ‘absolute’ as old-school and dogmatic; if you feel this way, just substitute ‘harmony’ or ‘peace’ whenever you hear ‘order’ in this brilliant insightful discussion…
I don t know if order means peace. Maybe a subjective consequence. But order is just order, negation of conflict, totality.
Yet substituting order with harmony really does improve the understanding of this talk. Not to say that your explanation and added 'totality' didn't help too :)
@@saracimino158 true that.
Words can be very tricky. You have to learn to understand beyond them.
This is an amazing piece of talk!! Many thanks K!!
J k teachings are like lightbulb moments the more you listen the easier they become to understand then there is no need to walk backwards.
K is the wisdom of the humanity. But very few understand him.
All know that the drop merges into the ocean but few know that the ocean merges into the drop
Kabir
Yes very small people have capability to understand his teaching
To understand him and to have interest
Fly higher than the eagle and see each other as family serving each other under the laws of nature.💚🌏🌎🌍
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In fact there'snt any strategy, all the strategies are the product of thoughts, the self playing the trick, disguised as the seeker! One has to see the subtle activities of the self which is ever desirous of achieving some state or acquiring some unique quality. So, basically there'snt any thing sought-after. All the urge are latent in the ego. Once the mind sees this the illusion vanishes.
Quite Right.
Experiencer is the truth
Sometimes his talks stir something deep within me and I find myself crying. I don't know why that happens.
Thank you Jiddu :)
Solution to world problems in one video, do u realise how powerful this is??
Thank you teacher , RIP.
Que grande, saludos desde Peru a todos mis herman@s que intentan mejorar cada dia, ustedes pueden
Thank you
This one really made me think of my own self and the best part is that everything he says made me seek to find the truth within myself what am I ? What pattern of thinking or belief I am affected by?
Absolutely true, and I think it would free the mankind from the pain caused by shakles devil of division.
one of my advantages in this world was knowing the krishna, otherwise life was impossible!
Wonderful teachings and wonderful human being. A treasure and rarity, even more in nowadays dark and lying societies..
"...the very search for truth, God or transcendental something, the very search is a projection of one's own desire - no? - and a contradiction to 'what is.'" ~ K (in the above talk)
Hitting the nail on its proper head!! 🙏
phenomenal intellect
Him Abraham hicks louis hay, greatest people i have ever listen to
With order he means purifying the ego. This means making consious what is unconsciously installed in you. All error what you cling to must be dropped one for one untill you are left with yourself. Then the mind is still, then you are no more, only god/awareness is. Then awareness will recognise awareness.
The best way of purifying your ego is by healing your own traumas.
With his last sentence he means: how can god seek for god. You are god already but you think you are a tiny ''me''. That is the illusion what must be dropped. This dropping feels like dying.
We haven't traumas we're healthy we are the spirit
So just we must realise our real nature
Our real condition
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In Zen Buddhism there is a saying "Seek non Seeking".
Yes when we stopped to seeking truth we found it and she started to seeking us
Extracts, extracts and extracts.
JK was a great philosopher
I continue to be equally mesmerized and confused by K. He asks questions of me, or urges me to ask these questions for myself, but I don't seem to know what to do with them. Or I think I do temporarily, I glimpse how this all operates within me, but I always end up back where I started - lost, suffering, divided.
Is it simply a matter of observing this duality operating in all its forms within my psyche? Simply watching, without creating a new strategy or goal out of that watching? How to not turn that into a strategy?
I remain always trapped, the division deepening, and my suffering is only amplifying.
If anyone can clarify some of this for me, I'd be very grateful.
I meet K. in book before ten years and
I am in the same state as you are till now.
Thinking is division.
Meaning comes where there is no time...
Try to remeber last time you were absorbed
compitely as a child. Do you expirience it now?
I find it there, but is unspeakable, unexplainable.
I think the inherent difficulty lies in us wanting to get somewhere, become something. Hence, we think of strategies, action plans. All these, I guess, are efforts of our selfish unconscious. So, there's always unconscious motives operating to this effect.
But the important point is, not to lose heart and face these inconvenient facts about ourselves. Not try to escape from them. And in perhaps their understanding, new doors might begin to open.
I feel this work is quite challenging, demanding 'immense patience'(in K's own words) and dedication as the tendency to lose track is quite common.
All the very best to us!!
Sorry, don't have much to say on how helping you, just from my personal experience but for doing analogies in what said, when i glimpse a peaceful state that operates inside me i don't feel dualities, i feel there is nothing else to seek, nothing to be achieved or reached coz i got everything in that non judgment state even if it just last for a few seconds and afterwards I feel the same tribulations, they are among the best in my life.
Stop watching, stop clinging, stop creating or marking a goal are among my most powerful tools and having the moto; the practice is the path, the practice is the aim, helps me a lot, and understanding or comprehension we stroll and hop between better and more complicated days or seasons in our lives which change a lot our daily perceptions and capacities.
Good luck in establishing your order.
@@pradeepprad very good point about the strategies, they are like the breath of the ego for it to don't vanish or disappear, but when the effortless is succeed is there when the ego goes away
Julian, the feelings of being lost, suffering and divided are expressed in the form of thoughts. They arise from the memory if one is not cautious about their negative nature. Shri Krishnamurti calls it inattention, and attention of this inattention the real attention. So, He says that if we can observe the arising of thoughts without being carried away by the content of them, and be completely aware of the danger of following them, the thoughts wither away. It is very important to remember that we should not have an sense of duality with the habit of thinking. We should acknowledge that this habit as part of us and cannot be opposed. Then there is no conflict with the habit of thinking. If it is known to be part of us, the possibility of observing habit without the sense of duality arises. Then we can also realise that there is nothing that one can do about it nor any need to do anything other than observing the habit without any choice, but being completely aware of the danger of being carried away by the habit of chattering within. This state is called "choiceless awareness". There is no effort involved in it.The choiceless awareness is the real intelligence. In that state, we can experience the quietude which Shri Krishnamurti calls as "Sanctity".
Hi, I wonder if there's anyone who applied JK's teachings-albeit he wouldn't accept this word-and undergone radical transformation? I'd like know if there're any.
If someone stick to meditation with grit one is bound to 'arrive' at what K says but then again, K can't word the Truth that he is trying to imply or point at, cuz it can't be put in words.
Currently doing that
K's teachings is very practical, just logical comprehension of his discourses would be the defeat of the very purpose. It demands a great deal of urgency and earnestness, as if the house is on fire and we have to pay immediate attention. If we could seriously and honestly go with what is said then there is an understanding, a perfect clarity.
He says to test it yourself. When you notice anger/attachment/fear/sorrow/etc etc in yourself, observe it with FULL ATTENTION, without thinking, without trying to change it or go beyond it, with care, only to observe. Then see what happens.
There may be or may not be someone who actually applied the teachings of K and undergone a radical transformation. This makes no sense here. The question is what about oneself. K is talking to each one of us. As a matter of fact there are no others. In oneself the whole history of humanity is embedded. Either one gathers all the energy to delve deep into oneself or one misses the whole thing. The job isn't for others but for oneself.
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Disorder arises when harmony is disturbed through conflict, contradiction, restriction, resistance, opposition ... battle against ideas, and so on, out of psychological division in establishing the ideas of i-my-me-mine and you-your or him-his-her-hers, etc. into fear of losing.
healing to disorder is then ... being able to understand oneself, as where ego has come about in my life, and stand alone in spite of it, and let others do the same ... maybe?....
I am split into two within, the ego and the original. Can I learn to know why and be able to share the same tool (the material/ biological me...), in mathematical harmony?....
I wish i perceive this
There is better meditation.. Its more of a "flowering" than an earlier conflicting movement within.
Possible de traduire en français ? Merci
Further part needs to be watched...what after order..
You are only in ORDER, when you are in NO MIND state! There is no division, disorder, discipline, contradiction only when there is No Identity!
So we dont have to seek, we dont have to search, we dont have to analyze or examine. We don t have to impose, to controll, to desire. Ok. So we have just to sit down and watching what happens? There is a method also for this? Why krishna doesn t say that all that he is explaining is nothing but sperimentation in a way that we don t know, for smthing that we don t konw. Just asking.
be in centre thast all
Bye suffering
Is order whole substance of life?? No not even
Of course, this depends on what you mean by "order".
Thank you
Thank you