Ich nutze mehrere Drahtbügelgläser hintereinander und im letzten Glas ist nicht nur Wasser, sondern auch Amidosulfonsäure. Diese zerlegt alle NOx in ungefährlichen Stickstoff und Lachgas und wird dabei selbst zu Schwefelsäure. So kannst du die Sicherheit erhöhen und ein nützliches Nebenprodukt erzeugen.
I saw a setup on YT of similar size, but using two 2-inch neodymium magnet blocks on either side, and the arc spread out into a pancake. They had to make a sturdy frame to keep the magnets in place, though.
Have you measured your yield in grams / kWh? I'm struggling to get more than 3-4 g/kWh with mine even with multiple bubblers, etc. I suspect that spreading the arc with magnetic fields would probably bring the whole thing closer to the 60 g/kWh benchmark.
Unfortunately I don't have a kWh Meter but given that I had a 28 hour long run at lets say 75 watts(I said in the video it was between 70 and 80W) and a yield of 13,2g this would be 0,2 kWh per gram I think. The proplem I described in the video is that spreading the arc visually decreased the amount of nitrous oxides being produced. At 9:22 I explained that. And turning the magnet around makes the arc hotter. Which makes sense that this increases the yield because we need the temperature of the arc for the reaction. From what I've seen the Oswald process supposed to be more efficient. Which makes sense you just need a source of ammonia, a bit of thermal energy to get the catalyst started and some energy to pump the ammonia through the system. I did buy some materials for it, but idk when i get to build that. Maybe you have more time and get a video out faster than me ;) If you want to go this way.
Hey I may be late but I've been planning on building my own reactor for the fun of it and I thought of using a nanobubble "generator"(it's just a venturi pulling the gas into a stream of water) to get a lot of surface area because I've seen that even using bubble stones the gas spends very little time in the water. The downside I've encountered is the fact that I'd need an acid proof pump to be able to do this and I haven't found any so I'm thinking I'll have to copy a submersible aquarium pump but adapting it to the new requirements. Don't know if this'll help much but at least it's a new approach so it may spark some ideas Good luck!
The Norwegians tried this process on an industrial scale with some success BUT even with nearly free hydro electricity it was too slow and too expensive and the process was abandoned in favour of oxidising ammonia etc. The most useful improvement on the amateur scene is to spread out the arc with magnets so that all air in the reactor passes through the arc.
Looks like I have to put my birkeland experiment back together and make a video... it's quite similar but I only made pictures before storing it for "further improvements in the not so near future".
ideas for imporvement which i've used my self: 1) put the arch directly above the air inlet hole because the air stream will push in new air faster into the arch making more NOx gasses 2) get a taller, thinner bottle, it improves the absorption rate by a ton 3) you dont need liquid cooling if instead of running thick copper pipes ans using them as the electrodes you rater have thin steel wire used for grilling to hold a thick-ish piece of metal like a screw, by the time the heat travels down the wire it will have cooled down enough to not be a problem, like i use hot glue which can take less heat than epoxy 4) dont use copper inside at all, they will degrade quickly because air has water in it which will turn into nitric acid in the chamber eating them over time, use steel instead (like screws and steel wire from point 3). 5) pump air into the solution for a while because a bunch of ur acid will be nitrous acid, meaning it will make potassium nitrite not nitrate. tough this machine makes ozone too which does help in turning nitrous into nitric on its own. also a remark.. how is this not efficient exactly? i pay under 2 usd for 500ml of around 9% strength acid meaning i make 45g of acid for under 2 usd so idk what you doing wrong, or electricity is cheap in norway, who knows
@@Polkem1i dont know why you would delete your newest response but here you go: "ikuzilize" i got a notif from youtube in which you asked about my dc, if i happen to be wrong you can just ignore this
No way, i actually am trying something similar with a pancake tesla Coil and a aquarium pump as a way to renew the air and push the nitrogen dioxide trough water. I mean, i think you could consider such apparatus a chemical reactor no ? Really great video anyways 👍
Absolutely! The smaller the arc the better. Also using an aquarium pump is great. Use more gas bubbling glasses to catch all the Nitrogen oxides produced. Using sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide to make sodium or potassium nitrate works but you can purchase both of these for stump remover very cheap at Home Depot and use sulfuric acid to make the nitric through distillation. I understand this system is really cool when it works...
@@Biokemist-o3k now, the hotter the arc, the better. My reaction chamber simply doesn't stand the heat, so that it takes a while to fill up the chamber with nitrogen dioxide. Using glas as opposed to plastic is a huge improvement, but i cant stick to metal rods in glas that easily. Off course you can just buy it, but making such a potent chemical out of air is pretty neat.
I have a suggestion. Try using carbon rods as your arc electrodes. Wrap thin steel wire around each end (someone else suggested that part) to dissipate heat. Carbon can hold an arc for a long time without burning up
@@thesciencefurry I believe you and I’m not trying to argue. I loved your video but oil becomes more conductive with heat, the age of the oil and magnetic fields. What kind of oil did you use?
@@froggerland As I said it was transformer oil. it was literally oil to isolate high voltage transformers. I can guarantee you in my setup the oil was not conducting anything.
@@thesciencefurry in your video you said you found someone that used a plasma disc. Do you recall where you saw this at? I’ve been trying to find it and haven’t been able to.
Microwave oven transformers produce enough amps to kill you. Also, they'll trip the breaker in the panel if wired directly as it's basically creating a dead short. Now, if you can ballast the transformer and limit the current running through them it might be possible, but remember, if you fk up and accidentally touch the wrong thing, your dead. So yeah, not really a good idea if you don't have experience and don't really know what you're doing.
Hello friend, I have a question. Can I include direct outlet electricity with an extension cord to arc? We use 240v 16 amps here. It's not even worth 4 kW. If I create a direct arc, will it be used to produce nitric acid and what will be the efficiency? For example, how many grams can I produce in 1 hour and will the hourly consumption be as much as 4 kW on the electricity bill?
@@thesciencefurry So if I run an extension cord into the outlet and create an arc, will I trip the circuit breakers? So, in your opinion, 240v 16 amp produces a power close to 4 kW, is it possible to produce nitric acid with it? wikipedia says it is possible for 5 kw.
@@kasmekmen7564 Yes it will trip the circuit breaker. Also the voltage is very low so the arc lenth would be unter a mm wich is not great. Wikipedia describes the industrial process. Like in the video you can best do it with a high voltage transformer.
Why didn't you use a 1 or 2 million volt TESLA COIL!? You can achieve the same effect with a Tesla Coil by consuming 1 KW of energy! Oh, of course, I forgot, you cannot go beyond the boundaries of today's scientific world!
There's a video now where I'm trying to develop the ostwald process to make nitric acid: ua-cam.com/video/NV5aBn7KmLs/v-deo.html
Ich nutze mehrere Drahtbügelgläser hintereinander und im letzten Glas ist nicht nur Wasser, sondern auch Amidosulfonsäure. Diese zerlegt alle NOx in ungefährlichen Stickstoff und Lachgas und wird dabei selbst zu Schwefelsäure. So kannst du die Sicherheit erhöhen und ein nützliches Nebenprodukt erzeugen.
Danke für den Tipp
I saw a setup on YT of similar size, but using two 2-inch neodymium magnet blocks on either side, and the arc spread out into a pancake. They had to make a sturdy frame to keep the magnets in place, though.
Who’s it by that sounds interesting 😮
Have you measured your yield in grams / kWh? I'm struggling to get more than 3-4 g/kWh with mine even with multiple bubblers, etc. I suspect that spreading the arc with magnetic fields would probably bring the whole thing closer to the 60 g/kWh benchmark.
Unfortunately I don't have a kWh Meter but given that I had a 28 hour long run at lets say 75 watts(I said in the video it was between 70 and 80W) and a yield of 13,2g this would be 0,2 kWh per gram I think.
The proplem I described in the video is that spreading the arc visually decreased the amount of nitrous oxides being produced. At 9:22 I explained that. And turning the magnet around makes the arc hotter. Which makes sense that this increases the yield because we need the temperature of the arc for the reaction.
From what I've seen the Oswald process supposed to be more efficient. Which makes sense you just need a source of ammonia, a bit of thermal energy to get the catalyst started and some energy to pump the ammonia through the system. I did buy some materials for it, but idk when i get to build that. Maybe you have more time and get a video out faster than me ;) If you want to go this way.
Hey I may be late but I've been planning on building my own reactor for the fun of it and I thought of using a nanobubble "generator"(it's just a venturi pulling the gas into a stream of water) to get a lot of surface area because I've seen that even using bubble stones the gas spends very little time in the water.
The downside I've encountered is the fact that I'd need an acid proof pump to be able to do this and I haven't found any so I'm thinking I'll have to copy a submersible aquarium pump but adapting it to the new requirements.
Don't know if this'll help much but at least it's a new approach so it may spark some ideas
Good luck!
The Norwegians tried this process on an industrial scale with some success BUT even with nearly free hydro electricity it was too slow and too expensive and the process was abandoned in favour of oxidising ammonia etc.
The most useful improvement on the amateur scene is to spread out the arc with magnets so that all air in the reactor passes through the arc.
Looks like I have to put my birkeland experiment back together and make a video... it's quite similar but I only made pictures before storing it for "further improvements in the not so near future".
Amazing project. Nice to see a new vid after months 👍
ideas for imporvement which i've used my self:
1) put the arch directly above the air inlet hole because the air stream will push in new air faster into the arch making more NOx gasses
2) get a taller, thinner bottle, it improves the absorption rate by a ton
3) you dont need liquid cooling if instead of running thick copper pipes ans using them as the electrodes you rater have thin steel wire used for grilling to hold a thick-ish piece of metal like a screw, by the time the heat travels down the wire it will have cooled down enough to not be a problem, like i use hot glue which can take less heat than epoxy
4) dont use copper inside at all, they will degrade quickly because air has water in it which will turn into nitric acid in the chamber eating them over time, use steel instead (like screws and steel wire from point 3).
5) pump air into the solution for a while because a bunch of ur acid will be nitrous acid, meaning it will make potassium nitrite not nitrate. tough this machine makes ozone too which does help in turning nitrous into nitric on its own.
also a remark.. how is this not efficient exactly? i pay under 2 usd for 500ml of around 9% strength acid meaning i make 45g of acid for under 2 usd so idk what you doing wrong, or electricity is cheap in norway, who knows
Very insightful response, thanks for the ideas 😃
@@Polkem1 no problems :D
@@Polkem1i dont know why you would delete your newest response but here you go: "ikuzilize"
i got a notif from youtube in which you asked about my dc, if i happen to be wrong you can just ignore this
@@Polkem1 i dont know why you would delete your newest response but here you go: "ikuzilize"
if i am mistaken you can ignore this
@@iKuzilize UA-cam keeps deleting my comments 😭
5:27 Use another step that produces water steam that mixes with the NOx. I believe that would take care of the NOx that escapes in the bubbler.
No way, i actually am trying something similar with a pancake tesla Coil and a aquarium pump as a way to renew the air and push the nitrogen dioxide trough water. I mean, i think you could consider such apparatus a chemical reactor no ? Really great video anyways 👍
Absolutely! The smaller the arc the better. Also using an aquarium pump is great. Use more gas bubbling glasses to catch all the Nitrogen oxides produced. Using sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide to make sodium or potassium nitrate works but you can purchase both of these for stump remover very cheap at Home Depot and use sulfuric acid to make the nitric through distillation. I understand this system is really cool when it works...
@@Biokemist-o3k now, the hotter the arc, the better. My reaction chamber simply doesn't stand the heat, so that it takes a while to fill up the chamber with nitrogen dioxide. Using glas as opposed to plastic is a huge improvement, but i cant stick to metal rods in glas that easily. Off course you can just buy it, but making such a potent chemical out of air is pretty neat.
I have a suggestion. Try using carbon rods as your arc electrodes. Wrap thin steel wire around each end (someone else suggested that part) to dissipate heat. Carbon can hold an arc for a long time without burning up
That's a great idea! But i will try the ostwalt process at some point, rather than getting back to this.
Nitrous acid degrades at warmer temps, so you can make a secondary bubbler and just warm the first one up.
I wonder what would happen if you woud use vortex plasma as the electrodes because the plasma spins so maybe it should heat up less
Would tungsten tig welding electrodes work for the arc electrodes in the reactor?
i have no idea whats going on but it's pretty awesome
You don’t think the oil pump running in series with both of your diode and cathode was arching out?
@@froggerland it's transformer oil. I saw where the moisture was and that's where it was arcing
@@thesciencefurry I believe you and I’m not trying to argue. I loved your video but oil becomes more conductive with heat, the age of the oil and magnetic fields. What kind of oil did you use?
@@froggerland As I said it was transformer oil. it was literally oil to isolate high voltage transformers. I can guarantee you in my setup the oil was not conducting anything.
@@thesciencefurry in your video you said you found someone that used a plasma disc. Do you recall where you saw this at? I’ve been trying to find it and haven’t been able to.
Maybe I missed it but what is the red material you used to plug the holes in the flask around the electrodes?
dunno
Some high temperature silicone
can i use microwave oven transformer ;?
bad idea, very dangerous, buy a neon light trasformer from aliexpress or something, what i did.
Microwave oven transformers produce enough amps to kill you. Also, they'll trip the breaker in the panel if wired directly as it's basically creating a dead short. Now, if you can ballast the transformer and limit the current running through them it might be possible, but remember, if you fk up and accidentally touch the wrong thing, your dead. So yeah, not really a good idea if you don't have experience and don't really know what you're doing.
Hello friend, I have a question. Can I include direct outlet electricity with an extension cord to arc? We use 240v 16 amps here. It's not even worth 4 kW. If I create a direct arc, will it be used to produce nitric acid and what will be the efficiency? For example, how many grams can I produce in 1 hour and will the hourly consumption be as much as 4 kW on the electricity bill?
Your circuit breaker will pop
@@thesciencefurry why? I Make a just electric arc
@@kasmekmen7564 That's a short circuit. There's nothing to limit the current.
@@thesciencefurry So if I run an extension cord into the outlet and create an arc, will I trip the circuit breakers? So, in your opinion, 240v 16 amp produces a power close to 4 kW, is it possible to produce nitric acid with it? wikipedia says it is possible for 5 kw.
@@kasmekmen7564 Yes it will trip the circuit breaker. Also the voltage is very low so the arc lenth would be unter a mm wich is not great. Wikipedia describes the industrial process. Like in the video you can best do it with a high voltage transformer.
Amazing!
Super!
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your ball design i think is faulty. Better build it like an chimney so the hot gases can flow fast out of the hot zone.
hi how can i connect to you? i have a few question about one video
Use magnet to fluxicate the arc-wave. It will burn more air thus generating more no2
Have you watched the video?
Eyde, not Eyed
Oh right, oops.
Why didn't you use a 1 or 2 million volt TESLA COIL!? You can achieve the same effect with a Tesla Coil by consuming 1 KW of energy! Oh, of course, I forgot, you cannot go beyond the boundaries of today's scientific world!
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