George Lucas on toxic fandom and The Phantom Menace 1999 - BBC Newsnight
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- This is what George Lucas had to say about racial stereotyping and toxic fandom in The Phantom Menace back in 1999.
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"The movies are for children but they never want to admit that" just a big thank you to George for that one.
Off topic, but I always find it funny how he insists star wars is for kids and then makes confusing space politics one of the biggest plot elements in the prequels. Still love him, though.
@@jamessteadman933 Gotta educate them sometime about politics, might as well start early.
@@virgogaming6488 Indeed
Gee, I wonder why all those adults lined up to see Star Wars in 1977? It's a children's movie! Go home so kids can get tickets!
@@jamessteadman933 The best children's fiction is multilayered in such a way that adults get just as much enjoyment out of it from their perspective that's more grounded in the world's cultural mechanisms and the more "adult" side of life, without compromising the child's innocence.
Sorry for everything, George. But above all: Thank 'you' for everything.
I hate almost everything about the prequels (exept for the music, sounddesign and world/universe building....and space battle visuals of the end of ep 1 and the opening of ep 3 (i do hate the ship designs thow) ) but i will love George always for realising starwars at all and respect that he did what he wanted to make with the prequels althow it did not connect with that feeling that was created in me by the OT at all. (To see somebody with great imagination and lots of money go mental making an independent space fantasy spectacle is a sight to behold in itself.)
Most people artists loose their wild rebelious rough touch when they get older. (some exeptions to the rule like George Miller or David Bowie).
Technique gets better when you get older, but the fire is gone most of the time.
I can`t blame him for that.
@@kr1z23 I hate your spelling
@@anti-dreamstansunited3391 Well, for someone who has never been in an english speaking country its pretty good spelling i think....How is you dutch spelling?
@@kr1z23 I have never been into an English Speaking Country too, sooo
@@anti-dreamstansunited3391 touche
Oh boy the fandom hasnt changed at all
shrek fucksaoski mcfunking buttdoodle like the movie Edge Of tommorow
That is not true, they are much worse now.
They're so much worse now.
The militants have a different target now.
Hope you're not talking about the new movies cause that legitimately sucked.
I’m glad the internet didn’t exist for the original trilogy
Nobody hated the original trilogy when it came out, not even the worst movie of the trilogy. Those movies did everything right, the directing, the plot, the writing, the world-building, the visual effects(for the time), the music, and most importantly the editing(which is what saved the original movie in the first place.) The prequels were hated when they came out by everyone except little kids who ironically became the majority of the people on the internet 2 decades later, and grew up to revise history and swear up and down that they were never that bad. There's nothing to hate about the original trilogy and tbh not even the most extreme prequel and sequel fanboys hate on them. To make the assumption that it would have been hated by the internet back then is just a way to excuse the prequels for everything they did wrong and deflect criticism as irrational hate.
Mr. B actually the original trilogy was hated not to the extent prequels were but there was a increasing amount of criticism on the movie. There just wasn’t a way for people to needlessly hate on a product. Saying nobody hated the original trilogy is just plain wrong. That’s not even a criticism on the movie. People clearly had some gripes with the trilogy, otherwise it would’ve been like the citizen Kane of trilogies. It clearly wasn’t, there’s a reason the return of the Jedi is seen as a pretty subpar movie
@@williamnguyen8663 Return of the Jedi is seen as subpar in comparison to the original Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. That is nothing to be ashamed of lol, most would still put it over any movie in the prequels or the sequels. Obviously different people are going to have different gripes with different movies, but to make the assumption that a collective hated the original trilogy back in the 70s is false and you know it. All three movies were generally loved by audiences the same way all the LOTR movies were. You're trying to suggest that the hate between the prequels and the OT were somewhat similar and you know that's not the case.
Mr. B no I’m suggesting that the internet can be a toxic place. People didn’t like the Star Wars movies back then, it may have had a huge garnering audience but it still has its criticism. So saying “everyone loved it” is just false. Just becuase a lot of people liked it doesn’t mean everyone would like it. Lots of people like the Marvel movies, they’re decent but it’s clear not everyone likes it and it has some haters. The OT is the same way, it would’ve gotten a lot more hate today.
@@williamnguyen8663 That's a straw man. I said previously that everyone is different and has gripes with different movies. I never said every person on earth loved the original trilogy, I said generally they did which means that it was received positive by most people who saw it and critics alike. I know for a fact you don't think that TPM had a similar reaction at release and if you do think so you are deluding yourself.
My left ear enjoyed this
Red Boy cool
I thought my headphones were broke phew
i was about to comment That
...you mean right ear right
Red Boy my right ear felt offended
Christ it’s amazing how much of this is still bloody relevant to today’s fandom except it’s gotten a hell of a lot worse if you ask me.
It did get alot worse when disney took over.
@@Quigon-93 No new Legends _since_ *_2019._* They'd rather blur the lines of canon to try to confuse people to what story takes place in which timeline, the old one or the new one, and the new one is quite derivative and mostly watered-down rehashes of past glories, made less interesting by hawkish individuals. Yes, it's just been dark times. Despite the issues I have with George Lucas, I miss the spirit of Star Wars we've had since the seventies and that ended with Disney.
@@Quigon-93 Disney is a scary fucking entity when you really dig into it. Actually it's been becoming more obvious in recent times; you don't even have to dig into it to get a general idea of their (the shot-callers at Disney) real nature.
I would say the fandom learns on their mistakes. They mostly criticise the plot and character writing, rather than some artistic choices, which are subjective.
@@Сайтамен Umm... No at all. Maybe you see a different part of the fandom but a good chunk of it is toxic. When Kenobi was released literally the whole internet was shitting on them for being racist weirdos. The SW fandom has always been toxic & will continue to be so.
"There's something wrong about a movie being childlike. (In a movie that is for children but they don't want to admit that.)"
Damm George just blasting people and spitting FACTS!
I hated star wars as a kid, now that I understand the actual plot I like it much more. I also feel like the sequels were made for an older audience.
i got nothing against the binks
he's annoying but other than that i don't see anything wrong
@@padme2552 what's wrong with him being annoying ?
AYAN KHAN THE BEST
just annoying
Jar jar is supposed to make kids laugh. Why else did George said star wars was a kids movie.
He adds a little realism to the proceedings; we all know a plonker 😆
People hating Star Wars? It’s nothing new.
The hate for the prequels and sequels is all the same to me.
@@AndrewChapman No, it's not. Prequels were hated for some dialogue, use of CGI and humour (which is understandable, but also subjective). Sequels are hated for illogical plot and destruction of all beloved characters, their achievements and lore. That's objective and way more important part of the story.
I love how George Lucas just shrugged off "rascist" Jar Jar. That was always absurd to me that people thought that.
Pidgin English is sometimes used for racial stereotypes. One of the reasons Song of the South is in the vault is because of the language. I didn't know for a long time that Br'er Rabbit was really "Brother Rabbit". It is painful to listen to Jar Jar. He could have used speaking lessons and exercises to control his limbs. The Trade Federation accents are painful too.
When you examine all the other instances of him blatantly doing this it makes perfect sense, they instinctively went to the easiest one to defend. Almost self-report territory, even.
@@TheVenomousBeetle Yeah, I saw Honest Trailers - Phantom Menace 3D. ua-cam.com/video/0sKRRY5tQz8/v-deo.html
Lucas said Jar Jar Binks was influenced by Goofy. But it was in _The Secret History of Star Wars_ that they said he was also influenced by Buster Keaton, Lincoln Perry, the highest-paid black comedian of the 1930s (a.k.a. Stepin Fetchit) and a Jamaican Rastafarian.
That's exactly how you deal with "cancel culture"; people try to stretch your work to seem unethical in some bizarre way that's not even slightly grounded in reality to feel power over you in hopes of getting the pleasure of watching you bend the knee and fall in line - the best way to respond is to not take them seriously in the slightest, and make that so abundantly clear that even the most dumb person could see that you couldn't care less.
@@mikeexits This past month Republican Cancel Culture is ending Holocaust Studies in a Tennessee school (banning Maus) and ending Black History in schools across the country, by banning books by Black authors talking about discrimination.
I grew up with the prequels so I love them.
TFDP117 same but I think ep 3 was my favorite and by far the best. Looking back on them I think episodes 1 and 2 were pretty bad but 3 was much better. I at least appreciated some ideas of the PT, unlike the current film trilogy which is bland boring and rather sterile
Adam Hutchinson ikr
Adam Hutchinson yeah
@@aamirrazak3467 Ep 1 wasn't bad at all. 2 was pretty weak.
I didn't grow up with the prequels and I love them
He's talking about the Fandom Menace in 2019.
He's talking about the fans hating back then. This was from 1999. There have always been those that hated on star wars and their fans. As far back as 77 when it first came out, people have criticized the films and the fans who loved it
@@darylabrams2 The haters have always been the same, the Fandom Menace haters are the same assholes from 1997 and 1999. They didn't want George anymore, now they're stuck with Disney, too bad, their fault.
No one hates Star Wars more than the fandom.
@@millabasset1710 As logical as that sounds that's actually not true. Most of the sequel haters I've seen are people who grew up with the prequels and are using the negative response the sequels get to show how much better the prequels were because they were kids when they saw them so of course they're gonna wanna defend their childhood movies. I just don't support the way they do it by bullying the actors and directors instead of actually criticizing them. They're acting exactly like the OT fans did to George when the prequels were new and hated.
@@redkinsley4251 its like u didnt even watch the video lol, i forgot ppl like u exist who only hear what u wanna hear
@techno639 thats bullshit, it doesnt matter who did it, there was a mix of different ppl who hated on George Lucas, but Mark Layhee is right, it was mainly the original trilogy purists and sheeps... but i agree with that, ppl shouldnt bully the actors of the sequel trilogy(i liked the force awakens, but it felt like it was writing itself in a corner at the same time tbh)
And the Star Wars fan base is still like this, till this day
AlphaMunky And it always will be unfortunately :/
Yeah but dont feel sorry for rian johnson tho
The Rian Johnson mess is a whole different thing. Way beyond old Star Wars criticism. Robots and Jar Jar is nothing compared to what Johnson did.
Dwayne Cole Nah some people need to seriously grow up, that’s all. It’s the same shite, whining manbabies crying about children’s movies. It was the same then, it’s the same now
Exactly. Some people are way too passionate about a series of movies made for kids.
Loved TPM back when I was 9 and still love it today almost 20 years later.
Same except I was 11 when it came out. Glad to know I'm not the only fan of it.
@@mish375 There's a lot of people who like them, but most of the fans are ashamed to admit it for some reason. Though I feel like the prequels have gained a lot more respect since Disney+ came out. I guess people who avoided them because of toxic word of mouth are giving them a chance now they have them available to stream..
@@Digital111 It's weird. Like people really loved TPM in the theatre. I never understood the hatred. And my aunt - no joke - loves Jar Jar and thought he stole the show. For my part, I was neutral on the character as he served his purpose perfectly fine. I wasn't a fan of AOTC, but I can respect where George was going with it. (I get the sense that he has so many ideas that sometimes he has a hard time organizing/executing them). ROTS I initially didn't like; but when I rewatched it I realized it had nothing to do with the film and more to do with a bad family situation happening at the time it came out. It hit too close to home. But now I love ROTS as well now that I've given it a proper viewing.
I don't know if some people just hated on the prequels because it became fashionable to do so, or whether some of the hardcore fans were a major influence. Either way, no one involved deserved the harassment they got.
Love the Prequels!
My condolences.
Fuck off Hirnlego99 toxic fan!
"I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere." Need I say more?
That's not the fault of Hayden, he played the role really well. You just don't like the character.
Hayden could not act, absolutely appalling....
All of you want him back now, when he was there you didnt care. I was around, I remember going to see Phantom Menace, and the fanboys were just as stupid and obnoxious as grown men walking out of 'Last Jedi'.
"They want the films to be tough like Terminator, and they get very upset and opinionated about anything that has anything to do with being childlike."
Star Wars fans haven't changed in 20+ years.
Well, fan reaction towards The Last Jedi proved once again how toxic the Star Wars community can be at its worst, even though the very same kind of entitled fanboy is responsible for George Lucas selling his company in the first place.
So, to those of you who now wish for Lucas to return and take over again, it‘s a bit late to apologise, isn‘t it? (If you, like myself, never had a problem with him in the first place, consider yourself excluded from this statement.)
And, for crying out loud, please leave poor Rian Johnson alone. Your free to like, dislike or even hate his movie, but that doesn‘t justify threatening him online (which I have seen a fair amount of people do since TLJ‘s release). He was trying his best and besides, no one deserves that kind of treatment regardless. Just imagine yourself being put into a situation where you have to direct and write a movie that will be watched by a massive audience. Regardless of your decisions, you‘re not going to please everybody. And given that the Star Wars fandom had already been divided prior to TLJ, it was only a matter of time until someone had to take all the blame.
Thank you finally someone who isn't a total sociopathic the star wars fanbase
Except there's videos of Rian Johnson saying he wants to make movies where HALF of the people who saw it don't like it. Except RJ has directly and personally engaged with the toxicity only furthering it. He hasn't acted professionally at all and his movie sucks. When the cast of TLJ was asked if they had anything positive to say about RJ as their writer there was DEAD SILENCE. Until someone said "he writes fast". RJ isn't some innocent starry eyed new kid trying his best. He was deliberately trying to "subvert expectations" in a franchise that only got worse the more slapstick it got. TLJ opens with a "yo mama" joke ffs...
@@CoercedJab disney made a bad decision in picking directors, that doesnt mean we shud tell him to die lol.. wait serious question, but are u actually trying to justify fans telling him to die?
i was part of the fandom menace until i realized how toxic & obliviously self-righteous they are, imo & fact but sjw & fandom menace are no different from eachother, just a different brand of toxicity :sssssssssss
have u seen the "George Lucas raped out childhood" video? here it is....
my point is, the fandom menace have been toxic especially in the past, and they think they have nothing to apologize for & never will, even if they come to that realization, they'll feel too shameful about it, like Leon K said, "it's a bit late to apologise, isn't it"? in my humble opinion, *the fandom menace got just what they deserved; disney star wars & retcons after retcons*.
ua-cam.com/video/wzDIClx-_pY/v-deo.html
my toxic opinion; I HATE U ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(but this isnt directed to u if ur actually a reasonable person, this is more directed at the fandom menace, i actually like some specific ppl in the fandom menace so its kinda sad, im not saying they shud have the same opinion as me, but i wish they wud think for themselves, but i still like them even if they are sheeps)
(warning, its harder to have ur own opinion in the fandom menace because they'll immediately call u a shill if ur opinion differs in any way lol[happened to me, happened to the youtuber 'starwarstheory'], plus having ur own opinion will be hard because rejection feels bad, so i wouldnt recommend this unless ur ready for rejection, but then again life is too short so its probably better to be a sheep & never changing anything, &to try to be happy, its ur life, please do as u want, but avoid hurting ppl)
imo the fandom menace still putting down jar jar binks by calling jj abrhams jar jar abrahms is disgusting, have they learned nothing when the actor of jar jar binks was going to suicide himself?
everyone, the sjw, fandom menace, media, hollywood, keeps saying the most ridiculous/untrue things, but if we're being realistic here, that will never stop because humanity is built on strife & conflict, so thats normal i guess, the only thing we can do here is minimize it as much as we can, but only by someone smart(not me) lol, maybe thats u, who knows, or maybe nobody & everything just gets worse and worse
Notice: sorry for this long rant, Leon K, if u want me to delete this comment, i'll delete it, and my first reaction to ur comment when i saw it was "HEAR HEAR, HEAR HEAR, I LOVE U, FINALLY SOMEONE WHO HAS THE EXACT SAME OPINION AS ME, A COMRADE IN ARMS!!!!!!!!! ".
The difference is: George Lucas wanted to tell a great story as he intended and didn't really care what the reaction of the fandom is. Rian Johnson purposefully tried to troll the fandom by adding the most absurd things into the movie, and when people expectedly didn't like it, he called them racists, sexists, manbabies, and said that no criticism of his movie has been valid. He is a shitty writer and an egomaniac.
I wish we got to see the REAL sequel trilogy from George Lucas.
A bunch of whills running around does not sound fun
Major Grin Not everything needs to be "fun" like a Marvel movie. I find his idea for the sequel trilogy extremely interesting, it's something that only a genius like Lucas could come up with.
Major Grin yeah and the sjw sequels have been a hell of fun...
SuperNavatar "A New Hope was saved in the editing room" is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Every movie gets cut and edited. God I just don't understand why everyone wants to hate on Lucas but dickride the OT which he also created.
SuperNavatar "holding it's own with TLJ" LMFAO. That's the joke of the century. TLJ has the worst writing out of all the films.
The hate for the prequels are nothing more than a bandwagon, and the haters now it. Disney didn’t betray Lucas. His fans did.
Disney and the trolls did
artisan te ptrequels had shitty things sometimes of course itd be disliekd dofus
Jar Jar is ten times better than Holdo or Tico...
Everything is wrong with Jar Jar.
He would have been a town fool if he even survives long enough. Then in the next movie he partakes in politics? Hah.
Jar Jar Binks was enjoyable if you were a child. Tico and Holdo were bad whether you're an adult or child.
Jar Jar>Rose
Alex
I think yours was funnier
And twenty times better than L3-37. God, I hated that droid.
We all love you George! Hope he will direct a Star Wars movie again.
From the looks of it, he will never direct anything again.
How long before he's too old to work? Poor guy ~_~
The militant tendency (The Fandom Menace II) broke him! If he EVER gets involved in Star Wars again it will only be as a consultant...and even that isn't a given.
That's not gonna happen. You guys ripped his soul from his body when he made the prequels, and now you're begging him to come back? No wonder he's done directing star wars.
@@evertonporter7887 Hasn't he been present on some of the newer SW sets? I remember that he was on the set of TROS.
George is 100% right. Ahmed Best almost committed suicide because of these bullies.
little did he now the fandom would only get worse
It certainly seems worse now since Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney.
Most of those same fans who bashed Lucas for the prequels are now praising him like a God after Disney bought the franchise.
Now they are moving their hatred towards JJ and Rian Johnson.
Just wait until another 8-10 years go by and they will talk about how The Last Jedi was a masterpiece once Episode XV comes out.
Fanbases are usually annoying people in general. They don't call them "fanatics" for nothing. The Star Wars fans in particular have this obsession for the past so once the films age they will grow more and more fond of the movies while expressing negativity towards anything new from the series.. it's an endless cycle of stupidity with a hint of insanity
I for one love ALL the movies. I know, blasphemy...for a Star Wars fan to love all the SW movies but hey...it’s my opinion
MattWagnerMovies me too
More power to you.
If you threaten or make the actors a target because you didn't like a particular movie then you have some growing up to do.
Ok, I didn't like the prequels at all, but I know that some did and that's fine. It didn't "rape" my damn childhood or anything, in fact chances are high that if the original trilogy would come out now (with updated looks) I would not like them so much as a grown up I demand a bit more..
It was mainstream media outlets and high profile film critics that did all that, not "toxic fans".
I've read all about it... there are millions and millions of fans upset with The Last Jedi and the current direction of Star Wars under it's new owners, all it takes is one person out of those millions to edit a Wookieepedia page.
The alleged harassment of Kelly Marie Tran's instagram has no evidence to back it up, and it's just as likely that she temporarily disabled her Instagram account due to a Non-Disclosure Agreement seeing as Episode 9 is starting to film.
"white male fandom problem"... I am not even going to read that racist sexist titled piece of propoganda/social engineering.
From the Ahmed Best article "20 years next year I faced a media backlash that still affects my career today." - Ahmed Best.
You can see countless articles from back in the day with mainstream media outlets bashing Ahmed Best, Jake Lloyd, and George Lucas.
There is even a hugely ironic and hypocritical "comic" that was created recently slamming "toxic fan harassment", from a guy who drew a cartoon back in the day of himself chopping off George Lucas' head with a Lightsaber.
I've been very vocal in my dislike for The Last Jedi, but I have been polite in that and given my reasonings (absolutely nothing to do with some strawman "sexist, racist" problems, purely writing and creative issues), yet I have been verbally attacked and insulted by hundreds of "Pro-The Last Jedi" fans, just for stating my opinions and criticism.
90% of the "toxic fans" have been on the opposite side to those who criticised The Last Jedi from my own experiences.
A "toxic fan" is a fan that lets their personal views affect the way they treat others. That includes TLJ supporters who bash TLJ haters and TLJ haters who bash TLJ supporters. It also include people who harass the cast because they didn't like their particular character. In most of these cases its people who disliked the film.
To say that the media is behind the harassment of the sequel trilogy when I have seen the awful comments on Kelly Marie Tran's Instagram page is straight up false. It wasn't just on her page but on any post relating to Rose or The Last Jedi.
I'm not sure if it is your intention but you come across as very biased in your comment when you say you didn't like the film and then claim that it's not the fans who drove her off social media and that it was in fact the media itself.
Your argument regarding who deactivating her account because IX is in production is extremely flimsy. If that was the case why haven't all the cast been asked to do this and the cast of any big franchise done this. If that was true way haven't Marvel studios which is also owned by Disney done this especially with the likes of Tom Holland who is notorious for spoiling his films. Like I already stated I saw the comments myself. I know you don't have to take my word for it. The official Star Wars twitter page made a statement on the actress' decision the leave social media. www.cnet.com/news/star-wars-actor-kelly-marie-tran-deletes-instagram-after-harassment/
The Phantom Menace may have had issues with the media attacking the cast but you can't deny that fans had involvement in that regardless of what the media was doing.
However blaming "white male fans" for the Hate is completely unfair and articles like that should not be used as sources due to how you said "racist and sexist" but either why people should respect other's opinions and especially the cast themselves no matter the out come of their character in a film.
The "Star Wars Facts" page is just a fan page, nothing official about it. Even Rian Johnson stated he doesn't know why Tran deactivated her Instagram posts. The "examples" of the harassment shown on that link are extremely mild. - twitter.com/trekkiebabble/status/1003994187597950977
I get 10x worse just for giving my critiques of the film online. I appreciate your side of the story, likewise I am just giving my own, most of the hatred and "toxicity" I have seen has been from people "defending" The Last Jedi, not the detractors.
I think we are both in agreement that harassment of cast members is totally out of order, I've called out Rian Johnson on his decisions, but never made things personal or insulting/hateful/aggressive, we even had a short discussion on Twitter where he came the closest ever to apologising for The Last Jedi (albeit wording it in such a way that he was sorry for my disappointment, not the millions of others fans that likely make up at least 50% of the die-hard Star Wars fans).
The "racist, sexist" buzz words are just being used to demonise anyone who criticises the film, and a cheap tool of propaganda to paint all of them with a bad brush, making their critiques seem worthless, and distracting from the actual problems being argued about the film and it's writing.
AJD OLD CHANNEL ARCHIVE your right, I didn’t realise it wasn’t the offical Star Wars page. Either way it’s quite obvious that it was the hate that drove her of Instagram.
I find myself arguing with people for both sides. If I see someone commenting the last Jedi is the worst movie ever for no reason I’ll argue with them and when I see someone saying it’s the best Star Wars movie I do the same. But when ever I see either of these comments it’s the comments that hate the film that are cruel. The only comments I see that support it are usually pretty civil and don’t attack anyone who hate it. That same thing goes when I’m actually have these arguments. I always try the be civil in these discussions but the people who hate the film are the people who are rude. I don’t doubt that there are “aggressive supporters” but I don’t see them nearly as often as people who hate the film.
If people would have not complained so much about Jar Jar Binks, George would have made him a Sith lord like he originally planned.
that wasn't what he planned, fans came up with that theory.
to imply is to tease not to confirm.
or he just had no idea and wanted to make a quick joke.
Cynic: a person who believes that people are motivated purely by self-interest rather than acting for honorable or unselfish reasons. that describes nothing on what i said.
We know that he would have played a bigger part in the story. Being a sith lord wasn't confirmed
I was OK with the Phantom Menace but I thought the Jar Jar character was silly and cringy rather than funny. I thought it was a bad storytelling choice to have Anakin as a child rather than a teenager. Loved the Darth Maul character and wish there had been more of him. Don't expect everyone to agree with me. I don't hate anything about the Prequals but every production has it's flaws and everyone is entitled to critique.
I didn't mind JarJar per se, but thought that he outstayed his welcome by perhaps a scene or two. Not bad, but a bit overexposed. Kids did like him at the time, which counts for something. As for Anakin, well, Lucas isn't a particularly good director even with adult actors (I think it was Liam Neeson who complained that Lucas gave him almost no guidance on how to play his character); and it takes a particular touch to give child actors good direction. Chris Columbus or Spielberg could probably have done a much better job with Anakin.
Yeah, I would rather have seen Anakin as an older (maybe 12 to 14) more streetwise kid, but I also thought his young age made it more noteworthy that he was able to do things other humans couldn't, like pod racing.
I didn't mind Jar-Jar, overall, but they could have toned it down a little. He was too much of a buffoon too often and the humor wore thin. They scaled him back in the other films, at least.
Jar Jar and child Anakin were there to signify innocence. One of the main arcs of the first 6 films is the loss of and return to innocence.
The problem with episode 1 wasn't the age of anakin's, it was the casting of padme. She was already a young woman and so to see her apposite a kid and then in episode 2 be romantically attached to him as a man was hard to accept. Natalie Portman opposite Hayden Christenden was great, but opposite Jake Lloyd I felt was a mistake.
Constructive Criticism is one thing...But, Destructive Criticism seems to be a trend, especially on Social Media.
Those fans are now getting shafted by Disney! It's what they deserve after the way they treated George Lucas.
Based
They aren’t getting shafted, they are just pathetic and need to understand that it’s fiction
I never bashed George. Do I deserve to be shoved away because they haven't updated Legends since 2019? I never bullied Jake Lloyd or Ahmed Best. I do not follow the reboot timeline, so I don't even know who Kelly Marie Tran IS.
@@eggboi5982 Fiction can be good and bad.
Phantom Menace, as a 90s movie, still holds up today. It’s probably my favorite SW movie, tbh.
For those of you who loved the Prequels and condemn what these group of Fans did to George Lucas, know that you'd be no different to them if you'd harrass Rian Johnson just because you did not like The Last Jedi. It should go both ways; If you condem the hate lashed at George Lucas for his objectively bad Prequels, you should have the same sentimate against the toxic hate Rian Johnson received for his divisive Star Wars film, The Last Jedi.
Litshttam
That's true. My point is, however, that the condemnation of the Lucas-bashing should also be held to the same standard for any filmmaker who makes a "bad" Star Wars film. "Critique the movie, don't harasse the Filmmakers" is all I'm trying to say.
@@michaeloquendo11 I agree. TFA, TLJ and TROS are bad movies (the first was decent) that contradict the lore of the movies, but Abrams and Johnson do not deserve to die over them.
Except Rian and JJ weren’t harassed for 20 years, they’ve not had their careers ruined because nobody wants to work with them, etc.
And how I, II and III are objectively bad is beyond me.
How are the prequels 'objectively bad', yet The Last Jedi simply 'divisive'? Am I right to translate that as 'I happen to dislike the prequels too, but personally enjoyed Episode VIII' (yes)?
The prequels are not objectively bad movies.
Star Wars has always been primarily for children. Lucas was, after all, trying to capture the feel of those old Flash Gordon serials of his youth.
Now there's an interesting thought: were the skeletons steaming or smoking? Or both? Maybe the weapons used against them burnt them to a crisp so they were both incinerated and the last of their bodily fluids was evaporating into the air as well as the smoking of the remains? Fascinating.
@@Foebane72 Sounds like the time when G-rated movies weren't taken seriously by adults. Some studios asked for a PG rating for their movies so they'd do better at the box office.
It's sad that a lot of the fandom is still like this today. Actually, the toxicity is even worse now compared to what is was back in those days. Legitimate criticism is one thing, but being a hate filled asshole is something else entirely.
Nobody hated the robots in the original. He's reaching.
He added exposition, otherwise it would be 2 robots beeping at each other for 20 minutes like the SW Holiday Special
No he's not reaching, I remember. The humorous characters in the Star Wars movies have always been a target of derision by certain fans and critics. Many joked about the droids being gay and how stupid they were. Then came the Ewoks, and they hated them immensely.
This guy wasn't even born at the time of ANH's release, most likely. Don't listen to him.
AbstractM0use Agreed about original fans thinking the two droids were gay, they even explicitly mention it in The Simpsons.
No, he actually isn't. Chewbacca was also somewhat controversial. Take a look for some magazine reviews from the 70s and 80s. They're scarce but not too difficult to find. In fact, TESB was divisive and ROTJ was absolutely slammed when it first came out - initial reviews gave it about a 35%, Empire about 55%
George is so right.he understands so much how people think.and right about the fans.i love jar jar
Crazy how the fandom has gotten worse eventhough the quality of the films is significantly higher than the prequels (which I actually love).
Except Disney doesn't have honorable motives like George did - they amplify it and reflect it back, so it makes every little problem we had before a thousand times worse.
TPM shows why Anakin is so important, his strong attachment to his mom, why Obi-Wan wasn't right teacher to him, why he hates Tatooine, Jedi rules, Palpatine becoming chancellor, world building, etc...And of course, podracing and Darth Maul.
AOTC actually tells a great story (Palpatine's rise to power by manipulation Republic and Separatists, Anakin's progression of falling to the Dark Side, start of the Clone Wars), develops characters, shows us real war, new planets, species, ships, droids, world, and has strong connection with 1 and 3.
What does ROTS show us? The largest battle in the Clone Wars, deaths of Dooku and Grievous, Kashyyk battle, Anakin's conflict with Jedi and himself, his weakness (save who he loves), which perfectly works with saving Luke, Palpatine's manipulation and rise to power, Order 66, 2 amasing final battles and the creation of Darth Vader and Empire, birth of Luke and Leia, new hope. It is meaning for the whole Galaxy and is the most emotional.
TFA is a copypaste of ANH without any logic, good characters, with stupid jokes, infinite coincidences, which retconned whole OT: Empire hasn't fallen, Sith aren't gone, no Jedi Order, no New Republic, Han and Leia are not together, Luke left everyone like a coward, etc...
TLJ is not a movie, it's middle-finger to all star wars fans. Stupid jokes in each serious moment, ruining old characters, copy of OT, not answering any questions, breaking the lore, pointless sequences.
TROS: Somehow Palpatine has returned, lol.
AOTC is 100 times better than any of this hot mess.
George Lucas is wise and calm when asked these questions.
The only thing I didn't like with the prequels was when the end credits rolled and I had to go home.
Extremely well made films and the storytelling is perfect.
Agreed.
Phantom menace holds a special place in my heart cuz it was 1 of 2 times my dad took me to the theaters 1 on 1 (the 2nd time was the force awakens)
Attack of the clones could have been a bit better. Maybe work on Anakin just a bit to have him be this great guy whose fall would destroy us as well.
Loved revenge of the sith.
Fans not liking something doesn't make them toxic
I don't know why he says that people hate R2 and 3PO. I don't remember ever hearing that.
Didn't you think that 3PO was whiny and complaining for most of the movie, not to mention a bit "too" buddy with R2? I would hate to have a character like that in my favourite movie.
Some of the earliest critical reviews criticized 3PO and R2. That is true.
@@Foebane72 The point C3PO became sympathetic was when he thought his companions had been killed in the trash compactor and blamed himself. Had he said, "I've lost my ride," then he'd be a total selfish prick.
I'm happy that fanboys are always miserable.
I actually liked Jar Jar🖖
Friendly character to lighten up the cold hard steely setting.
Dan Bee totally agreed i think he's an ok character however he didn't have to stand in shit now did he
The setting isn't really hard and steely though is it
Me too. I like the Gungans in general as a SW species/race. :{J
Rob Yagenmyer But he was inentionally written that way. Jar Jar was exiled by his own kind, the Jedi's found him annoying, C3-P0 himself called Jar Jar "odd", etc.
But he did have 'use' as proven in the story of Episode 1. Then he becomes General and then proxy Senator and even gives Palpatine the 'emergency powers' to rule the galaxy. It's disingenuous to act like he had no role in the prequels just because you disliked him.
Fans hated him because they were butthurt middle aged men who couldn't handle a comic-relief character aimed at kids. He's basically an interpretation of Disney's Goofy and that gets neckbeards in a twist.
BL NL Lol you're actually expecting people to read that?
The people screaming and crying at the new trilogy acting as if they are doing it for George Lucas when in reality he probably can’t stand them
The prequels are an unmitigated disaster. Those movies are absolute garbage.
notice. even though he is describing why the fans are upset, he does not blame them or demonize them. He does this respectfully, unlike what happens now.
Yeah but later on it eventually got worse and he felt burnt out on making star wars. With the current situation we have with disney i couldn't imagine how many people are feeling burnt out.
Let's all admit it Star Wars fans will never be satisfied.
Nope, nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
I'm satisfied with the Mandalorian, although them boating over lava underground was pretty stupid.
I think the prequels were great lore-wise even if the way the movie were made was pretty average. One thing that made Mandalorian really great is the lore, we're getting more OG star wars stories than the sequels that kinda wanted to reinvent everything, especially about how the force works.
I do not follow the Disney timeline, there should be room for both in the fandom. What makes the prequels watchable to me is when you have the EU, and they threw that out in 2014, refusing to allow it to continue to be expanded. Jedi Apprentice alone changes your perspective of Phantom Menace, when you know all this backstory about Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan - taking on Xanatos, saving the Jedi Temple, their friendships with Tahl and Bant and others, fine writing that Disney treats like garbage and gets so jealous about when you bring it up, to the point they don't want to even acknowledge there ARE fans of Legends left. Rise of Skywalker, the plot is completely derivative of Dark Empire, except with inferior writing, and they don't have the decency to admit where they got those damned ideas. It's decisions like this which show that we should never have been so harsh to George Lucas, because I miss the honorable motives he had as a benevolent brand monarch. Disney has none of that. And it's truly dark times for a creative Star Wars exploding with ideas and original creative vision.
George Lucas is probably the most visionary creative of the past 100 years, surpassing even J.R.R Tolkien. What a shame he got ousted out of his creation, and lied to by Kathleen Kennedy and Disney. They promised to use his story treatments and "make great movies out of them", then as soon as they got control, they said they didn't want to use his stories... What a tragedy.
You’re delusional if you think Lucas has surpassed Tolkien. I would say George R.R. Martin has surpassed Lucas, but he has yet to surpass Tolkien.
Grr Martin´s hasn´t even finished his main and most popular story, one that he started over 20 years ago. He´s a very good storyteller but he hasn´t surpassed Lucas, and thinking of him surpassing Tolkien is impossible to me
George R.R Martin is basically a Tolkien rip-off with added "edgy teenager" themes which detract over all.
George Lucas created the largest and deepest fictional universe, focusing on important and beneficial themes that have changed the lives of millions of children, from every subsequent generation after the 1980's.
Spirituality, philosophy, metaphysics, ethics/morality, rebellion against corruption/tyranny, showing how democracy can become dictatorship beneath everyone's noses, or even "with thunderous applause".
Lucas brought all these things back into the forefront of mainstream society, after it being hammered out by media and governments for the prior 100 years or so, in an attempt to create a brainwashed society of mindless worker drones.
For those reasons, George Lucas to me is thoroughly underrated as an influence on society as a whole.
I suppose Lucas is more of a visual visionary and Tolkien was more of a literary visionary.
Yep sure, but we also can't forget the ways that Lucas changed the world of cinema and film/technology.
Star Wars changed the world of visual FX like nothing else before it in 1977, he then pioneered digital sound mixing, creating THX and Skywalker Sound, CGI graphics, created ILM and Pixar (later bought out by Steve Jobs), pioneered digital film/cinema (Attack of the Clones being I believe the first feature film to be shot and projected digitally). LucasArts was also one of the most celebrated video game developers of the early 1990's, later becoming more of a publishing company.
The guy made so many things a reality that did not exist before him, both creatively and technically.
People probably didn't like Threepio, but Artoo has always been popular
Ha! Maybe that's why Daniels didn't like Baker.
For all the intense hate Lucas and the Prequels received I don't think he ever turned on the fans/twisted their criticisms like Rian Johnson has.
When has Rian Johnson ever turned on the fans or twisted their criticism? I understand that you didn't like his movie, but this disingenuous bull shit is just fucking awful, you should be ashamed of yourself.
ed1rko17
He, and Kathleen Kennedy to a different degree, *constantly* twists fans criticism around and deflects it as the work of insecure men who hate/are threatened by women or he just outright ignores those who dislike his work. If you like Rian Johnson that's fine, if you like The Last Jedi that's fine aswell, but you're fucking blind or an idiot if you think he's acted in any way the same as Lucas when it comes to responding to fan hatred or acted completely rationally in general. Just listen to how Johnson practically sucks himself off on the DVD commentary for Episode 8, he's a pretentious man who thinks his work is that of a god.
Okay, and you still haven't shown me any evidence of this. You don't have to personally attack the guy, and make up lies about him because you don't like his movie. It's fucking pathetic. It's a movie a guy made to make kids happy, grow up.
ed1rko17
Show you evidence? Do you actually want me to link you to EVERY one of his tweets or interviews where he acts like an immature man deflecting criticisms by shifting blame for his faulty creative decisions? I'm not going to do that. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of videos on UA-cam (I see like 12 of them in my sidebar right now) that show the stupidity and hypocrisy of Lucasfilm/Rian Johnson and all you have to do is look, and if you think I'm making this up you clearly are out of the loop and shouldn't have even replied to me since you don't know ANY of the facts. Also a couple of things, first; The Last Jedi sure as shit isn't a kids film, it tried far too hard to be a deep and serious experience and was more mature than most other entries in the series, I also disagree with the notion that the series is only for children. I agree that a lot of Star Wars is unnecessarily taken too seriously by a lot of fans but George Lucas saying "It's for kids, get over it" is just a lame excuse to explain his failings. The movies were always decent Science-Fantasy that appealed to *all* ages. Besides even if The Last Jedi was a kids film that wouldn't suddenly excuse Rian Johnson's behavior, hell it would probably make it worse because not only would he be taking a kids film embarrassingly seriously but he;d be fighting way to hard to defend it. Can you imagine someone going on twitter rants defending The Boss Baby for example? Secondly, I'm not trying to personally attack Johnson, I'm just pointing out the ways he is a bad man because YOU seen to not know and accuse me of making it up. I'm not going to carry on this conversation with you anymore since you seem both dead set in your opinion and laughably ill-informed.
EVERY single one? No, how about even just showing me ONE? Show me just ONE instance where he has been disrespectful to anyone for just simply disliking the movie, I promise you won't be able to. The dude has been a class act with how he's responded to criticism, the only times he was negative towards anyone in regards to the movie was in response to literal harassment towards his friends and cast that they receive daily from fucking losers like you. I follow the guy on Twitter, I've seen him stick up for fans that didn't even like his movie. You're a piece of shit. Personally attacking a man because you didn't like his children's space wizard movie. Get a fucking life.
jar jar is the key to all of this
It's like poetry, it rhymes
He wrote a bad character. It was performed and presented poorly. We didn’t imagine what was put on screen.
No character development. He doesn't learn to speak better or move more carefully; and you don't see him befriending or mentoring Annie. Even more important if Obi-Wan calls him a pathetic character then shouldn't we feel the same?
I liked the prequels, especially The Phantom Menace (which I think was the best of the three).
Come at me.
Revenge of the Sith
I both liked Phantom Menace and didn't like it as a Star Wars movie.
Now people love the prequels and they hate the Disney Star Wars trilogy.
Next people who grew up with the Disney Star Wars trilogy are going to love that and hate the next trilogy.
Who the hell doesn’t like R2 and C3PO?
Tom M i don't like c3po
Those last remarks he made about the toxic fanbase are exactly what you see now with the sequel trilogy/spin offs
I've been accused of that simply because I don't follow the post-reboot content (with no real actual malice for it - I respect its fans, but I can't consume it) because I want to follow the ORIGINAL stories with my favorite characters, and Disney refuses to let the EU be expanded under the Legends banner. It just really makes you miss the days we had George Lucas at the helm, because at least his motives were noble. He would have no issues green-lighting new Legends. Disney has none of that. It is an absolute to them, or bust.
No audio on the right channel. Come on!
Someone needs to explain to Lucas why he was RIDICULOUSLY wrong in saying people hated R2D2 and C3PO in ANH. What on earth was he on about in trying to desperately justify the Jar Jar character in TPM.
I don't hate TPM myself. It's a passable film, not a very good Star wars film sadly though, and yes people hated Jar Jar because he was a badly conceptualized and realised character. Simple. R2 AND 3PO went on to appear in 7 Star Wars films to date.
Lie lie lie, I was there in 1977, everyone loved the droids.
There was a Droids cartoon. Is that what he meant? I think he's still upset people weren't over the moon for Howard the Duck.
The only thing Racist about Jar Jar is the fact that people identified him as a racist character, same goes for the Nemodians.
Georgie put the smackdown on the neckbeards what an icon
I know, George is still the Master, he should write the next 3 Star Wars, Liberals need to stop hating.
But we must criticize the master, we must criticize him, he must hate. He must hate again.
For the record, I understand why people got upset about Jar Jar, but he didn't bothered me that much at the time. Now..... Jar Jar looks pretty good compared to ANY of the current characters forced down our throats. Hard-skip on ep9 opening night. Some people should just not make films, but George Lucas should still make films. He did revolutionize the industry like 10 times in his career.
Ewoks was because of budget cuts (The concept was initially larger). However, they still served a purpose to the hero's story. Ewoks are better than Jar Jar, if you want to make that comparison.
Reading the comments, I feel like there are some misconceptions here. The prequel haters are not equal to the fandom menace. There are overlaps, of course, but generally it's not the same crowd. Jeremy from Geeks+Gamers, who is said to be their leader is in fact a prequel defender, he said that multiple times. And yeah, I watched some of his videos, though I'm not subscribed to him. He can be a bit too much for me oftentimes. I also admit that I don't like what Disney did to Star Wars. I never go to social media to make hate speeches about it, but I don't think they handled Star Wars right. And by the way, neither does George Lucas think so. The other misconception that I read here is that the fandom menace bullies actors. I'm sure that people who does bully actors would call themselves members of the fandom menace, but the fandom menace at its core doesn't support bullying and rejects the actions of those who bullied actors. One example, "Kelly Marie Tran was chased off social media by the fandom menace". They haven't denied the fact that she was bullied, they denied the assumption that it was an act of the fandom menace, collectively. This is not a cult, where everyone who calls themselves a member is officially accepted by the group or where the "leader" tells his followers what to do. They are just a group of individuals who has the same view on Star Wars. That doesn't mean that all of them are decent people, neither means that none of them are decent people.
Well people want to paint TFM as the same people who hated the prequels because these fans gave their reasons and opinions for not liking the new corporation uninspired modern agenda driven films. The majority of them love the prequels. Some of them are originals fans Only and some of them even like the sequels. It’s literally a free space for people with different opinions and views who are civil, some how that turned into toxic alt right Nazis in the eyes of these idiots who want to exclude anyone they disagree with.
You're delusional. The fandom menace is exactly the type of entitled fans George is talking about in this video. Just a bunch of 30+ y/o men who cry and whine when they watch a kids movie that they personally don't like.
@@SageMerric A lot of Kids don’t even like the sequel trilogy so it’s hilarious that you just assume this. Most kids I know don’t watch them or care about their characters. Kylo Ren is the closest character to get attention and he’s not even that popular by kids or adults.
No buddy I grew up in the era of Prequel Hate George is referring to The OT purist fans who complained about his Prequel Trilogy they were a different group entirely from TFM which went against The Sequel Trilogy, something George did as well on occasion calling them the white slavers and even saying he doesn’t associate himself with 7-9 at all and only wants to be known as the creator of 1-6. He literally moved on from Disney Star Wars most content. Putting angry fans into one group and just seeing them as manbabies like the media likes to push is often what average people support because they don’t know and don’t try to think about the details behind these situations and don’t really care. If you really do the research of these situations which I bet someone like wouldn’t even waste your time on you’ll find a different picture entirely. But I’ll just leave you with one quote.
When you get a small group of fans who hate something, it becomes compounded by the internet. The press picks up the internet like it's a source. They don't realise it is just one person typing out their opinion.
- George Lucas
Star Wars archive: George Lucas 1999 interview". Interview with Ian Freer, www.empireonline.com. September 1999.
@@bendu8282 Back then it was the OT purists attacking the prequels, today it's the PT purists attacking the sequels. It's just a repetitive cycle that happens. The next trilogy will have it's own share of fans and haters. And Kids today love the sequels, you would have to be real delusional to think otherwise. The Galaxies edge theme park is centered around the sequels, the new Star Wars hotel is too. We just had a lego Halloween special starring Poe and of course the Mandalorian has many threads that lead directly into the sequels.
@@SageMerric Galaxy’s edge number of visitors were low before the pandemic and the high prices just to buy things didn’t help. Same with that Hotel. There were several complaints about this from customers, the media and such. None of the Lego specials are made by the request of fans they get decent ratings so they keep getting made since Lucasfilm and Lego companies have a partnership. Sequel products books, toys and such are barely bought and always found in stores where no one picks them up. Toy companies made a documentary complaining about Star Wars’s drop in toy sales around the time of it being owned by Disney. The Sequels are not that popular. The media tries to paint a certain picture but right now they don’t make that much money and it’s the very reason why not a lot of sequel trilogy based content is made. John Campea a film commentator who works with people in the industry to tell the latest Hollywood news says Disney themselves decided to hold back on the sequel trilogy based character projects ie live action shows and spin offs because of the drop in money each film in that trilogy made. Why do you think all the plans for a kylo Ren tv show and Lando show based on Lando’s daughter are not at all talked about after episode 9 and instead we’re just getting a lot of Content based around The Prequel & original trilogy. The Sequel Trilogy is not like The Prequel Trilogy. The Sequel Trilogy does not make the kind of money that The Prequel Trilogy made overall and despite the hate the prequels got they made Star Wars more popular for years to come. Toy sales, books, games and such sky rocketed during The Prequel Era of Star Wars. The Sequel Era is not as lucky nor is it that popular and while certain characters from it are used for Lego specials you see tons of jokes in them apologizing for how bad they were pointing out a lot of the complaints about them in a simple kid like way. I do agree that in the future The Sequel Trilogy will have it’s lovers and haters because that’s how it is right now. The Sequels has there lovers and haters but the fact is people that like these movies are a small minority in Star Wars fandom, at least There were and still are a ton of Prequel Fans , I know because I grew up in that Era. But let’s be real when a KIDS Channel like Cartoon Network shows almost everything Star Wars movies but The Sequel Trilogy that tells you how popular they are with kids. Now they’re rumors that Daisy Ridley will return to lucasfilm and news came out that she had breakfast with Kathleen Kennedy so unlike all the other sequel trilogy actors who aren’t interested in disney Star Wars anymore or don’t want anything to do with star wars now or the company due to their treatment by Disney Lucasfilm the infamous character Rey may return but if she does who knows if anyone will want to see Daisy Ridley be Rey again. I will say the difference between you and me is while I have my opinions and you have yours based on this encounter you seem to only use surface level information and your opinions to try to prove me wrong while I’ve given you numerous examples of the situation that you can look up yourself if you really want to which I honestly don’t think you do or that you even will do it.
Peace & May The Force Be With You…
1. I don’t mind Jar Jar
2. 3PO and R2 were not hated
George Lucas Knows *Exactly* What He is Doing.
The Phantom Menace is definitely a film for children, agreed.
Lol so maul being cut in half is for children
Dunno George, for a comedic relief to be good it first have to be actually funny.
If he could speak correctly, we might sympathize the clumsiness.
I totally understand what George is saying here. When I go to see a SW movie I always ask myself if I would have enjoyed this movie as a ten year old? You see SW allows grown ups to feel like kids again. Back in the 80's my Dad told me how he enjoyed SW, ESB and ROTJ and how they reminded him of movies he grew up watching.
Finally, I just want to say that Treasure Island is considered a children's book, yet it too deals with very adult themes mush as SW does. While both my be aimed at children to begin with, they are accessable by all in the end.
Also Jar Jar makes me laugh my ass off as an Adult. Also its nice having one Comedic relief character vs everyone being Robin Williams on set in the new films.
The movies were for general audiences, not just kids. People loved R2D2 & C3P0 from the very start- they're the characters you spend the first part of the movie with ffs!
Jar jar is a Sith Lord .
Ravedaze yes
I love the prequels. The visuals are amazing. I even don't mind the politics but these movies are only about 80% for kids because in every movie 1-6 someone gets a limb cut off or a hand, or a leg or completely decapitated, nearly burned to death, etc. As a Teacher I was told I couldn't play these movies in High School, yes High School because of all the violence.
"Real guy movies" even George Lucas was aware of the male power fantasy that wanted to overshadow his science fantasy movie. And people complain about Disney. Star Wars fans have some valid things to be annoyed about, sure, but they're also impossible to please and incredibly short-sighted given how long this franchise has been around.
Shut the fuck up.
The fans are pretty toxic but his response to his fans is not much better tbh.
R2 and 3PO aged well, while Jar Jar is still one of the most annoying characters in Star Wars
jennifer 3po
He's actually a commentary on the cronyism in politics; no way would Binks have bagged a role in the Senate were it not for his friendship with Padmé Amidala.
Not anymore, now we have Rose, Holdo, Rey, Finn, Kylo, L3-37...
These movies are for children, that's why I included trade federations, blockades, and Senatorial power struggles......
And decapitations and a woman dying in childbirth and a guy burning up.
The 'fans' he describes here sums up the same group of people who generate hate towards Rey and Rose in the latest films.
nonever10
Rose is a terrible character and her "romance" with Finn is worse than that of Anakin and Padme.
Rey and Rose suck. You can call it however you want but nothings changing the fact they are non entities. Inanimate objects. Cinematic equivalents of deflated balloons. The truth is slagging off Kathleen and Rhian is far more fun that watching the films that are absolute turds of cinema.
Adam Hutchinson Except he's right. They're both terribly written characters. Rey is a textbook Mary Sue, who is somehow amazing at everything and better than other, more skilled characters, despite no training on her part. She doesn't develop or grow naturally, doesn't suffer any genuine loss that we see, etc. Just a very poorly conceived character, especially for someone who's supposed to be the main protagonist.
And Rose is probably the most hated character in the franchise, for the entire sub-plot she's involved in, and her idiotic actions at the end of TLJ that robbed Finn of a potentially character-defining and heartfelt moment.
Adam Hutchinson I feel these new star wars characters are more about making a statement on gender stereotypes. The women can't be sexy and the men can't be macho, or at least if they are they are shown to be idiotic. Rather predictably it's resulted in a boring preachy film that only SJWs like. Even though secretly they also know it's crap but pretend to like it to virtue signal.
Adam Hutchinson No need to be so hi-brow about it. It is a 'space fantasy' after all, nobody wants to see a couple of dullards like Finn and Rose have a mundane office romance in space. It's embarrassing that Finn isn't screwing Rey. Why not?. Is she a lesbian or too boring perhaps. No doubt that's what us toxic fans have got in store as the twist in Episode 9. A gay wedding conducted by a transgender storm trooper. Disney have butchered Star Wars. I consider none of their output canon. My hope is that Lucas denounces their work on his deathbed. Declaring it to be nonsense and particularly singles out Rey and Rose for the most criticism in his last breath.
The fans let down George, now the Disney empire will destroy it.
It's been dead for a long time now.
Everyone loved chewbacca doe lol
Yeah sure. None of the alien creatures in Star Wars were stereotypes of different kinds of people. Surely not Watto.
Right? That was probably the most inspired lol
I kinda get the racist thing but at the same time I don't think it was intentional at all. Because he's right, Jar Jar is an alien creature. That's not racism. If Jar Jar whipped out a blunt and started dancing to reggae, maybe I'd be a lil upset. But c'mon, the cultures are completely different. I think people really are stretching a bit if they really think Jar Jar is just a racist character.
There's been fan wank over Lucas's "return" but that won't happen. As Formula 1 fan, Lucas knows that his return would work out same way Michael Schumacher's return to racing did.
Why is this making news today?
Actionbastard lmao the prequels have more life in them than the new movies which are cynical cashgrabs; but the point is about the online armies of demented losers who actually care about these things.
20shourya The actor for Jar Jar came out just a few days ago revealing that he considered suicide after the backlash from "fans."
thanks!
Tom Caine I have heard that term a lot lately. It's almost like the media is pushing it or something. No way that could be coordinated with Lucasfilm management for some reason could it?
I never minded Jar Jar Binks however less is more with that character but he focused too much on him. R2-d2 and c3-po were never annoying. They added quite a lot to my enjoyment to the films. Seeing two helpless droids stuck in the middle of all the chaos is genius, especially how Han Solo interacts with them is gold.
I loved the prequels they were the best not for the memes actually those who hate them are true Disney fans
Vaibhav Tandon I am both prequels and Disney fan so go f**k yourself.
I get what he’s saying but if the movie was for children then why was there so much dialogue about “trade embargoes”, “taxation”, and “senate hearings”?
Well I'll be honest, I've not been Jar Jar's biggest fan. But I will admit, after recently checking out The Clone Wars series, I think he's actually way more interesting in that. He did stuff in the series that actually had me routing for him. What's also great is they got Ahmed Best himself to return to voice Jar Jar (although not every episode as Jar Jar was also voiced by another actor in a few other episodes). Which I'm glad they got Ahmed back cuz like poor Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen as Anakin, Ahmed also got a lot of hate and bashing over Jar Jar. I was shocked when I heard he once considered suicide. Anyways, they've recently brought The Clone Wars back for one last season and I actually hope we'll get to see Jar Jar one last time before the series ends. And after hearing George say people hated R2 and 3PO in the first film, I think I appreciate Jar Jar a bit more now.
MUH "toxic fandom"
Ironic.
dont forget the soggy kness
I love it that the audio is on my left ear only
Jar Jar is a sith lord.
The movies are for children? Um no George, they are for everyone. That's why everybody hates Jar Jar because he doesn't work.
Yeah. Episode 3 is really for children
Children's tales used to be pretty dark to convey a message.
Litshttam did George say children? My mistake then. 😅
So, let's see. Anakin murders children and the separatist leaders, Dooku gets his hands cut off and gets decapitated, Anakin gets set on fire, Windu gets his hand cut off and electrocuted, and Palpatine murders 3 Jedi masters. But nope still for children.
it was rated pg13, when that meant something...the first two were for younger kids and by the time three came around it was made for people who'd grown up enough to see and know such harsh ideas.
In other videos he does clarify that he means 9-12 year olds. Watch an episode of Batman TAS or Disney's Hunchback, they are of the similar intensity to Star Wars but they're aimed at kids.
I don't recall any hate for R2 and 3PO. But George is right about the absurdity of the Jar Jar/Jamaican/Racism nonsense. I can't stand the character but anybody who subscribes to that whole philosophy obviously doesn't know anybody from Jamaica. They don't speak in a manner that's even remotely similar to Jar Jar's speaking style.
That’s somewhat selective? I don’t remember ANYONE, “hating,” R2D2 or C3PO? Just admit that Ja Ja was CRAP, already. People were blown away by robots and technology, back then. R2 and 3PO didn’t have that stupid voice, or silly accent and didn’t slow down the plot, EVERY TIME they appeared on screen!
I'm afraid that I have to side with the toxic fandom on this one George
I for one can't stand C3PO even to this day and i know i'm not the only one. R2D2 on the other hand is awesome.
Because you don't remember that doesn't mean it didn't happen
But there wasn't a outcry of hatred for them.
How bout toxic news sites
Another classic look at George revising history!
I never felt there was an issue with R2D2 and C-3PO in Ep. 4-6. Their "comedy" was just their characteristics and their interactions. Not forced upon. Unlike other characters. And then the movies that followed, for example, Luke was a all serious until TLJ where he becomes a comedic character.
What an amazing creator and story teller. Star Wars shouldn't be dictated by Man-Babies.
George Rios it's not. there a lot of love out there for the sequels and prequels if you look hard enough. it's simply that the negative voices are always heard above the positive voices. people gravitate towards negativity. can't understand it. just look at the news. mostly horrible things . why cant they tell us about the positive things more often like the rescue of the thye boys. that was Fantastic. er. . did I get off topic?
George Moseley I completely understand where you're coming from. I love star wars, and that includes all 6 original movies. It's taken me a bit for the newer movies but at I know they'll eventually sit on the same mental shelf.
Billyfighter69 What SJW propaganda are the Disney films full of?
bio kido have you seen Kathleen Kennedy wearing “The Force is Female” t shirt??
Thrawn Mon Does she wear it in the film?
That series needed a more disciplined hand than George alone could provide.
He needed someone like Spielberg did with him in Indiana Jones to craft a vision with; not just a director that would film every word he put in print as an automaton.
Toxic media and film critics more like... Is this some sort of sad attempt at painting critics of The Last Jedi and the current direction of Lucasfilm under Kathleen Kennedy as "toxic"? She managed to turn what was the biggest and most beloved franchise in the world, into a franchise that's most recent film actually lost money at the box office, and is in a hugely downward financial trend, since The Last Jedi.
If by "made not as much" you mean lost about $200+ then sure. Because of essentially being made twice (once by Lord and Miller, and again by Ron Howard, who re-shot over 80% of the film) the film would have needed about $600 million dollars just to break even after all production and marketing costs were accounted for, due to how the studios (Disney/Lucasfilm in this case) only take a percentage of gross ticket sales.
The trend is heavily downward in all revenue streams for Star Wars since The Last Jedi, check out this graphic someone put together, showing that not only have Disney only made back $900 million from their initial $4 billion investment in 2012 of purchasing Lucasfilm, but the trend is so aggressively downward that if they continue on their current trajectory they will be losing money each year. In the past 40 years of Star Wars history this has never happened, even when there were no films in sight for decades at a time.
They have literally ran the biggest and most beloved franchise in known history into the ground, and The Last Jedi is responsible.
imgur.com/a/vQ9IpX4
They put Solo: A Star Wars Story in theaters while Avengers: Infinity War was still dominating the box office. They should have just waited until December like the usually do or at least until avengers was out of the theaters. Like how the last Jedi finished it’s run right before black panther came out.
By the way, I loved the last Jedi. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
really?There was toxic fans back then simply do research
If SW fans have any respect for this series, they won’t pay for Disney’s movies which really have nothing to do with SW.
sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me