Why I will keep using Elementor in 2024. No need to switch.
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- Опубліковано 10 січ 2024
- In this video I am finally answering the question on why I haven't switched to another pagebuilder yet. It's quite a personal take as you will see in the video.
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In this video I am finally answering the question on why I haven't switched to another pagebuilder yet and why I will keep using Elementor for client work in 2024.
Why dont you challenge yourself by learning one of the tools and see if you like it ?
You know what the biggest issue is? Speed.
I think the reason is loyalty to the product and a workflow you don't want to switch/change. In my opinion, the most professional page builder without almost no limitations are bricks and oxygen. Although, I prefer bricks for many reasons. These builders deliver cleaner source code, focus much more on better SEO, accessibility, and future-proof websites. You have to get rid of the idea that there is only one good page builder, because this is simply not true. You can lower the amount of plugins with a builder like bricks, as first bricks is a theme, not a plugin. Furthermore, you don't need any other theme like “Hello” and various premium paid plugins to give Elementor the full functionality you need. This isn't opinionated or biased as I am web dev over 20 years by now.
Yea, I absolutely will. Later this year when I have more time I will start doing that@@Applecitylightkiwi
Thank you for sharing your perspective. Maybe you are right, I will be testing more tools once I have the time@@PicSta
I agree in principle, the only problem is that I get the impression that not only is elementor extremely slow in making changes, but that it is focusing on everything less than the builder, and is trying to go more and more toward a retail audience and not a business one. and that is a trend that worries me quite a bit.
You've got very valid points, same thing I tell people. If you are okay with it and getting the results you desire, don't switch
Actually, this is only half the truth of this approach. With this attitude, you oppose any further development of technologies. Especially today, it is more important to offer customers the best possible and innovative solution in order to stand out from competitors. Of course, it depends on the knowledge you have, as Elementor is more basic and beginner-friendly, what is definitely their niche for pagebuilders. Web Devs aka professionals of work won't use Elementor for several reasons. Starting by bad markup (source code) which leads to slower websites and a hit in SEO to lack of functions/options you need at your daily basis. Hence, Elementor is more like the Toys'R'Us playground.
What you just said is the same as saying: "If you can get from point A to point B using a horse, why use a car?"
Problem with elementor, is that they are currently focusing on other things that makes you say .... "What?"
when they should focus on their star product (yah, the pagebuilder), and now they have more competition than 2 years ago, so it doesn't make sense
The „Little“ ship is also closer to the sea, with the sea being the underlying technology. The little ship is a sailing ship and you learn fundamentals about the sea and not the best way to call room service. 😅
Good point, but its so comfy calling room service 😁
Well said ! 🌊
Section in Bricks is top and bottom space. Container is spacing left and right. Block is flex box item taking up full width. And div is taking up just content space.
Bricks has not AI support..Lack of professionall templates, not even featured on themeforest..Bricks, no thanks...
I don’t understand why four types is necessary. Red flag for me personally on the UX front.
Actually elementor is like a big cruise ship with tourist, and the tourist have no clue how the ship work. They make a cruise ship with many arrows and activities that are standards of the ship but actually have nothing to do with crossing the sea. A proper page builder is not about riding a ship, it's actually about understanding the fundamentals and structure of webdesign and instead of being a tourist on a ship, you build your own ship... If this is the case, you can basically use any both that gives you the fundamentals. It would take you a week to learn any new platform but there arent many that do it properly, bricks does.
Two things - I like your point about where on the adoption curve you are. The truth is that where I may be in my personal life on an adoption curve is different than where I may be for a business where I am trying to offer reliable products. Second point, I've studied entry level coding thinking I was going into development but then I realized I wanted to freelance and that smaller businesses/orgs may want to have some control over their own site but have someone with more experience set it up, keep it secure etc etc. So I like how Elementor is a middle ground. Of course that means it isn't as efficient on the code end. The end question isn't "what is the best absolute tool", but "what is the best tool for my audience/clients" - people with different needs will answer that differently. I am sticking with Elementor for now, thanks for your videos!!!
Your points are valid, but currently, Elementor feels less professional compared to other builders like Bricks. The lack of a CSS class manager is frustrating; in the midst of 2024, we shouldn't still be copying and pasting styles for every element. I believe it's highly unlikely that there are things you can do in Elementor that you can't in Bricks.
Sure, I will put Bricks to the test when I have the time.
There is absolutely nothing you can do in elementor that can’t be done in bricks 😀
Bricks sucks, I didnt like it at all. I stick to Elementor
What is your experience so far @lizelfving4084 ? Can you tell what you didn't like?
You are so cool! Love your analogy and clear explanation. Thank you very much for your useful content. You don't know how much you have helped me! ❤
I have to disagree here. I switched to bricks a few months ago and it's day and night compared to Elementor. Elementor is a so "big ship" that all they do is go where they make money. They are not interested in agencies and wants to maximise their sales of the single license. The builder is pretty bloated and you rely on too much plugins. I rebuilt the same website with bricks and was able to reduce the plugins number from 24 to 13. Other than that I understand that business wise it's logical to stay with the tools you use.
Amazing perspective. Definitely subscribing. Pick the builder that you like and stick with it.
I live in a 3rd world country and I see the prices are going up for all builders so it's tough for me to choose from yearly options (as Elementor) or lifetime deals like Divi and Bricks (which will go to 600 bucks as of Jan 15!) Also, you need to pay for plugins to truly make professional dynamic websites with custom field types, query loops, and so on. Sometimes I just wonder if I should learn to do websites from scratch but that will take a lot of time, to learn and to build. Maybe I should just become a plumber.
Yea good point. If you are from a country where getting those products is harder then its smart to change your strategy. I would definitely do the same.
I’m also with you bro. Prices sometimes might make us rethink the strategy. I think it also depends on your clientele. On my side I use a mix of Joomla and Wordpress + Page builder. This is because a huge part of the market wants something friendly and easy to learn. A few others wants something custom and managed. If you can learn to work with different tools, you’re good 👍🏽
I will teach relume ai, convert it to bricks, and how to use bricks along with using my accounts for it if and pay you to web design full time along with compensate if you can hire and train anyone else to do the same later down the line.
Thank you, Rino, for sharing your realistic approach.
I am a bit shocked by the harsh reactions from some other colleagues. It feels like they can't tolerate your decision.
Years ago I decided to move from using page builders to custom build templates, which has worked very good for me.
Elementor has challenged me in the last couple of years to revisit that decision. What I love about Elementor is that you can create custom widgets and add them to the Editor.
My only real hesitation about Elementor has been the speed, but I believe that might be improving now.
Thank you for the good explanation - clear and simple you said everything important. I like the analogy with the ships, and - yes - I do not like to change things when they work pretty good, there is no sense. The change is not always for good, the change should not be self-serving. Great video, thanks!
Thank you for the analogy, and making me stick to the big ship...Divi. :)
Great input Rino! 🎉
Hi Rino, I can't seem to find how to add a page break to split my gallery into pages, is that something thats possible on elementor? Please if you could answer I am losing my hair!! :D Thanks a lot
My biggest issues w Elementor for years was the frequent ‘critical error’ white pages out of the blue on many client sites due to auto update conflicts which has still kept me designing sites w the always solid WP bakery w gold themes like Salient. The learning curve w WebFlow was too much but 2024 the year to move on and UP, hoping Ai is part of that taking much of the basic build foundations over.
Just coming back into the industry thanks for this..was feeling ambigious
Solid breakdown. Would love to have you on a livestream to chat about this stuff in the future!
Totally agree. It is also important to note that you have an obligation to provide your clients with reliability, stability, and the security of their online business. That means using a solid hosting platform and web builder. Goofing around is for amateurs and a fast track for losing business.
True. Last year, Bricks put out an update that broke many websites. The developers came to the facebook group and said Oops sorry! Imagine if you had a mission critical website!
Good explanation. I don't know which theme so you use. My favorite is Astra. They build also an page builder called Spectra. What did you think about this? I will try them because i build a lot of sites with the old version of them.
You nailed it. I will stuck with Elementor Pro too. My clients love it too.
Great video. We always recommend that designers find a dedicated tool that works for them and scale using said tool.
I feel the same. Good video.
Hey Rino, You have any vidoes or can share your thougths regrding the WordPress Mobile App and a good use case for it within the Elementor ecosystem? Is there a "mobile" or on-the-fly solution for let's stay i.e. "matainace" work?
Hey! Unfortunately its not really possible to maintain website on mobile. The whole web world is primarily desktop based. You can login on a Wordpress website via mobile, but the options are very limited.
hi dear rio if you was start over today which platform would you choose
Hey Rino, listen,
I really like what you're doing here, good job.
Hello everyone, I'm researching opinions on switching from WordPress (Elementor Pro + Crocoblock) to Framer. What are your thoughts on this switch?
Hi Rino, i came across ur video in my quest for more exposure and knowledge about wordpress, honestly you've been phenomenon. I really covet ur knowledge and ur simple ways of breaking down some stuffs that looks very complex in Elementor. Thanks so much for being my hero! You're the best guy! I honestly won't mind some personal development with you.
I'm glad it was helpful! And welcome aboard 🛳️
I'm a big fan of being fluent with a product, meaning I can move around freely and quickly. I made a very conscious decision to migrate to Elementor a couple years ago and I haven't looked back. I love it, on all accounts. The fact that I focused specifically on this program, and thus didn't "jump ship" for a new shiny object, has made me increasingly more comfortable and confident with this solution. Every system has their own quirks and processes, but I don't have time to learn them all. I want to just crush it with one. Elementor is that one.
Sir I want to create E-commerce website using elementor pro can I use free theme and plugin to create it and run for a long time is it possible? And also suggested some free theme and plugin to create E-commerce website
Great info🔥🔥
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Do you have any cupom code for using to buy elementor pro? 😀
Thank you! Unfortunately not, but I do have an affiliate link, which gives me a commission when you buy. So thanks if you decide to do that: livingwithpixels.com/elementor
Perfectly said, Rino.
Fantastic video.
completely agree with you!
I agree with you. And page builder, or the page speed it brings out, is indeed not the most vital point to win the SEO battle. People just always overstate it.
None of my millions gave a *** about SEO. We build real companies and real business. The brick and mortar branding means everyone finds the sites without search engines.
Do you receive monetary compensation from Elementor?
Even if he doesn't. He has all his content focusing on Elementor, and his course. Accepting that there is something better would be a huge hit to him. I understand him tho.
You described really good with example of ship.. Hope now many peoples telling use another builder got answer.. And yes elementor have lots of plugin to extend its functionality other's right now don't have... Thank you❤
how the big ship started? is the bigh ship started big?
Thank you! Dear Rino!
You Nailed it in every aspect. We proud of you
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I like your approach. It takes time to acquire the kind of experience you have acquired in Elementor. You can't just up and change your content strategy for every new page builder. But I like the fact that you are exploring and testing new things. At the end of the day I am looking to build websites, not to build websites in Elementor.
Thank you for sharing your view, refreshing to read a comment like this.
Great video
I think we are getting good information from you videos. Regarding AI please explain more...
説得力がありすぎ。
you convinced me sir
You are really great bro
Hey Rino, how are you? I have a question for you, and I hope you can help me out, I started with WordPress way back in 2020 with an intention of freelancing and I learnt some basic elementor with the help of your videos, but due to some circumstances I failed in freelancing and decided to do a job and now again with a greater determination and confidence I want to revive my ambition of freelance product designer , but now a days modern page builders confuses my a lot that to whether to stick with elementor and learn Pro version or should I switch to something like Webflow or editorX etc, please can you give me a brief overview or roadmap.
I'm good, thank you. And yea ofcourse, I feel you. It can be quite confusing having all the options these days. But the truth is that it doesn't really matter. With all of these tools you can make a website. Webflow is more professional in some areas has a more steep learning curve, and Editor X I am not really sure. But if you already have some experience in Elementor then it's just the easiest to continue with that journey. When you are getting back to it the most important thing is that you get in motion. Not so much the tool I think. You can always decide later to go to another tool. Within Wordpress you now also have some competitors: Bricks (which is similar to Webflow) and Breakdance (which is similar to Elementor). So yea, just get started with some projects I would say. That's the best way to get started.
@@rinodeboer Thanks a lot Rino for your time and reply👍😊
This is absolutely great eye opening video. This actually I saw in real life of many people. They keep changing domain in their life complaining about their salaries/income. The fact is that they should stick to one thing and master it and become a goto place for thos who are in need of your services. Thanks @Rino for making such positive video.
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THE analysis about web builders I needed. Thanks Rino :) !
I'm totally with you. I look at it not with ships but a car. You can have a well equipped normal car that will get you from point A to B but then comes along a shiny new sports car with all new bells and whistles. The thing is, both will still get you from point A to B. Maybe the new sports car can do it faster and better. But if you took both on the same city road in traffic, both will get you there just as fast. Just the shiny sports car would cost you more in terms due to higher repair bills (lack of community), insurance (lack of productivity from learning curve) at the end you still end up at point B so why switch
The question is, did you buy the key for the smaller ship bricks :)
Haha yes I did. I bought their LTD deal.
Man I love your content and I will keep using elementor with ACF to create magnificent sites.
That's why I'm staying in traditional programming to create my website, I'm already comfortable with html, tailwind css, javascript, react, php, laravel, and mySQL and I can make something more than drag and drop tools can make, the freedom I create and cheap (don't need to pay for elementor / plugins / tools) makes me confortable
Do you make it easy for clients to change/update content?
Would you build a 3 page website worth $500 from scratch???
I think you’re totally right. Must admit I’ve been thinking that maybe I should jump on something else because Elementor rates as slow in speed tests, but also, I realize they I have a lot to learn about optimizing the website itself. And as you said, it takes a lot of time to learn new systems. I am a content creator (film, text, photos), a drone pilot and a marketing consultant as well as selling websites🤣 There is not enough time. Oh yeah, I’m also a student by the way. With two farms. Do I really got time to breathe at all? 🤔
Haha exactly how I feel as well.
Why my elementor has no ship?
Elementor is excellent. I agree with what you said; I wish Elementor wasn't playing so much catch. It is easy for them to be the best, reduce the number of plug's user use by just being the main one! You guys are on the way!
how do i disable people from taking pictures from my website?
That’s unfortunately impossible to stop. The only thing you can do is watermark your pictures.
Hi Rino, i've been watching most of your videos, and i'm looking for your portfolio, to get inspired. would you please send your portfolio, or a good source to see beautiful websites to get inspired. and I would love to see more videos of you designing beautiful sections and full pages or full websites.
totally agree
Elementor is still big no matter what anyone says
Elementor always gives me issues on image resizing and quality. If i want a smaller size image it take the quality away. Or if i resize it on the builder preview looks fine, but then the live website it is all wacky where some pics are resized and some are not
You are damned right !
I'm with you and I don't get those questions. If you WORK with Elementor and don't just use it for your own website you can't just switch and build websites for clients. You need to learn first to build the same websites you did with Elementor. Plus you bought a license, built your whole workflow with Elementor etc.
And what you say at the end goes for so many things in business, not just website builders. Too many people have "shiny object syndrome".
I use other tools, but for my wife's business I keep coming to the conclusion Elementor is the best we sell tons of candles. I know Oxygen, Brick builder, bootstrap and Webflow. Each tool is awesome and learning these are a hell of a lot easier than coding from scratch!
I really liked what you said about website speed built by elementor. People who complain about speed with websites built by elementor simply have skill issues.
haha...sorry but that is absolutely not true
build a complex website with WooCommerce, 10+ queries, interactions etc.
Then Elementor reaches its limit extremely quickly. In addition, Elementor is anything other than good in terms of best practice and generates huge amounts of DOM
@@AAABBB-px2ci who cares about best practice and DOM quantity? Is the website being graded by the cyber professor?
@@francisokech
DOM also makes the website slow and makes it more difficult for the Google bot to understand the page.
But have fun with Elementor where you have to worry that something won't work with every update and basic functions will have "alpha" or "beta" status for years
@@AAABBB-px2ci I respect your opinion. However, the beauty of elementor is that there are several extensions that are integrated with it, that handle different things far better than elementor could ever do and far better than Bricks builder would ever do. For instance, there's a plugin called Dynamic content for elementor. It is the best extension for getting the best out of ACF-based dynamic data. The developers of Bricks cannot build a better solution than that because these people are totally focused on that aspect. So, if no one tool can do it all, why bother running helter skelter. I am a book author I just want my website to work and to collect payments. Code beauty, though desirable, is the least of my worries.
No, thanks. I changed to Bricks and it's ok for me.
I'm a elementor user from 2017 using pro plan with 1000 sites license, last year I planned to switch to brizy or divi, I compared with other page builders, feature wise everybody same but by cost elementor charges $1000 for 1000 site license which not works for me. then they changed perfect pricing and latest feature update, I really happy to continue with the elementor. Now I feel it worth the cost.
I also have 1000 site licence and pay 199$ a year
Yeah I'm really glad I managed to get unlimited site licenses through breakdance for $199/year. I feel bad for people just buying one of these tools today though, the prices just keep going up :(
If you are selling websites as a product it is hard in my view to go with something like webflow or framer. You want to own it end to end. But they are both nice.
Agree
Different Hammers for different jobs. Elementor is the tool in the toolbox thats always here when you need it. When time came to choose I started with Oxygen for the speed but turned to Elementor for a simple reason, RTL compatibility.. Safe to say best decision to stick to Elementor to answer any client requests.. or almost. :)
What are the features you’re implying to that are free with Elementor + plugins that you have to pay the Business Plan in Webflow?
Also, what about the fact that you’re dependent on different plugins in Wordpress…? Does that not bother you? Also, the client experience is not optimal with WP compared to Webflow, imho.
Thanks, interesting video, again! 👍🏻
Switching to Brick 😊
they will not survive on 5 years
What are your views on Ghost CMS?
I have never heard of that
I agree with you, no free version, no expandability, crushing and unreliable!!!!!
Elementor is already far behind most builders, such as Bricks. Bricks has already incorporated most of the features Elementor users have been requesting for years and is significantly better in terms of performance and code. Elementor seems to be focusing more on making money with unnecessary features.
For example?
100% agree, that's why I leave elementor 6 month ago and switch to Brick builder. I'm glad of making that decision.
@@AdnanHaidar01 AI, Image optimizer, Hosting
@@AdnanHaidar01AI stuff, Image Optimization plugin, etc. I'm surprised that they can even get AI features out pretty quickly and yet, requested features are in the back burner for years. The builder's UX is pretty much ignored. It is as if they don't use the builder themselves.
How far behind?
i have the same question lol i use framer and elementor
Very very good video, I tend to agree on every points.
Even tho I come from a web developer background, Framer was a nightmare to use and not very intuitive, even the documentation seems unclear...
The biggest problem with Elementor and Wordpress is the reputation, I lost one client because he simply did not want his site to be made with Wordpress and was asking for Webflow, even tho it was not bringing anything to the table in his case ^^"
You kiiiilled me at 00.57 Rino! Im rolling on the gorund and totally missed focus! :) A ship with a wing/ bridge like structure... The other day it was a presentation the guy had filled with hot office ladies :) Anyway... moving on to 00.58 :)
Isn't WordPress attempting to phase out external page builders in favor of their own? I read they have plans to drastically improve their capabilities and UI.
Yea, they probably want that. But wanting something is different than making it happen. I would recommend checking out Darrel’s video that I put in the description. He did a great analysis on how WP is trying this.
The next time someone tells me that there are other builders and that i should think about changing, i'm going to refer them to this video.
Hi! I will stay with Elementor, and I agree with you saying that's good to keep up with a single pagebuilder. Even though it's nice to try the competitors to make a good idea to what they can do! But I have to say... All these page builders are so confusing.
Bye, and thanks for your tutorials
Love your analogies haha! I use Elementor Pro & Bricks (still learning), and you have a very good point. I also like Bricks, and the reason for buying Bricks was the LTD deal, as I wanted to secure a good deal with an upcoming page builder. I paid USD 249 for the LTD, and on the 15th of Jan, it Increases to USD 599. I still build 90% of my websites with Elementor Pro while learning Bricks. Keep up with your good videos and excellent educational content; I'm a fan! NOTE: If Elemetor Pro ever launched an LTD, I would definitely buy it! (Even for USD 600+) / Regards Chris
FOMO 😂
@@manan09ful Haha yes definitely 😂
I feel old staying with elementor… but it works so well for me
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Webflow sucks so hard. I used it for about 5 years and still have 2 client sites on it and I hate it so much now.
Site areas break on their own often and their price has gone through the roof.
Elementor is to slow for a ecom site and suitable for small proyects. In other hand, builders like Bricks are more flexible for more complex projects.
Nice Dall E usage
Haha sharp 😎
Hello RIO! Which AI did you use to create the images in your video? I think they're really cool.
The one that’s embedded into ChatGPT4, I think its Dall E
It always works and cost efficient where other builders fail.
I'd love to see Kevin and Rino rant about Elementor and Bricks 😂
you mean a big ship like the Titanic, right? 😂 Just kidding ... I really like you, your channel and the way you explain things. I get your points and I am also convinced that Elementor is too big to fail. They have to and they will come up with improvements. Like Adobe XD 😁 Perhaps they will buy Bricks or another page builder ...
If I make a small brochure website for a low-budget client, I will still use Elementor. But if it's a bigger website, where page speed and clean Html is releveant, I will use Bricks, although the learning curve is much, much higher 😅
Thank you for making me see the light on not switching from Elementor... was thinking about learning Webflow but watching this video made me realise there is absolutely no need for it
elementor pro plan for one website... means one per month? or just one
Means just 1 license active on one website
@@rinodeboer can i train on this license and share before activating?
Yes, there are a few exceptions which you can read here elementor.com/help/do-i-need-a-license-for-my-subdomain/ but you can also just buy the 3 license package. Is not that much more expensive and gives you more flexibility
@@rinodeboer thnk you for your help. New follower
I guess the question I have if you were starting a new business would you still make that choice? I come from a web dev background and getting into WordPress is irritating. There is so much I want to customize but I don’t know PHP that well, I know JavaScript way better so something like Webflow or Framer is easier to understand. And worst case scenario is I can build it myself.
I think it really depends on your background and skillset. For me I would still do it because I don’t know how to write php and javascript. I am actually in the process of of starting a new web design business with Elementor. But I might switch in the future, who knows.
@@rinodeboer yeah for my 9-5 it’s all JS so WordPress just feels unnatural. To be fair all page builders feel strange so I need one I can use strictly as a starting point.
I feel you. Perhaps check out Bricks. Its more built from a developers pov , but its still a pagebuilder which can save you huge amounts of time compared to coding it yourself
When I had to switch from Freehand to Illustrator I almost gave up, but there were no choice... in the same way Rino exposes his point, nobody will suggest Devon Rodriguez to stop painting manually, to do his artwork on a tablet. Beste!
I agree a lot with this video. I saw a lot of trends over my many years when it comes to web design and development. What changed over so many years? Almost nothing. Most people live an illusion. "If i learn the new language maybe i will be able to find a job". No, you will not. Jack of all trades = master of none. Companies and businesses in general need masters, not jacks of all trades. You need to learn one thing and learn it in depth. If you are a master you are also not easily replaceable and who really needs people with half-knowledge about a lot of things? Who cares if you can make "hello world" programs in every possible language or "my first website" in every builder? Can you make something deep? Can you make something good and big? If not then the new programing language or the new builder will not save you or fix your life.