Great in depth historical overview! The progression of rapture theology and its spokesmen made significant departures from truth. Your connection to the Noach generation was a new perspective for me and makes sense. Luke 17 always nailed down the actual 'taken & left' narrative. When Yeshua's talmidim asked Him 'where, Lord?' they were not asking about the bed or the mill - they were asking about the place which He revealed as 'the place vultures gather'. Your overview spans centuries and brings this rapture ideology right up to our current day. Toda so much for your work and keep it up! Shalom, Steve
Interesting, but I have no idea how you get from the rapture as being a doctrine of being caught up, rescued, or taken away from this evil world to the examples of Enoch being "taken away," Noah being rescued, and the believers in the Messiah being "caught up" to meet the Messiah in the air (1 Thes 4:17) as teaching the opposite of the rapture doctrine. Looking forward to seeing how you are going to explain that in parts 2 and 3.
Shalom Shabbat ... 1 Thess 4:17 just says on the second coming we meet Him in the Air. I want you to picture a scene from the Lord of the Rings. Gandalf tells those in the Castle he is going for help. Tells them upon the 3rd day look toward the East (3rd day look toward the direction the Sun Rises?). Next it shows sun coming up, Gandalf arrives, then a ~3 mile wide Calvary arrived line, then the drone / helicopter rises and shows what looks lke a Mile deep of Calvary. What emotions do you have? Now picture Yashua arrives, then the Angels and the 144K, then the Dead arrise, then those who have walked in Torah and proved their faith. That is a Cloud that grows from Just Yashua arriving, to everyone spoken on who will meet Him in the Air. NO WHERE Does it say they turn around with the Largest Faith Force on earth to leave only Israel to be on their own. Prophecy it says He then lands on Mount Olive. All will be on White Horses. Only those who walked the Torah, are a Bride who have prepared to be the Bride of Christ. Yashua then takes those who will be the Prepared Bride at that time they go to where they will be protected by Yashua and the 144K. This is one version of the "Greater Exodus". They go to a Safe area, but not into the Land yet. Torah says a Man can NOT go to war during the First year of Marriage. Prophecy says Yashua will have to arrive EARLY or the whole world will destroy itself. Greater Tribulation will be NOT 7 yrs, but less than 1 year. But then the Greater Tribulation does not really start until the Treaty is broken at the 3.5 year mark. So maybe Yashua does not show until that happens. Thru History Believers have always been in some form of Tribulation. ISIS is still doing a form of Tribulation, Many Africa Countries have Dictators attacking Believers. China, North Korea, Iran, the list goes on death penalties for having even a Verse from the Bible ... Tribulation. Yashua and the Battle of Armageddon will happen, then the Millennial Reign. Show me one verse where someone went to Heaven, when Scripture says Yashua is the Only one who has come down, and has gone up. Enoch was "Taken" by YHWH does not say to where, or his replacement would not have finally accepted the people to look for him, and they did not find him. What was the "Known" world then? Not the whole World for sure. Scripture says all men die, then Judgment ... but maybe he is one of the 2 Witnesses. Not dying is not a good reason for him to use as a Resume for the 2 Witnesses. No Rapture as in going into heaven, but a Rapture in the Form of an Greater Exodus. Nothing happens in Prophecy WITHOUT a Clear Shadow. Rapture in the Air tries to use meet in the air, add Enoch story and still NOT a Clear Shadow. Original Exodus, we are presently going thru a Plague, it appears to might have a "Worse" second. Original Exodus Yisrael goes thru the first 3 with the Egyptians, I am happy when the Gnats come Yisrel does not go thru. First plague Yisrael couldn't get fresh fish, but they had water ... only the Egyptians dug for water. 10 Plagues, do a study of the Original Exodus, and what Revelations says what plagues. (Scrolls, Bowls, etc). Rapture is from HaSatan. People think they will be raptured and Yisrael stays? People running around doing whatever they want thinking before Tribulation happens they will be raptured. Really? When that Rapture does not Happen for them, their will be a major falling away and running to take the Mark. Especially when they see the "Meet in the Air" and they are unable to do either the Superman Jump, or Neo from Matrix jump. They will be like the Egyptians giving their Gold, Silver, etc to those who are in the Greater Exodus walk or riding on White Horses. Jer 31, and Hebrews chapt 8-11 speaks of the New/Renewed Covenant. Both say ONLY Yisrael (Northern State of Yisrael) and Yahudah / Jews (Southern State of Yisrael) will be in that "LEGAL TERM" Covenant. A Wedding Covenant. No Gentiles. Rom 11:17-24 says we have to be "Grafted into Yisrael". So those who say "That is For the Jews / Yisreal" really are going to be rudely awakened when they notice that is who are in the New/Renewed Covenant. Like a Renewed Mortgage, some is NEW, some is Renewed. Every Covenant from Adam to the Last one the Eternal Life post Millennial reign. all have new & renewed NONE of them completely abolished the prior one. Yisraels Mortgage just got renewed and new stuff. Sorry, of the rant my PTSD messes with my focus.
I just don't understand how Messianics deny the Harpazo/Catching Away. I come from a Wesley/Arminian tradition (let's just say 1970 onward), had no idea what calvinism and covenant theology was, nor dispensationalism. When I came to teach Sunday school (2004), I learned some of the Arm vs cal stuff, not real deep. When I started to look into end times stuff (2014), I run into Arm vs Cal and Cov vs Disp, so I delved deep into that and came away a dispensationalist. But I will tell you, that AT NO POINT was there ever this idea that there were "different paths" to salvation! Any Non-Disp always gets it wrong! Then in that year I discovered "Hebrew Roots," and felt that I was standing on bedrock! Finally the OT and NT were connected properly in a way that did not wipe away all of God's plans from the OT. And it was at that time that I said, with Hebrew roots, one does not need dispensationalism to understand the Bible! HR explains the Plan! To me Disp is what gentiles come up with while ignoring all the Hebrew culture, mindset, language, and religion of the Bible... and our Savior. This year I am delving deep into eschatology, now that I have a pretty solid HR understanding of the Bible to make sure that what I believe truly lines up with the Bible in light of its Hebraic nature. Wow what a hornet's nest! Now I'm back at this Arm - Disp vs Cal - Cov fight! Yuck! To be sure, anytime some teacher starts a study on Disp AND connected to PreTrib Catching Away with anything later than the BIBLE, you are going to come up with the WRONG answer! I am so disappointed that the Messianic's cannot get away from Dispensationalism being connected to PreTribulation Catching Away! I guess they want to become Israel so badly that they are going to put themselves under the finishing of God's punishment of Israel for her sins of not following Torah and profaning God's Name and Sabbath before the nations... :( The one thing Disp does have going for it is the separate roles for the post-Resurrection believers (who started ALL JEWISH) and the unbelieving nation of Israel. But you can throw away the idea of different "economies" means that God has different ways of salvation. For sure, when the teacher can't see that Yeshua first and then Rabbi Shaul taught the Catching Away in the model of the Jewish wedding, then you're going to end up in the wrong place. (I don't know if I can get to the next parts... )
@@watchmanbob1317 Not buying what you're selling. A lot of bad connections there. :( Start with a better Hebrew teacher. Nehemiah Gordon has all the evidence that it's YehoVAH. sheva, cholam, qammatz vowels. There's no disagreement amongst Hebrew scholars that it's Yeshua (short for Yehoshua).
@@watchmanbob1317 I had no desire to discuss all the disagreement in beliefs we have, but I thought I'd point you in the direction of Nehemia Gordon for better Hebrew understanding at least...
Shalom Shabbat, the title made me think this was a "pun" title that would cover the Rapture is a Bust, the Scripture do point to a Greater Exodus (Philadelphia Church), .... but the Hemmm, and Hawing appears you either don't want to scare the "Rapture" people away, or you are slowly building that the Rapture is true. Sorry, couldn't handle either style of teaching. Greater Exodus has been being discussed a lot longer before 2016 so I would assume you would have knew about it. Many try to say the 2nd Coming we all fly up to meet Yashua in the Air, but Yashua is on the way to LAND on the Mount of Olives. So no going to Heaven; which of course no one in Scripture went to Heaven ... they had a Dream, or a Vision. Enoch "YHWH Took him" nothing about to where. We follow shadows, which Exodus is a Clear Shadow, and Enoch is a very unclear r/t a Rapture. Should only be desiring those seeking the Truth of Scripture, YHWH will Draw them to Him we Don't. So no worry of those running away. Sorry, no IDEA what you are teaching ... except it appears to be the Rapture; which after a lot of Study I know it is a BUST. Rapture is from HaSatan for its goal is for believers think they don't need to be ready for the Tribulation they will be Raptured. When the Tribulation starts, and the Rapture does not, many will just fall away farther. I am an old Vet, and a RN who both jobs teach don't try to "PC" or sugar coat anything. Those 2 jobs are r/t Life. Rapture is a false teaching of sugar coating a false "hope" which is r/t Souls. Even tho this is a 2016 video, I have seen Eddie Chumney, and Zachary Bauer (New2Torah) have taught it since what 2012, There are teachings going back to 2002 on the Net. I watched for a while, and sadly a Teacher should have covered what this was about before I quit watching. If you were teaching on Greater Exodus and your title is a "Pun" or trying to get people interested the truth should have been done soon otherwise you get people like me who have PTSD r/t working in the Healthcare in the Military where my Focus is short when the teacher rambles too much before covering what the Class goals are. It did not entice, excite, or any level grow my interest. I had not watched any of your teachings before, and this Title made me interested but that fell away soon after starting it ... I DID NOT Know what you were really going to teach on soon enough. I have learned with Valerie Moody (Who was my 2nd Torah Observant / Hebrew Roots Teacher I found on YT), and Hollisa Alwine, etc. Just letting you know I do listen to Women / Sisters of the Faith. I have taught USN / USMC Corpsman, RN students since 1979, I have taught people how to teach in Scripture, Healthcare, Leadership, and a few other occupations since ~1984 ... with an emphasis to do small teaching on students to Review, and not just say Nice Class. That for every ONE who does give a in depth or even a rant Review there are minimal 100 that don't r/t what was said. Also those who I have Taught to also do a review even if it is a Rant ... if they feel the need to say something positive or negative ... for good teachers know the need to just hear them out. This is a Rant, do to my Health I am unable to do anything but a rant. I was really wanting to hear a Female perspective on the Greater Exodus; and the Title made me think that is what it was going to be. I forgot that Females have a Larger vocabulary then us guys, and usually use it. It has taken me a while to write this; I am sure it wont be read, but if it is, I am hoping it is helpful. If you chose to do a Greater Exodus let me know. Baruk HaShem.
Great in depth historical overview! The progression of rapture theology and its spokesmen made significant departures from truth. Your connection to the Noach generation was a new perspective for me and makes sense.
Luke 17 always nailed down the actual 'taken & left' narrative. When Yeshua's talmidim asked Him 'where, Lord?' they were not asking about the bed or the mill - they were asking about the place which He revealed as 'the place vultures gather'.
Your overview spans centuries and brings this rapture ideology right up to our current day. Toda so much for your work and keep it up! Shalom, Steve
I love it!
Great overview
Interesting, but I have no idea how you get from the rapture as being a doctrine of being caught up, rescued, or taken away from this evil world to the examples of Enoch being "taken away," Noah being rescued, and the believers in the Messiah being "caught up" to meet the Messiah in the air (1 Thes 4:17) as teaching the opposite of the rapture doctrine. Looking forward to seeing how you are going to explain that in parts 2 and 3.
Shalom Shabbat ... 1 Thess 4:17 just says on the second coming we meet Him in the Air. I want you to picture a scene from the Lord of the Rings. Gandalf tells those in the Castle he is going for help. Tells them upon the 3rd day look toward the East (3rd day look toward the direction the Sun Rises?). Next it shows sun coming up, Gandalf arrives, then a ~3 mile wide Calvary arrived line, then the drone / helicopter rises and shows what looks lke a Mile deep of Calvary. What emotions do you have? Now picture Yashua arrives, then the Angels and the 144K, then the Dead arrise, then those who have walked in Torah and proved their faith. That is a Cloud that grows from Just Yashua arriving, to everyone spoken on who will meet Him in the Air. NO WHERE Does it say they turn around with the Largest Faith Force on earth to leave only Israel to be on their own. Prophecy it says He then lands on Mount Olive. All will be on White Horses. Only those who walked the Torah, are a Bride who have prepared to be the Bride of Christ. Yashua then takes those who will be the Prepared Bride at that time they go to where they will be protected by Yashua and the 144K. This is one version of the "Greater Exodus". They go to a Safe area, but not into the Land yet. Torah says a Man can NOT go to war during the First year of Marriage. Prophecy says Yashua will have to arrive EARLY or the whole world will destroy itself. Greater Tribulation will be NOT 7 yrs, but less than 1 year. But then the Greater Tribulation does not really start until the Treaty is broken at the 3.5 year mark. So maybe Yashua does not show until that happens. Thru History Believers have always been in some form of Tribulation. ISIS is still doing a form of Tribulation, Many Africa Countries have Dictators attacking Believers. China, North Korea, Iran, the list goes on death penalties for having even a Verse from the Bible ... Tribulation. Yashua and the Battle of Armageddon will happen, then the Millennial Reign. Show me one verse where someone went to Heaven, when Scripture says Yashua is the Only one who has come down, and has gone up. Enoch was "Taken" by YHWH does not say to where, or his replacement would not have finally accepted the people to look for him, and they did not find him. What was the "Known" world then? Not the whole World for sure. Scripture says all men die, then Judgment ... but maybe he is one of the 2 Witnesses. Not dying is not a good reason for him to use as a Resume for the 2 Witnesses. No Rapture as in going into heaven, but a Rapture in the Form of an Greater Exodus. Nothing happens in Prophecy WITHOUT a Clear Shadow. Rapture in the Air tries to use meet in the air, add Enoch story and still NOT a Clear Shadow. Original Exodus, we are presently going thru a Plague, it appears to might have a "Worse" second. Original Exodus Yisrael goes thru the first 3 with the Egyptians, I am happy when the Gnats come Yisrel does not go thru. First plague Yisrael couldn't get fresh fish, but they had water ... only the Egyptians dug for water. 10 Plagues, do a study of the Original Exodus, and what Revelations says what plagues. (Scrolls, Bowls, etc). Rapture is from HaSatan. People think they will be raptured and Yisrael stays? People running around doing whatever they want thinking before Tribulation happens they will be raptured. Really? When that Rapture does not Happen for them, their will be a major falling away and running to take the Mark. Especially when they see the "Meet in the Air" and they are unable to do either the Superman Jump, or Neo from Matrix jump. They will be like the Egyptians giving their Gold, Silver, etc to those who are in the Greater Exodus walk or riding on White Horses.
Jer 31, and Hebrews chapt 8-11 speaks of the New/Renewed Covenant. Both say ONLY Yisrael (Northern State of Yisrael) and Yahudah / Jews (Southern State of Yisrael) will be in that "LEGAL TERM" Covenant. A Wedding Covenant. No Gentiles. Rom 11:17-24 says we have to be "Grafted into Yisrael". So those who say "That is For the Jews / Yisreal" really are going to be rudely awakened when they notice that is who are in the New/Renewed Covenant. Like a Renewed Mortgage, some is NEW, some is Renewed. Every Covenant from Adam to the Last one the Eternal Life post Millennial reign. all have new & renewed NONE of them completely abolished the prior one. Yisraels Mortgage just got renewed and new stuff. Sorry, of the rant my PTSD messes with my focus.
I just don't understand how Messianics deny the Harpazo/Catching Away.
I come from a Wesley/Arminian tradition (let's just say 1970 onward), had no idea what calvinism and covenant theology was, nor dispensationalism.
When I came to teach Sunday school (2004), I learned some of the Arm vs cal stuff, not real deep.
When I started to look into end times stuff (2014), I run into Arm vs Cal and Cov vs Disp, so I delved deep into that and came away a dispensationalist. But I will tell you, that AT NO POINT was there ever this idea that there were "different paths" to salvation! Any Non-Disp always gets it wrong!
Then in that year I discovered "Hebrew Roots," and felt that I was standing on bedrock! Finally the OT and NT were connected properly in a way that did not wipe away all of God's plans from the OT.
And it was at that time that I said, with Hebrew roots, one does not need dispensationalism to understand the Bible! HR explains the Plan! To me Disp is what gentiles come up with while ignoring all the Hebrew culture, mindset, language, and religion of the Bible... and our Savior.
This year I am delving deep into eschatology, now that I have a pretty solid HR understanding of the Bible to make sure that what I believe truly lines up with the Bible in light of its Hebraic nature.
Wow what a hornet's nest! Now I'm back at this Arm - Disp vs Cal - Cov fight! Yuck!
To be sure, anytime some teacher starts a study on Disp AND connected to PreTrib Catching Away with anything later than the BIBLE, you are going to come up with the WRONG answer!
I am so disappointed that the Messianic's cannot get away from Dispensationalism being connected to PreTribulation Catching Away! I guess they want to become Israel so badly that they are going to put themselves under the finishing of God's punishment of Israel for her sins of not following Torah and profaning God's Name and Sabbath before the nations... :(
The one thing Disp does have going for it is the separate roles for the post-Resurrection believers (who started ALL JEWISH) and the unbelieving nation of Israel.
But you can throw away the idea of different "economies" means that God has different ways of salvation.
For sure, when the teacher can't see that Yeshua first and then Rabbi Shaul taught the Catching Away in the model of the Jewish wedding, then you're going to end up in the wrong place.
(I don't know if I can get to the next parts... )
@@watchmanbob1317 Not buying what you're selling. A lot of bad connections there. :(
Start with a better Hebrew teacher.
Nehemiah Gordon has all the evidence that it's YehoVAH. sheva, cholam, qammatz vowels.
There's no disagreement amongst Hebrew scholars that it's Yeshua (short for Yehoshua).
@@watchmanbob1317 I had no desire to discuss all the disagreement in beliefs we have, but I thought I'd point you in the direction of Nehemia Gordon for better Hebrew understanding at least...
Shalom Shabbat, the title made me think this was a "pun" title that would cover the Rapture is a Bust, the Scripture do point to a Greater Exodus (Philadelphia Church), .... but the Hemmm, and Hawing appears you either don't want to scare the "Rapture" people away, or you are slowly building that the Rapture is true. Sorry, couldn't handle either style of teaching. Greater Exodus has been being discussed a lot longer before 2016 so I would assume you would have knew about it. Many try to say the 2nd Coming we all fly up to meet Yashua in the Air, but Yashua is on the way to LAND on the Mount of Olives. So no going to Heaven; which of course no one in Scripture went to Heaven ... they had a Dream, or a Vision. Enoch "YHWH Took him" nothing about to where. We follow shadows, which Exodus is a Clear Shadow, and Enoch is a very unclear r/t a Rapture. Should only be desiring those seeking the Truth of Scripture, YHWH will Draw them to Him we Don't. So no worry of those running away. Sorry, no IDEA what you are teaching ... except it appears to be the Rapture; which after a lot of Study I know it is a BUST. Rapture is from HaSatan for its goal is for believers think they don't need to be ready for the Tribulation they will be Raptured. When the Tribulation starts, and the Rapture does not, many will just fall away farther. I am an old Vet, and a RN who both jobs teach don't try to "PC" or sugar coat anything. Those 2 jobs are r/t Life. Rapture is a false teaching of sugar coating a false "hope" which is r/t Souls. Even tho this is a 2016 video, I have seen Eddie Chumney, and Zachary Bauer (New2Torah) have taught it since what 2012, There are teachings going back to 2002 on the Net. I watched for a while, and sadly a Teacher should have covered what this was about before I quit watching. If you were teaching on Greater Exodus and your title is a "Pun" or trying to get people interested the truth should have been done soon otherwise you get people like me who have PTSD r/t working in the Healthcare in the Military where my Focus is short when the teacher rambles too much before covering what the Class goals are. It did not entice, excite, or any level grow my interest. I had not watched any of your teachings before, and this Title made me interested but that fell away soon after starting it ... I DID NOT Know what you were really going to teach on soon enough. I have learned with Valerie Moody (Who was my 2nd Torah Observant / Hebrew Roots Teacher I found on YT), and Hollisa Alwine, etc. Just letting you know I do listen to Women / Sisters of the Faith. I have taught USN / USMC Corpsman, RN students since 1979, I have taught people how to teach in Scripture, Healthcare, Leadership, and a few other occupations since ~1984 ... with an emphasis to do small teaching on students to Review, and not just say Nice Class. That for every ONE who does give a in depth or even a rant Review there are minimal 100 that don't r/t what was said. Also those who I have Taught to also do a review even if it is a Rant ... if they feel the need to say something positive or negative ... for good teachers know the need to just hear them out. This is a Rant, do to my Health I am unable to do anything but a rant. I was really wanting to hear a Female perspective on the Greater Exodus; and the Title made me think that is what it was going to be. I forgot that Females have a Larger vocabulary then us guys, and usually use it. It has taken me a while to write this; I am sure it wont be read, but if it is, I am hoping it is helpful. If you chose to do a Greater Exodus let me know. Baruk HaShem.