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Make Nitric Acid without Sulfuric Acid by Oxalate Precipitation

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  • Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
  • In this video we make nitric acid by reacting calcium nitrate with oxalic acid.
    The process is rather simple, dissolve 300g of Calcium Ammonium Nitrate (A common fertilizer) in 1L of water and then dissolve 150g of Oxalic Acid dihydrate in 300mL of water with heating. Then mix the two. A white precipitate of calcium oxalate is formed. Filter this off and distill the filtrate. The distillate will be dilute nitric acid. Fractionally distill that to get azeotropic nitric acid. The yield is around 74%
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  • @chriscarley9951
    @chriscarley9951 Місяць тому +62

    Thank you for another possible cost reducing nitric opinion.

  • @Fluxinate
    @Fluxinate Місяць тому +73

    Hell yeah nurd rage

    • @timecode37
      @timecode37 Місяць тому

      *heck

    • @Guds777
      @Guds777 Місяць тому

      yeah science Mr White...

  • @TheBlackKnightmare
    @TheBlackKnightmare Місяць тому +18

    all these years all these nurds. so glad you are still around

  • @Samonie67
    @Samonie67 Місяць тому +17

    im glad there's finally a video on this method, thanks for taking my suggestion and making a really good video on it

  • @y33t23
    @y33t23 Місяць тому +6

    Interesting method. Since I can get 25kg of Sodium Bisulfate for 42,99€ with free shipping, I'll stick to that method if I need nitric acid.
    As a bonus on top of better cost effectiveness, you get fuming nitric acid directly, which is always easier to dilute to regular nitric acid than the other way around.

  • @front2760
    @front2760 Місяць тому +4

    Hi Nurd.Funny that you posted today as just made Nitric with calcium nitrate and sodium Bisulfate (Pool supply).Looks like it worked.Just waiting for it to cool off and then will test.Thanks for your help again.

  • @kentherapy7022
    @kentherapy7022 Місяць тому +3

    Nurd Rage and Nile Red....two professionals for all amateurs researchers.....

  • @imikla
    @imikla Місяць тому +2

    Great video! I always love learning new pathways to get useful reagents, and this presentation is another outstanding example!
    I look forward to trying this for the experience! Thank you!

  • @Impatient_Ape
    @Impatient_Ape 29 днів тому

    Yay! Nice to see my suggestion from 2 weeks ago actually implemented. And it works better than I suspected! Thanks for doing the legwork for us.

  • @t33th4n
    @t33th4n Місяць тому +1

    Absolutely love these short but well described videos on the process. Thank you master!

  • @luamanlabs
    @luamanlabs 6 днів тому

    This works great for me as I’ve got 20kg of calcium nitrate, and probably close to that amount of oxalic acid

  • @noone-ez6on
    @noone-ez6on 17 днів тому

    Just as i bought some oxalate for other stuff. Def gonna try this!

  • @aga5897
    @aga5897 Місяць тому

    Superbissimo !
    Never saw that process, anywhere in history.
    It'd have won the DAC hands down ;)

  • @bobwerner6512
    @bobwerner6512 Місяць тому +1

    Glad you are making these again

  • @keithcarpenter5254
    @keithcarpenter5254 Місяць тому +4

    Apparently, 'They' don't like the people having anything nitrated to an interesting level!😮😊

    • @jeremiahmiller6431
      @jeremiahmiller6431 29 днів тому

      Highly nitrated things tend to go "bang", and 'they' don't like people having things that go bang unless they know exactly who has it and why they need it.

  • @jacobbudovsky
    @jacobbudovsky 10 днів тому +1

    Great video. Nitric is a pain to get.

  • @strategicbacon7349
    @strategicbacon7349 Місяць тому +1

    Beautiful and interesting video as always. Keep up the amazing work!

  • @chemnobeliumlab1520
    @chemnobeliumlab1520 Місяць тому

    Sir this was really awesome procedure and honestly I didn't expect that will end like this. Extremally helpful tnx :)

  • @FezCaliph
    @FezCaliph Місяць тому +3

    I love to see you make a jar of pickles 😅

  • @femstora
    @femstora Місяць тому +2

    Just what I needed

  • @jerematic
    @jerematic Місяць тому

    Man watching the precipitate just appear like that was mesmerising

  • @Mr_nuke99
    @Mr_nuke99 Місяць тому

    good to have you back !!

  • @michaelhicks8603
    @michaelhicks8603 Місяць тому +2

    You are a HERO man. All of your videos are fantastic

  • @user-wi2hh9fk5s
    @user-wi2hh9fk5s 9 днів тому

    That was brilliant

  • @chemdelic
    @chemdelic Місяць тому +1

    🗣️❗️BABE WAKE UP NURDRAGE JUST POSTED🗣️❗️

  • @twocvbloke
    @twocvbloke Місяць тому +3

    Best hold off on any glycerol videos after this for a bit perhaps... :P

  • @MadScientist267
    @MadScientist267 Місяць тому +1

    Excellent. May need to try this.

  • @knutritter461
    @knutritter461 9 днів тому

    TYy.... yet I would simply buy it! Greetings from an M. Sc. of chemistry....😉

  • @Kargoneth
    @Kargoneth Місяць тому

    The insolubility of that calcium oxalate is amazing.

  • @cooljets
    @cooljets Місяць тому

    My kidney stones have been consisting of Calcium Oxalate, so it's pretty innocuous in the envronment.

  • @drmarine1771
    @drmarine1771 Місяць тому

    Love this channel, especially acid videos

  • @ZoonCrypticon
    @ZoonCrypticon Місяць тому

    An excellent approach! Thank you !

  • @whatevernamegoeshere3644
    @whatevernamegoeshere3644 Місяць тому

    You are absolutely the best

  • @ArcadiaPalladius
    @ArcadiaPalladius 21 день тому

    Dude, this is amazing!

  • @till2911
    @till2911 Місяць тому +3

    use nitric acid to make oxalic acid to make nitric acid. (that might even be a good option cause while making oxalic acid NitrogenDioxide forms and you can win your nitric acid back).

    • @NurdRage
      @NurdRage  Місяць тому +1

      not a bad idea, but i worry about losses. The process for making oxalic acid and nitric acid isn't perfectly high yielding. So you may end up with less than what you started with. But worth experimenting with if you have a good gas capture setup.

    • @user-in8bz3kd7d
      @user-in8bz3kd7d 11 днів тому

      Brother, it is said that oxytocin can make people loyal to love. Have you ever extracted oxytocin? It can also make people more loving.​@@NurdRage

  • @beatrute2677
    @beatrute2677 Місяць тому

    This guy is the goat.

  • @grahamspellman2442
    @grahamspellman2442 Місяць тому +2

    These videos feel different now that I’m an adult

  • @tntomega
    @tntomega Місяць тому +5

    is it possible to make nitric acid from diesel exhaust I seen a bus smoke is red (i am a mechanic ) can i bobble it to water and i get nitric acid?

    • @NurdRage
      @NurdRage  Місяць тому +4

      Yes, it's really dilute and crude though. But since you're working with a lot diesel, it might be a viable way.

    • @Albert3939-s7q
      @Albert3939-s7q Місяць тому

      Yea probably . But its important that the vehicle doesent have a catalytic converter otherwise the nitrogen dioxide will decompose into nitrogen and oxygen wich is useless

  • @R-C-R
    @R-C-R Місяць тому

    Finally you made it thanx man

  • @SodiumInteresting
    @SodiumInteresting 27 днів тому

    Nice. I still like the sodium bisulfate and calcium nitrate dry method

  • @perrygershin3946
    @perrygershin3946 Місяць тому

    It's always nice to have options. 😀

  • @methanial73
    @methanial73 Місяць тому

    Thanks. Have you heard anything about Elemental Maker? I haven't seen him post anything in ages. I enjoy your content!

  • @kaboom4679
    @kaboom4679 Місяць тому +1

    How about a Pauling furnace ?
    Sure it is inefficient , and while it would still require workup of the product , just like any nitrate salt route , it can run continuously instead of just doing batches with relatively spendy ingredients , filtering , etc ..
    The beauty of this and electrchem in general , is you do not need grid power .
    An off grid solar setup can easily be used for a dedicated lab not directly subjected to the whims and fortunes of the local power company .

  • @mx5kevin
    @mx5kevin 13 днів тому

    This method i think will work to prepare (not pure) chloric acid from NaClO3 too if some CaCl are added to remove the Na2C2O4. Chloric acid decomposes on heating. However, they do not described to what extent in dilute form and whether production can be based on this. If it can be decompose down into perchloric acid by a simple method, it would be very valuable for everyone to make perchlorates without platinum, PbO2 and high temperature heating in a inert material. HClO4 from HClO3 a easy way without platinum and complicated methods would be much more valuable in amateur circles than nitric and sulfuric acid. If it were possible to show success in this regard, it would be a sensation in amateur circles.

  • @jbeckley6849
    @jbeckley6849 Місяць тому +1

    Could you distill without filtering out the calcium oxilate first?

  • @napalmholocaust9093
    @napalmholocaust9093 16 днів тому

    Bondex wood bleach is oxalic crystals if you need it. Might not be sold anymore, I haven't made blond walnut in ages.

  • @Chrispy-sx4un
    @Chrispy-sx4un Місяць тому

    Thanks for the awesome videos

  • @user-pr6ed3ri2k
    @user-pr6ed3ri2k Місяць тому

    Weird how this doesn't work with carbonate but it works with oxalate
    Absolutely awesome though

    • @user-pr6ed3ri2k
      @user-pr6ed3ri2k Місяць тому

      It's much easier to get oxalic acid as some laundry stuff where I live and it seems to be cheaper than sulfuric acid so I will definitely be trying this eventually

  • @xfxox
    @xfxox Місяць тому +1

    Can this reagents be melted together without water?

  • @user-qe8vq5yy1z
    @user-qe8vq5yy1z Місяць тому +1

    You should try copper nitrate waste version too,😃😃
    probably easier than electrolysis method

    • @NurdRage
      @NurdRage  Місяць тому +1

      probably, but considering copper oxalate is extremely difficult to filter, it might be an issue. I'll see what i can do.

    • @user-in8bz3kd7d
      @user-in8bz3kd7d 12 днів тому

      ​@@NurdRageBrother, it is said that oxytocin can make people loyal to love. Have you ever extracted oxytocin? It can also make people more loving.

  • @highlander723
    @highlander723 Місяць тому +1

    After everything that happened within the past 24 hours I am so glad to see a nerd rage video your timing is impeccable😢

  • @GoingBrogue
    @GoingBrogue Місяць тому

    Have you considered sourcing oxalic acid by extracting it from plants that contain it? Plants such as Oxalis and several others are a natural source. Would make for a fun video to watch.

  • @tr16384
    @tr16384 Місяць тому +1

    Is there any easy way to recover Oxalic acid back from CaC2O4 ?

  • @pedrovargas2181
    @pedrovargas2181 29 днів тому

    Hello. Home friendly method, interesting. Thanks.
    Can the salt and the oxalic be added as powder, mixed thoroughly, then heated to obtain pure nitrix acid? Nile Red has a video doing that with sulfuric acid and some nitrate.

  • @MrTheboffin
    @MrTheboffin 3 дні тому

    I'm very late on this video, wouldn't it be possible to do something similar with an acidic ion exchage resine ?
    Those can be regenerated to.

  • @pacman10182
    @pacman10182 Місяць тому +1

    Bisulfate is much cheaper for me, but i hope this works for someone

    • @NurdRage
      @NurdRage  Місяць тому +1

      yeah, same here. But it really surprised me just how well it worked. Definitely someone out there will benefit from this method.

  • @dizfoster
    @dizfoster Місяць тому

    How useful. !!

  • @djdrack4681
    @djdrack4681 Місяць тому

    I'd be interested about the biochem synthesis: the -ase for Krebs cycle bioproduct; but more so for the synthesis from metabolizing ethylene glycol (which is super cheap raw material).
    The fact that vapor decomposition results in CO2 + Formic Acid makes me wonder if there is reverse process to this: prob bubbling the CO2 into formic acid in presence of a metal catalyst?
    Just some thoughts. Keep up the great work

  • @R-C-R
    @R-C-R Місяць тому

    It is way more cost effective then sulfuric - salt method

  • @napalmholocaust9093
    @napalmholocaust9093 16 днів тому

    If zinc acetate dried on a cloth prevents silver tarnish in long term storage what is the equivalent to protect polished copper?
    Those little anti-tarnish papers sold for jewelry protect both metals (and alloys). I'd like to make them if I could, for pennies.
    Thanks in advance if anyone knows.

  • @utubefrog09
    @utubefrog09 Місяць тому

    I wonder if ammonium sulfate would work

  • @asahearts1
    @asahearts1 Місяць тому +1

    Great timing. 😅

  • @alish5417
    @alish5417 10 днів тому

    What oxalates has to do with sulpheric acid , btw makjng formic acid from glycerine on oxalate releases a smell ,let me say uts the nastiest smell ever ,always turn a vent on not a fan but vent

  • @user21XXL
    @user21XXL 7 днів тому

    Will this work with H3PO4 and Ca|NO3|2? are the Ca salts of H3po4 easy enough to handle?

  • @realedna
    @realedna Місяць тому

    I wonder how acidic and oxidizing a hot concentrated mixture/solution of calcium nitrate and oxalic acid can be.
    Maybe one can use it as crude concentrated nitric acid for etching and other applications!?
    Yet, oxalic acid is hardly cost effective in comparison with bisulfate, as you probably won't recover the oxalic acid from the oxalate waste. Only then it would have an advantage imho, but you would probably need/use sulfuric acid then anyways.

  • @aaronsmith8073
    @aaronsmith8073 Місяць тому

    0:27 forbidden coffee

  • @danielogrady4237
    @danielogrady4237 Місяць тому

    Please do nitric acid preparation by Ostwald oxidation

  • @caramida9
    @caramida9 Місяць тому

    Nice. Now I need a video to synthesis oxalic acid. Sadly in the UK, oxalic acid is a regulated poison and you need an EPP licence to get it over 10% concentration.

    • @Preyhawk81
      @Preyhawk81 Місяць тому

      you can it extract from clover.

    • @RedDeckRedemption
      @RedDeckRedemption 6 днів тому

      Barkeeper's friend brand cleaner has oxalic also

  • @seanstrain1
    @seanstrain1 Місяць тому

    Nice

  • @Johnpao215
    @Johnpao215 Місяць тому

    Someone read my suggestion hahaha. Thanks!

  • @Qyonek
    @Qyonek Місяць тому

    Thanks

    • @NurdRage
      @NurdRage  Місяць тому +1

      Thanks so much!

  • @brianreddeman951
    @brianreddeman951 Місяць тому +2

    Anyone at first glance think "Wait, he's gonna make nitric acid out of milk?"

    • @kaboom4679
      @kaboom4679 Місяць тому

      Looks good at first glance , by my enthusiasm quickly soured .

  • @DanielJoyce
    @DanielJoyce 29 днів тому

    So could you use this dissolve gold by driving the formation of aqua Regia in situ by adding the salts, gold and oxalic acid?

    • @DanielJoyce
      @DanielJoyce 29 днів тому

      I mean, sodium nitrate, sodium chloride, oxalic acid and gold.
      Maybe you'd need a little acidity to get it started?
      Or maybe add a small amount of say iron chloride and nitrate to form some initial acid.

  • @DonnyHooterHoot
    @DonnyHooterHoot Місяць тому

    Nurd! Cool viddy.

  • @kemster9495
    @kemster9495 29 днів тому

    Still waiting for the oswalt process
    With transition metal catalysis 😅😊

  • @roflchopter11
    @roflchopter11 Місяць тому

    I trust that you know what you're doing, but I don't understand why you distill to dry and collect all of the distillate in one vessel. Are all waste products at that stage dissolved solids?

  • @Saumiiiii
    @Saumiiiii 29 днів тому

    Hell yeah nurd rage [2]

  • @edibandulan5266
    @edibandulan5266 Місяць тому

    Hey NurdRage i buy nitric acid yesterday and the clerk say that my nitric acid is not higher than 68% because 98% concentration nitric acid is illegal, but when i open it have a white fuming which is sign of really concentrated but when i weight it just had 121gram per 100ml of it. That mean my nitric acid just have concentration around ~40% but why it fuming though, do you have a explanation? Thank you.

  • @rayxfinkle8328
    @rayxfinkle8328 14 днів тому

    Banana Ballistics?

  • @shickakaper8028
    @shickakaper8028 Місяць тому

    So you would slowly drip the nitrate solution through an oxalate filter (reducing the water by like 1/2). Soo.. sourgrass. Sourgrass, you can use a bundle of sourgrass as a filter 😁

  • @ho0t0w1
    @ho0t0w1 Місяць тому

    Well that's it, now I need some CAN.

  • @yussele
    @yussele Місяць тому

    HELLLLLLL YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH❤

  • @freigeist5161
    @freigeist5161 Місяць тому

    Can you concentrate nictric acid 3% by boiling?In the EU you only get 3% nitric acid,but it is useless for recovery gold.

    • @kaboom4679
      @kaboom4679 Місяць тому

      Yes you can , but it is very time intensive and would take a lot of 3% to get a meaningful amount of azeotropic nitric acid .
      Using either the oxalic acid or bisulfite routes is a whole lot more efficient .
      Of course , you may be prohibited from merely possessing nitric above a 3% concentration , let alone making it , but that is a different matter altogether .

  • @hinz1
    @hinz1 Місяць тому

    Shouldn't the distillation favor the more volatile nitric acid?
    I.e. oxalic/nitric acid equilibrium, oxalic can't evaporate, while nitric boils over, i.e. some dilute nitric acid on the other side.

    • @NurdRage
      @NurdRage  Місяць тому

      It does, but at high temperatures the oxalic acid reacts with the nitric acid, which is why it needs to be filtered off.

  • @Tyresio12
    @Tyresio12 Місяць тому

    I've seen a video on YT showing the synthesis of hydrochloric acid from NaCl and boric acid, would that be possible with the nitrate counterparts?

  • @Ma_X64
    @Ma_X64 Місяць тому +3

    So, now all that remains is to find a field of sorrel thickets somewhere!)

    • @jimurrata6785
      @jimurrata6785 Місяць тому

      Oxalic acid is sold as wood bleach in almost any hardware store.
      It removes dust stains because iron tannate is black but iron oxalate is clear.

    • @Ma_X64
      @Ma_X64 Місяць тому

      ​@@jimurrata6785 There was some tiny symbol -- ")". That symbol means that something non-serious is in the text. ;)

    • @jimurrata6785
      @jimurrata6785 Місяць тому

      @@Ma_X64 I'm used to something like ;-)
      But emoticons haven't really been a thing for me since the '80's
      Sorry if I missed that on my phone. My eyes aren't what they used to be...

    • @Ma_X64
      @Ma_X64 Місяць тому

      @@jimurrata6785 Okay

  • @OneOfDisease
    @OneOfDisease Місяць тому

    How much cheaper is this vs buying of the shelf acids?

    • @NurdRage
      @NurdRage  Місяць тому +4

      It's not cheaper. But you may live in a country where those acids are unavailable or require special permits or licensing to obtain, alternatively you might just like the science and what to try making it. But in general i don't find making acids cheaper than buying them directly.

  • @LemonCamel
    @LemonCamel Місяць тому

    What would you say the concentration of that initial clear nitric acid was?

  • @LalaLa-ld1gs
    @LalaLa-ld1gs 11 днів тому

    AmateurChemistry brought me here

  • @neon_Nomad
    @neon_Nomad Місяць тому

    Now i can un-petrify humanity

    • @kaboom4679
      @kaboom4679 Місяць тому

      The opposite is probably more likely .
      But it looks like you won't run out of work anytime soon .
      Like taking 1 flyswatter to Africa ...

  • @paramatematico198
    @paramatematico198 Місяць тому

    Does It work with every nitrates ?

    • @NurdRage
      @NurdRage  Місяць тому +2

      no. it does not work with sodium or potassium nitrate. It's best done with calcium nitrate. In theory it should work with iron nitrate or manganese nitrate. But stick with calcium nitrate since that's easiest to get.

    • @Polkem1
      @Polkem1 Місяць тому

      @@NurdRagewhy won’t it work with those two?

    • @NurdRage
      @NurdRage  Місяць тому

      they don't precipitate

    • @Polkem1
      @Polkem1 Місяць тому

      @@NurdRage thank you, came to that conclusion as well. Thanks for the upload 😊

    • @chadmuslim55
      @chadmuslim55 26 днів тому

      @@NurdRage could this work with aluminiumnitrate?

  • @Recycling-ey1yc
    @Recycling-ey1yc Місяць тому +1

    And if you need oxalic acid you can get it by boiling shugar with nitric acid, don't thank me😁

  • @brentdennard6722
    @brentdennard6722 Місяць тому

    Are you sure you’re not the same guy that does banana ballistics?

  • @snoowbrigade
    @snoowbrigade Місяць тому +1

    All my homies love making nitric acid without sulfuric acid.

  • @slappyfish1677
    @slappyfish1677 Місяць тому

    W

  • @gjestalle6198
    @gjestalle6198 Місяць тому +1

    After I bought 98 sulfuric acid 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @xxxm981
      @xxxm981 Місяць тому

      Let me guess, you are not in the EU?

    • @gjestalle6198
      @gjestalle6198 Місяць тому

      @@xxxm981 negative, I am. Imported from Ireland

  • @ZadakLeader
    @ZadakLeader Місяць тому +1

    Bro making milk

  • @alish5417
    @alish5417 10 днів тому

    Its nit ric not nie tric

  • @noahcole6856
    @noahcole6856 16 днів тому

    Bible?

  • @user-ed3zd4kl4d
    @user-ed3zd4kl4d 20 днів тому

    乙酰乙酸乙酯水解生成丙酮