Interesting that South African pundits talk about the Bongi try and the Taylor try that should not have stood, but the kiwi pundits only talk about the Bongi try.
Would love too see a collaboration with them and GBR South Africa so our views could be defended. Like some real banter between the two brands would be great.
Yeah, it’s so funny how all black fans would be frustrated by a non try in the exact same way Bok fans would be (and Rassie would make videos about for WOrld Rugby) If you hear us complain you can see yourselves in the mirror
@@nzfreeski All anyone is saying is that your complaints fall on deaf ears when you won't even recognize the potentially controversial try the ABs scored. Ignore that and people will point it out.
@@nzfreeski i think it depends on a few factors. To bleat about a non try against your team, but excuse or ignore a non try by your own team is hypocritical, aren't those non tries cancelling each other out? Also, if a poor decision is made in the 80th minute, I would suggest that is the worst as then a team don't have time to negate the referreing error.
@@bro3545 sadly, you are mistaken. The All Blacks played the Boks, this episode is about those two teams. If the counter facts don't sit well with your narrative, then keep living in your own little bubble 😏
Jeez guys can’t agree more- don’t think Bongi’s try should have been given -but no mention about the clear double banking AB try or Sam Cane(again) with the Kolisi head shot? Cmon guys.
Amazing, the Kiwis can only focus on the ref and his mistakes and that is why they AB didn't win. Really ridiculous. This is why they will not win in Cape Town...
SA rolling maul try had three SA players bound and on their knees dragging it down---we all just need to say that the work from all the Refs was Awful across the board.
It won’t make current refs much better but it might encourage more people to get into reffing thereby increasing the pool of referees. Doesn’t guarantee success but a bigger pool does increase the chances of getting better quality coming through. Same applies to rugby where a bigger pool of players means a better chance of good players coming through.
Come on guys, there were a lot more mistakes. If you read the rules. “If a defender rips the ball out of an opponents hands and the attacker regains possesion before the ball hits the ground it is not a knock on”. Can clearly see why SA got out of Sanzar
He didn't rip the ball, he made with his arm which caused the knock on. I am suprisped with how much the ref missed on both side, that some one eyed boks fans are defending that call. You guys fought back and won ? Why so salty ?
@@gregmagrath7444exactly, these guys are so bias it's not even funny, the double banking with the Cody Taylor try was not even mentioned. The high tackle of Sam Cane on Siya Kolisi, fractured his cheekbone. These guys are masters in nitpicking incidents that makes it looks like the Boks was the only team that benefitted from a dismal officiating debacle 😅
@@johnnieolivier1010 Saffas conveniently ignore the double banking by the Boks in the maul leading up to Kwagga's try. But then again, saffas are the most one eyed supporters in the world. Another test gifted to SA by the officials.
There are always controversial calls in every game - both ways. i think Marshy handled this really well. it is what it is, and the players move on. anything could have happened had the try not been given - either try that is. just part of the game. and what a game it was. Razor is doing outstanding job already. the next few years are going to be titanic between these two great rugby nations...and Ireland and i suspect England and France. How wonderful for the game.
1st All Black try was double banking. Your 10 kicked poles after the clock was on nil. What happened to Siya Kolosi face ?. Was not showing. All your tries came from Springboks mistakes and the Springboks made plenty.
ABs were noticeably superior for 65 minutes. Like the Boks, they also made mistakes in that time and left points out there. Game management in the final 10 was what won the game for the Boks. Many saffas was picking a hiding but the ABs will take plenty of confidence from that game. Boks simply not as far ahead as some think.
If not being fast enough to catch a ball and being incapable of catching one are "mistakes", then goddamn, your backs are utterly incompetent and should be replaced. SA backline was a joke on Sunday, hilarious how your forwards played better in back positions 😂.
Refs have traditionally favoured NZ, no matter what. Wish Sasha had converted that last penalty, so as to take the debate out the Bongi try. Also no mention of the first NZ try which was illegally scored. Like the world cup final blaming the officials....
@@schnickeringhen oh please the ABs got all the 50/50 calls from 2011 to 2018. They still refuse to roll away to the side after a tackle, instead rolling forward into the scrumhalf and getting under his feet, and refs still let them get way with that BS.
@@Flabgrab hahahaaha so not obvious according to the TMO same TMO that said it was not obvious Bongi knocked on. NZ fans cried about Barnes in the final but it was the same Barnes that robbed the Irish in the QF to get you to the final.
1. Mackenzie kicked after the shot clock, 2. ABs rolling maul try was double banking and should not have been given, 3 high tackle to Siya’s face was not looked at or shown by TMO, 4. It took 11 penalties before the ABs got a yellow and only 1 or 2 before the SBs got one. And you Kiwis want to sit there and act like you were “robbed” if anything the ref saved you from complete embarrassment and you should be thanking him.
I wish someone would talk about 22 punching Codie Taylor when he’s on the ground in front of the ref. That grated me for the rest of the game! TMO come on!
Great show as always Guys, thank you!! I think it is always important to have balance, all the talk was how AB's hard done by, no mention of illegal positioning of AB's prop for 1st try or Sam C, again, head on head with Siya. If l missed the chat about those incidents, then apologies.
Why are you talking about bongi’s they but not Codie Taylor’s? His also wasn’t a try, so 1-1. And Cane’s shot on Siya was missed, so overall AB’s got the rub of the green.
Mashy, you are the one Kiwi that I always held a high regard for your fair and unbiased viewpoints; but man, your subjective, selective and biased remarks/viewpoints in this episode (relating to "mistakes from the match officials") just something else and next level. Absolute no mention of Fassi's unfair yellow card; double banking of AB first try; AB try conversion timed out by about 7 seconds; Cane's ridiculous high hit with shoulder to Kolisi's face; etc. etc. Hugely disappointing. Boks also did not get the rub of the green; I think more so than the ABs
ua-cam.com/users/shortsCwTLlwyVIEI?si=rISh_CcyAivl4HIx Knocked on by Barrett into Bongis face and then goes forward ( off his face........ Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it. For a knock-on, the ball must come off hand or arm, not any other part of the body - not the head, not the chest, not the stomach, not the thigh, not the knee
What have you got to say about your first try by Cordie Taylor and that hit on Siya by Sam Cane? Say something about D-Mac kicking the conversion after the clock was 00.
You guys have a great show. I’m looking forward to seeing AB team like we saw in 2015. Attitude not altitude let you down. So far the teams getting beat by SA are all blaming the referee instead of looking at the pros and cons of their own team play. Attitude is trickling down from the idiocracy that prevents England and NZ top players from playing for their countries. Good luck Saturday p.s. can someone explain to Sam Cane to drop before the tackle? No?
Yeah abs getting back to 2015 level would be nuts. I’m saying that the wallabies were pretty incredible in 2015 , I think wallabies are improving again really good win against a tough pumas team other day.
Another NZ RUGBY Channel with 90% comments from Safwits. The fact is all these `Know it All ‘Safwits were shitting bricks for 65 minutes of Saturdays game. I know this as I was watching the game with two of them. They were pooing themselves thinking they had lost. It was hilarious to watch. Managed to win at home verse an AB development squad. The relieve was palpable.
I like Marshy's analysis in that there are too many variables to say...deduct 5 pnts and AB's win. If the knock on is given then there is an entirely different sequence of events. De Allende does not gift an intercept try. Players must adapt to what is in front of them and the Boks (trailing by 10 pnts) where implacable, unflappable and irresistible 😁
Another good poddy gents. I quite like this one compared to when the south africans do there's. Cause they give praise or speak about other teams but then always back to themselves and how good they are. JP is bloody good. Great dynamic with Justin. Keep it up Gents.
Forget 2016, the ABs got away with a few calls in this game too😂 Their first try was definitely from double banking and Sam Cane has been given free passes on trying to give Saffa players brain damage
60m people mate.... It's not a fringe sport like in Australia... So you will unfortunately get the rif raff with little upbringing on here .... Apologies from a saffa
Read the comments again - most guys are commenting on NZ fans still moaning ........ about something new they've found to moan about. I honestly was still enjoying the 95 99 2003 2007 2019 2023 world cup moans.
Would be nice of them to talk about the rugby instead of just whinging over and over. They talk the abs up like theyre so high and mighty but never talk about any of the other impacts like double banking that should have been a non ab try or cane fracturing siyas face. You guys are the bunch of whingers ever since we thumped you at Twickenham and nicked the RWC that you all so deserved to win. 😢
@@Invinciwil Bruh, you're still 300 miles off having a better record than our ABs so fill your boots with your gloating. Don't recall that Twickenham game being 57-0.
New Zealanders after the world cup final "The TMO is getting too involved in the game". New Zealanders after this weekend "The TMO needs to get more involved in the game".
Wrong. Difference is TMO shouldn’t be in refs ear and going back 10 phases. ALL tries and dangerous tackles should be checked. Clearly this never happened. Even our 1st try should never have been allowed. Bongis try should never have been allowed. All agree TMO interfered too much during World Cup, however in match on weekend, TMO was not present at all.
@@HeeniKeke Just a note on that "going back 10 phases " there was a knock right? So if it was refed correctly the TMo should not have come in at all the ref should have seen the knock. Got to love NZ fans " We lost because we knocked on the ball, but the tmo went to far back "
@@tsudaniealso they scored like a minute later from the penalty they got anyway so it really didn’t impact the game much at all. Should rather blame Jordie or Richie for missing kicks🤷♂️
Poor! Talk about ll the crap decisions. Salty sour kiwis. Expected more from Justin Marshall…. One would think he knows what truck and trailer is for example. Amazing seeing kiwis with a generational level of mediocrity and regular losses…. Almost celebrating progress ….. even though it was a young book team who played at 75%. Truly funny seeing how their standards have dropped…. Literally all tries were from bok mistakes. Anyways great test and expect a back lash in Cape Town! Won’t be surprised if NZ bounce back.
Boy's please, Line those Laces Up on the Ball Rack. That's the "OCD" talking. All Blacks win 2nd Test, for what its worth i do see improvement. It's coming the pieces are coming together.
1. Mbongi’s try wasn’t dropped it was knocked on by Barrett. 2. The AB’s try wasn’t, should have a penalty against Lomax during the line out for double banking. 3. Cane should have binned for a high tackle on Siya.
@@garry_thomas Majority of Saffas live constantly in their “victim” mentality. They are incapable of wearing number 1 ranked and favourite tag due to this. I’m over them all
No axe to grind here. Would like a discussion on how the Argies didn't get a restart after the last penalty. Penalty was awarded before the 79 minute mark, and one would think that with a 60s shot clock there would be a restart. Aussies took some time to declare the shot while the clock was running. Shot clock then started after the 79 minute mark and ref didn't allow a restart.
Justin Marshal is such a quality pundit, technically so astute and not a woke hair on his head. I shared his observation of the All Blacks, they looked lethal
South Africans, please stop trying to make points in the comments, it looks so bad. We won, and yes, we were lucky with a few. They are allowed to talk about where they got unlucky.
As a bok fan and long time rugby player... Hellll no that wasn't a try. Even bok pundits and ex players from the boks have said, yikes, bongi try is a knock on. Without bias you gotta be able to be objective and say, that's just bad officiating. All day.
@zee.garcim happy to be objective, but guys are quoting rule 1.5 and it leaves me trying to work out who's right. Certainly Saffa pundits and ex Boks like Skalla and Jean are saying knock on, but often players don't know the finer points of apparently simple transgressions. Surely this is a black and white issue, it was or it wasn't.
@@petes9524 Ball was clearly loss forward and not in control. The misinterpretation is using confirmation bias to say well, he was still in control, or it was dislodged by Jordie. Those don't stand, there is clear separation from ball and possession meaning control was lost.
The finest refereeing to date is the All Blacks England test Series and All Blacks vs Argentina 1st and 2nd tests absolutely 1st class match officiating from Nic Berry and Andrea Piardi
Okay Marshy NZ were robbed 5 points which was costly at the end. How about Taylor's try which I think robbed Boks 7 points. Why you looking at this from a NZ side point of view ONLY?
They were few bad calls on the day against both sides. Despite that NZ got 10 points lead after that with less than 16min or so to go and they gave that away.
Let's not forget about DMac being offside for the lineout overthrow that led to Caleb Clarke's 2nd try. He may only encroach the 10m space from the lineout once the ball crosses the 15m line. DMac started running when Taylor threw in. I guess the ARs were asleep as well.
After a request by Planet Rugby, World Rugby match officials confirmed that the Mbonambi try was the correct decision. Barrett knocked the ball on, it went backwards for Mbonambi and then he scored the try, just before the line, but then his momentum moved the ball over the line. So, contrary to the Cody Taylor try, Mbonambi's try was legit.
I couldn’t watch past the first few minutes. Justin admits it was played on the big screen. It was a try after all so it should have been played multiple times. The officiating team missed that one. The TMO was very quiet in this game and there were many things that could have been pointed out. As everyone knows, nobody knows what would have happened if Bongi’s try was disallowed. The Boks might have got a penalty and then scored anyway, for example. NZ were ahead at the end but couldn’t close out the game. Was an intense match as always. I’m hoping the Boks can win back the freedom cup. It’s about time!
...strange how these boys claim the replaying of infringements is an SA thing...we're the innovators in rugby these days, but the replaying of infringements was birthed at Twickenham, and has been used by all rugby nations all over the world, to the benefit of their own team. If you want every infringement reviewed and replayed on the big screen, wait for the next RWC.
Mate the area didn't 'disintegrate a little'... LOL just saying it directly: a cesspool of crime and dilapidated structures. Ellis Park is in Hillbrow, literally one of the worst suburbs in South Africa due to the insane poor politics by the ruling ANC party over the past 30 years.
Irish supporter. Justin says it as it is ,for him, as well as exactly how it is for the vast majority of the time. To his mostly one-eyed detractors I say: 'Until you have played at Justin's level for as long as he did and have his vast depth of experience, please curb yer animosities and try hard not to allow yer gob to write cheques thet yer arse will never cash' 🏴☠☘.
Toxic boks fans are so punishing. A few years ago they all cried about the refs every game. Now they're on a winning roll and they don't care anymore. The game is broken when it comes to the way it's reffed. If it's not a knock-on and the try stands then is that the way it's going to be called every time this happens? I'm willing to bet it won't. The same thing will happen in a different game but the call by the referee will be different.
Pretty amazing shout out to Kees meews there thats amazing that he did that especially to an opponent. Prop can be very very dangerous and looking out for each other in moments like that is massive. We all want to beat each other but no player wants to see another player end up in a wheelchair or dead.
Saffas expect every channel throughout the world to praise them and respect them. They need to do doco and call it “Chasing Respect” It’s just a joke that they can’t even win with humility. They win with arrogance and whining
Do yourself a favour and watch the try at normal speed (25fps), not at 400 or was it 500fps super slow-mo which completely distorts and bends reality. Well done to the TMO which evidently saw through this. Sure, slow-mo technology is great for certain decisions like a foot in touch, but is often not the case for motion and movement decisions. In laymen terms the coverage shows the try at normal speed from behind where you can't see the ball being grounded then for some reason they don't show the close up angle of the try at normal speed only in slow-mo, so the motion we are watching is slowed down by about twenty times and only then can we just make out a split second separation of hand and ball, but speed it up to normal speed and the time zone we play the game and you do not see anything wrong with it being a try. I don't blame Marshy for is reaction and thoughts, but he needs to understand it's the slow-mo which is misleading him....
It’s more shameful that Saffas flood every NZ channel to gloat or belittle. Saffas believe NZ can never analyse a game and that we must all just give praise to SA. Get a life ffs
As a Springbok supporter, we definitely need more consistency from refs. We have the TMO and then we don’t use it🤷🏻♀️ No matter how inconvenient. If the ref doesn’t pick up a serious infraction then the TMO comes into play.
I’m tired of them. I wish they were only able to be utilised to confirm or deny a score. I’m happy to accept the reduced accuracy by utilising the 3 on field umpires during open play.
The abs starting 15 I think are marginally better but the springboks second team is miles better at this stage and that ain’t gonna change this weekend. The abs need more time and to be fair I actually think we just don’t have enough good players anymore. The running rugby style of play just doesn’t work with the modern rules and we don’t seem willing to change.
Love Marshy's balanced view of the game but JP's one sided monologue in favour of the ABs is tiring. The Cane high shot, Mackenzie over the shot clock, the double banking on the first AB try. Did he see none of those? Brace is human and made mistakes both ways. Excellent game that flowed rather than the frustrating stop start of recent games. Best game I've seen in years. ..
Crazy amout of Salty South Africans in here, you guys won, great fight back, ABs lost it in the last 15 with so many errors. Enjoy the win boys, suprising that some are defending any or all of the bad calls which affected both sides.
"Being on the wrong side of the ref" seems to be a recurring thing for SA opposition for the las couple of years at least... By the way did you know how much it means for their people?
What about Koroibete high tackle to Kremer... If were Lavaninni they send him to jail... Or the tackle in the air to Carreras.... What pisses me off is that refs call inmediatly scrum penalties were 2 props push on angle, 1 is full extended and the other crowilng but they can't get the obvious ones
Refs somehow missed Sam Cane caving Kolisi's cheek in AGAIN. Sam's a slow learner isn't he? Or is he an AB hitman and Kolisi was targeted like Frizell did to Bongi in the RWC.
On behalf of the more intelligent South African rugby supporters i agree with you on Bongi's try and what was said about SuperSports multiple slow motion replays when it comes to the opposition. The ones crying on here about double banking just can't acknowledge that the TMO and ref made a mistake regarding Bong''s try.
Hilarious hearing Justin Marshall complain about how the local Saffa broadcast staff will replay actions that benefit their team when the Kiwi broadcasters do exactly the same thing. That said, the Saffas are atrocious at it
@@Dee-Dee-y2k ha whatever, lang park looked more like Bloemfontein than Brisbane with the Partisan Bokke crowd. It’s not Australia’s fault both NZ and SA are horrible places to live
Carrying on as if 5points cost them the game. As long as there was time on the clock SA would die trying to win. NZ played well for 60min. Unfortunately when you're playing people who have more to play for than a cup, you have got to go the full 80.
You are all missing a few key mistakes here. Quick to judge the Bongi try. First all black try should have been a springbok penalty. One Dmac kick was well over the shot clock. Fassi yellow card was in open play Cane should have received another red card for breaking Siyas jaw. So if we want to talk about games swingers there were way more for the All blacks
@@otagogold2236 Bind change was after he came through the middle. Found himself on the SA side and then pivoted and came over the back of the ball carrier. Not trying to litigate this here, but ref clearly says the penalty was for the changing of bind. Would encourage to look at it again and judge for yourself.
Both Taylor and Bongi tries should have been wiped off the board. NZ came off better with a net gain of 2 points because Sacha missed the conversion. Ref styles are different and as pro's the players must learn to adjust accordingly. Can the influence of the TMO be minimized? Of course it's uber frustrating, but the calls will never be perfect. It was a great game, an 80 minute challenge and thats whatvwe want as fans.
Interesting that South African pundits talk about the Bongi try and the Taylor try that should not have stood, but the kiwi pundits only talk about the Bongi try.
Would love too see a collaboration with them and GBR South Africa so our views could be defended. Like some real banter between the two brands would be great.
Yeah, it’s so funny how all black fans would be frustrated by a non try in the exact same way Bok fans would be (and Rassie would make videos about for WOrld Rugby)
If you hear us complain you can see yourselves in the mirror
@@nzfreeski All anyone is saying is that your complaints fall on deaf ears when you won't even recognize the potentially controversial try the ABs scored. Ignore that and people will point it out.
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James Parsons did say it wasn’t at try. That’s why I Aotearoa Rugby Podcast. They try to be more balanced.
Amazing how the narrative sticks to one non try decision, but not the non try from the AB's
It’s amazing how the all black fans are frustrated by a poor Call in the exact same way, south African fans and even Rassie would be
@@nzfreeski i think it depends on a few factors. To bleat about a non try against your team, but excuse or ignore a non try by your own team is hypocritical, aren't those non tries cancelling each other out? Also, if a poor decision is made in the 80th minute, I would suggest that is the worst as then a team don't have time to negate the referreing error.
Go and watch a Bok show, this one isn't for Saffas'.
@@bro3545 sadly, you are mistaken. The All Blacks played the Boks, this episode is about those two teams. If the counter facts don't sit well with your narrative, then keep living in your own little bubble 😏
New Zealand have always been like that. Very one sided. Might be a reason why they dipping.
Jeez guys can’t agree more- don’t think Bongi’s try should have been given -but no mention about the clear double banking AB try or Sam Cane(again) with the Kolisi head shot? Cmon guys.
www.youtube.com/@tasanalytics/videos -- C'mon , even SA Media know it was a clear knock on
Dirty cheats
kolisi targeted canes concrete shoulders
Amazing, the Kiwis can only focus on the ref and his mistakes and that is why they AB didn't win. Really ridiculous. This is why they will not win in Cape Town...
@@lynettedewet8604 am Irish boy watch it or ill belt ya one son
Always a joy to
listen to Marshy - legend of a player and brilliant pundit.
Really enjoy him.
NZs first try was double banking. It should not have been given.
SA rolling maul try had three SA players bound and on their knees dragging it down---we all just need to say that the work from all the Refs was Awful across the board.
Go look at the maul where Ofa got a yellow card… what is PSDT doing in front ?
Yeah and all the South African maul trys were truck and trailer
Your right.. but just don't lose yr feet in the scrum 😅
So was Bongis. As well as a Knock on. TMO was clearly asleep when ever a big call had to be made
Assuming referees will perform “better” for an extra $10k is diabolical analysis 🤣😂
But we already pay the ref an extra 10k on the side...?!
@@oldblack15 🤣
It won’t make current refs much better but it might encourage more people to get into reffing thereby increasing the pool of referees. Doesn’t guarantee success but a bigger pool does increase the chances of getting better quality coming through.
Same applies to rugby where a bigger pool of players means a better chance of good players coming through.
Come on guys, there were a lot more mistakes. If you read the rules. “If a defender rips the ball out of an opponents hands and the attacker regains possesion before the ball hits the ground it is not a knock on”. Can clearly see why SA got out of Sanzar
He didn't rip the ball, he made with his arm which caused the knock on. I am suprisped with how much the ref missed on both side, that some one eyed boks fans are defending that call. You guys fought back and won ? Why so salty ?
Lol you clearly have to be a saffa to justify that knock on. The most one eyed supporters in the world.
@@eyeofrage7025 salty cause this podcast only stuck to one mistake that was made. There were many more, why not talk about that as well…
@@gregmagrath7444exactly, these guys are so bias it's not even funny, the double banking with the Cody Taylor try was not even mentioned. The high tackle of Sam Cane on Siya Kolisi, fractured his cheekbone. These guys are masters in nitpicking incidents that makes it looks like the Boks was the only team that benefitted from a dismal officiating debacle 😅
@@johnnieolivier1010 Saffas conveniently ignore the double banking by the Boks in the maul leading up to Kwagga's try. But then again, saffas are the most one eyed supporters in the world. Another test gifted to SA by the officials.
There are always controversial calls in every game - both ways. i think Marshy handled this really well. it is what it is, and the players move on. anything could have happened had the try not been given - either try that is. just part of the game. and what a game it was. Razor is doing outstanding job already. the next few years are going to be titanic between these two great rugby nations...and Ireland and i suspect England and France. How wonderful for the game.
🎉🎉🎉still waiting to hear about sam cane breaking kholisis cheekbone...
Maybe it was payback for the world cup cards difference. Cane wanted to dye Siya's card with his own blood.
@@Rugbylifehuskie Wisdom has been chasing you. But you have always been faster
😢so that means I am stupid? @@alondekoker7845
Daai kaffer sal twee dink voor hy uit trap om n All-black te tackle ‼️
@@Rugbylifehuskie they sure showed Siya by losing another game and 10 to 1 the RC.
1st All Black try was double banking. Your 10 kicked poles after the clock was on nil. What happened to Siya Kolosi face ?. Was not showing. All your tries came from Springboks mistakes and the Springboks made plenty.
ABs were noticeably superior for 65 minutes. Like the Boks, they also made mistakes in that time and left points out there. Game management in the final 10 was what won the game for the Boks. Many saffas was picking a hiding but the ABs will take plenty of confidence from that game. Boks simply not as far ahead as some think.
If not being fast enough to catch a ball and being incapable of catching one are "mistakes", then goddamn, your backs are utterly incompetent and should be replaced. SA backline was a joke on Sunday, hilarious how your forwards played better in back positions 😂.
What's wrong with tries coming from mistakes? Did not SA only score from Frances mistakes in the World Cup semi?
@@DavidSmith-yi8ouexactly.
@@fmacclure crickets 😂
Refs have traditionally favoured NZ, no matter what. Wish Sasha had converted that last penalty, so as to take the debate out the Bongi try. Also no mention of the first NZ try which was illegally scored. Like the world cup final blaming the officials....
Show us the evidence that the refs favour the ABs or admit that you're just making up crap.
@@schnickeringhen oh please the ABs got all the 50/50 calls from 2011 to 2018. They still refuse to roll away to the side after a tackle, instead rolling forward into the scrumhalf and getting under his feet, and refs still let them get way with that BS.
I clearly watched a different game to 90% of you....Brilliant game, Both nation's should be very proud of their boys.
The only non try was the ABs first try... Barret knocked the ball on and Bongi dotted it down Finnish
Barrett was never in possession of the ball so how tf did he knock it on 🤣
@Crimsonfate and he clearly wasn't in control of the ball the entire time either.
Makes me laugh al these people putting themselves in a pretzel to say its not a knock on
This is a great show boys!! Love your work JP and Marshy... I would say this is better than aotearoa rugby pod, awesone stuff keep up the good work
11:27 he can't talk of sam Caine head on again and McKenzie going past the clock again ,such is the all blacks
The on screen clock is not the clock the Refs use, it's a best guess.
Boks won you know, good fight back 💪 enjoy it
Mitigation buddy Kolisi was falling
@@Flabgrab hahahaaha so not obvious according to the TMO same TMO that said it was not obvious Bongi knocked on.
NZ fans cried about Barnes in the final but it was the same Barnes that robbed the Irish in the QF to get you to the final.
@whakatane6298 rubbish Caine didn't bend...that's how he tackles 😂😂😂😂
South African online trolls are the absolute worst 😂
We like to win everything 😂 thank you 🎉
Same as you, bloody crybabies🤧🤮
bunch of parrots
Loving the Bledisloe banter.😂 If I had to conservatively guess, The Wallabies would probably win it back 🏆 before the turn of the next century.🤣
No mention of Siya's injury and the high tackle. Please do proper reviews if you want to talk about decisions in the game
Love that shoutout to Kees Meeuws! Mad respect 🫡
The URC trialled a Captains challenge a couple of years ago. It was extremely effective - at slowing the game down and sapping momentum for everyone
1. Mackenzie kicked after the shot clock, 2. ABs rolling maul try was double banking and should not have been given, 3 high tackle to Siya’s face was not looked at or shown by TMO, 4. It took 11 penalties before the ABs got a yellow and only 1 or 2 before the SBs got one. And you Kiwis want to sit there and act like you were “robbed” if anything the ref saved you from complete embarrassment and you should be thanking him.
I wish someone would talk about 22 punching Codie Taylor when he’s on the ground in front of the ref. That grated me for the rest of the game! TMO come on!
Good 👊🏽
@@eugeneduplessis140 sure was. Good foul play and refs did good ignoring it.
Shame , you must be a treat to watch the game with?
He deserved it for his bullshit try 😅
Great show as always Guys, thank you!! I think it is always important to have balance, all the talk was how AB's hard done by, no mention of illegal positioning of AB's prop for 1st try or Sam C, again, head on head with Siya. If l missed the chat about those incidents, then apologies.
Marshy is sensible. Appreciate his input.
What about the double banking on cody taylors try?
Why are you talking about bongi’s they but not Codie Taylor’s? His also wasn’t a try, so 1-1. And Cane’s shot on Siya was missed, so overall AB’s got the rub of the green.
Mashy, you are the one Kiwi that I always held a high regard for your fair and unbiased viewpoints; but man, your subjective, selective and biased remarks/viewpoints in this episode (relating to "mistakes from the match officials") just something else and next level. Absolute no mention of Fassi's unfair yellow card; double banking of AB first try; AB try conversion timed out by about 7 seconds; Cane's ridiculous high hit with shoulder to Kolisi's face; etc. etc. Hugely disappointing. Boks also did not get the rub of the green; I think more so than the ABs
He's objective when he's pissed.
Go watch Eggchasers then. He simply praises SA for everything and sees no wrong in any of their play. This is a NZ show.
@@HeeniKeke don't be childish.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 thank you. All Blacks had the rub of the green and are moaning about 1 arguable try.
@@theroogie yet Saffas are flooding every channel being salty winners.
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Knocked on by Barrett into Bongis face and then goes forward ( off his face........
Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it. For a knock-on, the ball must come off hand or arm, not any other part of the body - not the head, not the chest, not the stomach, not the thigh, not the knee
What have you got to say about your first try by Cordie Taylor and that hit on Siya by Sam Cane? Say something about D-Mac kicking the conversion after the clock was 00.
Saffas are the saltiest winners and worst losers
gracious winning at its best
You guys have a great show. I’m looking forward to seeing AB team like we saw in 2015. Attitude not altitude let you down. So far the teams getting beat by SA are all blaming the referee instead of looking at the pros and cons of their own team play. Attitude is trickling down from the idiocracy that prevents England and NZ top players from playing for their countries.
Good luck Saturday
p.s. can someone explain to Sam Cane to drop before the tackle? No?
Yeah abs getting back to 2015 level would be nuts. I’m saying that the wallabies were pretty incredible in 2015 , I think wallabies are improving again really good win against a tough pumas team other day.
Another NZ RUGBY Channel with 90% comments from Safwits.
The fact is all these `Know it All ‘Safwits were shitting bricks for 65 minutes of Saturdays game.
I know this as I was watching the game with two of them. They were pooing themselves thinking they had lost.
It was hilarious to watch. Managed to win at home verse an AB development squad.
The relieve was palpable.
They need to stick to Bok pandering Eggchaser who tells them what they want to hear.
You don't like the truth
Keo and zelo...
@@beazjohnson9865Yeah. I think that ’Tim’ guy is after his Safwit citizenship.
@@foxyfoxyyumyum8511 eggchaser subscribership
I like Marshy's analysis in that there are too many variables to say...deduct 5 pnts and AB's win. If the knock on is given then there is an entirely different sequence of events. De Allende does not gift an intercept try. Players must adapt to what is in front of them and the Boks (trailing by 10 pnts) where implacable, unflappable and irresistible 😁
oh by the way I have Nord also 👍
Another good poddy gents. I quite like this one compared to when the south africans do there's. Cause they give praise or speak about other teams but then always back to themselves and how good they are. JP is bloody good. Great dynamic with Justin. Keep it up Gents.
2016 TJ scored the exact same way
And you called us moaners
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Kafferbokke😂
Forget 2016, the ABs got away with a few calls in this game too😂 Their first try was definitely from double banking and Sam Cane has been given free passes on trying to give Saffa players brain damage
@@1of4Thatsthescore that's worse than saying the N word and frankly you should be ashamed of yourself.
No surprise that the comments are full of whinging Saffas despite their win. If only they had the same grace, humility and dignity of the SA players.
60m people mate.... It's not a fringe sport like in Australia... So you will unfortunately get the rif raff with little upbringing on here .... Apologies from a saffa
Read the comments again - most guys are commenting on NZ fans still moaning ........ about something new they've found to moan about. I honestly was still enjoying the 95 99 2003 2007 2019 2023 world cup moans.
Would be nice of them to talk about the rugby instead of just whinging over and over. They talk the abs up like theyre so high and mighty but never talk about any of the other impacts like double banking that should have been a non ab try or cane fracturing siyas face. You guys are the bunch of whingers ever since we thumped you at Twickenham and nicked the RWC that you all so deserved to win. 😢
@@Invinciwil Bruh, you're still 300 miles off having a better record than our ABs so fill your boots with your gloating. Don't recall that Twickenham game being 57-0.
As opposed to the whinging commentators on Kiwi podcasts.
New Zealanders after the world cup final "The TMO is getting too involved in the game". New Zealanders after this weekend "The TMO needs to get more involved in the game".
Wrong. Difference is TMO shouldn’t be in refs ear and going back 10 phases. ALL tries and dangerous tackles should be checked. Clearly this never happened. Even our 1st try should never have been allowed. Bongis try should never have been allowed. All agree TMO interfered too much during World Cup, however in match on weekend, TMO was not present at all.
@@HeeniKeke Just a note on that "going back 10 phases " there was a knock right? So if it was refed correctly the TMo should not have come in at all the ref should have seen the knock.
Got to love NZ fans " We lost because we knocked on the ball, but the tmo went to far back "
@@HeeniKekeDid you honestly expect the ref to award the try at the WC final when millions saw the obvious knock on from Smith? He couldn't.
@@dantewalters7207 Yes and now they use it as an excuse why they lost - " We should have won - the ref called a knock on
@@tsudaniealso they scored like a minute later from the penalty they got anyway so it really didn’t impact the game much at all. Should rather blame Jordie or Richie for missing kicks🤷♂️
Robertson will make this a world champion team.
but it was a try Boden knocked it and Bongi grounded it it did not clearly go forward nor was there absolute clear separation
Wrong, Jordie never stripped it, he had his hands under it -- www.youtube.com/@tasanalytics/videos
the ball literally bounces you clown
ol "boden"
@@maffrose if he stripped it it would not have been try
Poor! Talk about ll the crap decisions. Salty sour kiwis. Expected more from Justin Marshall…. One would think he knows what truck and trailer is for example. Amazing seeing kiwis with a generational level of mediocrity and regular losses…. Almost celebrating progress ….. even though it was a young book team who played at 75%. Truly funny seeing how their standards have dropped…. Literally all tries were from bok mistakes. Anyways great test and expect a back lash in Cape Town! Won’t be surprised if NZ bounce back.
Marshy is a good friend of Razor. No, he knows what double banking is! Lol Also, the Boks to win by at least 9+ on Saturday
Deluded
Guys please sort your sound levels. Thanks
From a Cape Toniann great podcast. 👍
I heard that same storey about Kes. What a standup guy!
Was the first All Blacks try double banking? Would like to know when it is regarded as double banking
Boy's please, Line those Laces Up on the Ball Rack. That's the "OCD" talking. All Blacks win 2nd Test, for what its worth i do see improvement. It's coming the pieces are coming together.
Lets go All blacks
At least this time the excuse isn’t that the players were poisoned by ‘Susie’ 😂..
Crazy to see the denial.
Yeah does it remind you of someone in the McCaw days? Look in the mirror
Saffas are totally the saltiest winners I’ve ever seen.
Crazy to see so many angry winners
1. Mbongi’s try wasn’t dropped it was knocked on by Barrett.
2. The AB’s try wasn’t, should have a penalty against Lomax during the line out for double banking.
3. Cane should have binned for a high tackle on Siya.
And? According to you, Springboks never got away with anything and played perfectly? Seriously?
The ref made bad and wrong calls for both.
knocked on by barrett who never had possession of the ball? fmd
@@danielmoyo7298 Why are Saffas on every NZ channel whining and demanding that they be praised and talked about? Sheesh!
@HeeniKeke they are defending their 16th, 17th and 18th players on the field and in the bunker.
@@garry_thomas Majority of Saffas live constantly in their “victim” mentality. They are incapable of wearing number 1 ranked and favourite tag due to this. I’m over them all
This is one of the best rugby podcasts going atm. Great insights.
Super biased
Extremely Bisaed show,wow.
No axe to grind here. Would like a discussion on how the Argies didn't get a restart after the last penalty. Penalty was awarded before the 79 minute mark, and one would think that with a 60s shot clock there would be a restart. Aussies took some time to declare the shot while the clock was running. Shot clock then started after the 79 minute mark and ref didn't allow a restart.
Justin Marshal is such a quality pundit, technically so astute and not a woke hair on his head. I shared his observation of the All Blacks, they looked lethal
South Africans, please stop trying to make points in the comments, it looks so bad.
We won, and yes, we were lucky with a few. They are allowed to talk about where they got unlucky.
Read the rules mate -turns out it the rules clearly show Bongi's was a try. 1st All Black try according to the rules - no try.
There're called Laws
Go and watch a Bok show
As a bok fan and long time rugby player...
Hellll no that wasn't a try. Even bok pundits and ex players from the boks have said, yikes, bongi try is a knock on. Without bias you gotta be able to be objective and say, that's just bad officiating. All day.
@zee.garcim happy to be objective, but guys are quoting rule 1.5 and it leaves me trying to work out who's right.
Certainly Saffa pundits and ex Boks like Skalla and Jean are saying knock on, but often players don't know the finer points of apparently simple transgressions.
Surely this is a black and white issue, it was or it wasn't.
@@petes9524 Ball was clearly loss forward and not in control. The misinterpretation is using confirmation bias to say well, he was still in control, or it was dislodged by Jordie. Those don't stand, there is clear separation from ball and possession meaning control was lost.
The finest refereeing to date is the All Blacks England test Series and All Blacks vs Argentina 1st and 2nd tests absolutely 1st class match officiating from Nic Berry and Andrea Piardi
Justin Marshall is one of these rare players that has transitioned into broadcasting like an old pro
JUSTIN YOU RIGHT BOTH TEAMS HAD BEEN WRONGED WITH ON FIELD DECISIONS GET ON WITH IT WERE A GREAT GAME FROM THE 2 BEST TEAMS IN HISTORY
Agreed 👍
Okay Marshy NZ were robbed 5 points which was costly at the end. How about Taylor's try which I think robbed Boks 7 points. Why you looking at this from a NZ side point of view ONLY?
They were few bad calls on the day against both sides. Despite that NZ got 10 points lead after that with less than 16min or so to go and they gave that away.
Hey gents, all sides get this problem forget the ref and move on
Let's not forget about DMac being offside for the lineout overthrow that led to Caleb Clarke's 2nd try. He may only encroach the 10m space from the lineout once the ball crosses the 15m line. DMac started running when Taylor threw in. I guess the ARs were asleep as well.
After a request by Planet Rugby, World Rugby match officials confirmed that the Mbonambi try was the correct decision. Barrett knocked the ball on, it went backwards for Mbonambi and then he scored the try, just before the line, but then his momentum moved the ball over the line. So, contrary to the Cody Taylor try, Mbonambi's try was legit.
What if the ball went straight down and not forward🤔
All blacks will start dominating after giving SA a good hidding this weekend ❤
Without the tmo and technology...thats a try every time
I think Justin forgot that the boks also have a new defective and attacking couches and these guys are also trying different things
I couldn’t watch past the first few minutes. Justin admits it was played on the big screen. It was a try after all so it should have been played multiple times. The officiating team missed that one. The TMO was very quiet in this game and there were many things that could have been pointed out. As everyone knows, nobody knows what would have happened if Bongi’s try was disallowed. The Boks might have got a penalty and then scored anyway, for example. NZ were ahead at the end but couldn’t close out the game. Was an intense match as always. I’m hoping the Boks can win back the freedom cup. It’s about time!
A few issues early on but they got sorted out, sounds like the Bok performance
...strange how these boys claim the replaying of infringements is an SA thing...we're the innovators in rugby these days, but the replaying of infringements was birthed at Twickenham, and has been used by all rugby nations all over the world, to the benefit of their own team.
If you want every infringement reviewed and replayed on the big screen, wait for the next RWC.
Mate the area didn't 'disintegrate a little'... LOL just saying it directly: a cesspool of crime and dilapidated structures. Ellis Park is in Hillbrow, literally one of the worst suburbs in South Africa due to the insane poor politics by the ruling ANC party over the past 30 years.
Irish supporter. Justin says it as it is ,for him, as well as exactly how it is for the vast majority of the time. To his mostly one-eyed detractors I say: 'Until you have played at Justin's level for as long as he did and have his vast depth of experience, please curb yer animosities and try hard not to allow yer gob to write cheques thet yer arse will never cash' 🏴☠☘.
Toxic boks fans are so punishing. A few years ago they all cried about the refs every game. Now they're on a winning roll and they don't care anymore.
The game is broken when it comes to the way it's reffed. If it's not a knock-on and the try stands then is that the way it's going to be called every time this happens? I'm willing to bet it won't. The same thing will happen in a different game but the call by the referee will be different.
Pretty amazing shout out to Kees meews there thats amazing that he did that especially to an opponent. Prop can be very very dangerous and looking out for each other in moments like that is massive. We all want to beat each other but no player wants to see another player end up in a wheelchair or dead.
It surprises me that South African fans use up their limited electricity by trolling every video that doesn't worship the Springboks.
Many of us in NZ and Aus to remind you 🏆🏆🏆🏆 and do the work 😜
Yes the Reigning penalty kick World Champions 👍🏻
Saffas expect every channel throughout the world to praise them and respect them. They need to do doco and call it “Chasing Respect”
It’s just a joke that they can’t even win with humility. They win with arrogance and whining
@@eugeneduplessis140 NZ and Aus have greener pastures though, and thats why you're there 😂
@@eugeneduplessis140 go back to Holland please
Do yourself a favour and watch the try at normal speed (25fps), not at 400 or was it 500fps super slow-mo which completely distorts and bends reality. Well done to the TMO which evidently saw through this. Sure, slow-mo technology is great for certain decisions like a foot in touch, but is often not the case for motion and movement decisions.
In laymen terms the coverage shows the try at normal speed from behind where you can't see the ball being grounded then for some reason they don't show the close up angle of the try at normal speed only in slow-mo, so the motion we are watching is slowed down by about twenty times and only then can we just make out a split second separation of hand and ball, but speed it up to normal speed and the time zone we play the game and you do not see anything wrong with it being a try. I don't blame Marshy for is reaction and thoughts, but he needs to understand it's the slow-mo which is misleading him....
A lot of boks fans in here complaining about winning.
We also win in that regard ... Unfortunately 😂😅
Cant believe they crying about a try or not try!! They were ahead 10 points with 15 to go- you just cry babies! Said to hear AB moaning about a ref¡¡¡
It’s more shameful that Saffas flood every NZ channel to gloat or belittle. Saffas believe NZ can never analyse a game and that we must all just give praise to SA. Get a life ffs
The SA fans never moan 😂
Lads ..... watch in super slowmo .... a try.... love all you guys .
PS ..... Canes tackle on Kolsi
AB's first try .... ???
Selective memory
Springbok fans go to every podcast hoping for praise lol if facts are spoken that are not in their favour they cry like little babies
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We fill our cups with tears of joy 🏆🏆🏆🏆
@@eugeneduplessis140 No you don't because you haven't won jack shit. The Springboks team did, not you.
They're very upset!
Because we are arguing your factually wrong statements according to the laws and not supporting your whinging, so you get upset?
As a Springbok supporter, we definitely need more consistency from refs. We have the TMO and then we don’t use it🤷🏻♀️ No matter how inconvenient. If the ref doesn’t pick up a serious infraction then the TMO comes into play.
I’m tired of them. I wish they were only able to be utilised to confirm or deny a score. I’m happy to accept the reduced accuracy by utilising the 3 on field umpires during open play.
The abs starting 15 I think are marginally better but the springboks second team is miles better at this stage and that ain’t gonna change this weekend. The abs need more time and to be fair I actually think we just don’t have enough good players anymore. The running rugby style of play just doesn’t work with the modern rules and we don’t seem willing to change.
Great analysis boys! The ABCs were close. Need to close out the last 15 better. I don’t think the mist try had any bearing on it.
Love Marshy's balanced view of the game but JP's one sided monologue in favour of the ABs is tiring. The Cane high shot, Mackenzie over the shot clock, the double banking on the first AB try. Did he see none of those? Brace is human and made mistakes both ways. Excellent game that flowed rather than the frustrating stop start of recent games. Best game I've seen in years.
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“…do you still know what it looks like?” Haha.
21:20 the least penalised man in world rugby... Ritchie... 😂😂 Well played... Those soft brown eyes looking at the ref.
Anyone who still says Bongi's try was not a try must go ask for a refund whoever taught them rugby and go read 11B of the rules
The ball behind JP is haunting my OCD!!
Crazy amout of Salty South Africans in here, you guys won, great fight back, ABs lost it in the last 15 with so many errors.
Enjoy the win boys, suprising that some are defending any or all of the bad calls which affected both sides.
The Mayday story is crazy.
"Being on the wrong side of the ref" seems to be a recurring thing for SA opposition for the las couple of years at least...
By the way did you know how much it means for their people?
Stop listening,your the best mate your the best,always hard done by.😂😂😂
What about Koroibete high tackle to Kremer... If were Lavaninni they send him to jail... Or the tackle in the air to Carreras.... What pisses me off is that refs call inmediatly scrum penalties were 2 props push on angle, 1 is full extended and the other crowilng but they can't get the obvious ones
Refs somehow missed Sam Cane caving Kolisi's cheek in AGAIN. Sam's a slow learner isn't he? Or is he an AB hitman and Kolisi was targeted like Frizell did to Bongi in the RWC.
On behalf of the more intelligent South African rugby supporters i agree with you on Bongi's try and what was said about SuperSports multiple slow motion replays when it comes to the opposition. The ones crying on here about double banking just can't acknowledge that the TMO and ref made a mistake regarding Bong''s try.
Stop simping for the AB's
Hilarious hearing Justin Marshall complain about how the local Saffa broadcast staff will replay actions that benefit their team when the Kiwi broadcasters do exactly the same thing. That said, the Saffas are atrocious at it
And the same with Aussie media. I was at the Brisbane game, and you wouldn't even know they were playing SA.
@@Dee-Dee-y2k ha whatever, lang park looked more like Bloemfontein than Brisbane with the Partisan Bokke crowd. It’s not Australia’s fault both NZ and SA are horrible places to live
@@pokinachaNZ is certainly not a horrible place to live. That’s a bit far fetched. Calm down.
9's also need to be modest 😂
Take away Bongi's 5 point try and take away Mckenzie's 2 point conversion kick (went over the time limit) final score = SA 26 NZ 25
Carrying on as if 5points cost them the game. As long as there was time on the clock SA would die trying to win. NZ played well for 60min. Unfortunately when you're playing people who have more to play for than a cup, you have got to go the full 80.
You are all missing a few key mistakes here. Quick to judge the Bongi try.
First all black try should have been a springbok penalty.
One Dmac kick was well over the shot clock.
Fassi yellow card was in open play
Cane should have received another red card for breaking Siyas jaw. So if we want to talk about games swingers there were way more for the All blacks
Tu'ungafasi yellow was for changing bind, not in the side.
He didn't change bind though he became detached then came back around and through the middle
@@otagogold2236 Bind change was after he came through the middle. Found himself on the SA side and then pivoted and came over the back of the ball carrier. Not trying to litigate this here, but ref clearly says the penalty was for the changing of bind. Would encourage to look at it again and judge for yourself.
Both Taylor and Bongi tries should have been wiped off the board.
NZ came off better with a net gain of 2 points because Sacha missed the conversion.
Ref styles are different and as pro's the players must learn to adjust accordingly.
Can the influence of the TMO be minimized? Of course it's uber frustrating, but the calls will never be perfect.
It was a great game, an 80 minute challenge and thats whatvwe want as fans.
Boks were also on the wrong end of the first NZ try and the missed Sam Cane red card.
Fresh take 😂