Should Lucy Letby be forced to attend her sentencing? | Tana Adkin & Mark Johnson disagree
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2023
- 'We cannot allow emotion into our courts.'
'Part of being held accountable is sitting in a courtroom in front of a judge and getting your sentence read.'
Tana Adkin & Mark Johnson disagree over whether Lucy Letby should be forced to attend her court hearing or not.
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Yes. This shouldnt even be a question.
She shoud 100% be in court... in front of the families...
is she mentally ill or not?
She’s been convicted, therefore she should have no right to chose what she wants to do. British Law is an embarrassment 🤦♀️
Is she mentally ill or not?
All rights do not end at the point of conviction. That's not a very British way. That's how the uncivilised peoples, the ones you complain about arriving in the beaches, behave.
No point in her attending the sentencing. Doesn't make any difference
You don't lose your rights when you're convicted. It's why the courts are reluctant to drag someone into the courtroom. Let's say one man preemptively murders another to protect his family. He will be convicted, and you will have some believing he deserves damnation and others hailing him a hero. Morality is subjective, and your righteous fury doesn't determine individual treatment. It's objective for a reason, and that's why the plebs are ignored. You will have calmed down in a few days and continue with your life as though nothing ever happened.
Again, I reiterate she should lose her right to choose attending her sentencing. She’s been convicted. It’s simple to me, the victims have more of a right to look her in the face when they read their impact statements. Their rights are the ones that should be protected. Civilised uk eh? More like soft uk.
I truly don't understand why this person is allowed a choice, she SHOULD be there to face HER SENTENCE. She didn't give those poor wee babies a CHOICE 😢
Putting her into the public stocks acheives what?
@@tastypymp1287justice must be seen to be done.
@@tastypymp1287and give the familys an opportunity too vent.
@@mrpucklepops4447 That's not justice. That's retribution. Justice has been done and been seen to be done.
Justice. Not appeasing the calls baying for blood.
@@mrpucklepops4447 Doesn't sound very British to me. That's how uncivilised peoples behave.
You know, the ones you complain about arriving on the beaches everyday.
She should be forced to attend sentencing, but I very much doubt she will care one jot about her victims families. Pure EVIL. Her family should attend if they have any conscience.
Our legal system is an absolute disgrace, seems the UK is screwed both politically and financially, in all areas, and our corporate owned, censored, weak and feeble media, are as bad.
I'm surprised it wasn't the law already.
She should be made to attend no excuses she has murdered 6 vulnerable babies the court should show no mercy to this vile evil individual she must be made to face her peers and more importantly the parents and families of her victims i do not care if she doesn't personally face her crimes but she MUST do publicly
It's outrageous they don't have to attend their sentencing/family impact statements.
Absolutely yes!
Hospital mamagers and the nurses union needs to be charged with aiding a murderer aswell .
Yes because it involves her so of course she should be required to attend its basic logic really
Absolutely she should be forced to attend, kicking and screaming if necessary!
If she had any grace she would of pleaded guilty.
If she had any grace she would not have killed the babies. We are beyond the point where 'grace' is a consideration.
@@timg1246 well if she didn’t want to go to court and put herself through a 7 month trial. She should of pleaded. The judge will punish her more for not pleading.
@@saltnessmonster Letby is never going to be released. There is no extra punishment that the system can give her.
This is a fuss over an irrelevance. You want to feel better about it. That is nothing to do with real justice.
No,she took a chance. Lawyers did explain to her the law and evidence. Remember,convicted on majority verdict.
Let her sit in her cell and throw the key away.
It’s disgraceful that she gets to not face the music. Do not heartbroken parents deserve to have their impact statements heard? Even if she doesn’t listen or hear what is said…for the parents she needs to be there. This is not about her.
There's considerable naivity here. She's a psychopath. She won't feel the slightest remorse by hearing victim impact statements.
She's a Patriot. One of your people
No, she won't. But she WILL see the anger, and perhaps feel fear for her own worthless skin
Drag her into the court room. 😡
And if she mocks the families?
Should Ministers be forced to personally face the wrath of the citizens of UK whose lives were ruined by lockdowns, who were stopped from seeing their ailing parents whilst the PM and the Oppo leader were caught socializing with wine and beer?
Yes,, yes, yes without a doubt. Everyone one of them🤔👍
Yes to face the poor families!!
She's bloody lucky that the Judge isn't going to be wearing a Black Square!
Yes she should be forced to go!
Absolutely she should
They should have had a live video link from her cell and have it all read to her and everyone can see her hearing it.
Without a doubt, she should of been put in a straight jacket and forced to listen to what she has done. And to look at the poor families. She wont last long in prison. Lets face it!!!!!
Absolutely she should have been forced to face justice in any way and the families of her victims. The courts are there to serve the people and facing justice is one of the actions of facing justice no matter what emotions are shown. How dare the legal system allow this murderer to escape justice???
Why should she be given a choice ?
The judge will be addressing his comments directly to HER. Obviously she should be there to hear what he says. Otherwise he’s talking to himself!
Why not just audio stream the sentencing into the cell? It can be traumatic & dangerous to drag criminals into the dock who refuse to attend.
We're not talking of ALL criminals - their movement should be judged on the danger they present to others. This individual does not present that danger to grown adults - she preferred just to go for the easy targets. Her ''trauma'' is neither here nor there.
@@ljo642 I wasn't referring to 'her' trauma but that which the plaintiffs might experience if defendants kick off with abuse in open court
GET HER OUT OF HER CELL AND UP IN COURT BY FORCE . THATS NO EXUSE
Yes
My feeling are of course with the families but making her attend her sentencing isn’t a good idea solely for the reason she could kick off, shout, scream obscenities at the families and court officials meaning the judge will kick her out anyway, why give her the opportunity to be the centre of attention.
I'd argue that it's draconian. Almost medieval.
And that woman KC is why the justice sys sucks.
Just lock her up forever
Yes gagged and tied to a trolley like hannibal lector, she lost her human rights the moment she took the life of a defenceless baby...
EVERY convicted should be forced to stand in front of the victims family/s.
Human rights b******
She should be made to be sentenced in public and have to stand infront of them. She's ruthlessly taken the lives of innocent tiny babies. She's disgusting and should be made to stand there and see the faces of disgust
Tiny babies? As opposed to the massive ones? 😅
This is GB NEWS, let's talk about the Race of this evil person...
'Cos unity is their strength'
Why waste time simply lock her up for life with no special protection
Child killer should be in court, in fact I think the death penalty needs to be re instated, also the creepy tana adkin needs to be replaced by a normal decent person immediately, as she has no idea, get letby in court, stop the morbid circus and give the bereaved families justice for this most disgusting of crimes😥
It matters not...the jury has decided...the rule by law test has been applied ....
"We cannot force on human beings", she's not human. Also, why does she get to use her rights and the victim parents don't get to use theirs to tell Lucy how they feel? bonkers
Oh yes, you can. You can handcuff them and drag them, if needs be. (Ask police from many countries who did a lot of that during lockdown....)
TANA - wow!!!!! "My heart goes out to the families - but we must not let emotion in"....wow!!
She should be dragged there, she didn't give those babies a choice of whether they wanted to live, so her human rights should go out of the window when she murdered so many little ones
And if she decides to do a shit or something awful during the sentencing?
@@winstoningram99 Then she'll have to sit in it until it's over.
@@hellsbells7271 lol. Fair enough.
Yes a million times yes!
How can she see that she has done this horrific crimes and to see that handed out to her
The families have a right to see it handed out, the families should choose.
If anything the court are worried someone will try and get to her.. so it’s to protect her
She can kick and scream and test her boundaries, but she is still going to prison as a baby killer... Not getting off that one.
She wont give a toss about grief otherwise she wouldent have done all that why do the familys want to see someone like that lets just make sure she never walk the streets again
Agree with Mark and Eamonn,
Prison officers could be seriously injured trying to get offendes to prison, they should just pipe into their cell !! And film it for the victims !!
Of course she should. That's part of her punishment and the people's retribution.
Obviously yes but that’s not the law
While I completely respect the feelings of the families, you have to think beyond this case and consider what this would mean if the offender is a gangland figure. It is extremely dangerous to transport an offender who has a high-risk of attempted escape. The manpower needed to escort this person and the potential danger to the public cannot be overstated. Offenders who have nothing to lose are capable of a lot, especially given that they are not typically shackled.
We are not talking of a ''gangland figure''. Don't be sententious.
@ljo642 obviously I appreciate that. However, legislation can't be applied selectively. I'll keep my reply respectful!
It's meaningless. All she (or any convicted person) has to do if forced to attend is shout abuse at the judge or the families and she'll be ejected. Or just collapse screaming or feigning unconsciousness repeatedly. She cannot be forced to co-operate.
Exactly; she can't be threatened with contempt of court or assault charges.
So just let her keep controlng the siutation? How about they sedate and take her there, make her sit there and listen. The families deserve to have the oppurtunity to aface the monster that took their child. if she needs to be beaten not submission, so bloody be it! she's a disgusting psychopath who is still controlling everything by refusing to go to court. If it was your baby she'd killed I can say without doubt you wouldn't hold those views.
All of those reactions are possible and when dealing with people with mental health issues a court should be prepared for the behaviour. Ensured presence followed by ejection if necessary is a procedure a court should have a small amount of skill in. The argument we know exactly what will happen and we have decided based on no evidence that it will be too difficult is not applied with arrest and should equally apply to sentencing
you start with exactly and then do not give an evidenced or even related link to the law surrounding contempt of court@@jackhadroom4540
@@libertasdemocratiam887you misunderstood. They wouldn't be letting her. They wouldn't have the choice.
yes
What eamon said was similar to the episode in black mirror ….
Judgement day is coming, no exceptions.
She should be dragged there in shackles. It is digraceful that convicted criminals get to choose whether or not they want to attend.
Ofcourse she should be named and shamed, Imagine if this was YOUR BABY 😫
change the law
😂😂😂 this is only beginning you all get the system government you deserve
I don't know if she is guilty , if she is then common sense dictates she should serve a whole life sentence , that said to many consider accusations as guilt , arrest guilt , conviction on a guilty verdict is only as good or bad as the evidence presented , many innocent people have languished in prisons only to be completely exonerated many years later often with disclosure that police had suppressed evidence which would have proved their innocence .
There is a very similar case of a Dutch nurse Lucia de Berk she too was considered a monster
convicted of killing SEVEN BABIES , only to be exonerated and released a year later .
White christian
Ah I guess that must mean the other 80million white British people are like this..
@@Phoenix-ov5gg obviously yes
@@syedmizan8913 I mean the more obvious conclusion to draw here is that you’re a du mb@zz syed
I could find you 1000s of news articles of gang raypes committed by your fellow brown people in India.
This is akin to parading her naked through the streets while shrieking 'shame!!'.
Nothing more than the urge for retribution.
Emotionally charged reactionary policy.
You make that sound as though it's a bad thing.
@@CelticSaint It is a very bad thing. What does it achieve? Nothing more than satisfying the baying for blood by the emotionally charged reactionary hoard.
What does it acheive apart from an empty sense of retribution?
@@CelticSaint Where's your argument sir?
@@georgeorwell-il2wzA disincentive to other would be killers. If the victims' families find it cathartic, as well as the former colleagues who were effectively gagged. Then having justice being seen to be done serves a great purpose. Can we administer a forcible dose of truth serum?
Have you considered that hearing the victim impact might start the culprit on the road to remorse? The trial was just a bunch of paid performers strutting their legal prowess, elevating amorality into an art form. Is that spectacle likely to make anyone face up to their guilt?
@@chrislyons6951 It is neither a deterrent nor a disincentive. If they're already capable of carrying out such heinous crimes, there is no effective deterrent for these types. Do you imagine that the only thing preventing the likes of you and me murdering babies is merely the prohibition? Hardly.
The alternative spectacle you reference, and make no mistake it is exactly that, would likely be no more effective. She cared not before and when she repeatedly committed the crimes, thus she will unlikely care less now she has been caught with nothing left to lose.
Theres no real evidence yust being there
There were handwritten notes found in the bedroom.
If the death penalty still applied would she still be convicted on totally circumstantial evidence?
She wrote a letter basically admitting it.
So yes.
The issue is if she is menatally ill or not. Which is it?
Yes
YES, she's committed the crimes
Yes