why aikido does not work
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2017
- The Aikido Professor Edward Suomin gives his answer to a claim popular nowadays: “why aikido does not work”.
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😂 “you attacked me wrong”
LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣
So much talk, what aikido needs is valid proof that it works, that'll change people's minds.
I'm not trying to argue against you. I'm just trying to answer your question. I hope this works: www.aikidobc.com/tokyo-riot-police/
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/3016385/Tokyos-riot-police-ill-prepared-for-anarchic-potential-of-England-fans.html
Dan the Wolfman has footage of using Kotegaeshi in a sanctioned MMA match.
Still, Aikido is for throwing several less trained opponents quickly. Most people are trying to make it a fighting art, when it's a self defense art (and, in the case of Aikido, that distinction is important).
"To be accepted to the course, Riot Squad members must have a minimum of 3rd dan black belt in Judo, Karate or Kendo." - this directed at practitioners who are expected to be vastly superior in skill to their opponents and are looking for a way to inflict less harm. You bet they'll ditch the niceties and revert to properly laying down the smack when faced with more capable opposition.
Yes, Judo is grappling for one-on-one against a trained or stronger opponent
Aikido for is throwing a few less trained people quickly and running.
It doesn't hurt to train a second art alongside your Aikido. Most (not all) serious Aikidoka I have trained with have had at least 4 years in some kickboxing art (usually Karate or TKD) and at least one, like myself, cross trains BJJ alongisde Aikido.
I don't strongly recommend an Aikido-only diet, but the road goes both ways. BJJ will benefit your Aikido, just as Aikido will benefit your BJJ.
At the end of the day, Aikido is not a fighting art, but that does not mean it is worthless (even in real combat situations). If you aren't at a good school, though, that takes pressure and resistance training seriously, YMMV (find a good school or yeah, don't train Aikido).
Kevin Phillips throwing several people quickly. Good luck with that
Aikido instruction from someone who understands it's concepts and how to deliver them so those struggling with it is very much needed. There are so many who say it doesn't work but when I hear that person saying it does not work THEY are the ones who can't make it work. I am so glad I found this channel. I think it is a beautiful martial art and...is very effective in the right hands!
Is it a good base about me learning aikido and taekwondo I’m fairly new but I wanna try a more close up defensive martial arts and I want to learn this for my second martial art is it a good idea?
What was remarkable for me is to see aikido not from the perspective of a fight. It is not possible to get a clue about aikido from fight perspective. Fight itself is a flaw. I am also experienced, but my breakthrough happened just by reading Suomin Sensei’s articles. It was the push, and it was a relief. I have come to realize where the distortion came from. Really amazing!
I've done Aikido/Aikibudo for about 10 years and this is what I've learned:
[1] we Aiki styles practicionners should shut the f**ck up in MMA vs Aikido conversations or come with prooves that things work everywhere anytime !
[2] we should do what Ueshiba tried to teach us: don't resist and go with the flow meaning let us for Christ sake not resist the truth of MMA and acknowledge the inefficiency of the current way of Aikido training for real fight situations. The techniques are not the problem, it's the training methodes;
[3] we should stop talking buzz words like energy etc... and start using normal words like force etc... Start saying 'the powerful punch that's coming at you' for example instead of 'the energy that's coming toward you'. That way, things can maybe start looking realistic. It's time to stop acting like a drone and get both feet back on the ground;
Conclusion
We Aiki people should wake up to avoid being the few still sleeping while everybody else is awake and along gone to the next level. To wake up, one should stop dreaming, right?
And a sleep that's taking too long has by the way another name: coma!
You guys don't want to be living in a coma, do you?
I agree, Aikido should reform as did jiu-jitsu (which became the superbly usefull discipline of BJJ).
From my understanding of Aikido is that it works when you have a strenght advantage over someone since its based mostly on wristlocks which are hard to get with resisting opponent - or your opponent is an untrained fighter. Is that the basic idea behind Aikido techniques?
That is why most of technique dont work in MMA, but that doesnt make those techniques unusefull - why would you punch someone if you can simply put them in a wristlock and calm them down after all.
PS - the "spiritual"/inner peace bs should also stop, you are trying to brake someones wrists in Aikido, what is so spiritual about that?
And that's why Lenny sly came along to put it all in proper realistic perspective. Also Aikido flow are the same as well.
Agree
Recently lose confidence in your aikido? Don't. I've easily done as much damage with the 4 or so years I've been "studying" it as with the ten years of tae kwon do that came before it, or anything else I've picked up. It comes up in scuffles and it works. I've actually shamed myself at least a couple times because I suddenly snatched up an offending limb when upset or angry. Don't give up on it, just back-burner it, diversify and chill, I guess is what I mean. There aughta be an acronym for "no insult intended" but there isn't...anyway there's some random thoughts on that.
Don't lose faith in your Aikido, I am not Aikido but I utilize a lot of Aikido techniques in my style which is fuck knows what. Some mongrelized martial arts with a Taekwondo base that some korean family taught me while I was living on the streets in the capital city, where I did get into a lot of fights and did get my arse kicked alot. What I know about the Aikido I do use is we can't exactly say now punch me however you like and I will show you aikido move, it doesn't work like that. Instead opportunities will make themselves available and either you seize it in the instant or you dont, failing to go with instinct will lose the opportunity. So I find myself generally boxing my opponents from my taekwondo like base and its not until a punch or two has been parried that ones opponent may throw in a manner that presents a golden opportunity to use trapping techniques and its from trapping that aikido is utilized. I cant guarantee that a boxer throw a punch with intent to kill I will catch and demonstrate aikido, because that was never how it was meant to be used and I am not a jedi, but I can guarantee that if that boxer and I were to fight that at some point during the fight you would see a beautifully executed aikido move or maybe even two. At some point I will force a movement from him that I have already anticipated and I've always been whore for pulling off technical shit in my street fights and giving people something to gossip about lol
I have looked at a few of the comments, and have concluded that the author(s) of those comments only want to prove their view right, rather than have their view tested.
This man has nailed it quite well, and has conveyed his view equally well.
Its not a matter of what art is best (or not), rather, it is how an art can allow people to test their training IF given the chance, and the intensity of attack / training.
IF the attack is that of a sport or in a limited context, then the result is - from an Aikido view point - likely to end with the Aikido technique appearing inadequate.
IF however the energy as Edward is referencing, is given in full commitment, then Aikido works VERY well.
Aikido is not a sport. It is not therefore able to compete in a sport type situation...as it WILL likely fail.
Aikido, when done well, under specific and real situations, DOES work.
Can it fail in those situations as well?
Yes, most certainly it can, but that applies to most every defensive (or attack) disciplines.
Making the failures of ANY art determine the outcome of the Arts worthiness, is so biased as to be asinine.
My failures, and there have been many, didn't negate the worth of the training, rather it simply allowing me to see MY own limitations - not the arts.
The "oh, you attacked me wrong" comments are actually quite valid....so...lets try that again and see what we can learn.
THEN. when the attack comes, as it may, let see who is left standing.
im looking in youtube for any video that show akido in action i didnt found im open mind
I'm Aikidoka and I don't see why we're trying to defend Aikido
What's the difference between aikido and aikidoka and aikijujitsu
Thomas Reyes,
Aikido and Aikijutsu is the name of that particular Martial Art. Aikidoka means a person who practice in Aikido. For example like myself, im a Boxer who trained in Western Boxing. :)
Ka makes the practitioner part. Do makes it "a way" (could be taken to mean that it has one's whole being in mind in training). Jitsu makes it "the techniques of." Aikido is an evolution of aikijujitsu.
anamnesisekklesia cos Aikido is shit
anamnesisekklesia
I don't see why we're trying to defend Aikido.
Yeah me neither since Aikido never tried to defend you😆
Aikido, by itself is very one dimensional. It should never be considered a complete fighting system. It is very situational and requires your opponent to present an opening. However, there is a lot of merit in the application of Aikido techniques when used in conjunction with other arts. The foundation of any fighter, regardless of style, is balance, distance and timing. Boxing, kickboxing, karate and Jujitsu (both traditional and specialised like BJJ) all help form this foundation. In some situations an Aikido technique can be extremely effective. So effective that they are used throughout the world in practical combat arts. Aikido, as in the style/discipline of Aikido, is simply too limited to deal with someone throwing faints, jabs and kicks and shouldn't be considered a complete fighting art. In fact, it was never suppose to be a complete fighting art.
True of course. The problem is that people think Aikido is a fighting competition system. Those early practitioners knew the ‘hard’ fighting systems and were looking for a less destructive system - as well as the ultimate shortcomings in fighting! I think any good martial artist, from boxing and wrestling on realizes the shortcomings.
@AJ Gentile well said 👏
1) find a real boxer who trains in a boxing gym and has had at least three amateur fights and who is perfectly happy to punch you in the face2) set up a recording device and begin recording3) do a 2 minute round of the boxer trying to punch you in the face and you trying to stop him from punching you4) post it on youtube
@Tracy: "I guess the reason we dont have any mma champs who are predominantly aikido practitioners is because other mma fighter dont give them enough energy,.,..lmao"
You nailed it! :-)
Filip Cieluch I think you should remove Jiu Jitsu and Karate from that comment, have you ever heard of the Machida's or the Gracie's? Or ever watched UFC or Bellator?
Bear in mind, not everybody wants to fight in a real fight against a skilled fighter let alone step in a ring or cage. Some only want to impress their family and friends in family gatherings or around a water cooler. Some might only want to contain an asshole cutting line in a Macdonald :)
Haragei Lucid :you didn´t get anything.He was talking about you.
Easy....just take away the ring....avoid boxer. Aikido worked.
Thank you. This is something that I had struggled with early in my Aikido practice. When I began in the late 1980s and early 1990s, I think it was hard to think about it in those terms and wonder what was the barrier. Well put.
Rob DuMond doesn’t really work.
the energy that this sensei is referring to is the energy of a person running towards you blindly without any intention, except for helping the defender to look good
Rizal Djohan Yeah it seems. Pretty much that's bullshido Aikidio for us. And also to teach their students to go along in class as you said, to help the Aikidio defender look good, lol. Than in progress they learn and help the new people doing Aikidio... Yea huh, lol.
Very few people in this comment section really got what he was talking about. He was right about everything. If you only see the physical, ignoring the philosophical, mental, emotional, and spiritual...you are incapable of seeing Aikido for what it really is, hence incapable of seeing its value.
hi guys, im trained in karate kyokushin, boxing, and kickboxing, iwas also brown belt in aikido, i swear that i was been able to use kokyunage and kubishime (RNC) in a real self defense situation, even if i have stopped aikido practice a years ago but the reflexe was there.
I dont say aikido doesnt work, i dont neither say it works, but depending on the situations, you should complete it by newaza (from bjj or judo) and by striking art (kickboxing or karate).
good luck all
I haven't seen the entire video yet, but you already got my attention - even among Aikidoka, there are a huge amount of styles that lack honesty in the attack. In my dojo, we take the concept of harmony from nature - action generates reaction, thus, the uke must attack with honesty and intent, and he must also react accordingly to defend himself - if an atemi hits, I'll probably won't need to finish the technique, for example.
Way to hit the nail on the head with your first point mate. Good job
I always like the sensei’s Edward instructions. They are consistent and I almost dot it. I wish I could have more time.
Everyone shut up about Aikido vs MMA, Aikido vs boxer, Aikido vs Karate, BLABLABLA. The art isn't the matter, it is the trainer. If a well trained Shodan in Karate went up against a beginner in Aikido, obviously the Shodan will win. If two equal fighters in skill (who are training in different arts) fight each other, it really depends on if someone can do a technique or land in a good punch. And half the videos on the internet are choreographed. Or one martial artist throwing around the other. Seventy five percent of it is bogus! I train in Aikido (really it is a mix of Aiki-jujutsu and Aikido, which is brutal) and we aren't training to fight trained fighters. We practice with each other and spar every now and then to prepare if it ever does happen, but we mainly focus on an attacker that isn't our level of training. We prepare for attacks on the street, not competitions. That crap doesn't matter.
Honestly it depends on the practitioner of the art. How serious they are, their skill level, if they use their environment against their opponent, etcetera.
LiamTheBearOfFire Sorry, but you suck. Wait.. Not sorry.
No its not only the practitioner.its also the art cause you fight how you train.i ve trained a lot of martial arts included aikido wing chun kick boxing krav maga boxing and bjj.guess whati became much more better fighter while i was training the combat sport than the fake martial arts bullshit who just took my money is how i see it.i am the same practitioner but listen this.boxing for example gave me the best i became i real fighter after this.now you can say its the practitioner nice lie to support martial arts who dont work
I disagree it depends on how good the practitioners are or if their instructors are any good. It depends on a few different things, there is good, and bad Aikido. It is not all the same.
Most students enter aikido with the ideal of leaning some it that night and using it the next day. The principals of aikido is hard enough to lean in class,
requiring years of dedicated practice.and still very few can demonstrated the Principles .
Edward Strowder yes is so hard that propably noone so far learn how to use it in real fight.so why not to go boxing and be able to fight within 6 months training orsome other combat sport and give my money and time to learn an art that noone so far prooved that works?you think people that actually fight are stupid and aikido people who only demonstrate techniques each other are smarter to learn how to fight without bleed.no man if you wanna learn how to fight you have to bleed and aikido people only do demostrations
So Aikido is not working and Aikidoka all the time (Aikido vs everything) get their @SS kicked just because opponents do not try to kick aikidoka @$$ hard enough in order to use the energy of the opponent against him? Legit...
it doesn't have to do with kicking any ass. aikido training in the beginning is about uke (attacker) directing his force in the way the technique needs, for nage (the one who applies it) to learn how the technique works. uke helps nage. of course this is not 'real', but it teaches the mechanical essence of what to do.
the more advanced nage is, the more resistant can uke be without the technique being blocked. nage needs to unbalance uke for that to happen, and that takes a lot of practice. you have to play with uke's momentum and attention, and work on your own balance and relaxation and positioning and timing. once uke is unbalanced, strength and weight don't need to be dealt with.
a real attack from a trained person is of course executed in a way so that balance gets compromised as little as possible. if nage doesn't know how to take advantage of such attack in that little moment, any aikido technique will be rendered useless. aikido is not about this or that technique imo, it's about learning how to create the conditions necessary for the adequate technique to be possible.
it's a matter of the process of learning. generally ukes have some kind of opening even if being resistant. a trained fighter won't lend itself to a technique in any way. nage must find a way to create an opening in the attack in that case, and that is only learnt through sparring.
in sparring there is no uke and no nage. for an aikido technique to be executed, the aikidoka must not wait for the attack, but rather attack as well, expecting to recieve an response in the process. aikido doesn't work as a response. aikido works with the other person's responses.
aikido is very joyful, so many practitioners aren't really interested in sparring (i guess), and rather just use aikido as a way to achieve a relaxed mind and body.
sorry for any bad english and thank you for reading :)
"of course this is not real" thank you for your honesty. Please stop pretending to be martial artists/fighters then.
Really?Well, I think the problem is that aikidokas don´t show off when they dfense themselves as they or we don´t consider to be the main point to win but to protect our own life.That´s something you might never understand
What is it good for you can win or your a champion when you may be dead.
Martial arts as a way of life has lost its way in the life of hate
you can be a professor in akido?
Awesome video. This is exactly what needs to be said. Watching Steven Seagal movies and listening to your words of wisdom helped me connect the dots. Basically you're saying make them play your game instead of playing theirs. I can tell you're very disciplined and you care about giving back to your students the right away. Thanks for your contribution.
SpyderVenomX ohhhh Steven Segal! ? Or "shihan" as his imaginary students call him.oh fuck me watching Steven cigal movies, really helped with martial training. Classic bro 😆
Patrick Bateman Lmao. 👍😃
😂🤣😅
Or more simply put: "Aikido is a martial arts that's meant to deal with drunk overbearing and incompetent fighters"
While Aikido does have a few usable moves, it relies on the opponent being off balance...
My english is not so good so i couldnt understood. Does it work in real life?
No
Can I ask a question if I may? Have you ever practiced Aikido? If the answer is yes, then how have you been practicing for and, who with? If the is no then can still explain to me why it doesn't work? I'm just interested that's all.
looks like no one listens to the end of the video ...
connection of actions with building self-identity, that’s smth interesting
"transfer the energy" all sounds good... to people who haven't fought before. Aikido is the Pyramid Selling or Nigerian Banking of the martial arts world
The "hypothesis-problem" that is presented goes both way, and based on both what I've seen and heard, traditionalists seem to have the biggest problem acknowledging this. I've had discussions where it really doesn't matter what facts or proof you present, because they've made up their mind and you're the one who is wrong, and how dare you insult my art and bla bla bla bla. The best and quickest way to test a hypothesis is to try and disprove it. Veratasium has a great video on this.
The other reason I think people are so defensive about aikido or whatever art they train is pride. It's ok to be proud about what you practice, don't get me wrong, but when someone comes in and shows you flaws tot he system you practice, you should embrace it! Don't sweep it under the carpet. That way the flaws will never be corrected, and ultimately the art "dies". Pride is not the opposite of shame, humility is!
Another thing I'm curious about is based on this guys belief that Aikido doesn't work because the uke provides too little energy to work with, how do you plan to compensate for that? What he essentially is trying to wiggle out of, with out giving a propper answer to is "how do you deal with a smart fighter?". How do you deal with someone who has taken away your only defensive weapon?
An aikidoka got very upset with me on another post when i mentioned that aikido doesn't work and when i asked him to show me video proof and not heresay that it works he got even more upset with me.
I confirm. I lost 5 teeth trying to do aikido with my furious mother in law. Plus she kicked me in the balls and I did not know the right move. Still hurting after one week.
If only you did kickboxing and could kick her teeth out. Or BJJ so you could break some arms and choke her out, i mean you would still lose your balls but at least you would have where to live, since you would spend next few years in prison.
Yes, because knocking her teeth out and, breaking her arms would be a great answer........I think not.
thank you .
The power of aikido should not be only in the words. We should be able to showcase the martial aspect of aikido also on the mats, or any protocole with all the safety necessary, @martialartsjourney has already shown it's possible.
The best is to train in many arts. I trained in Kajukenbo for many years and I liked it because it uses tech from different styles to cover just about any situation. I also trained in Kung Fu, Chinese Kenpo and Ed Parker Style Kenpo. I am now 72 years old and can't kick like I used to but my hand techniques are pretty good. I have Arthritis in both hips so I'll probably be using a cane before long so I have started to train in arts with using a cane.
Boxing , kick boxing and even public college student union itsu, had the principle of using enemy power against enemy.
Like when someone charges u in a street fight and u punch him out, the forcr of that punch is s lot more than same force punch if the guy is standing still for example.
So it's not just Aikido which uses enemys momentum as ur asset. . I'm guessing Aikido was there to install life control and chill out virtues among the more aggressive martial artists. ??
Even it's founder said he's against sparring. So how can u use such an art in a fight ?
Gozo Shihoda said that 70% of the effectiveness of an aikido technique lies in the atemi. In other words strike first and then apply the technique.
So you supposed to land the atemi by good chance?
Nothing understood
Akido is very effective when combined with striking it just takes along time to perfect.
what people don't know about aikido is ,wrong timing , and forcing to use one wrong locking technique on your opponent is what making aikido often failed~~ , it is because so many aikido practitioner don't have experience in a fight , and can't calm enough when facing a fight ~~ like knife is not dangerous but it always depend on the people who wielding the knife is dangerous~~
I think its a good arguments, however to have a good foundation to the aikido you could try make as Tori to move the uke when the uke is standing absoulty still, by all means don't let uke start to give a movement until you as tori give uke directions where to go..
Keep it up..
Great explanation .... i am a jerk who wanted to prove aikido ... now i believe it must be A surprise ...
Don’t tell anyone
Don’t go in A cage ..
Ánd O’Sensei is more then aikido only ...
Aikido is a sport that helped me , mentaly!
Aikikai ! To be clear ... i use ukemi waza in football ... it works also in other situation/sports .... 🙋🏼♂️
reporter crusher what’s up with you and that trash grammar and punctuation?
Why not be honest with yourself, drop the martial arts label and teach Aikido as a spiritual dance class?
We have atemi in aikido too and nothing is saying where we could hit like the nose or Adams apple.
Aikido has great foot work like many other combats doesn't have because they move in a line, back & forwards and waiting to take a hit that could miss.
Sadly is that many instructors build theirs aikido on softness and not effectiveness...
@@johancarlnert6283 the nose! ermigerd!! but say, do you actually practice hitting the noses of resisting opponents? like, dare I say it, boxers? or do you mainly muse about the devastating potentialities entailed in noses being targeted by your worthy selves and then decide not to target noses because it would be far too dangerous if someone of your level of deadliness targeted a nose!
@@inyourfaceicity5604 just hit the nose if you have to, simple is that.
@@johancarlnert6283 why don't you go to your local boxing or kickboxing club and ask for three rounds of heavy sparring. see how many hits you can land. next, go to a wrestling school or judo club and see if you can throw anyone there. after you've recovered from the experience, come back here and acknowledge your ignorance.
@@inyourfaceicity5604 have already done that! Including MMA, UFC, Boxing, Karate, Judo also against knife and multipal attackers. 👍
Yourself?
Что такое Айкидо?
Хочется вспомнить, что основатель Айкидо М.Уесиба говорил так . -« Приходите заниматься Айкидо уже получив опыт в других видах будо(желательно жестких) и тогда вам легче будет оценить то, что оно вам предлагает взамен…» И, надо добавить, что лучшие инструктора в Айкидо получаются именно из таких людей...
И еще важный момент, который, почему то многим непонятен- Айкидо это, в первую очередь, состояние духа в боевой обстановке(а в идеале всегда),а базовая техника и методика тренировок ,(особенно с новичками), направлена на развитие этого психофизического состояния.
Многие критикуют именно базовые (учебные) техники, которые кажутся тяжело выполнимыми в уличной драке, но дело в том, что Айкидо- это особое состояние духа(сознания) и имея это состояние, вовсе не нужно в драке привязываться к учебным базовым (которые тоже не работают, если нет этого состояния )техникам ,нужно просто действовать свободно реагируя, оставляя ум в центральной точке тела и использовать любые техники которые помнит тренированное тело, атакуя слабые места агрессора и именно тогда это и будет Реальное Айкидо(а не просто набор техник, которые кому то показались более "реальными").А это значит, что Айкидо является открытой системой в боевом применении и может использовать любые техники и оружие наиболее логичные в каждой конкретной боевой ситуации, что роднит её со всеми боевыми(не спортивными)системами, такими как боевое самбо, армейский рукопашный бой и т.п.
« Айкидо-это неистовое боевое искусство поражающее самый центр атакующего…» (Морихиро Сайто). Все действия в тактике Айкидо .начиная от стойки, являются атакующими, направленными на поражение эпицентра атаки. Как тут не вспомнить народную мудрость- « Лучшая защита- нападение»
Другой момент, что все базовые формы так же имеют свои боевые аналоги, которых гораздо больше чем учебных и их широкая публика не знает, либо думает что это не относится к Айкидо,(раздел прикладных техник Айкидо - Оё-вадза) ,но это не для начинающих- потому что они смертельно опасны и очень болезненны,(а новички еще грубо работают и будут реально калечить друг друга и ничему не научатся -один день тренировок - полгода в гипсе...).
Так же нужно знать что, как и в других видах будо(в каратэ и ушу например), обучение в Айкидо имеет разделы и стили: (1)«Эмоциональное Айкидо» для пожилых,детей,женщин и остальных, не желающих рисковать здоровьем(для пользы здоровья и обретения гармонии(много медитации,тесты "КИ",только лёгкие базовые формы техники.( 2)- Стиль «Хомбу» - (самый массовый),только базовые формы для обретения координации и гармонии духа(нет опасных прикладных техник и минимум работы с оружием).(3)- Для способных к самоотречению -« Айкидо как боевое искусство»- больший арсенал техник, прикладные(опасные) техники, весь арсенал работы с оружием танто, дзё, боккен(фехтование с этим оружием),хамбо, сюрикен-вадза,(плюс методы воздействия на болевые точки),атеми-техника ударов в уязвимые места и серьёзная физическая подготовка,(считаю что это путь для того кто хочет стать инструктором). Самые яркие представители сенсеи обучающие такому Айкидо: Казуо Чибо(Айкикай), Сёдзи Нисио(Айкикай), Хитохиро Сайто-сын Морихиро Сайто(Ивама-рю),Минору Конецука(Айкикай), Ясухиса Сиода-сын Годзо Сиоды(Ёсинкай),это из ныне живущих, есть и другие,но менее известные...
И другой важный момент волнующий многих - почему Основатель запретил соревнования?... Многие считают- по морально-этическим соображениям ,но это не совсем так...Сам он принял огромное количество вызовов на поединки за свою жизнь и с честью вышел из всех(это факты истории), но все дело, опять же, в Состоянии Духа- не возможно быть в этом состоянии внутренней мобилизации и гармонии дающей силу(что реально доказано и тестируется на физическом уровне) -при этом имея эгоистическое желание самоутвердится , победить , одолеть , искалечить ,убить и т.п.
Дух соревновательности и эгоистическое желание одолеть противника лишают даже опытного мастера духа внутренней гармонии и, канал поступления энергии закрывается,т.к. теряется концентрация и покой внутреннего центрирования и, как результат, - нет силы скоординированного ума и тела"… Когда вас атакуют будьте отрешенными и не цепляйтесь ни за жизнь ни за смерть тогда ваш Дух будет вашим щитом..."(Морихей Уесиба). Именно поэтому в спортивных единоборствах (не в боевых искусствах -это принципиально разные системы психофизического тренинга) очень важна физическая сила, т.к. эго не может использовать каналы тонкой жизненной энергии КИ(ЦИ),а только физическую силу тела...(это для тех кто понимает о чем я у кого есть опыт как это реально работает).
Поэтому в любом поединке Айкидо мастер никогда не будет желать победить агрессора, а тем более не будет сам им,- и победа всегда будет за ним, благодаря его отрешенности в бою и умению держать центр (и мы знаем , что многие современные учителя принимали и принимают вызовы на поединки и всегда побеждают в них).
Айкидо - это состояние Духа война, оберегающее саму жизнь, способ научится быть в мире и покое внутри себя , когда вокруг идет война,битва ), а проблема современного Айкидо - его огромная популизация и легкость сдачи экзаменнов у некоторых сенсеев, которая привела к огромному количеству малограмотных, плохо обученных инструкторов, плодящих себе подобных...
Спасибо тем кто понимает!
He didn't even answer the question
lol. He just babbled.
so tell me how i won all those fights at school using aikido
Sounds like it's right for you then.
experience in any martial arts > no experience in martial arts
Vader Gaming Yeah. All those 😂🤣
Also on a side note, I see why a police force would use this form to subdue someone.
While studing bjj at 8,900 feet dudes where running a muck on me the only way i could stop them was with aikido wristlock from guard.
Good commentary.
It seems to me that Aikido blended with a striking martial art would work well with lots of practice.
Lawrence Hamm it would be better to train MMA, aikido isn’t practical.
There is a theory that Aikido was developed as a soft, gentle art to supplement regular combat art, to make the warrior not a berserker and a calculated fighter.
I think Aikido is only good in seminars. But for street fight, aikido is not effective. Because the opponent must attack quickly from various directions and somebody cannot give his hand to the opponent to slam
I think that Aikido Professor Edward Suomin could have put the problem in different and more simple way:
The western/modern world measures and judges things by their immediate & short-term result.
When people estimate/evaluate the different martial arts - their main question is: "how beneficial is it in a street fight?"
and in that sense Aikido fails (i.e. it just doesn't work.. ) and MMA wins.
Aikido is a martial art which is usless in a real fight, but it has other purposes which are important and beneficial
as the Aikido Professor says in the video:
it is about "dimensions of self-identification" and "moving from external to internal" . An aikido student can find these things revealing and helpful , but in won't do you any good against a trained fighter who punched and kicks you. it just won't work.
Then stop calling it a "martial art" and put it on the same level as yoga, for example.
Exactly. If it was mostly referred to as a popular way of dancing or something it would be absolutely fine. But generally it's being sold as something to be used in a fight and that's a problem.
This is all I hear; "I have a knife, he has a gun. He has tested his own hypothesis, that a bullet is faster at twenty feet than me just standing with a knife. He is deaf to hear that I at 20 feet away might win. His whole discipline is useless, nothing else but testing his hypothesis, which is he can shoot me dead. But that's okay, since he needs to improve himself and work on these values---thank you, fire away."
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Ok BUDDY, here it goes. For me, martial arts should be for people who want to learn to defend themselves against attackers that will not let them walk away from the fight. Usually, most people are not trained fighters. Aikido is not a good art for self defense against any person, trained or untrained in any fighting style. Aikido is a dance art, not a martial art. Either change its intended use, or watch it slowly die off. Anyone who disagrees with me needs to prove that it works, or forever question your wasted money and time.
Big part of blame is to Aikikai and the current doshu who has never
bothered that their art
is being watered down to either (1) a brutal strength kata based art or
(2)
fairy dance exercises, instead of on cultivation of aiki (internal
power). Big organization Aikikai focus more on producing "instructors"
so that more students can be produced,
more rankings, hence more $$$.
Too many instructors/students of aikido mistake general samurai fighting
techniques (jujitsu, kenjutsu) for aikido. A wrist twist in jujitsu
does not equal "wrist twist" in aikido but how many knows that. A common
flaw among even seasoned practitioners of the art, many of whom HAS NO
KNOWLEDGE THAT AIKIDO INVOLVES THE STUDY OF AIKI. which of course, the
Japanese, Aikikai, has conveniently forgotten to mention.
If anyone really want to FEEL aikido, and not the bull strength or
fairy dance aikido that has degraded the art, please go see George
ledyard (saotome sensei' student) at the ASU or look up Bill Gleason.
They will show, and teach and share with you WHAT THE JAPANESE WON'T.
Yes Aikido works, it cleans your wallet.
I made a response to this video here:
bit.ly/2CseeVy
He talks a good fight...
Your aikido might not work but mine did and it saved my life but then I train in real aikido not the watered down aikikai taught mostly today.
Same as Taichi.. Aikido also more Suitable for recreation or body anda mind development practicing
Aikido will only work if trained with honesty. Don't step punch, always of the leading foot. Always try to punch your partner. Never just fall over. If it doesn’t work then work on your technique.
Aikido ia the best.i love it.
Aikido does work
If you mix aikido and krav maga techniques with each other then aikido will work
And aikido alone also works simply because you do not always have to kick and hit
With aikido you simply use the power of your opponent and environment against the opponent
And that alone is enough to win a fight
Because you do not have to kick and hit every fight
If you use a few handles of aikido you also just win
Pin Pin no, aikido doesn’t work. With punches flying at you like crazy you won’t be able to get a hold on them to throw them and what not. You mentioned not having to hurt them, why not do bjj? Bjj has been proven to work countless amounts of times in the streets and in the ring, and guess what, you don’t have to hurt the other person.
I'm hearing a lot of words, but seeing no effective live fighting aikido demonstrations...
That might be because some people aren't all that bothered.
Yak yak yak, this guy has a degree in yaking arts..
Yes, Aikido is about self improvement, but still MUST be suitable for an actual fight. As an aikidoka with over 20 years experience I realized that at least 80% of my fellow aikido practitioners around the world just make it FAKE.
There is some awful Aikido being taught to people, which is a shame because it makes other Aikido schools or clubs look bad.
I really like all the foundations of Aikido, but out there, you gotta be able to strike.
He keeps talking about ignorance.... yet he’s never fought an mma guy. I know this because he doesn’t know how effective bjj, mui Thai, wrestling and the other combat sports are.
To begin if aikido is really that effective, senseis don't need to put up a conversation defending it like this one. You don't see Muay Thai fighters, boxers, BJJ practitioners, wrestlers defending their systems. Because they don't need to. We only see masters of martial arts like aikido and wing chun defending the "effectiveness" of their art styles. Because they are effective at all.
Boxers, amateur and professional, are fighters. Period. Aikido is not something you do if you want to fight. Some people who are naturally aggressive can make things work for them. Some people simply love the art. That’s what it is. Why the mockery? Yes, there are cultish and arrogant people in Aikido but I feel MMA is getting there. I respect boxers and wrestlers. I never hear vitriol from them. I guess they’re too busy training. My preferred art is Origami, one paper cut and you’re finished.
True.
I mix Aikido,wrestling and dirty boxing it works great.
Robert Chamberlin no, why not just MMA?
très belles instructions. J'aimerais apprendre de SAA.
People never seem to understand the difference with self-defense and fighting/brawling. Self-defense is meant to neutralize your opponent enough for you to escape. Fighting is 2 guys measuring dicks trying to see who can take more punishment. Self-preservation vs Pride. 99.99% of the Aikido in the world is useless. Not because it doesn't work, but because of the lack of understanding of it. The Aiki-bunnies are what is wrong with Aikido, not the art itself.
Words, words, words.
The whole problem is Aikikai hombu doesn't care whether the traning is effective or not. What good is the organization when there is absolutely no benefit to joining except to be part of the in-club? Aikikai is just teaching techniques/kata and not what Osensei was doing. They worry more about internal politics and getting students to sign up for grading. People have been scammed By Aikikai for too long.
I believe that aikido works and works with other delicipline
So to win Akido don't give your energy, just kick him in the balls
Look like Sling Blade in the thumbnail
This is so stupid! - some comments are so stupid.
You have a choice in martial arts: become a stupid animal or become a higher functioning being. Sophisticated techniques and concepts take many years to learn or even understand.
Face it - NOBODY would make up so many excuses for something that is effective.
Have never seen wrestlers or boxers sitting and explaining under what condition their MA works
Good point
aikido doesn't work.
Cesar Barbosa, did you try it?
Yes, did 4 years of it.
Aikido does not work for YOU
Just 4 years? Try 26 years then get back to me.
@@Samurai-sv2wz i would gladly accept a challenge, use your aikido in me. I promisse I won't punch you or anything. It doesn't work and I'm willing to challenge you if you believe in it.
Isn't funny how Aikido is called innefective by random and anonimous people from the internet and their leader is Joe Rogan? :))))
Just tell me a good fighter that called bad names on Aikido or any other martial arts. You see, that's the difference between fighters and braggers.
All these MMA fanboys think that MMA has proofs that it works because of the matches. But you forget that the guy that lost or got knocked the fuck out in a MMA match it's a MMA practitioner too. :)))))
They want proofs that Aikido works (videos), show me a legit MMA fight on the streets? :)))))) There is none, because if a MMA fighter does it would be expelled from his club and from the federation.
All martial arts are legit. But we are different, some of us will be good at ground, some of us at boxing,etc.
If your Aikido does not work, it is because you willfully refused to make your body strong and tough.
Generally all martial arts don t work.Generally speaking cause they are all incomplete. For example striking arts lack and grappling arts grappling lack striking. They do this so as to appeal to the sport aspect. Since aikido is both incomplete and lacks a sport people tend to look down upon. Also I think most if not of their practitioners forgot it's original purpose
Atemis are the most important part of Aikido and they are not taught until you reach very high level of understanding of the principles.
How convenient
Yeah, UA-cam is full of videos of real martial artists giving Aikido practitioners plenty of real energy to work with, and the Aikido guys always, invariablly fail to "Use" thAt energy in any meaningful way, and get stomped.
This argument is tiresome. The founder created Aikido as a way towards NON VIOLENT responses, not to fight. It is a philosophy taught through physical training. It was never meant to be an MMA style beat'em up approach. While it has its roots in real combat arts, it's not a combat art itself. Would you say TAE-BO fitness classes are a real kickboxing style? It's not intended to be for fighting, right? Aikido was never meant for combat, either. It may have some self defense applicability if you are a serious practitioner but if you want to learn to fight, take up something else. Aikido is for those who want to develop self and avoid conflict. Read the teachings of Morihei Ueshiba. Even most of the mcdojo Aikido instructors I've met miss this point.
Serieusly
Check out toshu randori.
Aikidoka should cut their losses and study Judo.
That's not what Kano jigoro said and, he was the one who founded Judo.
@@Samurai-sv2wz The problem with your comment isn't necessarily that it's wrong, just that it's an opinion from another era. Self-defense has changed since then and with it, our attitudes towards what works in today's society. Now we have more attacks that end up on the ground, more attackers that overwhelm, more brutal attacks with weapons, etc. A 5'7 guy can absolutely defeat a 6'3 hulking man with Judo whereas I wouldn't put money on Aikido being able to do the same..but that's just my opinion.
Yes, fair enough, we all have different thoughts and, opinions on what works and, what doesn't. Aikido isn't for everyone but, the same can be said for all martial arts. What works for one person probably won't work for another. I hope didn't offend you with my comments.
@@Samurai-sv2wz Absolutely agree! and no offense taken...thank you for the kind debate :) Well wishes to any Aikidoka reading this, and hopefully, cross-training be looked upon as a positive thing for all martial artists.
Aikido helps weak people defend themselves from their drunk uncle or some 8yo alley thug. It might sure be less beneficial than skateboarding, or badmintion, or darts, or volleyball in an actual fight. But it sure helps a very little bit, so it still counts. Actually, forget about martial arts and sports. Get yourself a dog and take him out for walks everyday. You'll become stronger than the average aikido guy in many ways.
jujutsu just wrong in philosophy use softness agains hardness
So many keyboard warriors.... Raise your hand if you graduated from FT Benning Georgia's Army Infantry School. Sound like a bunch a kids playing with plastic pistols. I got you! No you didn't I got you! Oh yeah.. if you did that then I'd do this, Nuh uh if you did that then I'd do this.
Dude if your aikido works book an amateur MMA fight or a professional MMA fight if you want to make some easy cash and post it on youtube instead of your theories
Aikido is about as effective as tai chi, so pretty much useless. Take it from someone who trained zealously for 3 years before being disillusioned by a beginner wing chun/judo crosstrainer
Punching and kicking people in the street is a good way to land in jail. I work with LEO’s. This is the age of law suits. Why do pro boxers have bodyguards sometimes? But if your hobby is to routinely get concussed and punch heavy bags have at it. The non sparring training is great cardio but understand the consequences of sparring. Stop comparing ring fighters with people who want to practice an art for self development. Yes Aikido has a martial past but is been modified for a different purpose. Leave it alone already.
the only way aikido works is for regular people..women can benefit from it..problem with aikido is when they face a martial arts expert!!(or a boxer..boxers are the nightmare for aikido numbnuts..lol) ,,yes,,aikido works if the person is attacking you..so he pushes energy..and you can easily deflect it..but what if the guy stays still?..lol...no energy to deflect...right?...but yes,aikido works in normal situations when the other person is not trained in punching noses..lol..why it works?..because is deflects the energy...if combined with serious hard punches..or kicks..aikido is lethal weapon..trust me...but then I abandoned aikido long time ago..if aikido is so great..why we see no aikido guys besides the hapless Steven Segal? on some stupid movies he makes...fat all over like a pig???..why not in a cage..to face a boxer?..lol...if aikido is so good...then they will beat any boxer and make millions of dollars like Mayweather..no?..or Manny Paquaio?..why not they refuse to fight?..since they are so good?...kissi:)
I really think the founder of aikido ...didn't tell the whole truth...and he tried to ,make some pussy boys playing with techniques...and call it martial arts..lol
And, where did you get your knowledge of Aikido from?
Aikido does not work if you talk so much
what in the world is he raging on about?