Except he is not even close to understanding Buddhism at all. Buddhism is not the 'blowing out of the candle of desire' like he claimed. This suppression of desire is in fact the Christian concept, not the Buddhist one. Buddhists unambiguously welcome the experience of desire (or any other emotion) whenever it arises. The difference is that, unlike Christianity, Buddhist practice leads to not being automatically driven to either satisfy or expel it.
@@canwelook how does that clarification push the discourse forward. His primary premise is that the Christian view is that there are higher desires worthy of being paid attention to.
@@canwelook The Tathagata explained Nirvana by blowing out a candle. I'm not saying he's exactly right, only that he has a much better understanding than most other Christian clergy
@@canwelook This would be great if destructive desires did not exist. For example, a person desires to see human blood flowing. I guess you could argue that he should be a surgeon. But still I would not have a surgery with a doctor that loves to see blood flowing!
As a Buddhist I would like to add that there is a lot of emphasis on compassion in the Mahayana tradition. And compassion is seen from a Buddhist point of view as the desire to alleviate the suffering of other sentient beings. In this tradition, then, the problem is not so much the desire itself but more the way in which it is directed. Ego-centered desires lead to a lot of dissatisfaction and suffering - not only for ourselves. It is said that ultimate enlightenment is impossible without infinite compassion and wisdom.
"Infinite", meaning from heaven? Whether to or from heaven, this points to purity, or Holiness God made it so He cannot be known through human wisdom itself..... in and of itself. It is the wisdom from heaven that allows our mind to enlighten. For our minds to reach that state is quite a path . For Catholics, the Rosary is the powerful, most powerful, tool. Along with the Blessed Sacrament/Eucharist, conversion and purification of the heart progresses. The Rosary came directly from heaven, to Saint Dominic. Our soul's safety, and reparation to the world for the sins committed against God, Jesus and Mary's Immaculate Heart can be known through the 1917 and beyond messages of Fatima, Portugal.
Nirvana is a "self actualization" there is no God in the process of getting there nor as a final goal. I found God through finally acknowledging that my efforts to get myself there was in vain. I surrendered to what Jesus had done for me on the cross after being a good Buddhist for the first 20 years of my life. Now 39 years later, that was the best decision of my life, no turning back.
Wonderful testimony. Don’t be afraid to share it with people. I was a new ager / occultist before I came to Jesus Christ ( : God Bless you and praise be His holy name
Best and most important comment Ive seen here. Broud is the path to destruction and narrow is the path to life and few find it. Jesus is that narrow gate . Seek him while he can be found.
Let’s go!!!! I came across your comment, that is the truth! So then our response back becasue of what Christ did for us is to desire to care and desire to love God and desire to respond with love to your enemies where everything does matter.
Correction: Buddhism doesn't aim to stop/cease ones "desires", instead Buddhism aims to stop/cease "selfish desires" (example: greed) and replace them by "selfless desires" (example: living a life that contribute to the benefit others). The "selfless desire" to teach Buddhist teachings to help cease suffering for all life forms (especially humans) is an important aspect of Buddhism. Some people misinterpret original Buddhism and engage in extreme asceticism and non-desire of all kinds. The original Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama) after attaining Awakening (Enlightenment) returned from asceticism and started teaching Buddhism to everyone until dying from old age (and food poisoning). The selfless desire to teach others and help them in attaining Awakening was a very important aspect of the Buddha's life.
That’s interesting…specifically, how does the Buddhist go about “selflessly ending the suffering for all life forms”? Also, why the need to end all suffering - aren’t there benefits to certain types of suffering?
@@lorenzmarquez8651 That's a good question, according to Buddhism ,the end of suffering happens when a person achieves "awakening or enlightenment", where the idea of their individual "self" disappears, and so a Buddhist realises that all life forms and everything are inseparable and that the "self" was just a mind construct, once this happens selfish desires disappear (such as greed as an example). And selfless desires (such as compassion to all life forms) starts to develop and become an important part of the Buddhist's life. The end of suffering part is more related to ignorant selfish forms of suffering. And yes, some forms of suffering will lead to growth and direct Buddhists towards the path of enlightenment.
No. What you say is westernized (to be precise, Christianized) Buddhism. The fundamental belief of Buddhism is Anaathmavaadhaa , which literally means "soullessness". i.e. we are not (or we don't have) a soul, or a self, or a person. It's a belief in the nonexistence of personhood. We are delusional when we think we are a person. Buddhism claims that what binds us to this illusion is desire. Cessation of desire is therefore advised in order to come out of the illusion that we are a self or a person. For Buddhism to recognize the categories like selfishness and selflessness is to acknowledge not only that we ARE a self, but also that other "selves" too exist with respect to which we can be selfish or selfless. And to a Theravaadha Buddhist (the original sect) it would be unthinkable.
"Blessed are those that mourn" requires us to detach ourselves from our desires that are not according to God's plan, so I think there's room to recognize the Buddhist attempt to detach from desire as making spiritual room for God.
Yes. One would have to read hundreds of interpretations of Buddhism/Zen/Hinduism etc to get a good sense of the ideas BUT there is nothing that says that desire is in itself a bad thing. The Buddha wanted to teach his ideas, did he DESIRE to teach them? He travelled around and debated others, did he DESIRE to do so? If not, why did he do it? Even if you desire not to desire that is desire. It's more of realizing you desire it, accept it, move on or go for it but don't make your happiness or life purpose bound to it.
not desire but attachment to desire, that basically means desire...you remove the attachment you remove the desire. unless you meant "disordered attachment to desire" which would beg the question, what is ordered desire in buddhism?
@bossunlimited Conflating desire and attachment to desire is the exact error being made by Bishop Robert Barron here. He has no understanding of Buddhism. Desire is the emotion. Attachment relates to the auto response to the emotion. Two VERY different things.
Just like Huineng, the sixth ancestor of Chan buddhism has said in his well-know poem: "Fundamentally there is no Bodhi-tree， Nor stand of a mirror bright， Since all is void from the beginning， Where can the dust alight？" 菩提本无树，明镜亦非台。 本来无一物，何处惹尘埃？
@@alisterrebelo9013 In the analogy, the candle is the self, with the flame being the desires that arise within that self. Buddhism teaches that there is no self. What exists is a collection of physical and mental states, which, through the human mind's ability to remember, forms the illusion of an identity that persists. This is the so-called 'no self' doctrine of Buddhism. The technical term for it is Shunyata, meaning emptiness/hollowness
@@georgepantzikis7988 Using what you just said to me, if the candle is the self and the self does not exist, then one conclusion is that candle does not exist. Is that a fair conclusion?
@@meusisto Craving implies a strong feeling of attachment, whereas desire doesn't. I have a desire to drink water but I don't have an intense attachment to that desire. The Buddhists are all about extinguishing craving, which is an intense, attached form of desire.
@@hagen4264 I will try to explain simple as possible (because it is simple explanation it will be very lacking sorry) for example you had Ferrari and you liked and loved that car that is okay you can like car but it broke and you cant fix it but you keep trying to fix it and keep trying to store keep it in your life that is attachment to desire letting go something you cant have anymore or cant have it ever
I accept your definition and contrast that with how Jesus defines love. Jesus teaches us that love is defined as the intense attachment for the benefit of our friends over ourselves. John 15:12-13 12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 *Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.*
Great reply. Boundaries are there but a wiser approach is required. Can you spot the demarkation points or lines? Bishop shows the way. Thomas Merton has been there in Sri Lanka, India and beyond to study Buddhism.
@@georginatalamo2451 Interesting but what you mean by "Merton strayed"? He was already an established Monk - tried and test Jesus Christ's ways. He was given a sabbatical to go and study Buddhism. He did. Seethe book Merton & Buddhism - Wisdom, Emptiness & Everyday Mind - ed by Bonnie Bowman Thurston (2007). It says on page 23: 'Buddhism provided models whereby Christians..,... could learn the interiority of Christ Who, throughout the gospels, withdraws ... to pray, to "commune with his own heart and be still". More pointedly, Buddhism provided a corrective to the intellectual dualism engendered by Cartesian thought. (Merton thought we all suffered from trying to travel the spiritual path in a broken Descartes!)'.
Another great different is that in budhism you reach nirvana "in yourself" (please correct me If i'm wrong) and Christians in submitting ourselves to the will of God. One can't find peace within oneself without Christ, because the source of our likeness is Christ
It feels to me that a Christian parallel to Nirvana would be when being filled with the Holy Spirit. I suppose this would coincide with submitting to the will of God from but from the perspective of desire for God, instead of desire to attain a god realm, as in Buddhism.
God is within oneself. And christ is a state of being like a buddha. Christ or Buddha are not names of people. These are just different names to mean one thing: absolute awareness. Ordinary people are confused and attached to names. Whether you call it buddha or christ, God or Dharma, it's the same thing.
@Shield of Faith jesus is a king in the same sense all other buddhas and christs are kings. A king is someone who has renounced everything of the world. When a man has Truth within oneself, he's the enperor of everything, even if outwardly he's a beggar or lives a simple life. You don't even understand GOD! Do you think it is some bearded dude up in the sky and jesus was his literal son? How stupid one has to be to believe in that stuff? You don't even read your own holy text! Jesus himself said "if you look for heaven in the sky, the birds will precede you. If you look for it in the depths of ocean, then the fish will precede you. Therefore, Look for the kingdom within you". And when he says "I'm the way", he didn't mean he's the ONLY way. Christians made it so, so that they can sell their religion while downplaying other religions. Just like any other corporation wants to eliminate competition, like they want to be the ONLY player, the church too wanted to be the only religion. So they made jesus THE way. But jesus is just one way. Anyone, by realizing the divinity within, can become a way for others. Thomas merton, Joel goldsmith, these people can become ways. Because they realized. What you just said is a belief. It is not even coming from your own personal intellectual understanding. Your reply sounds like one of those replies you get from customer service when you report a bug in the game! The least you can do is to talk like a normal human!
@Shield of Faith and as for buddha being in the grave, well, first off he has been cremated, so his body is gone. But you kept the poor fellow jesus still hanging for 2000 years!
@Shield of Faith again you're merely repeating your beliefs. Everything you have been tought, you've memorized, you're simply repeating those words. As if this is am exam and you need to pass it! Everything you said, i know all of it. I've read plenty of Christian mysticism, and my favorite is Margaret Porrete. Whom the traditional literalist like yourself burned to death. But she was the one who inspired me to read christianity. Otherwise, i found it boring and useless. And as i said in my first comment, god, truth etc are all the same thing. Buddha called it the truth, because it's easier to understand. But he talked of the SAME REALITY. Buddhists do not believe in literal existence of a deity. And as fir god, there are many other terms. This is why i said literalists are obsessed with names. So you can try to sell your religion elsewhere, by saying yours is the ONLY way, and all others are fake/inferior. The only good part in your massive "auto-generated" reply, is the part where you asked what is the truth, and what's the origin of it. Truth cannot be known directly through a belief. We can only know the untruth, and remove those. Then the Truth will be left behind. Truth has no origin or end. It was always there. All things come from ir and wo return to it. As meister eckhart said "God's ground and my ground are one ground." Here ground means "essence ". We both have the same essence, and in that sense, we ALL address children of god, not just jesus. He simply realized it and thus BECAME a christ. Gautama BECAME buddha by realizing the same truth.
The desire that is mentioned in Buddhist language has more of a connotation with craving, attachment. Like grabbing on to an object without intending to let it go. This creates a distorted view because then you're not able to see how things are. A theist cannot see his or her life without God, but if you do let go of God. Does God stop existing?
God is there regardless. Sometimes our perception of other people can be distorted, also our relationship with other people can be distorted/toxic. We can have unhealthy attachments with other people. And we can have good relationships with other people. Similarly with God.
"A theist cannot see his or her life without God" This is because, nothing can be known or understood in the darkness that we are born into. Without God who is light Himself dispelling the darkness, God the very source of Truth, guiding us, we would be blind leading the blind. Buddhism claims that Buddha somehow discovers a way out of this darkness by focusing inwards. Unless he is divine, peering inwards without the light of God, is an abyss of darkness.
@@IvanGarcia-cx5jm thanks, it's him I think and Cludi Castillo Mysterios is probably some term he used, I didn't find it. Cludi Castillo mysterios means sth like the mysteries of closed castle from what I checked
The 4 noble truth adress Tanha as the source of Dukkha (Suffering, Stress, Dis-ease, Disatisfaction). But Desire is not a 100 percent accurate translation of Tanha i feel. Tanha is a kind of craving, unquenchable thrist, a (errant) desire. Sometimes symbolized as Fire, since fire burns on the more fuel you add to it. Never satisfied. Thats why Nirvanna is symbolized as the blowing out of a lid candle. This is the kind if Desire, Buddhist practice aims to adress. There is a kind of a noble kind of desire. And as such i think Bishop Baron just confirmed that there is indeed common ground between Christianity and Buddhism.
I admire and love the dear Bishop, but I want to highlight the part of his response that he did not elaborate on. I accept your definition of Tanha and contrast that with how Jesus defines love. Jesus teaches us that love is defined as the intense attachment for the benefit of our friends over ourselves. The intensity so high, that one would be able to lay down their very own life, against a 'human' sense for self-preservation. John 15:12-13 12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 *Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.*
@@alisterrebelo9013In Buddhism, there is no “self”. So, for whom are you laying down “your” life, and who is doing the laying down? In Buddhism all life is precious, including “yours”. And let us not forget that the same man who called laying down your life to be a great good, also said that we should hate our own lives, and hate family, father, mother, and children. In other words, lay down your life first for god and NOT your friends. These kinds of contradictions are what make your scriptures, for me, untenable.
'The principles of earthly desires are enlightenment and the sufferings of birth and death are nirvana," -Nichiren Buddhism. He just mentioned provisional teachings not the essential teaching of Buddhism.
So could one say that St. Paul reached Nirvana (and beyond if that's thinkable) when he says: "it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me." (Gal 2,20) ?
With respect, this is simplistic beyond helpfulness. There is a much more essential philosophical division between the two than simply how to handle desire. Christianity is fundamentally concerned with how to save the self. Buddhism's conception is that salvation lies in realizing there is no self to save.
Buddhism's way of enlightenment to Heaven is like an arrogant man trying to prove himself he can do all things possible, even to the point of having capability to eliminate all human faults and failures (e.g. any desire). Whereas from Catholic faith, we humble ourselves, knowing that we humans cannot do anything without the help of the higher power, from the Holy One, God Himself, to be able to enter the Heaven's gate. Just that itself from my perspective and as in logical sense has already proved to me that only Jesus Christ, our Lord and God can save us from all damnation. God bless!🙏
Here's what the difference is: snuffing out desire means you will not act rightfully when the time comes, and you're teaching not to be passionate about doing what's right. If you have the desire to see and do what is right, you will negate wrongs in the world. This is why liberty reigned here in the United States so much in the first 100 years or so. Nowadays, people have lost their way and we see more non-religious or passive religions. So the active people (govt aka evil) will get their way.
Bishop Baron is not a Buddhist, so he can be forgiven for know knowing what he doesn't know. Still, he must know he doesn't know everything, and so should preface his comments by indicating that his views are his own. In any case, Buddhism fully acknowledges the benefit of desire (i.e., the desire to end the cycle of suffering) insofar as it may motivates one to engage with the eight-fold noble path. Ultimately, however, at least in a Mahayana context, desire is transformed into wisdom.
I agree that he should have placed that caveat. In Christianity the ultimate reward is not in eliminating suffering. Christians learn to deal with suffering, but it is not the ultimate goal/reward. The biggest reward is being with God, being able to love unconditionally God and neighbor. The pure agape (not eros) is in the top of the Christian goal. Suffering is seen as unavoidable, and Christians want to learn to deal with suffering with patience, courage and use it for good (e.g., increase empathy, and perhaps detach from things that separate us from God).
Try this. When you ask where is the desire coming from, you mind will not find it anywhere. Buddhism does not tell you to eliminate any thing. It helps you to see there is no self on anything. "to awaken a purified higher desire" is just an opinion like any other ones. Everything including your thought in this moment is just a cause to combine with other causes for the next thing or things to happen. The only thing always with you unchanged is your awareness without any opinion. Once an opinion appears and you are not aware about it, you are back to normal cycle of cause and effect. Interesting? With your awareness without opinion you are not living like vegie, but no stress and more.
the apostle paul explains it well, the law of the flesh or the spiritual law, if you live according to the flesh, your works including your desires are vain, you see the world in gray, at your convenience, if you live by the spiritual law your desires They will be correct, since you will not desire the things of the flesh, in other words there is nothing wrong with desire, but what we desire itself .....
I am an ex-Theravada Buddhist, ex-Dogen Zen Buddhist and ex-New-Age. I was Buddhist for 23 years and now I have been Christian 19 years currently continuously but Christian 26 years in total. I am happy being a Christian but I wasn't when I first started my Christian journey. Manashantii The Christian
I am rather shocked that you were failed by TWO schools of Buddhism in ONE lifetime. Under whom did you study, and for how many years? “New Age” is not a school of Buddhism, by the way.
@wordscapes5690 I read books and went to over 100 retreats in Buddhist monasteries. I also read about 600 books ; I was Buddhist for 23 years. I was New Age for 4 years. At the end of my Buddhist experience I was thinking of becoming a Buddhist Nun. Jesus saved my life I have love and assured peace in Christ. I wish you peace. God bless you. Manashantii The Christian
@@ManashantiiTheChristian I am sorry, but “going to retreats” does not make you a Buddhist. Did you study any Pali? Which Theravada school? Did you take your five or eight precepts? What lineage? And did you abandon the Theravada for the Mahayana or vice versa? And why? You sound very confused. And going on retreats? Is this a holiday? Meditation is what you do AFTER you have mastered your precepts. It is not something that is engaged in at the beginning. This sounds like western woo, not Buddhism. I am delighted your Jesus rescued you from it. And I am doubly delighted you did not “become a nun”. And again “New Age” is not Buddhism. It sounds like a western thing like Scientology or Mormonism. Moreover, you say you were Christian for 19 years, then, 26 years. Then you say you were “New Age” for four years. Then you say you were Buddhist for 23 years. It is all very vague and confusing. This means you must either be extremely old, or that you began your Buddhist journey when you were a child. Forgive me, but I find your story very hard to believe. Look to your SECOND precept. You should have mastered it. Bhante the Buddhist.
I read the Tripitaka in English. And I meditated after reading. I also was taught by monks in different communities. I shouldn't have to prove to you my experience. You have a right to your opinion. God bless you. Manashantii The Christian
@@ManashantiiTheChristian Sorry, I just do not believe you, and I regard your flippancy regarding the ancient faith tradition of my country to be disturbing. My religion is not a “retreat”, nor is it a “New Age” psychological fix for bored westerners. You talk about changing Buddhist traditions as if it were underwear that didn’t quite fit. I find you deeply offensive, deeply dishonest, and deeply mistaken. PS, the Tipitaka is one amongst THOUSANDS of texts. And if you studied Zen, even MORE. I find it odd that after two decades, this is all you read, and that only in English… after so long. You would have been a terrible bhikkhuni. Thank you for returning to your religion. You clearly belong there. Namo Buddhaya.
Less is more. Less inferior individualism naturally results in gradual more connectedness with the superior (in quality and quantity) and its/our Creator (God, who is the Dharmakaya source of all phenomena) together.
Desire means "of the Father". All desires are Creator-given...but...it's when those normal natural desires deviate, become perverted, when they rule over us instead of us ruling over our desires, that desire can be a concern... When desire becomes lust it is desire debased, and the humans engaging in lust (of any kind) are debased. Sex is marvelous! Food fabulous! Education is grand! Money is advantageous...but, ultimately, do we rule over our desires, or do they rule over us? I think Buddha was a marvelous Truth Seeker doing the best he could with what truth he was given and I expect to see him in Heaven...but, he wasn't God, nor did he say he was God. Jesus is God, not Buddha. Buddhists, if they know about Jesus, but, refuse to turn from inherited or cultural beliefs and traditions, well, I'm not so sure I'll see them in heaven... The two Witnesses in Revelations are the Knowledge of God and the Spirit of God...not all have the privilege of reading or hearing God's knowledge found in the Holy Bible, but, every soul's conscience can hear the Holy Spirit...and the Spirit shall lead some, who haven't even heard of Jesus, into the Way Everlasting.
That’s not correct. Buddhism doesn’t seek to put out desire. The obvious example being the desire for enlightenment! The desire to develop loving kindness, equanimity, compassion and happiness in the joy of others. Buddhism seeks to reduce and remove grasping & neurotic craving (ie craving things that cannot lead to happiness etc. for example addicted to watching UA-cam videos!); also to reduce and remove pushing away/aversion/hatred; and to develop wisdom rather than ignorance.
People still mix up worldly desire with virtuous desire. Bodhisatvas are enlightened beings that DESIRE the liberation of beings from the samsara. It is very wrong to say that the goal of budhism is to stop desire in general.
Oh I wish more Buddhists were to read the works of St. John of the Cross - especially the 'Ascent of Mount Carmel' and maybe - if it is not too intense - the 'Living Flame of Love' !
Per my studies..... Catholicism is founded on Natural Law, thus more aligned with Chemistry and Physics.....as is Taoism. It also believes in Heaven, vs Buddhism in heavenly "realms", in which even the Buddhist Gods do not experience immortality.
I'm a Christian and although I appreciate the explanation, there is some lack in the understanding of Buddhism in my humble opinion. The 4 noble truths are definitely in agreement with the Christian Scriptures. But the task of inquiry and discovery lies solely on the student, Read, Learn, and Discern. In other words, "don't take my word for it, investigate for your self". You will most likely find that WE are all pilgrims on a journey.
christianity is in fact an extremely high level of teaching, beyond buddhism.. notice that u dont need to fight against your false self to achieve the truth, only need (as in all oriental traditions) believe in the master (faith in the guru ) and in that way if you really do it with love and faith your false sense of identity will fall apart and your true nature will shine by it self... passing from the person to the presence... nirvana is the kingdom... many man have left in theirs human incarnated lives, clues, wisdom and paths... the problem is not them and their totally different languages (pretty obvious, cos different body-mind), is you, and all the mental believes, or mental constructs.... if you love, really love, your mind process calm down and you get instantaneously attain peace.. but is more tan peace... is the true knowledge of reality that will make free and free of fear to live spontaneously and also happy.... believe in the great master Jesus is a great achieve in life, but if you dont, please search for another path and contribute with love and compassion for those who live in ignorance and less light in their lives (literally). even your neighbor could be your master, or your father, any one can awake u, but only if u open your ears, eyes, mind, heart..... that cloud, the bird, the tree could awaken you right now, the all creation is the way is the answer, the path... no one and nothing is your enemy, your believe in that is it.
Jesus said, "You have one Master -- ME." If you claim this reference to himself is the Buddhist concept of self, then you are a Satanist. I know because I spent years attempting to unify these two religions. The result was that God dropped me into hell one night, an experience I will never forget. Turn to Jesus the Son of God and serve him and him alone. All other paths will lead to eternal separation from God. You have been warned.
@@PETERJOHN101 If there is no God or eternal life, who really cares. Let's satisfy any wicked desire. Augustine quote a phrase of Epicure "let's eat and drink because tomorrow we will die". If there is a unique a unmoved mover who is a center of consciousness the unique solution to a religion is a logical conclusion.
@@PETERJOHN101 Wow. Thank you for saying this. I too had thoughts of this type of unification. I realized it is impossible. And if it were to occur, It could only be so through conversion of heart. And this conversion of heart, to believe in Jesus Christ, leaving would be God's work.
Desire is Love corrupted. If love is about giving, then desire is about taking/demanding. For God so loved.... He gave. His only begotten son. I agree with Buddhism's struggle to snuff out desire. I just don't think Buddhism emphasized Love as much as I think it should.
What this gentleman missed about Buddhism never said kill all desires. It states seek a mid path. Give up bad thoughts, deeds and desires. Earn with good work. Speak truth ;not harsh words. Kindness and compassion. Loving kindness. Most importantly gratitude and respect for nature. Bhagavat Gita teaches that ultimately all god great and small will end up in the universe “god”. That “god” has no beginning or ending. It is the time that brings changes to everything and end to everything. Jesus taught very similar philosophy. He never taught to kill or force people to follow his orders. He never even had a religion. Rest of the “christian” history you know well. Flollow Jesus teachings.
Buddha (a remarkable, but just a man) taught to avoid and evade pain by suppressing desire, and he died by eating a pork meat plate; Christ (God the Son) taught to embrace pain and trouble if it is for Love, and he died for us nailed to the Cross.
@Santha It is perfect and was written from the start. The Christ came down and served us in order for people to see what love, mercy and Grace is. For He died on the cross because of man but yet He still love us all to this day. He being God showed us sinners who He is and an example of Divine Mercy,love and Grace of God. He is our light in life. Pax Cristi✝️🌹
@Santha There is. Since the start of Humanity until the end. Since the Garden of Eden to the End. Yet, Christ Crucified is the definition and conclusion of what's the Truth, the one that will stay until the end of Ages. He came as King and conquered the World in all of this, He conquered through corruption, on that cross humanities corruption was on His body. At the end, in the cross Christ said "I am finished". Christ Crucified but was resurrect. And will return to judge the Living and the Dead, and His kingdom and has no end.✝️🌹
If you have faith in Jesus Christ, well and good. If you have to compare Jesus Christ, rating him higher than other teachers of humanity, then perhaps your faith ain't as strong as you think it is.
Philippians 2:6-8 teaches us to empty as Jesuus was empty. Long before St. Paul spoke these famous words, Buddha was already teaching these things. Jesus, unlike the rest of us was born empty since he was an avatar of the logos. A person that is empty of tanha (destructive desire) or what the Jews call yetzer hara. Jesus was born in a complete and total state of unity of faith and gnosis, but until we reach that state, we are not complete human being. "until we all reach unity in the faith (shraddha) and in the knowledge (gnosis / rigpa) of the Son of God (luminous mind) and become complete (teleion / perfect), attaining to the whole measure of the fullness (siddhi /pleroma) of Christ." Ephesians 4:13 He was the only person born (begotten) a Son of God. Even Siddartha had to put in effort to attain kenosis, Jesus was born that way. Emptiness (kenosis) provides room to be filled with the light of Christ (clear light). A person cannot attain kenosis through good deeds unfortunatly. Good deeds are necessary part of God's plan to correct the world, but they do not directly result in sonship. Kesnosis is is the result of a process of self surrender we call meditation. Surrender is another word for faith. Meditation is a tool for the cultivation of faith. Through meditation, we can attain theoria (vision / darshan) of the uncreated light of Christ. The result of theoria is pleroma.
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Buddha never resurrection himself or anyome else. Jesus resurrected himself. I do coincidentally do follow some Buddhist principals. Im a minimalist. Im a devout Catholic. Jesus started Catholic church. I joined….what will you do?
This is the buddha said be yourself and mindfulness when you understand for something. Different person with different result you get. Your understanding lead to your action. Action lead to your karma. Resulted god and bad came from your first thoughts.
This is easy. Buddism is based on the understanding that not understanding nor accepting the impermanence of life in this realm leads to suffering. Christianity tells you that you are guaranteed to live forever, and free of pain, suffering, or worry, if you agree to eat the flesh off a dead guy on a stick and drink a pint of his blood to wash it down now and then. The only slight catch is that you have to die first to find out if it's a hoax or not. Which it is.
Did you died and came back to verify? If not, then remove the last statement above ("Which it is"). In general the comment is very disrespectful and written in an arrogant tone. Usually arrogance gets in the way of truth.
Buddhism does not believe in a God. The fulfillment of “karma” accordingly happens without any one intelligent agent to direct it (somewhat akin to the existence of a complex universe without a Creator and sustainer).
I'm by no means a expert in Buddhism, but you are correct they don't believe in a personal deity, to me it's kind of akin to a new age belief like Mary Ann williamson in her book a return to love.
Christianity made me so miserable and depressed for more than 40 years of my life. I am so thankful to the Lord Bhudda for his immaculate dharma, the 4 noble truths and the 8 fold path. I am now happy in life. Blessings to all, I wish all people can also find an end to suffering
ugh… Buddhism is not about putting out desire. The Buddha distinguished between different types of desire. There are desires that lead to suffering and desires that lead to enlightenment. once again, westerners don’t understand Buddhism, and these comments saying he understood it are so ridiculous
@@IvanGarcia-cx5jm Buddhism is never about putting out desires. Anyone who's trying to put out their desires does not understand the impermanence of desires and self, neither does anyone who teaches to put out desires - meaning they are not learning or teaching buddhism. Not saying it's wrong, but it's not Buddism. Desires such as greed or lust, are to be observed and understood. Desires such as to learn, to be peaceful motivate people to become the better version of themselves. @sigalius Some westerns do understand Buddhism - I've seen many practicing 8fold paths and meditation following Buddhism teaching.
You are not called upon to abandon all desires. This is a huge misunderstanding. You are called upon to desire the wise, the good, and the beneficial. Once you have acquired these, there can be no more question of desire. One only desires those things which one does not possess. Your desire is therefore extinguished upon acquisition. When you desire that which is wise, there can be no more craving because the desired object is achieved.
Well actually this isn't what we did we did something somewhat similar. This is nicer because it treates the religions with more of a respect and less of a generalised mennigless while trying to give every equal meaning
A bit off-topic but...the definition of self is the problem. The personal self is an illusion within time and the three or more other dimensions of reality. That self is an illusion because time is a hard component (all time is completed) of the space-time continuum. Thus determinism without free will is a fact of nature; but within the flow of time we have the perception of free will. This perception within time allows us to choose pain or pleasure, right or wrong, and any form of religious flavor or not that suits us. The only true self is the one ever-existing continuum (a sort of super-monad for the religiously inclined). This time-space continuum (multiverse) has always existed (constantly rebirthing itself) and from it has come all forms. All the whims of men and religion reside within the fixed confines of this multiverse or ground of being as it were. This is the Father in the Trinity, father being a recent anthropomorphism of more ancient references.
This is a materialistic perspective. Assuming that all is matter and energy as in physics. Macro physics are predictable and deterministic and we can place formulas to them. But I never seen a successful formula being used to predict a human being's well, probably not even an animal. The problem with the materialistic view is that it first stop believing in God, and then goes on to stop believing that people are real.
Your entire write up in self-contradictory, and illogical. P1 - You silently presume your self is real and true. C1 - Your assert the self is an illusion. The implication is that your senses including your mind are an illusion. C2 - Based on your "Self" being an illusion, you assert that you understand the nature of reality. C3 - Number of claims of reality based on your illusory self and senses. You've got to reconcile your presumption P1 with your first claim C1, then amend C2, C3 etc.
He doesn’t understand what Buddhists mean by nirvana or desire. Nirvana more closely translates to breathe out or let go, not blow out. And desire to Buddhists is a clenching on to impermanent objects (people, items, things, places, experiences, etc) not so much an aspiration or duty. Otherwise why would the Buddha have taught for 50 years? Why even do anything if desire of any kind is the problem? How even do anything without a desire to do something? Buddhism translates horribly to English and western views on it are so flawed we’re seeing contrast where there is none. Buddhism and Christianity point to the same place, they just take different paths. It’s obvious when you actually listen to the gospels. “Know them by their fruits”. Buddhism has only produced goodness and peace. In fact it’s the only major world religion without major scandals and issues. Pretty clear what they’re doing achieves salvation and walking a righteous path.
I did not recognize my own religion. And those bits I did recognize were merely titles or single words. The explanations that followed them… good heavens! It was like looking at the Buddha through wax paper: you could see a vague silhouette that could be bat… or a space rocket. Most confused.
Imagination being God in man is stuff for natural minds that judge. Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”
It just caught my ear....."Awakening and directing desire appropriately" is also a "Taoist" concept. And isn't it so as a concept of life? When we wake up every morning.....?
Bishop Robert Barron means well, but if we are going to talk about spirituality, the question arises: where is Robert in his own spiritual development? Has he reached a spiritual awakening? If so, to what degree? Zen monks spend their entire lives in intense and strict ascetic practice to reach satori. I don't think we can say the same for Robert. Of what good is it to devote one's life to God without the spiritual awakening? Talking ABOUT God every Sunday is nothing more than a social gathering hence spiritual bypassing. Robert's knowledge about being a Christian has its place but he will tell you only what he knows and considering the way the world is now, we need more than just talk, we need a real transformation of the heart and mind. We need all religions to look into a mirror and have them realize that their respective God's do nothing to help make this a better world. On the contrary, it's often making things worse. Should the day Robert have a spiritual awakening that makes him realize the utter dehumanizing effects of our present political discourse, the greed in capitalism and the disregard of climate change from our inept politicians, then I'll listen to him. I mean, you will never hear Robert say what Dr. Fromm said decades ago about the often insane world we live in. Says he, *_"I have tried to show in a previous chapter that democracy cannot work in an alienated society, and that the way our democracy is organized contributes to the general process of alienation. If democracy means that the individual expresses his conviction and asserts his will, the premise is that he has a conviction, and that he has a will. The facts, however, are that the modern, alienated individual has opinions and prejudices but no convictions, has likes and dislikes, but no will. His opinions and prejudices, likes and dislikes, are manipulated in the same way as his taste is, by powerful propaganda machines-which might not be effective were he not already conditioned to such influences by advertising and by his whole alienated way of life. The average voter is poorly informed too. While he reads his newspaper regularly, the whole world is so alienated from him that nothing makes real sense or carries real meaning. He reads of billions of dollars being spent, of millions of people being killed; figures, abstractions, which are in no way interpreted in a concrete, meaningful picture of the world. The science fiction he reads is little different from the science news. Everything is unreal, unlimited, impersonal. Facts are so many lists of memory items, like puzzles in a game, not elements on which his life and that of his children depends"_* From his book "The Sane Society" If Bishop Robert was awake, if he had the spiritual perception to see the utter madness playing out in the world, he would be mad as hell about it. This reality would make its presence felt in all that he did and said. But no. The quote above is of no real concern to him as it would be to a common man on the street. There is too much talk about God and not much about transformation.
Bishop seems to have some understanding of Buddhism, which is wonderful and open-minded. However, I think the conversation can go further because what he said is not accurate. "The point of demarcation he mentions does not seem correct to me, I am not an expert but I have studied Buddhism for many years. Buddhists encourage people to keep the religion in which they were born (Catholicism, Islam, etc.) because converting could cause confusion. For the same reason, although Buddhists are open to interfaith conversation on common themes such as love, compassion, generosity, etc., there are certain Buddhist concepts that some teachers prefer not to discuss with non-Buddhists to avoid the risk of them developing confusion or even doubt in their own faith. Having said that, it may be better not to go any further in the conversation. Perhaps it is better just to focus on cultivating values and qualities that benefit oneself and others, whatever our & their beliefs and faiths.
The Christians 👌 solution to blowing out the candle of self seeking desire, the candle that serves our self interest was given by Jesus who said. Any man that seeks to follow after me he must deny himself "" take up his cross and follow me. .The Cross provides a place for the the old ( self ) man to be crucified so that it can now be of service to the other. The greatest way to fill the cup is to pour it out out on another.
@Santha sure Jesus refers to the son of man ( himself) who shall be betrayed by the chief priests and the scribes and be condemned to death. Death by what? Matthew 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge him and to CRUCIFY him and on the third day he shall rise again. To CRUCIFY : Latin word for death on a CROSS.
@Santha that is Jesus challenge to those who choose to follow after HIM, THEY must take up their cross ( in self denial ) and in humility for the sake of OTHERS and follow after him. Thanks for ignoring the VERSE you asked for and still end up learning anyway. God bless you immensely ✝️
If you say bad things about Christianity see how the Christians get judgemental and say bad stuff about you but if you do that to buddha the other would not do anything but just keep quiet cos they don't judge you and would not attack you. This is what speaks volume to me . Look from actions not through words.
I totally agree that actions are more important than words. Respect is very important, is a form of love (willing the good of the other, not eros). It is disappointing when Christians forget to respect others that differ in their views. Jesus himself said "love your enemies", or in this case, those who disagree with you. In Matthew 5:44 (part of the sermon of the mountain): "But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you". Christians forget sometimes the importance of loving others as yourself even on disagreement.
define help and good. what if the other person doesn't want the help you are offering. are you still good? what if even from the mere moment of expressing an act of unsolicited help causes the other person distress?
The Buddha never taught that desire was bad. This is a misunderstanding of the 4 noble truths. Westerners are forever misinterpreting it. Desire for that which is virtuous and good is encouraged. Desire for that which is destructive is considered a hindrance to your progress. That is why the beginning of the practice - before you even pick up a single sutta - is to take the 5 precepts. Nowhere is it taught that ALL desires are to be abandoned.
@@zenmodi2614objective reality and moral truths exist. A distress towards those things must be eliminated. Such as a h*roin addict hearing the truth that he needs to stop taking it
@@wordscapes5690okay what are good desires and how can Buddha substantiate them? He was just a guy who admitted himself that he isn’t an authority on salvation. If he is grasping at moral truths and righteousness it means that he grasping at a source of that moral truth. Meaning that even with this view Buddhism will inherently presuppose God unless good desire is subjective
@@sweetnerevar7030 Gods, THE God, whatever gods are relevant to you (I am not sure which) may very well exist. They may even provide you with this salvation you seek if you abide by the god’s principles, rules, precepts or dogmas. However, the Buddha did not offer you salvation. He did not offer you this “eternal life” you so hanker for. He states that eternal life is already your natural state. You cannot die. The body can die, the self (or brain construct) of the body can die, sure. You are by nature immortal. Buddhism deals with what you DO with your immortality. That is all. If you wish to believe in your particular god, go right ahead. If you do not, equally fine. But no god can absolve you from the repercussions of your actions. Responsibility cannot be shirked. You can be forgiven, sure, but responsibility? No. The consequences of your actions are yours alone to face. That is why, even when you call to your particular god, the invariable response is silence. Gods can provide solace, forgiveness, comfort… but they cannot shoulder your kamma. That is the opposite of justice. Absolution does not mean freedom from responsibility. Also, there is no point to the question “Who designed the moral code?” It is the way existence is. We call it Dhamma, you call it God’s Law. We just choose not to select a god from the VAST array on which we may blame Dhamma. You do. And that is fine. For us it is perfectly fine to say: “Dhamma is.” It is good enough for us that the Good exists. Finally, how do I know Buddhism to be a very true and virtuous path that is far superior to other paths?: you can evaluate the veracity of a doctrine by the way its clerics, its adherents, and its lay people treat each other and how they behave toward others, and the “other” in society, that is, the most hated and marginalized. You cannot judge a religion purely by its scriptures (they will always be flawed, contradictory, and filled with anachronisms). I shall leave it there.
We are called to battle Satan. To go out into the world and find him where he reigns and draw /lead Satans flock back to Christ. No hiding like cowards. Once these people are dead it's too late. Are you a soldier in Christs army or not?
Summary: Bishop - “good question. That would take a year to unpack. But a 90second answer points this way…” Commentator : “ the bishop doesn’t understand Buddhism and should say so..”. No winning this one.
Westerners do not like to discuss no-self, as it is very alien to them and is unique to Buddhism. They always think it means you are “nothing” or “no one”. I usually avoid the topic when asked to talk about Dhamma, and if I am asked, I try my best to change the subject. When I am forced to address it, i see my western audience going all cross-eyed. Or their ears hear the exact opposite of what my mouth is saying. It is very curious. 🤭
This is wrong, the difference is: We can't save ourselves. Creation of your "own" knowledge of Good and Evil can only lead to Evil because there's no Good without God. That moment, when Adam and Eve decided to create their own Good and Evil, the moment of Original Sin. The Sin that we all repeat: Pride and hypocrisy: Pretending that we're Good when we CAN'T be Good by ourselves. In order to preserve our Pride. And thus dying(separating eternally from God) in the process.
From "What the Buddha Taught" (1959/2006) by Walpola Rahula (page 41-42). Professor Walpola Rahula was a well known Buddhist monk. "Here it should be clearly and distinctly understood, without any confusion, that what is compared to a flame or a fire gone out is not Nirvana, but "being" composed of the Five Aggregates who realized Nirvana. This point has to be emphasized because many people, even some great scholars, have misunderstood and misinterpreted this similie as referring to Nirvana. Nivana is never compared to a fire or a lamp gone out." Bishop Robert Barron in the video: "Nirvana is the blowing out of the candle of desire". These two statements can't both be right. Who do you trust have the best knowledge of Buddhism? A Buddhist professor monk or a Christian Bishop?
He totally misunderstands the 4 noble truths. The Buddha does not ask you to abandon desire. You are called upon to desire that which is good and to abandon that which is destructive to the path. You are to abandon craving for that which causes clinging to this world. The very first thing to start practicing is the 5 precepts, which is an expression of your desire to be virtuous. They re like your western Ten Commandments, but only 5: no stealing, no lying, no substance abuse, no killing, no sexual misconduct. You have to DESIRE to abandon these. So the good Bishop TOTALLY misconstrues the idea of what should and should not be abandoned regarding desire.
Sir, your body language suggests that you may be speaking out of your depth, here. I think you may misunderstand Buddhism. Take a look at the 8-fold path.
Buddhism never (at least from the teachings that I've learned) claimed that feeling desire is bad and that you should destroy that feeling. It claims that every desire can lead to suffering if you're not able to let go of the desire. It merely teaches that clinging on to a desire will inevitably lead to suffering. For example a lot of Christians have this immense desire that their god is indeed real. But imagine if somehow this was proven wrong then they will have an immense suffering because this one very important desire of them can't be fulfilled. I'm not trying to prove that God does or does not exists, but I'm just trying to give an example where a Christian can maybe relate to, in order to explain what I'm trying to say. I'm also not saying that desiring the existence of a god is wrong but you can see where this can lead to... Buddhism teaches you in this scenario that you have to be able to let go of this desire if it ends up not being able to be fulfilled or else unnecessary suffering will be the consequence.
Training to erase your mind, to feel nothing, and to cling to nothing, seems to be an artificial death to your God given humanity and senses. A walking state of vegetabilism. God Christ, did not reject suffering - in fact, he accepted it as a "perfect sacrifice" to release us, from human sin - and give us humans a chance at heaven. Christ God, rejected the devil's offerings to relieve his "suffering" in the desert for 40 days. It had meaning. Suffering, brings forth liberation and salvation in life. Buddha, ran away from his wife and newborn, as a wealthy and pampered man, to learn to escape from his fear and obsession with suffering. That's ego and self interest. Not love.
In Buddhism, you are not asked to “erase your mind”. You are called upon to awaken it. You are not asked to “reject suffering”. You are taught to know what it is intimately, which is why it loses its sting. All life is precious, not only humanity. And finally, the Buddha’s wife became a nun, as did his son. He did not “abandon them”. Please do not step on the brightly glowing flames of others in order to make your little spark glow more brightly. Thank you.
@@wordscapes5690 Nonsense. He was a privileged man. Very much so. So, why did the wealthy prince buddha, leave his young wife and child? To show her that he loved her and the child? He imparted that suffering onto them with his abandonment. Sounds like a trust fund baby in modern times. It's simply a decent philosophy - but it is very passive one at that, and in the end your mind is that of blank page, utter avoidance of reality. There is a "blind" trust based on a human's philosophy and observances - and in death do we really become as clouds? Some buddhist traditions claim to communicate and "tame" demons.
@@wolfkingsigma2795 Why did your Jesus tell us to hate family, and mother, and father? You see, I can also take tales out of their teaching context and use them spitefully? Some Christian denominations oblate to statues. Some of them handle snakes. Some of them mumble nonsense words through microphones? Some of them heal for money. Some claim to chase out demons. Are you responsible for all the strange beliefs in your religion? And my religion is way, WAY older than yours. Do you not think we would have accumulated more strange mythology than that which appears in your very slim volume? Think on it.
@@wordscapes5690 I'm a catholic. We don't pray TO statues, they are merely focal points of prayer and nothing else. Christ, never told us to hate our family, etc. Christ, God, of the holy triune, taught us that the world is not ever going to give us fulfillment - but only living for God, and the goal of getting to where where we come from - with God - in heaven. We have a source, life is not empty avoidance - the world is flawed, put God first, and you live well and healthy.
@@wolfkingsigma2795 You missed my point. I was not accusing Catholics of worshipping statues, I was comparing how Christians talk about OUR spiritual ceremonies. I appear to have angered you, so I will leave it here, as that was not my intention.
In my 30 years of conversing with different Christian denominations and non-believers, for 98% of the times they use words they don't know the meaning of. To those of you who use the words "religion" and "Christianity", could you give the definition of those words? What is the central idea of religion and Christianity?
@Santha You also need countless books to become a proper theologian. It's a false dichotomy. Catholicism isn't anti science so I don't get what your point is. Charles Le Maitre proposed the big bang theory, Gregor Mendel is considered the father of genetics. Both were catholic priests.
To bad that Bishop Robert doesn't want to tell the truth or maybe he doesn't understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Buddhist teaching is there is no God-no entity who created everything, that everything is created and then distructed in never ending cycles by natural laws. The whole Bible is about God who created Heavens and Earth, God created us and humankind fallen into sin. Because of sin death came and everyone who is not saved will be judged for their sins in fron of God the Father and Jesus Christ-God in the flesh. Buddhist teaching is a path towards the liberation of suffering with 4 nobe truths, 8 fold path, dependent origination,... through meditation-the higest meditative state is no concentrantion empty state-beyond body and mind-there are no thoughts so the link of depended origination is cutted-there is no becoming nor ceasing, no liberation no suffering, no samsara, no Nirvana-heart sutra. The word of God says that suffering, sickness, death does not originate in the mind, but is coming from sin. And nobody can liberate themselves with any practice or morality-this is selfrighteousness, no one is righteouss before the most Holy God creator of everything and no one will be justified before God with any kind of practices, morality, concentration, empty mind, yoga,... Salvation is a gift of God to anyone who believes that Jesus Christ paid our sins on the cross and rose the 3rd day from the grave for our justification. Jesus was a perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world, because only Jesus Christ was sinless, everybody else ever born-ever will be born are in sin, all humans after Adam and Eve are in sin. So Jesus who never sined took upon our sins and took our judgment for our sins on the cross so that anyone who believes is forgiven by God and become a child of God, has eternal life in heaven, God will give us eternal body just like Jesus resurrected with eternal body, ate with his disciples and ascended to Heaven before them. When we believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ God seals us with his Holy Spirit until we go to Heaven. By one spirit we are baptised into the Body of Christ. And in Christ we are not sinners, but saints, we are not slaves to sin under power of Satan, but we are adopted into the familly of God. Jesus destroyed the works-curses of the devil on the cross. So that by faith we are set free forever. Buddhist tradition-philosophy is a deception from satan as any other way-doctrine to deceive people and not be saved from eternal damnation. That's why Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life and no on comes to the father then by me. There is no other truth, way apart from Jesus-who is the word of God and who is God. Everything was created through Jesus and for Jesus. It says that every knee shall bow before him and everyone will confess him as Lord to the glory of the Father. Buddha can't do any good to you, he couldn't save himself as no one can and he was used by Satan to deceive people. This is the good news, you can be saved today and have eternal life by the word of God.
I agree with many things you said, but it is important for us Christians to be respectful of others. Starting with Buddha and his early followers, and many of their followers today that grew up in an environment where Christianity is not present, or worse, in a Christian environment where people give terrible testimony without any good truly Christian examples around them. They are trying to do the best their can. If we are not respectful, although we might have good intentions, the effect could be the total opposite.
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This is the first Christian I've ever heard who actually articulates what Buddhism is and doesn't just say what he read in a wikipedia article.
Thank you. Try to join his Christian religion
Except he is not even close to understanding Buddhism at all. Buddhism is not the 'blowing out of the candle of desire' like he claimed. This suppression of desire is in fact the Christian concept, not the Buddhist one.
Buddhists unambiguously welcome the experience of desire (or any other emotion) whenever it arises. The difference is that, unlike Christianity, Buddhist practice leads to not
being automatically driven to either satisfy or expel it.
@@canwelook how does that clarification push the discourse forward. His primary premise is that the Christian view is that there are higher desires worthy of being paid attention to.
@@canwelook The Tathagata explained Nirvana by blowing out a candle. I'm not saying he's exactly right, only that he has a much better understanding than most other Christian clergy
@@canwelook This would be great if destructive desires did not exist. For example, a person desires to see human blood flowing. I guess you could argue that he should be a surgeon. But still I would not have a surgery with a doctor that loves to see blood flowing!
As a Buddhist I would like to add that there is a lot of emphasis on compassion in the Mahayana tradition.
And compassion is seen from a Buddhist point of view as the desire to alleviate the suffering of other sentient beings. In this tradition, then, the problem is not so much the desire itself but more the way in which it is directed. Ego-centered desires lead to a lot of dissatisfaction and suffering - not only for ourselves. It is said that ultimate enlightenment is impossible without infinite compassion and wisdom.
"Infinite", meaning from heaven?
Whether to or from heaven, this points to purity, or Holiness
God made it so He cannot be known through human wisdom itself..... in and of itself. It is the wisdom from heaven that allows our mind to enlighten.
For our minds to reach that state is quite a path .
For Catholics, the Rosary is the powerful, most powerful, tool. Along with the Blessed Sacrament/Eucharist, conversion and purification of the heart progresses.
The Rosary came directly from heaven, to Saint Dominic. Our soul's safety, and reparation to the world for the sins committed against God, Jesus and Mary's Immaculate Heart can be known through the 1917 and beyond messages of Fatima, Portugal.
As a Theravada Buddhist, there is also a lot of compassion and loving-kindness in our path.
@@Butterfly-if1qsHeaven is still in samsara in Buddhism.
Nobody can reach enlightenment
And does a buddhist believe in good and bad??
Nirvana is a "self actualization" there is no God in the process of getting there nor as a final goal. I found God through finally acknowledging that my efforts to get myself there was in vain. I surrendered to what Jesus had done for me on the cross after being a good Buddhist for the first 20 years of my life. Now 39 years later, that was the best decision of my life, no turning back.
Wonderful testimony. Don’t be afraid to share it with people. I was a new ager / occultist before I came to Jesus Christ ( : God Bless you and praise be His holy name
Best and most important comment Ive seen here. Broud is the path to destruction and narrow is the path to life and few find it. Jesus is that narrow gate . Seek him while he can be found.
God bless you! 🙏
Let’s go!!!! I came across your comment, that is the truth! So then our response back becasue of what Christ did for us is to desire to care and desire to love God and desire to respond with love to your enemies where everything does matter.
Thank you for sharing your fantastic story.
Correction: Buddhism doesn't aim to stop/cease ones "desires", instead Buddhism aims to stop/cease "selfish desires" (example: greed) and replace them by "selfless desires" (example: living a life that contribute to the benefit others).
The "selfless desire" to teach Buddhist teachings to help cease suffering for all life forms (especially humans) is an important aspect of Buddhism.
Some people misinterpret original Buddhism and engage in extreme asceticism and non-desire of all kinds.
The original Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama) after attaining Awakening (Enlightenment) returned from asceticism and started teaching Buddhism to everyone until dying from old age (and food poisoning).
The selfless desire to teach others and help them in attaining Awakening was a very important aspect of the Buddha's life.
That’s interesting…specifically, how does the Buddhist go about “selflessly ending the suffering for all life forms”? Also, why the need to end all suffering - aren’t there benefits to certain types of suffering?
@@lorenzmarquez8651 That's a good question, according to Buddhism ,the end of suffering happens when a person achieves "awakening or enlightenment", where the idea of their individual "self" disappears, and so a Buddhist realises that all life forms and everything are inseparable and that the "self" was just a mind construct, once this happens selfish desires disappear (such as greed as an example). And selfless desires (such as compassion to all life forms) starts to develop and become an important part of the Buddhist's life.
The end of suffering part is more related to ignorant selfish forms of suffering. And yes, some forms of suffering will lead to growth and direct Buddhists towards the path of enlightenment.
@@googleuser3620 Everything we are, came from somewhere else
@@stephenson19861 That's correct. Buddhists would also agree with what you just said.
No. What you say is westernized (to be precise, Christianized) Buddhism. The fundamental belief of Buddhism is Anaathmavaadhaa , which literally means "soullessness". i.e. we are not (or we don't have) a soul, or a self, or a person. It's a belief in the nonexistence of personhood. We are delusional when we think we are a person. Buddhism claims that what binds us to this illusion is desire. Cessation of desire is therefore advised in order to come out of the illusion that we are a self or a person.
For Buddhism to recognize the categories like selfishness and selflessness is to acknowledge not only that we ARE a self, but also that other "selves" too exist with respect to which we can be selfish or selfless. And to a Theravaadha Buddhist (the original sect) it would be unthinkable.
Quite the respectful reply from him! And really great.
Oh wow...this little two minute bit just blew my mind.
Thank you, Bishop.
Finding out what pleases God, and then allowing his spirit to help you do that, seems a fine purpose.
As a Buddhist, I agree. We’d probably disagree on what God is tho
"Blessed are those that mourn" requires us to detach ourselves from our desires that are not according to God's plan, so I think there's room to recognize the Buddhist attempt to detach from desire as making spiritual room for God.
In Buddhism desire is not very problem, the problem is attachment of desire...
Yes. One would have to read hundreds of interpretations of Buddhism/Zen/Hinduism etc to get a good sense of the ideas BUT there is nothing that says that desire is in itself a bad thing. The Buddha wanted to teach his ideas, did he DESIRE to teach them? He travelled around and debated others, did he DESIRE to do so? If not, why did he do it? Even if you desire not to desire that is desire. It's more of realizing you desire it, accept it, move on or go for it but don't make your happiness or life purpose bound to it.
not desire but attachment to desire, that basically means desire...you remove the attachment you remove the desire.
unless you meant "disordered attachment to desire" which would beg the question, what is ordered desire in buddhism?
@bossunlimited
Conflating desire and attachment to desire is the exact error being made by Bishop Robert Barron here. He has no understanding of Buddhism.
Desire is the emotion. Attachment relates to the auto response to the emotion. Two VERY different things.
Craving leads to suffering and the only way to be liberated from suffering is to be liberated from Craving.
@@raymondtendau2749 so death...how nice
Its not about blowing out the candle, its to get you to see that there was never a candle to begin with
"There is no spoon...." 🥄 👀
Just like Huineng, the sixth ancestor of Chan buddhism has said in his well-know poem:
"Fundamentally there is no Bodhi-tree，
Nor stand of a mirror bright，
Since all is void from the beginning，
Where can the dust alight？"
菩提本无树，明镜亦非台。
本来无一物，何处惹尘埃？
In the analogy the candle represents, the attachment. Are you saying there is never any attachment to begin with?
@@alisterrebelo9013 In the analogy, the candle is the self, with the flame being the desires that arise within that self. Buddhism teaches that there is no self. What exists is a collection of physical and mental states, which, through the human mind's ability to remember, forms the illusion of an identity that persists. This is the so-called 'no self' doctrine of Buddhism. The technical term for it is Shunyata, meaning emptiness/hollowness
@@georgepantzikis7988 Using what you just said to me, if the candle is the self and the self does not exist, then one conclusion is that candle does not exist. Is that a fair conclusion?
Bishop Barron is very inspirational in his conversational skill
My wife got angry with me and went to his home leaving me and my child behind...so please pray for me that she came back.... please 🥺🙏🥺🥺🥺🥺
What did you do to get her mad ?
This priests home?!
@@LKRaider - er no (and he's a Bishop) - some other guy I guess
@@albusai - yeah he wants us to pray for him not be intrusive
We will pray for you
The Buddhist goal is not quite the extinguishing of desire but of craving (tanha).
What is the difference, please?
@@meusisto Craving implies a strong feeling of attachment, whereas desire doesn't. I have a desire to drink water but I don't have an intense attachment to that desire. The Buddhists are all about extinguishing craving, which is an intense, attached form of desire.
@@bayreuth79 so basically to extinguish all additives ?
@@hagen4264 I will try to explain simple as possible (because it is simple explanation it will be very lacking sorry) for example you had Ferrari and you liked and loved that car that is okay you can like car but it broke and you cant fix it but you keep trying to fix it and keep trying to store keep it in your life that is attachment to desire letting go something you cant have anymore or cant have it ever
I accept your definition and contrast that with how Jesus defines love. Jesus teaches us that love is defined as the intense attachment for the benefit of our friends over ourselves.
John 15:12-13
12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 *Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.*
Great reply. Boundaries are there but a wiser approach is required. Can you spot the demarkation points or lines? Bishop shows the way. Thomas Merton has been there in Sri Lanka, India and beyond to study Buddhism.
God zapped him before he became a Buddhist and went to hell.
@@Hammett175 Interesting observation. Perhaps you need reword and send it to Bishop Robert Barron's comments via his Word on Fire channel.
Bp Baron should be clearer. The intimate desire should be to love and please God. Yes is yes and no is no. Merton strayed.
@@georginatalamo2451 I agree.
@@georginatalamo2451 Interesting but what you mean by "Merton strayed"? He was already an established Monk - tried and test Jesus Christ's ways. He was given a sabbatical to go and study Buddhism. He did. Seethe book Merton & Buddhism - Wisdom, Emptiness & Everyday Mind - ed by Bonnie Bowman Thurston (2007). It says on page 23: 'Buddhism provided models whereby Christians..,... could learn the interiority of Christ Who, throughout the gospels, withdraws ... to pray, to "commune with his own heart and be still". More pointedly, Buddhism provided a corrective to the intellectual dualism engendered by Cartesian thought. (Merton thought we all suffered from trying to travel the spiritual path in a broken Descartes!)'.
Another great different is that in budhism you reach nirvana "in yourself" (please correct me If i'm wrong) and Christians in submitting ourselves to the will of God. One can't find peace within oneself without Christ, because the source of our likeness is Christ
It feels to me that a Christian parallel to Nirvana would be when being filled with the Holy Spirit. I suppose this would coincide with submitting to the will of God from but from the perspective of desire for God, instead of desire to attain a god realm, as in Buddhism.
God is within oneself.
And christ is a state of being like a buddha.
Christ or Buddha are not names of people. These are just different names to mean one thing: absolute awareness.
Ordinary people are confused and attached to names.
Whether you call it buddha or christ, God or Dharma, it's the same thing.
@Shield of Faith jesus is a king in the same sense all other buddhas and christs are kings.
A king is someone who has renounced everything of the world. When a man has Truth within oneself, he's the enperor of everything, even if outwardly he's a beggar or lives a simple life.
You don't even understand GOD! Do you think it is some bearded dude up in the sky and jesus was his literal son? How stupid one has to be to believe in that stuff?
You don't even read your own holy text!
Jesus himself said "if you look for heaven in the sky, the birds will precede you. If you look for it in the depths of ocean, then the fish will precede you. Therefore, Look for the kingdom within you".
And when he says "I'm the way", he didn't mean he's the ONLY way. Christians made it so, so that they can sell their religion while downplaying other religions. Just like any other corporation wants to eliminate competition, like they want to be the ONLY player, the church too wanted to be the only religion. So they made jesus THE way.
But jesus is just one way. Anyone, by realizing the divinity within, can become a way for others. Thomas merton, Joel goldsmith, these people can become ways. Because they realized.
What you just said is a belief. It is not even coming from your own personal intellectual understanding. Your reply sounds like one of those replies you get from customer service when you report a bug in the game!
The least you can do is to talk like a normal human!
@Shield of Faith and as for buddha being in the grave, well, first off he has been cremated, so his body is gone.
But you kept the poor fellow jesus still hanging for 2000 years!
@Shield of Faith again you're merely repeating your beliefs. Everything you have been tought, you've memorized, you're simply repeating those words. As if this is am exam and you need to pass it!
Everything you said, i know all of it. I've read plenty of Christian mysticism, and my favorite is Margaret Porrete. Whom the traditional literalist like yourself burned to death. But she was the one who inspired me to read christianity. Otherwise, i found it boring and useless.
And as i said in my first comment, god, truth etc are all the same thing. Buddha called it the truth, because it's easier to understand. But he talked of the SAME REALITY. Buddhists do not believe in literal existence of a deity. And as fir god, there are many other terms.
This is why i said literalists are obsessed with names.
So you can try to sell your religion elsewhere, by saying yours is the ONLY way, and all others are fake/inferior.
The only good part in your massive "auto-generated" reply, is the part where you asked what is the truth, and what's the origin of it.
Truth cannot be known directly through a belief. We can only know the untruth, and remove those. Then the Truth will be left behind.
Truth has no origin or end. It was always there. All things come from ir and wo return to it.
As meister eckhart said "God's ground and my ground are one ground." Here ground means "essence ". We both have the same essence, and in that sense, we ALL address children of god, not just jesus. He simply realized it and thus BECAME a christ. Gautama BECAME buddha by realizing the same truth.
The desire that is mentioned in Buddhist language has more of a connotation with craving, attachment. Like grabbing on to an object without intending to let it go. This creates a distorted view because then you're not able to see how things are. A theist cannot see his or her life without God, but if you do let go of God. Does God stop existing?
God is there regardless. Sometimes our perception of other people can be distorted, also our relationship with other people can be distorted/toxic. We can have unhealthy attachments with other people. And we can have good relationships with other people. Similarly with God.
"A theist cannot see his or her life without God"
This is because, nothing can be known or understood in the darkness that we are born into. Without God who is light Himself dispelling the darkness, God the very source of Truth, guiding us, we would be blind leading the blind.
Buddhism claims that Buddha somehow discovers a way out of this darkness by focusing inwards. Unless he is divine, peering inwards without the light of God, is an abyss of darkness.
1:58. De Lubbock? What name did he say there? Cludio Mysterios
It could be the Jesuit priest Henri de Lubac. But I get no hit for Cludio Mysterios or something similar. Please let me know if you find it!
@@IvanGarcia-cx5jm thanks, it's him I think and Cludi Castillo Mysterios is probably some term he used, I didn't find it. Cludi Castillo mysterios means sth like the mysteries of closed castle from what I checked
The 4 noble truth adress Tanha as the source of Dukkha (Suffering, Stress, Dis-ease, Disatisfaction). But Desire is not a 100 percent accurate translation of Tanha i feel.
Tanha is a kind of craving, unquenchable thrist, a (errant) desire. Sometimes symbolized as Fire, since fire burns on the more fuel you add to it. Never satisfied. Thats why Nirvanna is symbolized as the blowing out of a lid candle. This is the kind if Desire, Buddhist practice aims to adress. There is a kind of a noble kind of desire. And as such i think Bishop Baron just confirmed that there is indeed common ground between Christianity and Buddhism.
I admire and love the dear Bishop, but I want to highlight the part of his response that he did not elaborate on.
I accept your definition of Tanha and contrast that with how Jesus defines love. Jesus teaches us that love is defined as the intense attachment for the benefit of our friends over ourselves. The intensity so high, that one would be able to lay down their very own life, against a 'human' sense for self-preservation.
John 15:12-13
12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 *Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.*
@@alisterrebelo9013In Buddhism, there is no “self”. So, for whom are you laying down “your” life, and who is doing the laying down? In Buddhism all life is precious, including “yours”. And let us not forget that the same man who called laying down your life to be a great good, also said that we should hate our own lives, and hate family, father, mother, and children. In other words, lay down your life first for god and NOT your friends. These kinds of contradictions are what make your scriptures, for me, untenable.
Again, as a Buddhist, I was impressed by the way he approached the question.
I love this man and he is way smarter than me but he is confusing "desire" with "attachment"
'The principles of earthly desires are enlightenment and the sufferings of birth and death are nirvana," -Nichiren Buddhism. He just mentioned provisional teachings not the essential teaching of Buddhism.
Wow this helps me understand my son’s widow that is Buddhist and Chinese. May the Grace of God be with her in her journey through RCIA.
He knows his stuff...
It's all the same to me.
But this guy actually understands Buddhism. Good.
"All religions are the same, especially Buddhism."
So could one say that St. Paul reached Nirvana (and beyond if that's thinkable) when he says: "it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me." (Gal 2,20) ?
With respect, this is simplistic beyond helpfulness. There is a much more essential philosophical division between the two than simply how to handle desire. Christianity is fundamentally concerned with how to save the self. Buddhism's conception is that salvation lies in realizing there is no self to save.
With respect, your one paragraph comment is simplistic beyond helpfulness
I guess MrTheLuckyShot might have referred to save the immortal soul or self. That should be different than saving our temporal self.
Buddhism's way of enlightenment to Heaven is like an arrogant man trying to prove himself he can do all things possible, even to the point of having capability to eliminate all human faults and failures (e.g. any desire). Whereas from Catholic faith, we humble ourselves, knowing that we humans cannot do anything without the help of the higher power, from the Holy One, God Himself, to be able to enter the Heaven's gate.
Just that itself from my perspective and as in logical sense has already proved to me that only Jesus Christ, our Lord and God can save us from all damnation.
God bless!🙏
Here's what the difference is: snuffing out desire means you will not act rightfully when the time comes, and you're teaching not to be passionate about doing what's right. If you have the desire to see and do what is right, you will negate wrongs in the world. This is why liberty reigned here in the United States so much in the first 100 years or so. Nowadays, people have lost their way and we see more non-religious or passive religions. So the active people (govt aka evil) will get their way.
@Santha
1. Jesus didn't fail. He gained the final victory. We failed Jesus to our own detriment.
2. Jesus is the truth.
@Santha
Christians have been slaughtered since the time of Nero and we're still around.
@Santha Tell that to the Yellow Hats.
Fault and failures aren't desire?. Fault and failure are the end point, desire is the start.
Bishop Baron is not a Buddhist, so he can be forgiven for know knowing what he doesn't know. Still, he must know he doesn't know everything, and so should preface his comments by indicating that his views are his own. In any case, Buddhism fully acknowledges the benefit of desire (i.e., the desire to end the cycle of suffering) insofar as it may motivates one to engage with the eight-fold noble path. Ultimately, however, at least in a Mahayana context, desire is transformed into wisdom.
I agree that he should have placed that caveat. In Christianity the ultimate reward is not in eliminating suffering. Christians learn to deal with suffering, but it is not the ultimate goal/reward. The biggest reward is being with God, being able to love unconditionally God and neighbor. The pure agape (not eros) is in the top of the Christian goal. Suffering is seen as unavoidable, and Christians want to learn to deal with suffering with patience, courage and use it for good (e.g., increase empathy, and perhaps detach from things that separate us from God).
OK so that's the difference Ethically.
I would like to know the Metaphysical differences?
Unfortunately, he got the ethical side wrong. The metaphysical? Do you mean rebirth?
Try this. When you ask where is the desire coming from, you mind will not find it anywhere. Buddhism does not tell you to eliminate any thing. It helps you to see there is no self on anything. "to awaken a purified higher desire" is just an opinion like any other ones. Everything including your thought in this moment is just a cause to combine with other causes for the next thing or things to happen. The only thing always with you unchanged is your awareness without any opinion. Once an opinion appears and you are not aware about it, you are back to normal cycle of cause and effect. Interesting? With your awareness without opinion you are not living like vegie, but no stress and more.
Does any one know the French term and the author that he was talking about?
the apostle paul explains it well, the law of the flesh or the spiritual law, if you live according to the flesh, your works including your desires are vain, you see the world in gray, at your convenience, if you live by the spiritual law your desires They will be correct, since you will not desire the things of the flesh, in other words there is nothing wrong with desire, but what we desire itself .....
I am an ex-Theravada Buddhist, ex-Dogen Zen Buddhist and ex-New-Age. I was Buddhist for 23 years and now I have been Christian 19 years currently continuously but Christian 26 years in total. I am happy being a Christian but I wasn't when I first started my Christian journey.
Manashantii The Christian
I am rather shocked that you were failed by TWO schools of Buddhism in ONE lifetime. Under whom did you study, and for how many years? “New Age” is not a school of Buddhism, by the way.
@wordscapes5690 I read books and went to over 100 retreats in Buddhist monasteries. I also read about 600 books ; I was Buddhist for 23 years. I was New Age for 4 years. At the end of my Buddhist experience I was thinking of becoming a Buddhist Nun.
Jesus saved my life I have love and assured peace in Christ. I wish you peace. God bless you.
Manashantii The Christian
@@ManashantiiTheChristian I am sorry, but “going to retreats” does not make you a Buddhist. Did you study any Pali? Which Theravada school? Did you take your five or eight precepts? What lineage? And did you abandon the Theravada for the Mahayana or vice versa? And why? You sound very confused. And going on retreats? Is this a holiday? Meditation is what you do AFTER you have mastered your precepts. It is not something that is engaged in at the beginning. This sounds like western woo, not Buddhism. I am delighted your Jesus rescued you from it. And I am doubly delighted you did not “become a nun”. And again “New Age” is not Buddhism. It sounds like a western thing like Scientology or Mormonism. Moreover, you say you were Christian for 19 years, then, 26 years. Then you say you were “New Age” for four years. Then you say you were Buddhist for 23 years. It is all very vague and confusing. This means you must either be extremely old, or that you began your Buddhist journey when you were a child. Forgive me, but I find your story very hard to believe. Look to your SECOND precept. You should have mastered it.
Bhante the Buddhist.
I read the Tripitaka in English. And I meditated after reading. I also was taught by monks in different communities. I shouldn't have to prove to you my experience. You have a right to your opinion. God bless you.
Manashantii The Christian
@@ManashantiiTheChristian Sorry, I just do not believe you, and I regard your flippancy regarding the ancient faith tradition of my country to be disturbing. My religion is not a “retreat”, nor is it a “New Age” psychological fix for bored westerners. You talk about changing Buddhist traditions as if it were underwear that didn’t quite fit. I find you deeply offensive, deeply dishonest, and deeply mistaken. PS, the Tipitaka is one amongst THOUSANDS of texts. And if you studied Zen, even MORE. I find it odd that after two decades, this is all you read, and that only in English… after so long. You would have been a terrible bhikkhuni. Thank you for returning to your religion. You clearly belong there. Namo Buddhaya.
Less is more. Less inferior individualism naturally results in gradual more connectedness with the superior (in quality and quantity) and its/our Creator (God, who is the Dharmakaya source of all phenomena) together.
Less attachment to worldly things can open up us better to the divine. That is probably something both Christians and Buddhists could agree.
Desire means "of the Father". All desires are Creator-given...but...it's when those normal natural desires deviate, become perverted, when they rule over us instead of us ruling over our desires, that desire can be a concern...
When desire becomes lust it is desire debased, and the humans engaging in lust (of any kind) are debased. Sex is marvelous! Food fabulous! Education is grand! Money is advantageous...but, ultimately, do we rule over our desires, or do they rule over us?
I think Buddha was a marvelous Truth Seeker doing the best he could with what truth he was given and I expect to see him in Heaven...but, he wasn't God, nor did he say he was God. Jesus is God, not Buddha. Buddhists, if they know about Jesus, but, refuse to turn from inherited or cultural beliefs and traditions, well, I'm not so sure I'll see them in heaven...
The two Witnesses in Revelations are the Knowledge of God and the Spirit of God...not all have the privilege of reading or hearing God's knowledge found in the Holy Bible, but, every soul's conscience can hear the Holy Spirit...and the Spirit shall lead some, who haven't even heard of Jesus, into the Way Everlasting.
That’s not correct. Buddhism doesn’t seek to put out desire. The obvious example being the desire for enlightenment! The desire to develop loving kindness, equanimity, compassion and happiness in the joy of others.
Buddhism seeks to reduce and remove grasping & neurotic craving (ie craving things that cannot lead to happiness etc. for example addicted to watching UA-cam videos!); also to reduce and remove pushing away/aversion/hatred; and to develop wisdom rather than ignorance.
As a Theravada Buddhist, I can agree with u!
People still mix up worldly desire with virtuous desire. Bodhisatvas are enlightened beings that DESIRE the liberation of beings from the samsara. It is very wrong to say that the goal of budhism is to stop desire in general.
Buddhism is diverse.
Oh I wish more Buddhists were to read the works of St. John of the Cross - especially the 'Ascent of Mount Carmel' and maybe - if it is not too intense - the 'Living Flame of Love' !
Skillful deaire. Buddhism doesnt say to remove desire but rather transform it, which is what you say to do.
Per my studies.....
Catholicism is founded on Natural Law, thus more aligned with Chemistry and Physics.....as is Taoism.
It also believes in Heaven, vs
Buddhism in heavenly "realms", in which even the Buddhist Gods do not experience immortality.
I'm a Christian and although I appreciate the explanation, there is some lack in the understanding of Buddhism in my humble opinion. The 4 noble truths are definitely in agreement with the Christian Scriptures. But the task of inquiry and discovery lies solely on the student, Read, Learn, and Discern.
In other words, "don't take my word for it, investigate for your self". You will most likely find that WE are all pilgrims on a journey.
Every religion say I am doing or not doing, or can't.
christianity is in fact an extremely high level of teaching, beyond buddhism.. notice that u dont need to fight against your false self to achieve the truth, only need (as in all oriental traditions) believe in the master (faith in the guru ) and in that way if you really do it with love and faith your false sense of identity will fall apart and your true nature will shine by it self... passing from the person to the presence... nirvana is the kingdom... many man have left in theirs human incarnated lives, clues, wisdom and paths... the problem is not them and their totally different languages (pretty obvious, cos different body-mind), is you, and all the mental believes, or mental constructs.... if you love, really love, your mind process calm down and you get instantaneously attain peace.. but is more tan peace... is the true knowledge of reality that will make free and free of fear to live spontaneously and also happy.... believe in the great master Jesus is a great achieve in life, but if you dont, please search for another path and contribute with love and compassion for those who live in ignorance and less light in their lives (literally). even your neighbor could be your master, or your father, any one can awake u, but only if u open your ears, eyes, mind, heart..... that cloud, the bird, the tree could awaken you right now, the all creation is the way is the answer, the path... no one and nothing is your enemy, your believe in that is it.
Jesus said, "You have one Master -- ME." If you claim this reference to himself is the Buddhist concept of self, then you are a Satanist. I know because I spent years attempting to unify these two religions. The result was that God dropped me into hell one night, an experience I will never forget. Turn to Jesus the Son of God and serve him and him alone. All other paths will lead to eternal separation from God. You have been warned.
@@PETERJOHN101 If there is no God or eternal life, who really cares. Let's satisfy any wicked desire. Augustine quote a phrase of Epicure "let's eat and drink because tomorrow we will die".
If there is a unique a unmoved mover who is a center of consciousness the unique solution to a religion is a logical conclusion.
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me". Yeshua Hamaschiach.
@@PETERJOHN101 Wow. Thank you for saying this. I too had thoughts of this type of unification.
I realized it is impossible. And if it were to occur, It could only be so through conversion of heart. And this conversion of heart, to believe in Jesus Christ, leaving would be God's work.
Desire is Love corrupted. If love is about giving, then desire is about taking/demanding.
For God so loved.... He gave. His only begotten son.
I agree with Buddhism's struggle to snuff out desire. I just don't think Buddhism emphasized Love as much as I think it should.
Concept of Bodhisattva is to realize the importance achieving Nirvana for the sake of all sentient beings. That is the mother of all desires.
What this gentleman missed about Buddhism never said kill all desires. It states seek a mid path. Give up bad thoughts, deeds and desires.
Earn with good work.
Speak truth ;not harsh words.
Kindness and compassion.
Loving kindness.
Most importantly gratitude and respect for nature.
Bhagavat Gita teaches that ultimately all god great and small will end up in the universe “god”. That “god” has no beginning or ending.
It is the time that brings changes to everything and end to everything.
Jesus taught very similar philosophy.
He never taught to kill or force people to follow his orders.
He never even had a religion.
Rest of the “christian” history you know well.
Flollow Jesus teachings.
Buddha (a remarkable, but just a man) taught to avoid and evade pain by suppressing desire, and he died by eating a pork meat plate; Christ (God the Son) taught to embrace pain and trouble if it is for Love, and he died for us nailed to the Cross.
@Santha It is perfect and was written from the start. The Christ came down and served us in order for people to see what love, mercy and Grace is. For He died on the cross because of man but yet He still love us all to this day. He being God showed us sinners who He is and an example of Divine Mercy,love and Grace of God. He is our light in life.
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If you have faith in Jesus Christ, well and good. If you have to compare Jesus Christ, rating him higher than other teachers of humanity, then perhaps your faith ain't as strong as you think it is.
@@hkumar7340 The comment was clearly made as an exhortation to our Buddhist friends not for a lacking of his own faith.
Duddha was not just a Man. He is 9th human incarnation of God VISHNU(Omnipresent aspect of the Divine)
Christianity is Eastern in Origin. He should have said "other Eastern ideas".
@@IvanGarcia-cx5jm It literally originated in Today's Israel/Palestine region. Do you take Middle East as Western ??
Philippians 2:6-8 teaches us to empty as Jesuus was empty. Long before St. Paul spoke these famous words, Buddha was already teaching these things.
Jesus, unlike the rest of us was born empty since he was an avatar of the logos. A person that is empty of tanha (destructive desire) or what the Jews call yetzer hara. Jesus was born in a complete and total state of unity of faith and gnosis, but until we reach that state, we are not complete human being.
"until we all reach unity in the faith (shraddha) and in the knowledge (gnosis / rigpa) of the Son of God (luminous mind) and become complete (teleion / perfect), attaining to the whole measure of the fullness (siddhi /pleroma) of Christ." Ephesians 4:13
He was the only person born (begotten) a Son of God. Even Siddartha had to put in effort to attain kenosis, Jesus was born that way.
Emptiness (kenosis) provides room to be filled with the light of Christ (clear light). A person cannot attain kenosis through good deeds unfortunatly. Good deeds are necessary part of God's plan to correct the world, but they do not directly result in sonship.
Kesnosis is is the result of a process of self surrender we call meditation. Surrender is another word for faith. Meditation is a tool for the cultivation of faith. Through meditation, we can attain theoria (vision / darshan) of the uncreated light of Christ. The result of theoria is pleroma.
Without desire you cant be bhudha at first place. This is a normal misconceptions by the west on bhudhism.
Desire is not the problem, it is our wrong perceptions.
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Buddha never resurrection himself or anyome else. Jesus resurrected himself. I do coincidentally do follow some Buddhist principals. Im a minimalist. Im a devout Catholic. Jesus started Catholic church. I joined….what will you do?
This is the buddha said be yourself and mindfulness when you understand for something. Different person with different result you get. Your understanding lead to your action. Action lead to your karma. Resulted god and bad came from your first thoughts.
This is easy. Buddism is based on the understanding that not understanding nor accepting the impermanence of life in this realm leads to suffering. Christianity tells you that you are guaranteed to live forever, and free of pain, suffering, or worry, if you agree to eat the flesh off a dead guy on a stick and drink a pint of his blood to wash it down now and then. The only slight catch is that you have to die first to find out if it's a hoax or not. Which it is.
What an intelligent comment. Not.
Did you died and came back to verify? If not, then remove the last statement above ("Which it is"). In general the comment is very disrespectful and written in an arrogant tone. Usually arrogance gets in the way of truth.
Buddhism does not believe in a God. The fulfillment of “karma” accordingly happens without any one intelligent agent to direct it (somewhat akin to the existence of a complex universe without a Creator and sustainer).
I'm by no means a expert in Buddhism, but you are correct they don't believe in a personal deity, to me it's kind of akin to a new age belief like Mary Ann williamson in her book a return to love.
Christianity made me so miserable and depressed for more than 40 years of my life. I am so thankful to the Lord Bhudda for his immaculate dharma, the 4 noble truths and the 8 fold path. I am now happy in life. Blessings to all, I wish all people can also find an end to suffering
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ugh… Buddhism is not about putting out desire. The Buddha distinguished between different types of desire. There are desires that lead to suffering and desires that lead to enlightenment.
once again, westerners don’t understand Buddhism, and these comments saying he understood it are so ridiculous
Can you please point to the text to this?
@@IvanGarcia-cx5jm Buddhism is never about putting out desires. Anyone who's trying to put out their desires does not understand the impermanence of desires and self, neither does anyone who teaches to put out desires - meaning they are not learning or teaching buddhism. Not saying it's wrong, but it's not Buddism.
Desires such as greed or lust, are to be observed and understood. Desires such as to learn, to be peaceful motivate people to become the better version of themselves.
@sigalius Some westerns do understand Buddhism - I've seen many practicing 8fold paths and meditation following Buddhism teaching.
The desire of not desiring is desire in itself.
I don t desire to become a dog in afterlife
You are not called upon to abandon all desires. This is a huge misunderstanding. You are called upon to desire the wise, the good, and the beneficial. Once you have acquired these, there can be no more question of desire. One only desires those things which one does not possess. Your desire is therefore extinguished upon acquisition. When you desire that which is wise, there can be no more craving because the desired object is achieved.
Is there an actual Buddhist in the audience?
Well actually this isn't what we did we did something somewhat similar. This is nicer because it treates the religions with more of a respect and less of a generalised mennigless while trying to give every equal meaning
A bit off-topic but...the definition of self is the problem. The personal self is an illusion within time and the three or more other dimensions of reality. That self is an illusion because time is a hard component (all time is completed) of the space-time continuum. Thus determinism without free will is a fact of nature; but within the flow of time we have the perception of free will. This perception within time allows us to choose pain or pleasure, right or wrong, and any form of religious flavor or not that suits us. The only true self is the one ever-existing continuum (a sort of super-monad for the religiously inclined). This time-space continuum (multiverse) has always existed (constantly rebirthing itself) and from it has come all forms. All the whims of men and religion reside within the fixed confines of this multiverse or ground of being as it were. This is the Father in the Trinity, father being a recent anthropomorphism of more ancient references.
This is a materialistic perspective. Assuming that all is matter and energy as in physics. Macro physics are predictable and deterministic and we can place formulas to them. But I never seen a successful formula being used to predict a human being's well, probably not even an animal. The problem with the materialistic view is that it first stop believing in God, and then goes on to stop believing that people are real.
Your entire write up in self-contradictory, and illogical.
P1 - You silently presume your self is real and true.
C1 - Your assert the self is an illusion. The implication is that your senses including your mind are an illusion.
C2 - Based on your "Self" being an illusion, you assert that you understand the nature of reality.
C3 - Number of claims of reality based on your illusory self and senses.
You've got to reconcile your presumption P1 with your first claim C1, then amend C2, C3 etc.
He doesn’t understand what Buddhists mean by nirvana or desire. Nirvana more closely translates to breathe out or let go, not blow out. And desire to Buddhists is a clenching on to impermanent objects (people, items, things, places, experiences, etc) not so much an aspiration or duty. Otherwise why would the Buddha have taught for 50 years? Why even do anything if desire of any kind is the problem? How even do anything without a desire to do something? Buddhism translates horribly to English and western views on it are so flawed we’re seeing contrast where there is none. Buddhism and Christianity point to the same place, they just take different paths. It’s obvious when you actually listen to the gospels. “Know them by their fruits”. Buddhism has only produced goodness and peace. In fact it’s the only major world religion without major scandals and issues. Pretty clear what they’re doing achieves salvation and walking a righteous path.
I did not recognize my own religion. And those bits I did recognize were merely titles or single words. The explanations that followed them… good heavens! It was like looking at the Buddha through wax paper: you could see a vague silhouette that could be bat… or a space rocket. Most confused.
"It would take us a year" you sure about that?
Imagination being God in man is stuff for natural minds that judge. Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”
It just caught my ear....."Awakening and directing desire appropriately" is also a "Taoist" concept.
And isn't it so as a concept of life? When we wake up every morning.....?
You got it all wrong. Buddhism does not day to ignore you desires but to embrace them. Nam-myoho-renge-kyo
Bishop Robert Barron means well, but if we are going to talk about spirituality, the question arises: where is Robert in his own spiritual development? Has he reached a spiritual awakening? If so, to what degree? Zen monks spend their entire lives in intense and strict ascetic practice to reach satori. I don't think we can say the same for Robert. Of what good is it to devote one's life to God without the spiritual awakening? Talking ABOUT God every Sunday is nothing more than a social gathering hence spiritual bypassing. Robert's knowledge about being a Christian has its place but he will tell you only what he knows and considering the way the world is now, we need more than just talk, we need a real transformation of the heart and mind. We need all religions to look into a mirror and have them realize that their respective God's do nothing to help make this a better world. On the contrary, it's often making things worse. Should the day Robert have a spiritual awakening that makes him realize the utter dehumanizing effects of our present political discourse, the greed in capitalism and the disregard of climate change from our inept politicians, then I'll listen to him. I mean, you will never hear Robert say what Dr. Fromm said decades ago about the often insane world we live in. Says he,
*_"I have tried to show in a previous chapter that democracy cannot work in an alienated society, and that the way our democracy is organized contributes to the general process of alienation. If democracy means that the individual expresses his conviction and asserts his will, the premise is that he has a conviction, and that he has a will. The facts, however, are that the modern, alienated individual has opinions and prejudices but no convictions, has likes and dislikes, but no will. His opinions and prejudices, likes and dislikes, are manipulated in the same way as his taste is, by powerful propaganda machines-which might not be effective were he not already conditioned to such influences by advertising and by his whole alienated way of life. The average voter is poorly informed too. While he reads his newspaper regularly, the whole world is so alienated from him that nothing makes real sense or carries real meaning. He reads of billions of dollars being spent, of millions of people being killed; figures, abstractions, which are in no way interpreted in a concrete, meaningful picture of the world. The science fiction he reads is little different from the science news. Everything is unreal, unlimited, impersonal. Facts are so many lists of memory items, like puzzles in a game, not elements on which his life and that of his children depends"_* From his book "The Sane Society"
If Bishop Robert was awake, if he had the spiritual perception to see the utter madness playing out in the world, he would be mad as hell about it. This reality would make its presence felt in all that he did and said. But no. The quote above is of no real concern to him as it would be to a common man on the street. There is too much talk about God and not much about transformation.
Simply put: He is living out the sacrament of holy orders.
Bishop seems to have some understanding of Buddhism, which is wonderful and open-minded. However, I think the conversation can go further because what he said is not accurate. "The point of demarcation he mentions does not seem correct to me, I am not an expert but I have studied Buddhism for many years.
Buddhists encourage people to keep the religion in which they were born (Catholicism, Islam, etc.) because converting could cause confusion. For the same reason, although Buddhists are open to interfaith conversation on common themes such as love, compassion, generosity, etc., there are certain Buddhist concepts that some teachers prefer not to discuss with non-Buddhists to avoid the risk of them developing confusion or even doubt in their own faith.
Having said that, it may be better not to go any further in the conversation.
Perhaps it is better just to focus on cultivating values and qualities that benefit oneself and others, whatever our & their beliefs and faiths.
My friend, from this Bishop’s mouth I could not recognize my own religion.
The Christians 👌 solution to blowing out the candle of self seeking desire, the candle that serves our self interest was given by Jesus who said.
Any man that seeks to follow after me he must deny himself "" take up his cross and follow me.
.The Cross provides a place for the the old ( self ) man to be crucified so that it can now be of service to the other. The greatest way to fill the cup is to pour it out out on another.
@Santha yes 👍 He did 100%
@Santha sure Jesus refers to the son of man ( himself) who shall be betrayed by the chief priests and the scribes and be condemned to death. Death by what?
Matthew 20:19
And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge him and to CRUCIFY him and on the third day he shall rise again.
To CRUCIFY : Latin word for death on a CROSS.
@Santha that is Jesus challenge to those who choose to follow after HIM,
THEY must take up their cross ( in self denial ) and in humility for the sake of OTHERS and follow after him.
Thanks for ignoring the VERSE you asked for and still end up learning anyway. God bless you immensely ✝️
@Santha OK have it your way____
EXCELLENT ANSWER! Good sense and applicable to life.
What on earth is Bishop Barron doing at Google? Shouldn’t be surprised.
Lighting a flame in the darkness.
Google Talks is actually pretty good. Its like TED without the pomposity
If you say bad things about Christianity see how the Christians get judgemental and say bad stuff about you but if you do that to buddha the other would not do anything but just keep quiet cos they don't judge you and would not attack you. This is what speaks volume to me . Look from actions not through words.
I totally agree that actions are more important than words. Respect is very important, is a form of love (willing the good of the other, not eros). It is disappointing when Christians forget to respect others that differ in their views. Jesus himself said "love your enemies", or in this case, those who disagree with you. In Matthew 5:44 (part of the sermon of the mountain): "But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you". Christians forget sometimes the importance of loving others as yourself even on disagreement.
The Buddhist presupposition that all desire is bad and must resist is wrong, because the desire to help people is inherently good
define help and good. what if the other person doesn't want the help you are offering. are you still good? what if even from the mere moment of expressing an act of unsolicited help causes the other person distress?
The Buddha never taught that desire was bad. This is a misunderstanding of the 4 noble truths. Westerners are forever misinterpreting it. Desire for that which is virtuous and good is encouraged. Desire for that which is destructive is considered a hindrance to your progress. That is why the beginning of the practice - before you even pick up a single sutta - is to take the 5 precepts. Nowhere is it taught that ALL desires are to be abandoned.
@@zenmodi2614objective reality and moral truths exist. A distress towards those things must be eliminated. Such as a h*roin addict hearing the truth that he needs to stop taking it
@@wordscapes5690okay what are good desires and how can Buddha substantiate them? He was just a guy who admitted himself that he isn’t an authority on salvation. If he is grasping at moral truths and righteousness it means that he grasping at a source of that moral truth.
Meaning that even with this view Buddhism will inherently presuppose God unless good desire is subjective
@@sweetnerevar7030 Gods, THE God, whatever gods are relevant to you (I am not sure which) may very well exist. They may even provide you with this salvation you seek if you abide by the god’s principles, rules, precepts or dogmas. However, the Buddha did not offer you salvation. He did not offer you this “eternal life” you so hanker for. He states that eternal life is already your natural state. You cannot die. The body can die, the self (or brain construct) of the body can die, sure. You are by nature immortal. Buddhism deals with what you DO with your immortality. That is all. If you wish to believe in your particular god, go right ahead. If you do not, equally fine. But no god can absolve you from the repercussions of your actions. Responsibility cannot be shirked. You can be forgiven, sure, but responsibility? No. The consequences of your actions are yours alone to face. That is why, even when you call to your particular god, the invariable response is silence. Gods can provide solace, forgiveness, comfort… but they cannot shoulder your kamma. That is the opposite of justice. Absolution does not mean freedom from responsibility. Also, there is no point to the question “Who designed the moral code?” It is the way existence is. We call it Dhamma, you call it God’s Law. We just choose not to select a god from the VAST array on which we may blame Dhamma. You do. And that is fine. For us it is perfectly fine to say: “Dhamma is.” It is good enough for us that the Good exists. Finally, how do I know Buddhism to be a very true and virtuous path that is far superior to other paths?: you can evaluate the veracity of a doctrine by the way its clerics, its adherents, and its lay people treat each other and how they behave toward others, and the “other” in society, that is, the most hated and marginalized. You cannot judge a religion purely by its scriptures (they will always be flawed, contradictory, and filled with anachronisms). I shall leave it there.
Then you have the desire to get rid of desire
Truth is truth... what other truth is there?... there is truth in Eastern religions 🤔
Very jarring to see the good Bishop with the anti-Christian Google sign behind him
We are called to battle Satan. To go out into the world and find him where he reigns and draw /lead Satans flock back to Christ. No hiding like cowards. Once these people are dead it's too late. Are you a soldier in Christs army or not?
Might be a jackkasss catholic but good point.
Summary:
Bishop - “good question. That would take a year to unpack. But a 90second answer points this way…”
Commentator : “ the bishop doesn’t understand Buddhism and should say so..”.
No winning this one.
True self, false self. How about no self🙏
Westerners do not like to discuss no-self, as it is very alien to them and is unique to Buddhism. They always think it means you are “nothing” or “no one”. I usually avoid the topic when asked to talk about Dhamma, and if I am asked, I try my best to change the subject. When I am forced to address it, i see my western audience going all cross-eyed. Or their ears hear the exact opposite of what my mouth is saying. It is very curious. 🤭
The Red Barron
This is wrong, the difference is: We can't save ourselves. Creation of your "own" knowledge of Good and Evil can only lead to Evil because there's no Good without God. That moment, when Adam and Eve decided to create their own Good and Evil, the moment of Original Sin. The Sin that we all repeat: Pride and hypocrisy: Pretending that we're Good when we CAN'T be Good by ourselves. In order to preserve our Pride. And thus dying(separating eternally from God) in the process.
I agree we can't save ourselves without God, but how this connect with what the video says? And how the video is wrong in relation to this?
Buddhists don't look for salvation but enlightenment. Therefore they don't need a saviour.
You really don't know much about Merton and what he wrote, do you. smh
From "What the Buddha Taught" (1959/2006) by Walpola Rahula (page 41-42). Professor Walpola Rahula was a well known Buddhist monk.
"Here it should be clearly and distinctly understood, without any confusion, that what is compared to a flame or a fire gone out is not Nirvana, but "being" composed of the Five Aggregates who realized Nirvana. This point has to be emphasized because many people, even some great scholars, have misunderstood and misinterpreted this similie as referring to Nirvana. Nivana is never compared to a fire or a lamp gone out."
Bishop Robert Barron in the video: "Nirvana is the blowing out of the candle of desire".
These two statements can't both be right. Who do you trust have the best knowledge of Buddhism? A Buddhist professor monk or a Christian Bishop?
The ultimate desire of a Buddhist is to have no desire. So the thing you use to achieve your goal must be destroyed.
He totally misunderstands the 4 noble truths. The Buddha does not ask you to abandon desire. You are called upon to desire that which is good and to abandon that which is destructive to the path. You are to abandon craving for that which causes clinging to this world. The very first thing to start practicing is the 5 precepts, which is an expression of your desire to be virtuous. They re like your western Ten Commandments, but only 5: no stealing, no lying, no substance abuse, no killing, no sexual misconduct. You have to DESIRE to abandon these. So the good Bishop TOTALLY misconstrues the idea of what should and should not be abandoned regarding desire.
@@wordscapes5690 That's a lot of desires wrapped up in your comment. Peace
@@InfoArtistJK Spreading Dhamma is a GOOD desire. It must not be abandoned. Did you read my previous comment?
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Your god will turn to dust when nobody will pay for your churches the dharma is eternal and cannot be destroyed.
be fruitfull and multiply
some fruitfull and not multiy
a lot multiply but not fruitfull
Sir, your body language suggests that you may be speaking out of your depth, here. I think you may misunderstand Buddhism. Take a look at the 8-fold path.
The 8-fold path is good, if it has good discernment, a good direction, and true love (agape) is in it.
Buddhism never (at least from the teachings that I've learned) claimed that feeling desire is bad and that you should destroy that feeling. It claims that every desire can lead to suffering if you're not able to let go of the desire. It merely teaches that clinging on to a desire will inevitably lead to suffering. For example a lot of Christians have this immense desire that their god is indeed real. But imagine if somehow this was proven wrong then they will have an immense suffering because this one very important desire of them can't be fulfilled. I'm not trying to prove that God does or does not exists, but I'm just trying to give an example where a Christian can maybe relate to, in order to explain what I'm trying to say. I'm also not saying that desiring the existence of a god is wrong but you can see where this can lead to... Buddhism teaches you in this scenario that you have to be able to let go of this desire if it ends up not being able to be fulfilled or else unnecessary suffering will be the consequence.
Bishop Fye
Xian - Properly directed desires
surely a better way to 'dialogue' with Buddhists is to talk about Christ
Training to erase your mind, to feel nothing, and to cling to nothing, seems to be an artificial death to your God given humanity and senses. A walking state of vegetabilism. God Christ, did not reject suffering - in fact, he accepted it as a "perfect sacrifice" to release us, from human sin - and give us humans a chance at heaven. Christ God, rejected the devil's offerings to relieve his "suffering" in the desert for 40 days. It had meaning. Suffering, brings forth liberation and salvation in life. Buddha, ran away from his wife and newborn, as a wealthy and pampered man, to learn to escape from his fear and obsession with suffering. That's ego and self interest. Not love.
In Buddhism, you are not asked to “erase your mind”. You are called upon to awaken it. You are not asked to “reject suffering”. You are taught to know what it is intimately, which is why it loses its sting. All life is precious, not only humanity. And finally, the Buddha’s wife became a nun, as did his son. He did not “abandon them”. Please do not step on the brightly glowing flames of others in order to make your little spark glow more brightly. Thank you.
@@wordscapes5690 Nonsense. He was a privileged man. Very much so. So, why did the wealthy prince buddha, leave his young wife and child? To show her that he loved her and the child? He imparted that suffering onto them with his abandonment. Sounds like a trust fund baby in modern times. It's simply a decent philosophy - but it is very passive one at that, and in the end your mind is that of blank page, utter avoidance of reality. There is a "blind" trust based on a human's philosophy and observances - and in death do we really become as clouds? Some buddhist traditions claim to communicate and "tame" demons.
@@wolfkingsigma2795 Why did your Jesus tell us to hate family, and mother, and father? You see, I can also take tales out of their teaching context and use them spitefully? Some Christian denominations oblate to statues. Some of them handle snakes. Some of them mumble nonsense words through microphones? Some of them heal for money. Some claim to chase out demons. Are you responsible for all the strange beliefs in your religion? And my religion is way, WAY older than yours. Do you not think we would have accumulated more strange mythology than that which appears in your very slim volume? Think on it.
@@wordscapes5690 I'm a catholic. We don't pray TO statues, they are merely focal points of prayer and nothing else. Christ, never told us to hate our family, etc. Christ, God, of the holy triune, taught us that the world is not ever going to give us fulfillment - but only living for God, and the goal of getting to where where we come from - with God - in heaven. We have a source, life is not empty avoidance - the world is flawed, put God first, and you live well and healthy.
@@wolfkingsigma2795 You missed my point. I was not accusing Catholics of worshipping statues, I was comparing how Christians talk about OUR spiritual ceremonies. I appear to have angered you, so I will leave it here, as that was not my intention.
In my 30 years of conversing with different Christian denominations and non-believers, for 98% of the times they use words they don't know the meaning of.
To those of you who use the words "religion" and "Christianity", could you give the definition of those words? What is the central idea of religion and Christianity?
God became man that man might become God.
@@kansashoneybadger7899 AMEN IN JESUS NAME AMEN 🙏
JESUS IS THE ONLY SAVIOR 🙏
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@Santha You also need countless books to become a proper theologian. It's a false dichotomy.
Catholicism isn't anti science so I don't get what your point is. Charles Le Maitre proposed the big bang theory, Gregor Mendel is considered the father of genetics. Both were catholic priests.
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To bad that Bishop Robert doesn't want to tell the truth or maybe he doesn't understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Buddhist teaching is there is no God-no entity who created everything, that everything is created and then distructed in never ending cycles by natural laws. The whole Bible is about God who created Heavens and Earth, God created us and humankind fallen into sin. Because of sin death came and everyone who is not saved will be judged for their sins in fron of God the Father and Jesus Christ-God in the flesh. Buddhist teaching is a path towards the liberation of suffering with 4 nobe truths, 8 fold path, dependent origination,... through meditation-the higest meditative state is no concentrantion empty state-beyond body and mind-there are no thoughts so the link of depended origination is cutted-there is no becoming nor ceasing, no liberation no suffering, no samsara, no Nirvana-heart sutra. The word of God says that suffering, sickness, death does not originate in the mind, but is coming from sin. And nobody can liberate themselves with any practice or morality-this is selfrighteousness, no one is righteouss before the most Holy God creator of everything and no one will be justified before God with any kind of practices, morality, concentration, empty mind, yoga,... Salvation is a gift of God to anyone who believes that Jesus Christ paid our sins on the cross and rose the 3rd day from the grave for our justification. Jesus was a perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world, because only Jesus Christ was sinless, everybody else ever born-ever will be born are in sin, all humans after Adam and Eve are in sin. So Jesus who never sined took upon our sins and took our judgment for our sins on the cross so that anyone who believes is forgiven by God and become a child of God, has eternal life in heaven, God will give us eternal body just like Jesus resurrected with eternal body, ate with his disciples and ascended to Heaven before them. When we believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ God seals us with his Holy Spirit until we go to Heaven. By one spirit we are baptised into the Body of Christ. And in Christ we are not sinners, but saints, we are not slaves to sin under power of Satan, but we are adopted into the familly of God. Jesus destroyed the works-curses of the devil on the cross. So that by faith we are set free forever.
Buddhist tradition-philosophy is a deception from satan as any other way-doctrine to deceive people and not be saved from eternal damnation. That's why Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life and no on comes to the father then by me. There is no other truth, way apart from Jesus-who is the word of God and who is God. Everything was created through Jesus and for Jesus. It says that every knee shall bow before him and everyone will confess him as Lord to the glory of the Father. Buddha can't do any good to you, he couldn't save himself as no one can and he was used by Satan to deceive people. This is the good news, you can be saved today and have eternal life by the word of God.
I agree with many things you said, but it is important for us Christians to be respectful of others. Starting with Buddha and his early followers, and many of their followers today that grew up in an environment where Christianity is not present, or worse, in a Christian environment where people give terrible testimony without any good truly Christian examples around them. They are trying to do the best their can. If we are not respectful, although we might have good intentions, the effect could be the total opposite.
What is he doing at Google
He was invited to speak
Indubitably
Yes and Christianity has it right