The Games I Wish I Never Replayed
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2023
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The thing about having a favorite anything is that there is a more than decent chance that one day it no longer will be your favorite, and that shift can be jarring. This video explores how this has happened to me with 3 of my favorite (or rather formerly favorite) games, and asks the most important question of all: what is wrong with me?
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don't get mad at me
also, one thing I wish I would have dove into is how for some games it is easy for me to look back at the memory of playing a game and hold onto that regardless of if I still enjoy playing it today, but for others (like the three games I talk about in this video) I can't seem to hold onto that initial memory as well and start to sour on the game as a whole. I have not thought about it enough to have an answer as to why that is. I touch on it a tiny bit when talking about games that you can't truly replay and how you go into replaying those with the mindset that a new playthrough isn't designed to be the same, but I think there is a ton more in that space to explore, especially considering that there are games that I think suck to play now that are highly replayable, yet I don't have the same sour feeling towards them as I do towards these three. Could be something about the game, could be my mindset when I replayed them, could be the strength of the original memory when I played it, could be all of these things and more.
oh and one other thing I wish I would have done a bit differently was how I talked about Majora's Mask. I stand by all of my thoughts on how the game didn't hit for me on my most recent playthrough, but I think I presented it as if a switch had flipped and that the game means nothing to me now when that is not the case. The more accurate view is that when replaying it, I just could tell that if this was a game I kept coming back to, eventually the good memories I had of it (whether those be from when I played the game or was just obsessed with hearing about it) would be replaced by my more current lukewarm feelings on it, so I have decided that in order to preserve what love I still have for MM, I am better off not playing it anymore lol.
anyway, have a good one.
What if I do?
Grrr
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What is mad?
@@Wadam101 yeah what if you do?? I wanna know too
I remember once hearing that people don’t want to play the game that they once played. They want to play the game that they remember.
Yea, this is one of my strong reasons to dislike most retro re-release (or new games trying to emulate retro feels) without modern QoL rework.
Nope, play Souls games
@@Walamonga1313 Even in souls, a second playthrough will never be the same as the first. You will be more aware of your surroundings, ambushes and suprise tactics will be less effective, you will have a general idea of where to go, etc. That magic of exploring an unknown world will be lessened considerably.
If the game is good,it's good end of discussion,i could only apply that logic to visuals of the game,or maybe if the game is somehow connected to how i felt at that time,being younger,in love,seeing world with different eyes there are many reasons,but what i'm trying to say is i came back and replayed many games and i still think they are awesome,i played infinite at launch,and it never clicked with me,just pointing one game as example (if you like it,you like it no problem with that) but to me that game was not Bioshock,just like Bioshock was not system shock to it's fans,to many differences in gameplay,limiting weapons to two,redundant and nonsense story end.
@@FLXEP alot of qol takes away from the retro vibe. If you need qol then YOU dont need to play the re release.
It’s not necessarily the game you want to replay. It’s that part of life that you want to relive.
Ouch, that hit hard.
It's like getting back together with an ex. You only remember the roses, but not the thorns.
That's why I'm not hyped about the New Final Fantasy XVI. I used to play final fantasy with my friend. He stopped playing them after 13, so I can't talk about them with him anymore
I think that's a really good way of putting it. When I replayed the Ezio trilogy last week all I could actually think about were my memories as a teenager where I just burned through each release again and again and again. I remembered what houses I lived in for each game, what I was worried about, things I might have had planned, friends I had who enjoyed the games too.
Yup
I feel like Prince of Persia would like to chat about who invented the "run on walls and climb buildings looking cool as heck gameplay"
This is one franchise I could see myself not loving as much in retrospect. At the time, those games were pretty much my absolute favorites. I can remember them being the games that got me into story telling in games. The narrative was hugely eye opening for me. I actually picked them up on steam not too long ago, and I am a little anxious about how I'll like them whenever I play them again.
@@AzureViking I picked up sands of time recently and it's actually still a really smooth experience that I think holds up. The combat is still meh but the running on walls and platforming still feels really good, and if anything I appreciated the characters more. Never realized how much of an elitest prick the prince was and how that's basically the point of it, when I was younger I thought he was just a cool charming adventurer
One thing that will never change is how damn good the music for Bioshock Infinite is
game is still good, this dude is buggin
I revisit that quartet version of "god only knows" at least 3 times a year.
I think the story was muddled and the middle of infinite was messy/boring. But that music has aged like wine.
@@Sk8forsocks It sucked then, and it sucks now. You'll grow up and figure it out one day.
@@a70turbo lil bro makes minecraft videos and has the audacity to talk about “growing up”. Man if you’re too room temperature iq to understand the game its fine.
@@Sk8forsocks Seethe and cope, fangirl. If you want a good Bioshock game, play the first two.
As a kid, I usually assumed that hard games were hard because I was a kid and needed to get better. As an adult, there a several games that I can't go back to because I now know they're hard for other reasons, such as poor controls.
This is why my tastes changed to love walking sims, they can be so relaxing when done right
Poor controls are what you call game that's actually unique. Back in my day games like Tomb Raider, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, WWF War Zone, required you to learn new ways to play and once I mastered them it was a lot more fun. But then the crybabies come and bitch about controls and so now everything feels the same. Yay thanks society. Now I feel like I played every game 100 times
@@I_Am_The_Social_Reject we are the cry babies? Really the way i see it you are the one crying because some folks don't like your childhood games, you guys love to throw the "back in my day argument" like we give a shit
in the industry, that's called a skill issue
@@Fojabass just say you don't compute and move on kid
I think the reason games such as outer wilds and BotW seem like they will be more resilient to this isn't because they are made in a way to prevent this from happening, but because they are made in a way to pretty much guarantee this happens. The awe and wonder you experience in the first playthrough is immediately gone on any subsequent playthrough no matter how long its been since your first one. Whenever you go back to it, you are not playing the same game because your first playthrough WAS the game. And you know this going in when replaying it so it helps to remove disappointment.
Basically what happened with elden ring😂
I've always considered both of those games to be less going to locations to complete a goal, task, whatever and more the act of travel itself. Like I still don't engage much with BotW combat after 200 hours, I'm perfectly good at it and have a nice collection of lynel bows etc. but to me the core gameplay was always picking a landmark or direction to go towards, figuring out how to scale a tall cliff, where to light a campfire to wait through the night etc. The gameplay IS the exploring and the adventure, it's almost entirely movement and mechanics and doesn't need to serve a story or gameplay purpose so I feel like it holds up better than a game which treats the destinations, enemies and rigid pathways as the focus.
I even feel it with Skyrim, exploring a ruin is basically 15 minutes of holding W followed by a dungeon that might not hold up now so may games have done them better. You travel through the world but only to reach the real goal, which might not age as well as the world itself
@@helplmchoking I think you’re onto something. It’s kind of like people create different meta-games that influence how they view and play them. Your meta-game for BoTW is more like mine but Raz’s seems quite different. Speed-runners clearly have an entirely different one. And depending on that meta, the game’s lifespan will vary. Mine has given me around a thousand hours (and still playing it) but someone like Limcube has managed to have fun for 6000 hours (and build a career).
I've not played outer wilds myself, but I've found that replaying breath of the wild had its own appeal. Nothing will ever live up to the first time, but going into the world and knowing whats going on, as well as being significantly more skilled, allows you to experience the game in a way different to the first time.
1000 hours into BotW, can confirm it doesn't have this problem.
I have nearly the opposite problem: I love things less the longer it's been. I convince myself, I'm just being nostalgic. I re-read my favorite story once a year for this reason. Each time I expect to come away disillusioned, and while its flaws become clearer each time, it remains my favorite.
What is your favorite story?
I too would like to know your favorite story
Ahw man im sorry to hear that. Y gotta remember theres nothing wrong with "just being nostalgic" :)
@@tuusolpl8945 You didn't pay attention to the video if you still think there's nothing wrong with being nostalgic.
It distorts your memory and expectations to a unreasonable degree.
@@cormano64 ye thas alri. Its just your memories of videogames/whatever, and theyre pleasent. you dont really *gain* anything by getting rid of nostalgia. He talks about exactly thia in the video too mate. 18:00
The thing that's so necessary about Assassin's Creed 2 specifically is the attention to detail in the level design. Its interpretation of historical Italy and its architectural history is honestly incredible, they did the work to create a legitimate piece of virtual tourism and that makes it timeless
@@breadandcircuses8127 at this point only on the strength of accomplishment in its level design. the recreation of Florence, its significant buildings alone, not to mention the other cities featured in the game...in the series, this is rivaled only by the scale of Unity's Paris and the socioeconomic depictions in Origin's Egypt
@@404err0rpeople can say what they will about AC Origins, but holy shit was it immersive.
The historical nature of the AC games is my favorite part. Doing syndicate right now. Never did AC2 but will have to mow . Glad I own it.
I agree, and having just finished replaying the game in the last month I can say that it really does hold up gameplay wise (aside from a couple odd quirks, such as the beat-em-up quests that felt very forced). I was actually relieved that it's a comparatively short game with fewer side things to do compared to games that came out later, even in the same series. I also replayed AC1 and found it to be unpolished and buggy in spite of its potential which it never quite reached, and think that AC2 is the sweet spot among all the AC games which became too bloated even if the physics improved. And of course, the history. I recently read Machiavelli's History of Florence prior to the replay and was happy to trace the research that the game's developers did and appreciate the work that few gamers would ever notice but which added an additional layer of realism.
@@leo_wentzelnothing better to immerse yourself in a game than a burning horse and Final Fantasy characters dishing it out in the sky
Thankfully every single one of my childhood games aged like fine wine and holds up well to this day (no i wont verify this for myself)
My favorite game as a kid was kingdom hearts two, and I went back to it and liked it even more lol
@@gabagoooby Completely agree with you!
I replayed that game to death as a kid and it's still my favorite game.
@@gabagooobythat's why its a true masterpiece, it still holds up almost 20 years later!
i play morrowind every year and i only love it more and more lol
Resident evil 4 still holds up
The amount of times I hear raz say “I’ve never been more moved” 😂 I love it
BECAUSE WITH EACH TIME IT HAPPENS I HAD NEVER BEEN MORE MOVED BEFORE IT!
but yeah this is my version of when Jacob Geller says "I think about it a lot"
Jacob Geller reference hits hard
Lmao
@@razbuten Missed opportunity to say:
"I have never been more moved, by a comment"
We love ya Raz! 😜
I think an important factor that you didn't mention is that your intentions for playing vs replaying the games are different. When you play the game for the first time you are just trying to… have fun and experience it. Maybe there was some hype around it but you are mostly approaching a new piece of content with a fresh mind. When you replay games though, especially in your case, it seems like you are trying to validate some ideas, and hunting for the "oh wow this was great" moment, which I think colors your perception of the game. You can already see the twists coming, you already know the plot, and you are kind of looking for what you didn't know before, or reaffirming certain built-up ideas of the game.
You already mentioned games like Outer Wilds aren't designed to be replayed but I don't see how games like Majora's Mask are different and it seems like an arbitrary distinction. I personally don't get this whole replayable shtick that gamers / reviewers start to demand of single player games as I find that they lead to unnecessarily needpicky criticisms (e.g. even Outer Wilds sees that criticism sometimes). That's literally not the point of these games! People can play roguelike for example for replayability. But yes unfortunately we will never be able to wipe our memories to try to evaluate a game in 2023 with a fresh mind if we have already played it before.
But yes, some games definitely age more poorly than others. For the memory aspect of it, a funny thing is I think for two of my favorite games (Outer Wilds and The Witness), I didn't actually enjoy them *that* much while playing them. It's only near the end, and also thinking more about them and reading what others were saying that I started to build more appreciation. Does that mean they were bad games though? I think even if the grind was a little tough and unenjoyable (e.g. The Witness had some tough puzzles that stumped me), the post-game analysis and thoughts were part of playing the game as well.
I actually have the opposite reaction to OoT and MM. Trying to replay OoT I almost always come away disillusioned. The one exception being the first time I played Master Quest. But Majora's Mask I adore returning to. Part of it is that MM has what I find to be a deeply alluring replayability hook- since I know where all the masks are, I start planning out routes for each three days to try to optimize my playthrough. Not really a speedrun, more just to avoid downtime. But it's actually really engaging and a form of gameplay that is very rare, perhape unique.
One thing that I feel is rarely talked about in MM is movement. I grew up primarily playing platformers, and the way Link moves in typical Zelda games felt so slow and limited, and it delayed my eventual embrace of the franchise. But in MM, you have Epona like in OoT. Then you have the bunny ears, you can barrel across terrain with the Goron, you have amazing swimming that the franchise is deathly afraid of giving us ever again (even in this game's remake), the Deku gives you bursts of speed, floating, and skipping, and you can make ice platforms.
I find it really appealing to return to again and again when you can change up the mundane task of getting from here to there so much.
I've been playing Majora's Mask for like 15 years, and every time I replay it I enjoy it on a deeper level. It really has a lot going for it, even if it is jank.
I tried to replay OoT recently and I found the pacing to be far slower than what I remembered. It felt like it took ages between finishing the Deku Tree and starting Dodongo's Cavern.
@@KirstyBabait ain't that janky
The Pikmin Zelda game
I think it's important to remember, even as you feel loss over your experience with these titles, it just proves that art is alive. While technically unchanging, the idea that you can come back to something and understand it differently, for better or for worse, is part of that life.
It's the exciting thing about putting things out in the world. But also the extremely sad thing about how difficult it is to play older games due to lackluster preservation for many of them.
It's what keeps creativity alive, I guess. No art can be perfect and the games that might have been a totally unique experience we'd never expected, or combined elements into the perfect combination for what we wanted, or just made such an emotional impact, don't stay perfect to us. We understand different things, value different experiences and play different ways through time so it's only natural that we seek out different experiences
Farcry 3 just doesn’t hit the same 10 years later. Still a great game but not how I remember it. Sometimes we should keep the rose-colored glasses on.
@@xxXDrAwesomeXxx Should we? I think we can learn more from being disappointed than fully satisfied because we can ask, what was I expecting? And go on to make or consume art that fills that need instead. And, of course, the most loving thing you can do to art is let it be.
not really, videogames are atrocious in current year.
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug, and revisiting what you were nostalgic for can be a hell of a hangover.
I love this analogy so much. It's perfect
Cool well I'll just be over here chasing the dragon anyways.
Nostalgia rarely exists in my experience. If a game was good back then it's still good today as long as you play it right. (Don't play old games on an LCD)
Majora's Mask excels somewhere around the halfway point of an initial playthrough, when your mind starts to map everything in the game world together. Exploring and engaging grants you gain a new understanding of the characters and setting, and once that clicks it's an indescribable feeling of empathy, dread, melancholy, etc. You can't really experience it a second time. I was so deeply moved by that game upon my first completion, but upon coming back to it you already know the ins and outs of the game and it's hard to recreate that first contact. In the same way you can never have the "aha" moment of a mystery, for instance.
majora's mask as any other 3d zelda game has aged badly, even skyward sword wich is a 2011 game has aged badly too
@@breadandcircuses8127 very mediocre combat/open world/story/characters
@@Jeanssj98 oot and wind waker have aged fine this is an L
@@mcdonkey500 except no, oot and wind waker are very mid games nowadays
@@Jeanssj98to be a "mid" game it would need competition in a way that actually tried to achieve the same but did it better.
While I enjoy botw and totk, they do vastly different things
If you can give me a compact item based closed-ended 3d action adventure that isn't a hack-and-slash, I would thank you a lot actually. There are a few that I would say are just as good as the old 3d Zelda, but I'm still searching for a "Zelda but better" game
this video makes me appreciate super mario galaxy so much more. its my favorite game of all time, and i replay it atleast once a year if not multiple times, and it never gets old for me. i consider it one of the most finely crafted experiences in gaming.
My favorite game from my childhood. Absolutely correct in saying it's one of the greatest games of all time.
I work in sales and one of the things that has stuck with me from my old boss is that ‘customers will remember how they FELT when they were with you, but they won’t remember what happened’. This advice has helped me so much and I think a similar logic applies here.
Some customers do have simply freakish memories, tbf! 😂😂
I’m a new manager and I’m gonna share those wise words with my team. Thanks for sharing :)
That’s actually a really wise saying I wonder how true it is. It’d be cool if they’d do a study on this but that does not seem feasible lol
"Customers will remember how they FELT when they were with you, buy they won't remember what happened."
I really do have a mind in the gutter sometimes.
@@Torthrodhel haha it probably applies to all trades tbf
You know it's a special game when you replay it years later and it's even better than you remembered.
red dead redemption 2
Heroes of might and magic III for me. Love it more and more every day.
For me - Zelda Ocarina of Time, Half Life 2, Deus Ex Human Revolution AND Mankind Divided and uh... Tetris?
world of warcraft vanilla
*Jedi Academy.*
I’ve replayed a lot of games that I initially loved but have never experienced what you spoke about here. I pretty much still feel the same about them as I always did
Yeah same, I love going back and replaying games
he prolly replays these games with thr mindset that he wants to hate or critisize them
Ditto
Always want to but rarely ever replay anything.
@@drforestQuite same. I have only a few replays. I had multiple playthroughs of Ac brotherhood and 3, Sekiro, Gta 4, BF1 and enjoyed them every time. But yeah the mystery of story is not the same.
I just replayed BioShock infinite again, and had the exact opposite happen. I loved the game even more
Good for you.
Same. Didn't like the plot and gameplay back in 2013, but revisiting it was fun and I just enjoyed the soundtrack and exploring.
@@mattymclaughlin5900 yes, good for him and bad for the youtuber. This whole video is useless subjective rant of someone with a bad memory
@@robosergTV Harsh- but I see what you mean.
I have often felt this way about books. I sometimes miss the days when I was a kid before I developed "taste." When I could just pick up any chapter book at the grocery store book rack and enjoy reading it for what it was. Now before I commit to buying a book I have to go online and read a dozen opinions on whether or not it was "worth" reading.
Maybe that has to do with using money that you may think is more important for something else, in a way you can't afford to buy something bad because you don't know when the next one may be, at least it's what happens to me.
Time is more important than the money. It hurts to expend time on unfulfilling activities. A bad book or game is still a novel experience when you are young. It's tedious to experience the same type of bad repeatedly.
I can still do that. All you need to do is throw your standards out the window and have no expectations, or even negative ones.
Honestly I feel I appreciate media more after having developed taste. Like, sure, I don't blindly enjoy every single movie/book I pick up. But the ones I do, I can gush about why they're so good and get genuinely excited when someone else has seen the same thing. I also genuinely like discussing media (talking about Black Panther 2 was a lot more fun than actually watching it), which I feel I wouldn't be able to do if I weren't the way I am now. It's all about perspectives I guess.
You don't know my pain when dealing with the "Forgotten Realms' books back in the 90's.. Too many books already and some out of print. I was hesitant to get into that series because I knew I'd never get all the books ;(
ok awesome video, very insightful as usual, great points were made, but have you considered that majora's mask is actually still the GOAT and you're wrong
U tryna throw shade on my boy OoT?
Heard he tried 10 more majora's mask like games and they just didn't pan out either
I knew Iron Pineapple was based, BUT NOT THIS BASED. YOUR RIGHT. IT IS THE GOAT
OoT might be more replayable, but MM is and will always be the better game.
@kaleb roark Agreed, I definately like the idea of MM better, the story was great the combat improvements were fun, but one complete playthrough is all I can put myself through, whereas I continually replay OoT.
As a vintage game collector and player, I relate too strongly to this. I am very nostalgic by nature, and it has taken me aback as age has removed the shades of fondness of classics when I replay them. It’s often a reminder of how much I have changed since then.
I tend to feel the same way, I was afraid to replay Koudelka for years because of this, surprisingly the game does still hold up to this day, except for some annoying parts where bad luck would just kill you
I felt this way replaying The Force Unleashed as an adult. Damn shame.
Yikes yeah. Having an awesome looking and semi-decent SW game(with actual lightsaber duels) was a big deal by itself.
It's just the fact we got one at all was probably why we accepted its MANY flaws. Going back to it now is a huge shock to the system. It's very mediocre.
@@Lelende Yeah. It was kind of fun with all the ability combos, but it didn't age that well.
As a huge TFU fan, who just played the games as recently as last year, the game is still great. It has flaws but it's still a blast (QTE's haven't aged well at all)
Are you sure you aren't just getting the PC/PS3/Xbox and PSP/WII/PS2 versions mixed up, they're basically 2 different games and a lot of people consider the ps2/psp/wii version to be the best.
I never had any nostalgia for TFU having first played it when I was like 19.
I think it's a very competent hack and slash game. The force powers are STILL the best of any star wars title and it's fun to slaughter stormtroopers by the dozen. The game has multiple enemy types, a lot of unique locations; what's not to like? One thing I could possibly complain about is the graphics wich are showing their age at some points with muddy textures, especially compared to TFU 2 (even if the sequel is definitely the worse game overall).
never have I felt more vindicated than you bringing up the problems with AC2, not just because I agree with it, but because I thought I was going crazy after revisiting it recently and absolutely not enjoying it as much as I used to
Oh my god look it's JoCat the incredible, famous and handsome animator
AC2 is extremely hard to play after you already played AC: Brotherhood. It's just an improvement in every way.
@@TheKarabanera Definitely disagree, the map of Brotherhood really lacks that variety of urban environments that the previous two had. Just the fact that about 3/4 of the game is just countryside with few houses and small buildings thrown around makes it far less enjoyable to navigate than AC2.
I was worried I would feel the same way about AC4 as I did AC2. I have some nostalgia for AC2, but nothing like I do for AC4. Seeing how clunky AC2 was after all these years made me worry that I would feel the same disappointment for AC4. Replaying it recently, while there are a lot of issues typical of Ubisoft titles, I had a blast with AC4. The game still looked really good, the music was great, the ship gameplay is still as awesome as it was a decade ago etc.. Even the real world animus segments didn't bother me that much compared to the other games. Heavily flawed, especially with those godforsaken escort/trailing missions, but still a fun time.
and I didn't play AC2 before so when I tried it a year ago, (cuz obviously everywhere I saw people worshipping it) I thought there must be something wrong with me as it's not AT ALL better than later ACs
I think all of this is why I love video game music so much - sure, it's not the interactive part, but it's the part that can keep the memories and emotions intact even if the gameplay or story doesn't hit the same anymore. Also, really feel that part about needing to look at games more analytically, which is why I love every time a game comes around that breaks through the barrier and DOES just immerse me in the spectacle.
You were probably listening to Rumbleverse music as you were writing this
It's so weird like I listen to super Mario sunshine music and I just have this strong sense of nostalgia, comfort, and joy. I imagine me playing the game and jumping around isle Delfino. Then I recently played the game and I didn't enjoy it at all and was just finding it frustrating. Then I just listened to the music on its own and then felt those same cozy feelings. I want to go back to an emotion.
I agree, the soundtrack in battlefield 1 and V are so good, they really are the best soundtracks in any video game
Exactly. This. I mostly never replay games but I listen to their soundtracks a lot to relive those memories.
I reckon you're on the money there. All the games from my childhood (GT4, GTA:SA, NFS undergorund 1/2/Most wanted) have music that is consdiered iconic to me, anyone else's opinion be damned
For me it was Bioshock 1.
I remember replaying it recently and just...being annoyed and even got bored to the point of dropping it. Dark Messiah of Might and Magic is also a candidate.
Nostalgia is a powerful drug.
Bioshock 1 is one the best games ever put out
As a kid from a poor background I never had games to play that I could go back and replay. Only since 2020 could I actually play different games on my laptop and I’m really enjoying all those games I missed
Weird flex but ok bro
@@user-sz9vt4sd7yhe’s not flexing, he’s sharing his unique perspective and his appreciation for all the great games he is now enjoying. Be happy for others.
I feel very similar. Even though we had a wii with very few games, I feel like I missed out on a lot of games that I only got to play for an hour at a friends house halfway through the story.
same here. I was always the one watching other kids play so I have this weird nostalgic feeling for them even tho I've never actually played and experienced those games for myself. it's only now that I can afford those and enjoy them like my friends did.
I think it's always good to remember that even if you don't like a game you used to love after a later playthrough, that will never take away from the enjoyment you had during that 1st playthrough. It's already in the past so it is set in stone.
Sure but it can absolutely change how you view that title
@@Huckle15in the present, not how you viewed it in the past. That’s his point
Exactly. I tried to go check EverQuest out again over the years, and goddamn is the game clunky as hell
@@gregoryford2532 The experience itself will never change, only the memory of it. Once you had that enjoyment in the past, time can ruin the memory of it but never the actual experience of it as it's locked in time.
I think most of what you experienced with these games comes down to nostalgia shock. If you play them for a couple of minutes every once in a while, instead of idealize them, you slowly cement your opinion of them in a more realistic and mature way.
I replay my faves every once in a while for maybe an hour or so and this gradually reconciles the negatives while solidifying the positives in a realistic way. One commenter said that you don't miss the game as much as you miss the time you played, and that becomes true if the games live only in your distant memories , but if you keep playing, you bring the game to the present, giving it a fair look at its positives and negatives.
This is destiny 1 fr
This is a good point. Two of my favourite games, dark souls and metroid prime 2, I reply every year or two and I'm never sad or dissapointed by them and that truly might be because I play them so frequently
Gaming is about experiences, and experiences cannot be replicated
Me with Oblivion. Whenever I start to feel nostalgic for it I bring it out and replay it.
Just to remind me of that sweet sweet jank
I don’t play games much but I do love shows and for me my favorites have stayed my favorites so far. Some of them are a little harder to rewatch than others but the reason I love them is because I’m always drawn back to them
The script for this is incredible, super well connected and well made. Thoughtful and personal but informative. Hats off!
"game with time travel does not fully make sense" is not the biggest hottake ngl
I deadass was so moved by Infinite, I quit a dead end job out of the blue. I was cleaning some disgusting gutter in the floor of a kitchen of a restaurant while listening to ‘will the circle be unbroken” and had enough. Worked out well for me
@@donsolo7860 It's a Saturday night and this is how you're spending it? Sad. I doubled my earnings when I left and I'm around 5x now maybe more. That restaurant is gone.
@grumpygrump that's great to hear man. Hope there's many more great things to come for you ✌🏾
needed to hear this--that it can get better--thank you
@@lukesguywalker it absolutely can get better don't lose hope and always keep a lookout for better opportunities, I was in a dead end temp job for about 8 months with the hopes of being hired on as an actual employee with better pay and benefits dangled in my face if I worked hard, was working 6 12 hour days and still struggling to pay bills, eventually I got burned out and stopped showing up
went to a job fair shortly after and met a recruiter for a job in oil and gas, they hired me on and I got to travel and make great money for a few years, after a while I decided I didn't want to travel anymore and became a union electrician and my life is 1000x better than it was just 4-5 years ago, it can always get better you just have to keep your eye out for better opportunities and don't allow the dark times to swallow you like it nearly did to me
@@lukesguywalker Sometimes it does. A lot of the time it doesn't. Life is often tough and bleak and most of the time for most people things never get better. People just like to hear feel-good stories of how someone pulled out of a slump and ended up with money or a wife and kids or whatever but that doesn't happen most of the time.
This mostly reaffirms my personal motto, "Let your fond memories remain memories." Nostalgic revisitings rarely live up to how we think they'll go.
That is a great way to look at it, i think i ll use it from time to time but sometimes the memories can be exceeded. I have revisited Warframe after a long time and while i had fun with the new quests i don't know how long will i stick around, in this case it was better as a memory. On the other hand i have also replayed Morrowind to finish it after years, and i can say that i had as much if not more fun with it, it lived up to the memory and then some (Admittedly when i played it first i literally used it to try and learn English, so its a different kind of fun but whatever)
Occasionally they can still hit. I played Transformers Fall of Cybertron last year for its 10 year anniversary and it was just as enjoyable as I remembered.
Nah there's games that absolutely stand the test of time though.
I say better to go for it. What have you really lost if you're disappointed? You still had the great time you originally had, nothing can ever take that away. And alongside gaining a new perspective on art, you stand a chance to have another great time all over again. Grab what you can, when you can, because one day you can't, and then you'll regret it. Like who knows when a piece of old tech will fail, or a licencing law will get randomly tightened, or a company will simply decide to stop supporting something and remove it from everywhere? Who knows what your health's going to be tomorrow, or if you'll even have a roof over your head? If you think it might be fun today and you have the spare time, give it the chance, and if it turns out it isn't, well you found out, which is no worse than if you hadn't. I have had an awesome time returning to several old games and am certain it's not the last time. Even ones I've been relatively disappointed by I've still had fun with.
"Memories are nice, but that's all they are"
-rikku
Beautiful video. I think that applies to absolutely everything - games you loved, movies, your favorite band from high school. And I love going back to them from time to time. The thing is: you should never approach something that was meaningful to you as it still should be, or if it was meant to hit you the same way it once did. Approach those things as the person that you once were, and you should be able to both enjoy the nostalgia AND appreciate how much you've changed.
Loved Infinite, came back 10 yrs later, still love it.
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@@TonyBustaroniI feel the same .... infinite is like a seriously 2/10
Loved infinite, came back frequently since it’s release to play it and now I hate it.
Bioshock 1 and 2 have aged like a fine wine, whereas infinite has aged like a loaf of bread that was already on the turn.
This is why every game in my "best" list are games i have played several times in different points in my life. That makes those games actually grow with me.
What games are those if I may ask?
I want to know too
We need a list man
Yesss please
If it doesn't hold up when you're 100 years old, then it never was that great to begin with, you were just young and stupid.
Seeing the cracks of something you previously enjoyed can really devalue your experience of said thing
Sad but true
it is called, childhood
Huh, no.
@@6200Morten na, that can happen any time and on the other hand. Many childhood favorites stand the test of time.
Have you heard of the critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV? With an expanded free trial which you can play through the entirety of A Realm Reborn and the award winning Heavensward expansion up to level 60 for free with no restrictions on playtime.
Pretty great to be able to do this, I think a lot of us just stick by whatever feeling we had back when and refuse to accept any different analysis. Big props to the very idea of reevaluating your favs outside of nostalgia’s grip, which can be so strong.
One game series that I often come back to is the Mass Effect trilogy. That game is a masterpiece in my opinion. Some people may see that ME1 is outdated and the gameplay is "old" but the story is still what makes it amazing. If you can accept that it's not a new game then the world that they built is truly magnificent! ME 2 and 3 plays like a more modern game so it's easier to play but still the story is there and it makes it worthwhile to play!
The trilogy as a whole is a masterpiece. Even if the ending of 3 was not that great or the story of 2 feels like a missed opportunity from ME1 story, they all still handle things very well especially 3.
@@MODDED7I’m playing the legendary edition now and I’ve never played any of them. I’m currently on ME1. I hope the other 2 games stay this good. I love the feeling I get of feeling like I’m actually in space with these characters. The atmosphere is amazing!
@@SquarePenix. Awesome! If your enjoying Mass Effect 1 that much then you'll 100% love ME2 and 3. They only get better with the gameplay and especially the music.
I just want to take a moment to say thank you for adding proper subtitles! It means a lot to those of us who rely on subtitles to fully understand and enjoy the video. It's appreciated. Thank you.
Seconded. I'm always really pleasantly surprised when I turn on the subtitles and they're... you know, actual real subtitles. Love to see it.
@@AliceDiableaux I have the same issue with shows I watch, the subtitles are either wildly wrong or un synced to the video by a minute (either fast or slow, toss up between the two depending on how the app feels I guess)
Iirc UA-cam defaults to no CC, makes me wonder how many creators aren't aware of it, becuase I can't think of anyone thinking "I'm not going to click the CC box because fuck people who want CC". I can only imagine it's unknown.
Chiming in with the same thing. I'm not hard of hearing but I'm autistic enough to have always watched everything with subs, ever since I was a kid. I can definitely process what I'm hearing better with subs, and relying on CC's gets things across just fine generally, but it's always nice to see people make the effort, especially considering people who actually *are* hard of hearing.
@@themurderofcoke You have to manually type in the closed captions you don't just "click the CC box"
I just played the bioshock games for the first time because everybody was praising them and I loved them. Games dont have to be perfect, they just have to feel perfect.
I just started bioshock last week, got the whole trilogy on sale for $15AUD (a steal). I'm really enjoying myself so much, the gameplay is fun and the world building is so compelling, but by far my biggest issue with it right off the bat was "so we're really indiscriminately killing these residents of a secluded realm that we happened to stumble upon and we seem to be oddly okay with it." So I imagine replaying a game can really highlight issues like that 😅
Edit: so I'm now almost done with it and, well... Let's just say my initial impression wasn't a narrative oversight.
I’m just too critical of games to enjoy them when someone already did it much better.
I can never get over how poorly implemented Infinites gameplay is compared to Bioshock 1 and 2.
I enjoyed Infinite at first, but like almost all games it was repetitive and stale.
Commenter: "I like this game"
Half the replies: "well I don't and so you shouldn't either"
Let people enjoy things repliers, it ain't hard
The ending of Infinite made me so excited for the future of the franchise. An anthology series with wildly different settings based on the same premise: "There's always a man, a lighthouse, a city." Then the DLC closed that door real quick.
nostalgia is one hell of a drug
When I was younger I had bioshock 2, which I played a little and thought was cool but was too young to beat it because it was confusing and difficult. A couple years ago I bought the collection and played through the games (and DLC) back to back and loved every moment of 1 and 2 but saw all of infinites problems on my first play through, making it instantly the worst one in my eyes. I still enjoyed the game, particularly the DLCs, but it didn't come close to masterpiece status for me. My favourite of the games now is probably 2, it has my favourite weapons, story and plasmids.
Infinite should be viewed as an anti-bioshock game. It's premise is the illusion of choice. Rather than moral or immoral choices actually affecting the outcome.
Yeah I feel if you enjoyed the first two, infinite will always be tainted. Bioshock is one my favorite games (went back and replayed it. Still love it) and Bioshock Infinite is one of my least favorite games ever.
Played the original Bioshock at launch and loved it, instantly an all time top 10. Played Infinite at launch too but just didn’t like playing it, still completed it but did it out of duty more than anything. I still can’t quite put my finger on what made it so frustrating to play as it wasn’t difficult or anything
This is gonna sound really weird, but I think Bioshock 2 best captured the feeling of being an estranged father. That feeling that you just want to do right by your kid, but her mother hates you and the whole thing is an uphill struggle that you undertake because it is just the right and decent thing to do. I especially loved that the different endings were defined by the girl learning from your own choices throughout the game how she ought to behave in turn.
In a sense, Bioshock Infinite was the total opposite of that. You play the worst father ever and it all goes to crap in the end anyway.
I thought infinite was dog compared to 1 and 2.
I think retro-reviews and replays often fail to recapture the magic because most people aren't trying to reply a game, they're trying to re-experience an emotion.
A lot of good storytelling works similarly to a magic trick. Just like a good illusion, a good story will have setup, misdirection and payoff. Sometimes you come out of a story wondering how it made you feel the way it did, but understand the "trick" often takes away the magic.
A lot of stories aren't made to be told twice. It's not bad storytelling per se, so much as the plot intentionally sacrifices logical consistency to deliver the intended punch, and if it does things right you don't actually realize it doesn't make sense until either a second go, or somebody points a core flaw out to you.
It's not a problem exclusive to video games (and debatably it's not even a problem), but I do think gaming suffers more because gaming gets away with shallower stories and cheaper twists than some other media because the nature of interactivity builds a personal investment easier than the passive role most people take in other media. In gaming, we don't watch the magic trick, we participste in the show.
I usually find stories like that are pretty shallow in the moment as well though. Most of the best stories aren't built off of a magic trick, but usually a communication and demonstration of a human truth.
It's fun to experience a magic trick like Bioshock 1 every once in a while, but a story that gets deep down and explores the nuances of life like an MGS3 is pretty much timeless and endlessly replayable.
This is why fans of movies are better rewarded. You get movies like Marvel schlock, sure, but get high quality things like City of God, Hereditary, Oldboy or Zodiac, which rewards rewatches and can be enjoyed once by their cheer excellence in storytelling and character depth. Those things are rarely present in games, and not in the same level.
@@TheLingo56 I couldn't agree more. I would go as far as to disagree entirely with OP and say that that _is_ bad storytelling. In my opinion, and it is just that, a story that can only be told once isn't a story worth telling.
@@LunamrathP what about the story in The Outer Wilds. The full impact can only be experienced once
@@lesedimokgobi7399 You make a fair point, in that I think about the story of Outer Wilds all the time and would not at all mind experiencing that aspect of the game again. So there is a manner of subjectivity to it.
If you're talking about the fact that the game itself can't be fully experienced more than once, I would consider that an entirely different subject from the topic of storytelling.
I feel like at least one aspect of this is also the fact that games have an impact on subsequent games. If a game excels at something, it shapes and influences new games a few years later. Games as a media constantly improves and reforms as a whole and what made Bioshock Infinite great back then is part of the DNA of games that came afterwards.
Yuh! I talk about that in here with AC2! Keep watching!
@@razbuten I was actually right at that point and wrote the comment as you were speaking. You're saying that AC2 is the Ubisoft rule, but I'd say it's a bit different.
If a game like AC2 shapes the genre or industry as much as it does, I wouldn't consider it the "first offender". It's often called the "Ubisoft formula" and I'd say that word fits better, because it aknowledges, that it started becoming the "norm" after AC2.
It's not just games, it happens with things like film and TV too. There's a trope called "Seinfeld is Unfunny" that basically stems from the fact that Seinfeld was such an enormously popular and influential TV show that things that made it seem fresh and novel at the time now just seem like a parade of clichés, because they've been copied so widely by things that came after it.
And yet there are movies, books, TV series, etc. that still hold up decades or even centuries later even despite the fact that they've been copied countless times. For games too there are true classics that stand the test of time. I think a unique challenge for games is that a player needs to put in dozens (or hundreds) of hours to complete them, which is a higher cost compared to rewatching movies or even re-reading books. Combine this with the fact that outdated mechanics can be tedious (e.g., fetch quests, random battles, unstoppable cutscenes, empty open worlds, etc.) and it makes sense that very few games truly stand the test of time.
@@thatanimeweirdo It's absolutely true that AC2 has power in gaming history as a trendsetter, but as discussed in the video, that doesn't affect the play experience. It could be said to make the game special, but that context doesn't change the fact that when you play the game it will feel similar to other games, which might even do what it does better. Either way, it will feel redundant. Why play a game that's only historically interesting?
I’d argue that the issue with every game brought up here is they all thrive off of the sense of wonder you get when first experiencing the game. All of these games use that wonder as a unique mechanic to keep you engaged and ignorant of the smaller flaws in the game’s design. However, once the game is revisited, you already know what is coming, and as such focus on the smaller details, which in the case of these games hurts the experience.
Have you ever gone to Sea World twice? The first time you go, you focus on the animals and the water, and you are content. The second time you go, you focus on the wait times, the maintenance, and the quality of the exhibits. Afterwards, you begin to question why you liked it so much the first time.
For the replay of a game to hold up, it needs to be a fundamentally sound game that can survive once the magic fades. Many games just aren’t built to do this. They focus on making sure the players get through that first play through, and that’s okay. I consider a game to be good if it was able to inspire me to want to even play it a second time. If I can enjoy the game a second time, then the game goes from good to great.
I've always been a firm believer of NOT replaying games. Lots of unique traits are improved and expanded upon in the coming years, lots of aesthetics aren't that unique to survive the test of time without being idealized by our nostalgia, and a game played for its stellar story was already experienced and will almost never hit as hard again, sadly.
If none of these are true, however, and you can separate the quality of game from your nostalgia and care for it, then I really believe you found a gem.
I would say that some games are designed to be replayed, and plenty of games are better than you realize.
This is actually really strange considering I just had a very opposite experience you did with infinite. When I was young I really didn't like it because nothing in the story and time travel stuff added up. But as an adult I played through it again and actually really enjoyed it. Not for the story but for the atmosphere and spectacle. It felt fresh to me in the modern day where so many big games have no soul to them. It's weird how opposite our experiences with it are.
This is such a wonderful counterpoint. I wonder if you growing up gave you the ability to be critical in a way that let the game shine for what it was, while for Raz it forced him to see what it was. Similar paths, just opposite directions.
I haven’t played any Bioshock (I wish I could, but I am physically incapable of playing first person games, depressingly) but I feel this way about any game with soul. Games that get critiqued for not making enough “sense” or “not saying something meaningful” just feels weird to me. Why does it have to say something deeply meaningful? Why can’t it just be a great game with a great soul? If I thoroughly enjoy something and it makes me excited and happy, why isn’t that what matters the most?
@@fluffyphoenix8082 I feel like expectations are a huge factor. Young Razbuten didn't see the inconsistencies and had his mind blown by the story so when he revisited as an adult expecting the same thing he was disappointed. Young me being a huge fan of the other bioshocks went in expecting an extremely deep story with meaningful twists and turns and was disappointed but old me went in expecting a fun shooter and was delighted by the world building, atmosphere and spectacle. I feel for you not being able to play I have a friend who has a similar issue and it sucks not being able to share those experiences with him.
I’m the same way. I hated infinite on my first play through as I liked the first two games so much. Played it a month or so again and found myself invested in it
@@fluffyphoenix8082 The main difference is that some games try to be meaningful, but just aren't. If a game is just meant to be meaningless fun out the gate, that's fine. It's when games obviously try and fail to have some "deep meaning" that it gets annoying.
The "give me back my daughter" scene lives rent free in my brain and it always will. Honestly, the game being objectively good or bad doesn't matter to me because the story had such an impact on me.
Put some rent on it ,maybe you could get some money out of it with all those quantum realities out there ;D
Same, Infinite is just a fantastic game.
Games can't be objectively good or objectively bad. Everything in art is subjective. If someone genuinely loves Ride to Hell Retribution or Duke Nukem Forever, then those are good games to them. Any objective qualities are irrelevant.
@@OperatorError0919 No one gives a fuck.
Say what you want about Troy Baker, the man can really act
bioshock infinite is probably my most replayed game ever. i have about 200 hours of playtime in this game and i still come back for another round every year.
Despite what you put in your own pinned post, I think you articulated well enough your feelings on Majora's Mask in a way that made *me* think about your experience in a meaningful way. Yours is such a different feeling on it from mine, where you left it alone to stew in the dreamy, half-remembered state of childhood where I played it to death, beating it a few times over in quick succession as a kid and revisiting it every year or two since then. I don't think I love it any less now and I don't think that the mythology that surrounds it and shapes the way the internet as a whole discusses it is any less valuable, even when you've come back to it and realized that you'd made something grander of it in your head than it actually is.
I think a lot of value comes out of a game's ability to make an impression like that: to leave you thinking about it years later, for better or for worse. It's impossible to recapture the exact feeling you got the first time you played a game, but you can definitely stew around in it longer if you're willing to hold onto these things as tightly as I did with MM or ended up doing with the Souls games when I played Dark Souls 1-3 in the span of a month surrounding 3's launch, then kept playing 3 for another thousand hours of PvP, replays, co-op runs, modded runs, etc. I don't rightly remember what my first run was like anymore, but my last still leaves me with such a favorable opinion because I like pressing circle and R1 at the right time so much.
The throughline between feelings on a game and the actual quality and merit of a game is hard to trace. I think Dragon Quest 3 might actually be the single greatest video game of all time. I'd rate it among my top 5 in a heartbeat. I don't have a lot of fun playing it, but it's not intolerable these days like it was the first time I'd bounced right off it when I was six or seven. That harsh diversion from reality that my ideals and standards take isn't something I struggle to reconcile even if I could never properly articulate it to someone else. It would be a Tim Rogers-esque undertaking across 8 hours to try to get across, "Slimes have 8 HP, are worth 4 EXP and 2 gold, and they feel good to kill, setting you up to enjoy killing much tougher guys in 20-30 hours."
The purpose and process of analyzing media is heady and makes for engaging discourse and leaves room for things like spectacle, but I don't know if it leaves a lot of room for vagaries of the heart. Sometimes you hear a piece of music that gives you goosebumps and demands all the pressure in your sinuses and there's no good reason for it other than because you felt something in response to art, and maybe the artists didn't even intend it. The moment you start looking for why you felt that way, you lose some of the essence of what made you feel that feeling in the first place. For some people it can be replaced with an equally fulfilling feeling, that aforementioned heady sensation, and for some they diminish it so little that they're not missing out on much, but it instantly becomes something difference. The alien dread that comes with the first few bars of Majora's Theme has worth without critical analysis as to why, in the well-articulated language of music, it causes that feeling. I think the same can be said of our love for things we've experienced and since moved on from, even if the memories of those experiences don't stand up to our current scrutiny.
Anyway, cool TED Talk, thanks for coming to mine too.
Memories and nostalgia often combine to make people remember the feeling of something at that time in your life versus the actual reality of what it was. People who "miss" video rental stores like Blockbuster forget what it actually was like and only remember the positive feeling of being a carefree kid on a Friday night, for instance.
Great comparison. As much as it was fun to go to Blockbuster, pick out a movie, get the popcorn etc people forget it was mildly inconvenient (movie you want not being there, driving 20 mins to get there etc) but I believe it was the “community” aspect of it that was so appealing. Look at gaming now, since the Xbox 360/PS3 era the in game lobbies and random custom game parties were in abundance… now not so much. There is a huge nostalgia for that era now too, and 2 of the games in this video came out during that time
@@docmitchell4658And I think in modern society, community is missing. Sure streaming is convenient, but it also isolates people from one another.
@@kratos823 He was just wrong. It was enjoyable to go to the video store and walk around reading the backs of boxes. And I have no idea where people live that it took 20 minutes to drive to a video store. Then what you rented you appreciated and watched because there weren't 10 million other options at your fingertips once you got home.
Yep, I was terrible about forgetting to bring the tapes back and having to pay late fees. Or going to get a specific movie you've been wanting to see, and it's all checked out. Yeah I don't miss it.
@@cmdrfunk I agree with the points you’ve raised. I don’t live in the USA so may have a different perspective than you. I loved Blockbuster, bought a few of my favourite games there and rented great movies there too.. I was just saying that objectively speaking it was an inconvenience compared to today’s setup.
20 mins in USA driving is 10 miles down a straight road living the dream… 20 minutes elsewhere in the world is 3 miles but stuck in inner city traffic on small roads for 17 of those 20 mins.
Perspective.
I recently played Majora's mask for the first time, and I had VERY minimal nostalgia for it, pretty much all I did as a kid was mess around in clock town, because as you said in the video it's hard to grasp the time loop mechanic as a kid. But even though I called myself a big Zelda fan ever since I played OoT, I just remember thinking I didn't really need to experience Majora's mask because it was just the less popular version of OoT, and the thought of understanding the time loop scared me. I heard that it was "dark" and "depressing" but I thought when people said that they meant that it was for a Nintendo game, (kinda like the ending of link's awakening.) So I went into the game with lower expectations. And now I'm considering weather I like it MORE than OoT, because it really surprised me with just how emotional the game really could be. I felt the fear and dread that the npcs did when the final day was nearing an end, and the realization that I'm not really saving anyone or helping anyone, but just abandoning timelines to hopefully save the world hit me like a truck. The time loop mechanic that used to scare me away from the game was one of my favorite parts of it. I'm not saying all of this to try and convince you to like MM or anything, it's just that I agree with you that it's not that the game has aged poorly, but that expectations and poor memory can really ruin something you used to love.
I think that, in Raz's case, it's more about the fact he originally disliked the game but afterwards got taken in by the hype and subconsciously edited his own memories with the game to make it better than what it was.
As for me, I've replayed MM recently after first playing it as a teen and I still liked it.
It's also worth considering whether to play the original N64 version (or a port) or the 3DS remaster - the latter has a mix of improvements and disimprovements (and some more-or-less neutral changes), so picking the better version is non-trivial...
Don't ever listen to anybody when they describe a game (or movie, or book, etc.) to you. They're always full of it. Experience it for yourself. Assume other people are morons and ignore them. Good rule of thumb.
I never played OoT or MM on the original n64. I did not even play OoT until my late teens and MM even later. I seriously think that you cannot only play a game as a kid and then more than a decade later and find the same game.
So after playing many different games, OoT was still amazing. Explore a world that to me was new (first Zelda game), puzzle together the timelines and the still clear goals and how to achieve them (most of the time). I am pretty sure if I replay it now (especially withmy gf who would see it for her first time), my nostalgia might pull me through enough to ignore some dated and mostly slow segments. The story and world would still be intriguing, even if the gameplay itself would be hampered by the dated design.
MM however, to me, does the opposite. I kind of knew what to expect also due to learning about the zelda lore after getting more invested in zelda with BotW. But the way you control everything, I just could not be bothered to deal with the old (control) design. I got so frustrated trying to find stuff and do them in time before a day ended, or do aiming with horrible controls. I do not think I lasted even 1 cycle, maybe not even a full day. So unfortunately, I do not think I will ever play MM, since I do not have the nostalgia to make it through.
You say that, but MM really didn't age that well either. Some of it is still good today, sure, like the atmosphere, but there are other elements, such as the controls, that I'll never understand someone pretending are good. Not that you are specifically, but that you hear people online say things like that. To me MM did age somewhat poorly. The way it looks, from the textures, to the models, is very iconic and does, to a degree anyways, lend itself to the overall atmosphere, as I noted before. That said, it's an ugly game in a lot of ways and the advancement in video games has shown me that. There is a way someone could fix the game up to be more bearable to loop at while keeping 99 or 100% of that appeal and that's what I'd love to see. Metroid Prime is a good example-- though I'm rambling at this point.
AS II is a perfect example of “the “this feels so cliche and derivative” and then you remember this is actually one of the OGs and it’s the opposite in context” effect
Some things are meant as a once in a lifetime journey and/or experience. Certain games and other forms of media fall under this category as well. Prime example would be the original Mass Effect trilogy, which I played about almost a decade after they first released. That journey, with *MY* specific Shepard, created so many beautiful and painful memories, that I will forever cherish them in the way I first (originally) experienced them. That is why I will never replay that trilogy, even though it was one of the most impactful media/cultural experiences I’ve ever had. Replaying it would not only diminish the fun and ‘’wow factor’’, but it would also destroy all those precious *original* memories.
Sometimes it is better to reminisce the original moment, instead of trying to recreate that ‘’same’’ experience at a later point in time.
I played the ME trilogy about 5 times by now, everytime fantastic. I can not agree with you, sorry.
To each his own but I also disagree with the sentiment. Over the years I've replayed through the trilogy at least a dozen times and each playthrough was different, changing your gender makes a difference, who you romance can change your outlook, your background can change your views, the specific event that made you "famous" as well, and of course paragon/renegade system. And all that without even mentioning the 6 different classes that completely change your gameplay.
The entire trilogy is one of the most replayable games I've had the pleasure of experiencing.
it's ok to consider something a personal favorite simply because it opened your eyes to something new and exciting, even if you find it lacking in the grandeur you remember upon revisiting it. the shows "are you afraid of the dark?" and "so weird" remain some of my absolute favorites even though i KNOW if i were to actually sit down and watch any of the episodes now, i'd probably physically injure myself cringing lol. but i still love them because they introduced me to the wonders that can be found in horror, scary stories, and mystical thinking and nothing can change that. so it's ok for you to enjoy infinite despite you recent revelation because it's the game that inspired you to explore video games on a deeper level. you wouldn't be where you are without it
I think there's an importance of separating your experience then from your experience now.
For example, growing up, I really loved the game Marvel Ultimate Alliance because it was a fun beat 'em up game with my favourite superheroes that I played with my brothers.
If I played it now I'm sure I'd probably find it dull and the graphics incredibly dated. Does that cheapen my original experience? No, because I'm aware of the separation.
I think the disappointment that the guy in the video is talking about largely comes from expectations. If he went into those games with the mindset that they'll probably be worse, but that he knows he had fun as a kid then I think he'd still have a lot more of the respect of those games that he used to.
That's a long-winded way to say "It's okay to like things that suck for emotional reasons"
This is actually a really good way to describe my growing with Ocarina of Time. It was an iconic game, it did a ton for gaming, hell, it got me INTO video games. But as much as I appreciate it, I have to acknowledge the bad parts(like the repetitive combat cycles, the fact that the game itself aged like milk, so on). And as a result, I have a healthy appreciation for a game that has widely been considered one of the best, but not TOO much of an appreciation that I get lost in that nostalgic hype.
I mean I still watch “are you afraid of the dark?” to appreciate the practical effects, and the “so bad it’s good” acting (although that point holds more with the goosebumps tv show)
But yh, highly recommend a rewatch of ur fave episodes if you haven’t in a while
I think we also should accept that things can be great in different ways than they used to. I loved "Are You Afraid of the Dark" because it was spooky and cool, now I love it because it is cheesy, spoopy, and nostalgic. The flaws and camp of it is the personality that gives it quality.
Don't go into it expecting it to be the same, go into it seeing what made it so fun. You know what it is, so don't watch it for what it ain't.
And maybe make it a watchparty with friends (who watched the show) and alcohol...
That is a really interesting video. I've just replayed the Ezio trilogy for the first time since their release and have been a bit surprised that my memory of AC2 was mixed up with that of ACB. Some details I remembered were actually from ACB which is superior to AC2 on some points.
I also wonder how the perception we have of a game is influenced by what we've played and experienced just before. I replayed AC2 after having finished the Witcher 3 for the first time, with the DLC. And while the game was great, it felt very long in the end. I wanted something lighter and shorter. Thus I decided to focus entirely on the story and ignore every secondary mission in AC2. I had a blast rediscovering this founding stone of modern gaming and finishing it in less than 20 hours. It has aged, it's far from perfect, but there is a great variety in the missions and, contrary to ACB and ACR nothing gets in your way to progress the story by forcing you to play a minigame or other secondary missions. Do I still think it's the greatest AC game of the series? Probably not, but I believe that being the first one to consolidate the Ubi formula, it was simpler and more enjoyable than new titles that are overloaded with irrelevant content. With less time than ten years ago, I find myself enjoying short games more than new RPGs full of crafting systems and other xp points that artificially lengthen the play time.
Great video, I think going back and re-analyzing old ideas, games, media in general should be something everyone does. It really helps to keep everything in perspective, of why you are who you are and what matters to you in media. The one thing I love about my favorite games of old is that the ones I truly adore, I love because of the gameplay and the characters not so much the story. Mercenaries and Splinter Cell are some of my favorites because they really let you live out a fantasy either of being a missile happy mercenary or a cloak and dagger spy.
As always outer wilds makes an appearance, along with the the music. How the heck did they make something so good
man i wish i liked it tbh. don't get me wrong i acknowledge that it's awesome, just sadly not a game i could really get 100% into.
It’s sooo tedious in the end when you are just searching for the last things.
I loved in the beginning but Would never replay it (until the rose tinted Nostalgia googles take over probably)
@@jeffboy4231 it happens, at least you tried! I appreciate you trying
@@bnjkf9u3 I disagree. The log does a good hob of telling you what you misées but we can agree to disagree
Bro one of the best games for sure. The experience was surreal. My only complaint was the last step to get into ash twin was very obtuse. And sadly it's a once in a lifetime experience. Even though I did enjoy the subsequent replays, nothing will ever hit the same as discovering everything for the first time.
Your reaction to Majora’s Mask is the reason why I’ve never played it, been tempted to because of the aesthetic, conversation, and how so many people cherish it, but I know myself well enough to know that it’s not for me, I want it to be but it’s not
You can at least try, if it isn't for you, u can just drop it
@@matheusnunes234
The game costs money no?
@@ddm_gamer emulators
@@ddm_gamer not if they already have the switch online subscription
But have you played other zelda games ?
This game stands out to me because it's the first game I ever played with headphones on. I was blown away by that and everything else
Imagine not going back to Final Fantasy 8 and being excited every time you get shot into space to save Rinoa. So silly.
This actually reminded me of a motel my family went to when I was a child on a vacation to Cape Cod. Over a decade later my parents wanted us to all go back to Cape Cod and I was extremely hesitant because I thought the reality could not possibly compare to my memory
(And in case you're wondering, the motel wasn't absolutely perfect the second time around, but it was still a great, great time)
As a game dev being analytical about every game I play is removing part of the fun for me. I hate and love it at the same time. Great video and great content, as usual!
Yeah. As a writer, I can relate. If you want to make the best product you can, you've got to foster a brain that can see all the flaws, and understand the pieces that the whole thing is made up of. A real downside, when suspense of disbelief is so integral to enjoying them.
Same with me and music, 10 years of music education make me nitpick and analyse most things. Luckily it somehow only extends to classical music, so I can still enjoy other genres. Also, performing is still always a thrill as it is so much different from just listening
@gerry3755 if you could go back, would you chose a different career path than that of a game dev to enjoy games again ?
As a Game Dev, I *ESPECIALLY* reccomend you start doing challenge runs of games. It allows you to analyze all the individual choices the dev team made for PC interactions; and it massively opens your perspective on the pacing and tension/relief choices and possibilities.
@@winpvpghost not really. I still enjoy playing games and love my job. But I tend to look for new genres or new mechanics more than how I was used to. ( Finding myself scrolling pointlessly on steam trying to find something good for me is hard eheh ). Also the amount of available time is a factor to consider, as Razbuten mentioned in the video as well.
Let's say it's a different perspective which removes part of the magic.
I cant explaim all your questions but there are two that I can.
1. People affected by booker and Elizabeth's tear traveling are those that they encountered already dead or killed by booker and elizabeth themselves. Their presence triggers this. Hence the soldiers that are loosing their minds in one sequence
2.Lady Comstock can easily be explained away by the possession vigor over charged by resonance energy. We see a long animation play out before she bursts forth and she has the same exact green glow as the possession vigor.
Egoraptor put it best, minor improvements can't fix an ultimately flawed game. The story in Infinite is just plain bad
I still love Infinite, but I also really love this video. Like I might not feel the same way about the same things, but I do entirely understand what you mean and I really appreciate your conclusion. Great job it's a lovely video.
There does seem to be a balance between going with the flow and enjoying an experience at face value, and scrutinizing it for any flaws, inevitably dampening or even ruining your experience. That isn't to say we shouldn't be analytical or in-depth, but we can argue ourselves into almost any position. It's like being in a relationship with someone who looks for any excuse to be miserable with their partner.
The problem is that he's a game critic , it explains it
@@MrLachapell Yeah this and content creation will jade any gamer over time
@@glthegamemaster4197 that and having to discern every tiny detail of a game , gameplay, graphics, plot, etc.. will burn out anyone
I think Infinite received the critical acclaim it did precisely because of a lack of scrutiny from games journalists. It was never deserving of that much praise, and it's taken us this long to finally start acknowledging that.
Eh, honestly I think acknowledging a game’s flaws give one a more nuanced understanding of it and why they like it. I don’t see that as a fault.
I think this holds true for all media. I'll pretty regularly go back and watch old shows, or read old books and have that thought: "why did I ever like this?" I find it sad, but also almost liberating, in a strange sort of way.
Except for Buffy. I rewatch Buffy and still love it. In fact, some of the episodes I thought were kind of crappy I now like better. The only thing I wish is that I could watch Buffy and Angel for the first time again. I wish I didn't know where the story is going.
rewatching old amateur web series that I was a fan of as a teen is a weird experience.
I think that rewatching something with a friend who has never seen it helps a lot.
@@bittripboy I agree. It is why I love reaction videos on Buffy for new viewers. A bit obsessed I am.
This video made me realize Bioshock Infinite, The Last of Us and GTA V all came out in 2013. Holy cow, what a year for gaming. I still feel a sense of spectacle over Bioshock Infinite, but the last time i played it (for the 4th time) was in 2016. Now, I’m almost afraid to play it again because I don’t want to lose those feelings like you did, but i can totally understand how that may happen over time. Like you basically said, we are very different people today than we were 10 years ago.
Sounds like you haven't played good games if you think those are good
@@baddog6003sounds like you need mental help bro 😂
@@l8nghts You're the one that needs mental help if you think the Unfun version of Uncharted, Bioshock Infinitely Stupid, and the worst of the entire GTA franchise are good at all.
GTA V is a pretty mediocre game, even for 2013 standards. Don't know why it got so much attention...It's boring, ugly, the story feels rushed, the characters have 0 development...
@@mercylavigneIdk which gta5 you played. Sure not my fav, but it has a lot of plus points. Not medicore by any means.
I feel this in many ways, at my age I see much more clearly the issues with my old favourites and I'm not sad at all to change my mind. I still have my old nostalgia and memory of how good I thought it was. And I've learned how to enjoy games for what they were. It's part of the fun to try to learn how things were in the world at that moment in time and immerse yourself in that via a videogame, of course with the proper controller IMO.
I'm relieved that I can still
play Kirby Superstar's co-op with every kind of new gamer friend I get and its always the Kirby GOAT. I hit the credits with them I'm still mad there isn't more enjoyable and digestible co-op games for anyone to play. It might not have been THEIR most enjoyable game genre but we have a ton of fun playing through it together.
I played Majora's mask for the first time ever back in 2020, and its one of the few N64 games I've played, I had an absolute blast. I think what helped is that I had heard that it was good, but I wasn't engaged in the conversation so much that it got glorified, I had seen many videos critiquing it long before I played it and when I finally did I went in without a pre-conceived notion of it being god's gift to mankind
The whole Ben Drowned pasta really skewed people's ideas on how dark and creepy Termina is IMO, when it's really not THAT kind of creepy and unsettling. Yes, there's a moon set to fall within three days, but unless you talk to every NPC that doesn't do anything each day, you don't really feel the "doom is slowly approaching" vibe.
It's barely any darker than Ocarina of Time was, it's just that in OoT you can't see Ganondorf taking over Hyrule because you're skipping 7 years, while in Termina you can see the moon crash down and destroy the town of you don't reset in time.
I think for newer players that’s the best route to go, go in blind or without any expectations. Not because the game is bad, but because the reason why people like me do have a lot of nostalgia and love for the game is we were kids going in blind having a blast. Replaying it with other Zelda titles every few years, I can agree with the video that it is still a wonderful game, literally she is an icon 💅, but not this superior status of game in comparison to any other wonderful game I’ve played (tbh them clunky ass controls has me raging more now than it did as a kid 😂)
@@neoqwerty Yeah it isn't a dark game, yes there's sad moments but it's more of "dread" game than something creepy
@@neoqwerty I already saw a comment about it, but Jacob Gellar did a great video about how every Zelda is pretty much just as dark in a similar way. What people miss about MM because of the oversimplification of "It's the dark one" is the emotional weight of it, a lot of which comes from optional content, which is why some people, me included, feel like the side quests are just as important, if not more so, as the main quest.
@@lowlywisp7953 I'm pretty sure the "dark one" is supposed to be twilight princess, or at least the "edgy one". What works with Majora's Mask is how unfiltered it is, the NPCs literally all have different dialogues that react realistically when they know they are all about to die and can do nothing about it. Majora's Mask hurts because it feels so real, these NPCs aren't some cartoony characters like the ones in ocarina of time, they're people.
I still go back and play the Jak, Ratchet, and Sly games every 5 years or so. There's very little about most of the games in those series that I dislike now that I'm older. I'd be lying if I said there weren't a few things but in my opinion aside from all of the nostalgia I have for them they are still amazing games. :)
Ah sly it was so fun pickpocketing everyone
I don’t like the main city in Jak 2. There’s a bunch of npc’s around but the city still feels hollow. It was a ps2 game though, so you’ve got to cut it some slack
@swissfan100 It was also one of the first games to straight rip off GTA3s open world city. It was just an accomplishment to have a persistant city with crowd AI that worked. Sprinkle in a handful of racing and hide and seek mini games and youve got one of the biggest games on the market in 2003!
@@Tamacat388 I first played jak 2 around 2016 so by the time I played it, it was rough in terms of open world obviously. What amazes me though is I played gta IV in like 2008 or 9 and liberty city feels almost as empty, so jak 2 being able to do it as well as them (at least to me) years before is impressive
Same. For me the only thing Ii end up laughing at myself over is how the graphics aged. But I remember them looking Soo good XD
But to me they are still great
I had the opposite experience with BioShock Infinite. I just recently played it for the first time, and I loved it! It's actually my favorite BioShock game, and I'd go as far as to say that it helped me appreciate the series even more! I think it was the perfect send-off to the Ken Levine trilogy. Best of luck to Cloud Chamber Studios for BioShock 4, they've got massive Big Daddy shoes to fill.
I think what's interesting is that you developed a more analytical and critical eye, and in turn, infinite has lost a lot of it's charm. I think for me, as someone who also loved Bioshock Infinite and thought about it non-stop after release, I went down a creative path, writing stories, going to film school to learn the art, and I spend a lot of my time now telling stories in various ways, I tend to fall in love with concepts and the potential of them. While Infinite is a mess, I still love it bc I find the ideas intriguing. They might have missed while swinging for the fences, but at least they attempted, and while they might not have had anything meaningful to say, they at least said interesting things, and I think that's why I still love the game so much, because in general, I'm in love with the ideas of something more than the execution of something.
It's really cool how our initial feelings of a game or film or book, etc., can grow in such nuanced ways, and what that reveals about who we are as individuals and how we've changed throughout the years.
@@breadandcircuses8127 Mainly for inspiration, but also bc an idea can be entertaining, it can be interesting, it can be fresh. Something can be well executed, but if the idea has been done a million times over, what new thing am I really experiencing, ya know? Obviously, something with a great idea that is well-executed is always the best. But if it comes down to poor execution and a great idea, or great execution and a bad/overdone idea, I'll take the former every time bc there's just more value to me in that regard, and I look at film/games through that lens. Sort of a "even if this was done poorly, what ideas are worth salvaging and what would I do differently to make it better" and I like to apply those mini-lessons to my own works.
Because he has a goddamn opinion maniac @@breadandcircuses8127
I replayed the entire bioshock trilogy when the remastered collection came out. I still loved all of them.
I played the trilogy for the first time a year ago. Liked 1 and definitely respect its legendary status, but I loved the sequel way way more and I was shocked it was disliked at the time! And I played Infinite and felt exactly the way Raz did here.
I played them all and was really disappointed. 2 was the most fun mechanically but I didn't really like any of them that much. Also am playing through System Shock 2 for the first time and it & Prey 2017 CLEAR bioshock
I love one and 2, I would play burial at sea just so I could explore old rapture again..
@@aidan8473 Thats just ur opinion
@@ImGonnaFudgeThatFish The first BioShock, like the first Knights of the Old Republic, definitely gets by to some extent on how people felt about its plot twist back in the day.
And then both got better direct sequels, developed by different studios, that weren't really appreciated at the time.
Replaying a game makes you look at it analytically because you know where the story is going this time. This is why before i say a game is my absolute favourite, i replay it again or look at critiques about it good/bad and eventually play it again. I do it with all my favourite games. And it helps me to appreciate my favourite games so much more.
I'm not someone who replays games or rewatches shows, but I didn't know exactly why that was the case. Fortunately, your video unearthed my exact fears of what might happen if I do come back to something I love... very complex yet great stuff!
I played the majesty that is Deus Ex long before Bioshock Infinite. Meaning Bioshock Infinite's spectacle didn't phase me.
Timeless games hold up years and years later.
This definitely happened to me when replaying Fallout 3 some months ago, due to it being the first RPG I played back when I was 13 I held it in an extremely high regard, but replaying it I realized "Wow, the story really takes a nosedive at the end, what the fuck"
Never got the ending for Fallout 3, but I remember getting lost in its huge world and having a blast!
Yeah, I was very disappointed with the screen at the end that simply said: "You wake up and realize it was all a dream." 😮
Just kidding. You actually end up getting married to a ghoul at the History Museum and making minigun keychains for the gift shop.
@@maxm2639 the good ending
Nosedive at the end? It’s pretty poorly written the whole way through
I usually go back to Bioshock games to just explore the environments. Rapture and Columbia are so intricate and immersive.
BAM you nailed it lol
Yeah, and the same goes for games like Assassin's Creed for me, the atmosphere of the environments is the draw, even if the gameplay and story is just serviceable, traversing those cool environments is really, really cool
the existential dread that came along with watching these was the last thing I needed before falling asleep thank you !
You talking about how you'd remembered the feeling but not the specifics and misremembering details reminds me so much of my experience rewatching movied i once loved like Fox and the Hound, ofc its not exactly the same thing as replaying a game you once loved, but at least for me its a similar experience
I recently was thinking about how actually, most levels in Sonic Adventure 2 were quite bad. But because of Chao Garden, players are encouraged essentially to replay the levels they liked again and again to grind, and since you can pick which levels you play, you end up with a memory of the best parts of Sonic Adventure 2 and none of the bad parts because of that reinforcement. Really interesting video as always Raz, thanks!
I believe Projared came to the same conclusion when he reviewed Sonic Adventure 2
That was my reaction when playing modern warefare 2. I remembered all the fun moments in each level, but not the slog to get to those points lol
This is pretty much how I felt when I went back and started replaying Sonic games a few years ago, turns out a lot of them are actually just. Not that good. Remembering the highs and forgetting that actually, two thirds of the game is boring garbage.
At the same time though a few games I ended up liking a lot more just because I've gotten better at playing games in general
I'm part way through reading this and already the soundtrack is rocking inside my head, demanding my attention. You're absolutely right about the chao garden level select filtering. Why'd they ever get rid of chao garden? It was the best!
Everyone could see this as a kid really. SA2 is a terrible buggy mess with bad dialogue and dodgy controls but the Chao Garden is great. Like you literally just play the levels repeatedly for drives for your chao. Even playing on gamecube as a kid this seemed extremely apparent to me. Sonic doesn't really hide the fact that they're all bad games very well.
It goes to show that a well written plot is one very important component and cannot be substituted with many shining bells and whistles!
Resident Evil 4 (2005) still holds up in my opinion, so there's that.
props to you for actually beating bioshock infinite at least 1 time.
i couldnt even manage to do that.
"The longer I went without playing them, the better they were allowed to become." Man, that line hit *hard.*
(Also love the editing in this one. Talking about memories to clips of the Animus, and faulty memories to footage of Ezio desynchronizing? 10/10)
I was hugely moved by Infinite at the time. I was at a low point and one of its themes (chasing a ghost of redemption) hit me really hard. I appreciate your critical take. As much as I want to replay it, I think I'll keep it as a fond memory.
Dude just play it again the game didn't change this guy is just an idiot. Don't get your opinions from other people make your own.
I remember playing AC3 for the first time and it was a blast. This was years ago and hadn't touched an Assassin's Creed game since. Then I got my hands on The Ezio Collection.... And it was also a blast!! It honestly felt more like watching the formula grow: the parkour systems improving, the weapons more intricate, the missions more understandable and intriguing. It was telling a story and the mechanics grew alongside the initial premise.
I found myself reading about the Borgias online and discovering more about history as a whole. It felt like the gameplay mechanics became reflexive and I could focus on the story, the people, and opportunities more. By opportunity, I mean instead of beating the next mission the same as the last, that I could find a new way or avenue to use the weapons or surroundings available to beat it.
All in all, I also kept it in the sphere it belonged in. It came out during a time and place where we didn't have the improvement in systems we see today. It's like riding in a Model-T for historical purposes instead of relying on it for actual transportation. Would I play through the games again or a third time, probably not. It scratched the itch, was my sole focus as I played nothing else, and I feel like I enjoyed it as much as i ever will.
Welcome to getting older. The game didn't change, YOU did with experience and wisdom. As a consequence, so did your perspective.
The most heartbreaking part about Bioshock Infinite is the ending.
Not because of what actually happens in it, but because it opened the door to the franchise becoming a great anthology series. "There's always a man, there's always a lighthouse, there's always a city." Then the DLC slammed that door shut and the studio went under.
I wish we could return to rapture 🥲 imagine a modern graphics rapture with a whole new story.. maybe even a different parallel universe rapture where things happen differently. Maybe even a rapture that takes place in the 70as or 80s or 90s. See how far the tech advanced in rapture would've cool.
@@randybobandy9828God I hate Burial at Sea
@@randybobandy9828 I'd be a bit worried if Bioshock 4 was in Rapture, because in all the universes, where anything is possible, I'd be a little bit disappointed if it chose the same place 2.5 games were in. Of all the places they could envision, there are so many rich unexplored things out there - whether American, or British or French or whatever.
It's pretty incredible to look back at how game changing AC2 was and how it changed the gaming landscape.
I tried replaying it and had the same feeling as you. The music in that game still in incredible. "Ezio's family" is one of the best and most recognizable pieces of gaming music ever composed imo
"AC2" is a stupid acronym because people can read it as either Armoured Core 2 or Assassins Creed 2
@@Ghorda9 WTF is armored core 2? When people say AC2, most will know what you're talking about
@@Ghorda9 no one has ever thought that AC2 means Armored Core 2 lol, Armored Core is a pretty obscure series.
@@ivkuben4022 that's suddenly becoming more relevant since the announcement of AC6 and recent increased coverage from streamers.
@@Ghorda9 There's only so many letters to start games and form acronyms with
Watching this, I realized i did the same thing with Majoras mask. I never beat it, but talking about it with friends heightened it in my recognition. Good video
You explained perfectly what I'm feeling rn playing ACII, it's all about how the game made me feel. I set too high expectations because feelings and actual gameplay turned into same thing in my memories.
A very interesting idea. I find that many times when I try to replay a game, I simply don't finish. In 9/10 cases, the magic isn't there for me anymore. When the mystery is gone, there's no hook to keep me playing through the whole experience.
For similar reasons I tend to find the start of a game the most fun. I have replayed the first bit of botw, Hollow Knight, Skyrim and others quite a couple of times, but it loses its charm partway through. Only giving myself additional tasks or challenges can keep me going a bit longer (specific weapon sets in BotW or Steel Soul in Hollow Knight for example)
I feel like that's a part of the storytelling (through both writing and through the experience itself) that we just gotta accept. Some magic is gonna disappear as the magic trick is explained.
While some works can be enjoyed again and again due to "timeless" values (beautiful painting, nice action scenes, great music,...), exploration and mystery still drive us humans most strongly after all.
I literally had this same experience upon replaying Bioshock Infinite recently, so I’m glad I’m not the only one. It’s strange how some games just are better played once, really intriguing topic as always!
Personally I find it’s better to vicariously play games again by watching someone else do it. That’s how I started watching Joseph Anderson’s streams for Outer Wilds! (Yes I see you in chat ❤)
have u considered that you have Wrong Opinion disease...... it's a critical condition im afraid
No such thing as a wrong opinion.
Bioshock Infinite still holds a place in my heart but it certainly had some flaws, and the 180 plot twists weren't well explored enough on Daisy, Luteces, and Burial at Sea for me to not have a bad taste in my mouth about them. But the Comstock twist certainly stuck with me.
I have had those moments replaying old video games where I go "HOW DID I BEAT THIS GAME!?" only to come to the conclusion that maybe I just got lucky
So many years ago I played the game "Fragile Dreams" for the first time. It was a great game, it moved me a lot, and got me to tears by the end. I decided to replay it a few months back and while I emotionally matured a lot more so I didnt get emotional during the scenes I knew by heart (I have a fairly good memory, key details may differ but still), I still enjoyed playing it. Parts of the game, due to more experience felt a bit strange. But I also noticed other parts became clear inspirations to other games. There is a Bonfire mechanic for instance. You sit down at it to regain your health, save your progress and at times a trader pops around your safe haven. And that all in a world long dead but still waiting to truly die only for a lone survivor to make their way to the end to prevent a true death of humanity from happening.
Where did I hear that before? OH right! Dark Souls! Yea btw, Fragile Dreams released before Dark Souls. Not before Demon Souls tho. And here is the best part. Game was developed by no other than Bandai Namco. Who also worked with and published Fromsofts first installment of the Dark Souls series 2 years after Fragile Dreams release. A bit too much of a coincidence.
I didnt exactly find the same enjoyment in playing the game as I did before. And I certainly knew a lot more about culture, Japanese specifically, and more. But it didnt muddy the game for me. I enjoyed playing it. I had fun. I think the worst thing one can do, is use their brain... too much. I learned that the hard way. And I hope you can one day enjoy Bioshock Infinite again the same way you have before!
well his head is in paper bag