A few things: 1) Shelf ID's exist so you can a) identify by looking at the rack, and b) each shelf must have its own ID that it reports to the Netapp OS (conflicts cause issues) 2) The fans (when removing the PSU) are not just spinning up to take up the slack, but also going full so you hear (when in the datacenter) that there is a problem. If you have a machine with fans running 100%, it indicates something is wrong. Think of it like "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". Datacenters may be noisy, but 100% fans are still easy to distinguish. This is something built into the firmware to help troubleshoot, but to also keep temps down when there is a problem 3) The lights on the PSUs don't indicate shared power, they're amber because the PSU has an issue based on what the system is seeing (not fully plugged in, plugged in but not initialized yet, or failed) Nice to get an idea of how it sounds at idle, thanks! I only ever hear them in Datacenters. Now I know whether to get one or not.
Nice video showing some of the functions. I picked up 9 of these on auction and had a few issues setting it up with an ARC-1882IX-12. So at that time I decided to just set-up and learn Freenas. Then when the time permits get back to it. What I was able to find out was that it will be a problem to communicate with it via IOM3. I also learned that Dell Compellent HB-SBB2-E601-COMP 0952913-07 6GBp/s SAS Controllers were going to be easier to set up, so I picked up aa few of them.. Just starting to explore going down that road again and have a SFF-8088 shipping to me now. I am very curious if and how you got the IOM3 to communicate with you SAS controller... Headed to your Part 2 now..
For me it was plug and play. I had watched other people's to see what hardware combination worked. I ended up buying the LSI SAS9207-8e. www.ebay.com/itm/LSI-SAS9207-8e-8-Port-External-HBA-PCIe-P20-IT-Mode-for-ZFS-FreeNAS-BOTH-BRACKET/223629481205?epid=6026432756&hash=item34115b14f5:g:5b8AAOSw4axbebDX
Thx for this video. It was very helpful for me. I didnt know IOM are swapable. I bought IOM6 and swap them., I’m total noob when it comes to servers and shelfs, so thank you again.
I just got a hold of a pair of DS224c \ NAJ-1501. One has the SAS interface like yours and one has the SAN controller with a bunch of SFPs. They do not make it easy to find information on these - I assume its behind a login for registered owners.
with two iom6-modules (its the 4246 then basically) and two power supplies but only one plugged in: ~55W with both power supplies plugged in: ~80W Pretty good actually. With some fan-mods you can lower it even more. upgrade from iom3 to iom6 is 30$ from ebay
I dont by any stretch of reality need one of these, but I do want.... why? Just because. Only problem is my server machine only has 1 accessible pci slot which I have a 10G nic in, so I have no place for a HBA...
I hear ya. I only have one because a few years ago someone near me had a rack full of them and was selling them cheap. I still haven't used it yet, sitting in my storage waiting for the day it can start its jet engines.
Got a question for you! I have the DS4246 with the IOM6 controllers in them. I'm building an Unraid PC but my question is do you have to connect the bottom IOM controller to the top IOM controller in order to control the entire shelf? Or will just connecting the top controller (via the cable you have) to the Host PC/Server be enough to control everything??
Either one will "control the whole thing" but its better to connect to both, they're supposed to be daisy-chained, remember, circle to square, and then loop back around, i run freenas and have multipath enable for my drives on my DS4243
Hello I connected via a 9200-8e. He sees the discs but cannot write or even wipe on them. I haven't heard everything, I have a little trouble with English. Is there any manipulation to make it usable?
The one i bought from ebay was already flashed into "IT Mode". This allows it to pass the disks through to the OS. See if that needs to happen to your HBA.
@@SimpleSilicon Thank you for your answer, in the end it was jsute my disks which were in 520MB cluster instead of 512 I found a single order for the deliveries. If it helps anyone else ... sg.danny.cz/sg/sg3_utils.html
Any home PC will work. Just need a free x8 or x16 pcie slot. Your want to make sure the HBA is setup to pass through the disks as opposed to raiding them. That lets the OS see them individually. I recommend freenas or unraid for your OS.
Sure, but windows raid can be unreliable. Hardware raid would be better. You can setup windows raid in disk management. Right click on "this pc" and click manage
@4:20 when you said, "just look it up" ... not to be captain obvious...?? ...But it KINDA negates the ENTIRE PURPOSE of the video PLEASE set up ZFS w a Disk Shelf & compare + contrast with direct attaching drives to an HBA for... • Performance • Scalability • Reliability
A few things:
1) Shelf ID's exist so you can a) identify by looking at the rack, and b) each shelf must have its own ID that it reports to the Netapp OS (conflicts cause issues)
2) The fans (when removing the PSU) are not just spinning up to take up the slack, but also going full so you hear (when in the datacenter) that there is a problem. If you have a machine with fans running 100%, it indicates something is wrong. Think of it like "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". Datacenters may be noisy, but 100% fans are still easy to distinguish. This is something built into the firmware to help troubleshoot, but to also keep temps down when there is a problem
3) The lights on the PSUs don't indicate shared power, they're amber because the PSU has an issue based on what the system is seeing (not fully plugged in, plugged in but not initialized yet, or failed)
Nice to get an idea of how it sounds at idle, thanks! I only ever hear them in Datacenters. Now I know whether to get one or not.
does having 4 PSU make it even more quiet than just 2? like 2 compared to one.
Nice video showing some of the functions. I picked up 9 of these on auction and had a few issues setting it up with an ARC-1882IX-12. So at that time I decided to just set-up and learn Freenas. Then when the time permits get back to it. What I was able to find out was that it will be a problem to communicate with it via IOM3. I also learned that Dell Compellent HB-SBB2-E601-COMP 0952913-07 6GBp/s SAS Controllers were going to be easier to set up, so I picked up aa few of them.. Just starting to explore going down that road again and have a SFF-8088 shipping to me now. I am very curious if and how you got the IOM3 to communicate with you SAS controller... Headed to your Part 2 now..
For me it was plug and play. I had watched other people's to see what hardware combination worked. I ended up buying the LSI SAS9207-8e.
www.ebay.com/itm/LSI-SAS9207-8e-8-Port-External-HBA-PCIe-P20-IT-Mode-for-ZFS-FreeNAS-BOTH-BRACKET/223629481205?epid=6026432756&hash=item34115b14f5:g:5b8AAOSw4axbebDX
A little while ago i bought the iom6 modules. They are said to work better with larger drive.
Perfect video thanks for posting this!
Ty, your welcome
Thx for this video. It was very helpful for me. I didnt know IOM are swapable. I bought IOM6 and swap them., I’m total noob when it comes to servers and shelfs, so thank you again.
Your welcome. I am glad the video helped you. 😊
I also bought the ds4243 or one of those but I wound up getting 3tb drives to fill it
I just got a hold of a pair of DS224c \ NAJ-1501. One has the SAS interface like yours and one has the SAN controller with a bunch of SFPs. They do not make it easy to find information on these - I assume its behind a login for registered owners.
Hey, does it support 18TB drives? Sata or Sas only?
What's the power consumption of these in idle mode with 0 or one disk?
with two iom6-modules (its the 4246 then basically) and two power supplies but only one plugged in: ~55W
with both power supplies plugged in: ~80W
Pretty good actually. With some fan-mods you can lower it even more.
upgrade from iom3 to iom6 is 30$ from ebay
what is the name of the slot where the disk are place on the netapp
These are nowhere near being blades. :) But very informative video!
They're just dumb drive arrays. They're not meant to be anything like blades.
I dont by any stretch of reality need one of these, but I do want.... why? Just because.
Only problem is my server machine only has 1 accessible pci slot which I have a 10G nic in, so I have no place for a HBA...
I hear ya. I only have one because a few years ago someone near me had a rack full of them and was selling them cheap. I still haven't used it yet, sitting in my storage waiting for the day it can start its jet engines.
Got a question for you! I have the DS4246 with the IOM6 controllers in them. I'm building an Unraid PC but my question is do you have to connect the bottom IOM controller to the top IOM controller in order to control the entire shelf? Or will just connecting the top controller (via the cable you have) to the Host PC/Server be enough to control everything??
I can only speak to the model i have. I have connected it to the top contoller and it passed through all the drives
Either one will "control the whole thing" but its better to connect to both, they're supposed to be daisy-chained, remember, circle to square, and then loop back around, i run freenas and have multipath enable for my drives on my DS4243
Dude, get a tripod...
Can you please tell me the temperature of your hard drives running on this storage shelf. Does it over heat?
Hello
I connected via a 9200-8e. He sees the discs but cannot write or even wipe on them. I haven't heard everything, I have a little trouble with English. Is there any manipulation to make it usable?
The one i bought from ebay was already flashed into "IT Mode". This allows it to pass the disks through to the OS. See if that needs to happen to your HBA.
@@SimpleSilicon Thank you for your answer, in the end it was jsute my disks which were in 520MB cluster instead of 512 I found a single order for the deliveries. If it helps anyone else ... sg.danny.cz/sg/sg3_utils.html
just curious on the fact that because it is only a storage shelf what machine do i need to attach to it and how do i do it
You need a host bus adapter. I used the LSI SAS9207-8e
@@SimpleSilicon but is that to be plugged into a server or just any particular host machine
Any home PC will work. Just need a free x8 or x16 pcie slot. Your want to make sure the HBA is setup to pass through the disks as opposed to raiding them. That lets the OS see them individually. I recommend freenas or unraid for your OS.
Simple Silicon would it be possible to have it set up so that it just looks like a giant hard drive on a Windows server
Sure, but windows raid can be unreliable. Hardware raid would be better. You can setup windows raid in disk management. Right click on "this pc" and click manage
@4:20 when you said, "just look it up" ... not to be captain obvious...??
...But it KINDA negates the ENTIRE PURPOSE of the video
PLEASE set up ZFS w a Disk Shelf & compare + contrast with direct attaching drives to an HBA for...
• Performance
• Scalability
• Reliability
150 bucks? jeez lucky muricans cheapest one here in EU is double that been looking for something like this but quite expansive here
I checked again in 2022 and place i bought it is selling it for $400 now
@@SimpleSilicon yeah so roughly same price but still the used market is much bigger in USA so still jealous xD
Also I'd love to see a set up video. :)
Lmfao that thing didn't like it when you took the fan out. It's having a temper tantrum.
These are very cheap for what they are. I think I'll add one to my homelab at some point this year.. :)
were cheap... now around 4-500...
Recommend to upgrade to iom6 expanders for 6 gbit
WTF ARE HBAs?
HBA stands for host bus adapter. For this case it allows me to connect many sata SSD's to a single computer that otherwise only has 3 sata ports.
Hi, is it possible to let me know the exact hba card you have used?
Lsi sas9207-8e
Simple Silicon You mean 9200 8e?
www.ebay.com/itm/LSI-SAS9207-8e-8-Port-External-HBA-PCIe-P20-IT-Mode-for-ZFS-FreeNAS-BOTH-BRACKET/223629481205?epid=6026432756&hash=item34115b14f5:g:5b8AAOSw4axbebDX