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  • @paullambert8701
    @paullambert8701 2 роки тому +38

    I think that was bad form to declare oneself out, but then to undermine another Dragon's offer.

    • @MrMongoose221
      @MrMongoose221 Рік тому +8

      Yeah Steven always comes across bit of a knob especially to Touker for some reason

    • @Greg_lark
      @Greg_lark Рік тому +3

      He was just speaking the truth. And didn’t want to see her taken advantage of.

    • @MrZeldion
      @MrZeldion Рік тому +3

      @@MrMongoose221 They don't get on, because Touka always demands such a high amount of equity and Steve is the only one that calls him out on it. I can imagine being so inspired by someone and would hate to watch that person give it all away when i can atleast say something

    • @thedappercook
      @thedappercook Рік тому +2

      It's the truth though. Business is ruthless, only the strongest survive.

  • @ansahbudu8274
    @ansahbudu8274 2 роки тому +42

    Is it not ironic that the women were the ones literally putting her down while the men were rather supportive? To think she was doing this for women!

    • @kappri85
      @kappri85 2 роки тому

      such a paradox lol

    • @informationyes
      @informationyes 2 роки тому +10

      Because they are also individuals

    • @celestinetoussaint6350
      @celestinetoussaint6350 2 роки тому +2

      I figured it would happen like that, Deborah has a history of doing this. The guys are usually pretty chill and understanding

    • @AlisonWonderland999
      @AlisonWonderland999 2 роки тому +6

      It depends how you look at it. It would be better to get women authors read more widely by men.

    • @kevintwine2315
      @kevintwine2315 Рік тому +4

      Because the men didn’t see through the sexist nonsense.

  • @jay.a3926
    @jay.a3926 Рік тому +4

    Deborah has made an excellent point about this concept being divisive.

  • @CriticalInsights
    @CriticalInsights 2 роки тому +23

    Why would you want BOOKS in an all-gender-inclusive education system to be gender-exclusive? Why are you cutting off a part of the market? As a parent of children of both genders (girls and boys) or boys only,, I would be very offended at being asked to buy an English book for my girls and not my boys...very divisive, Deborah was spot on!

    • @informationyes
      @informationyes 2 роки тому +4

      Yep she making an issue when their isn't one

    • @celestinetoussaint6350
      @celestinetoussaint6350 2 роки тому +1

      LMFAO

    • @kevintwine2315
      @kevintwine2315 Рік тому

      Because sexism and exclusion is ok (as long as it’s women doing it)

    • @auroaxz3564
      @auroaxz3564 Рік тому

      Feminist

    • @JaAoM-x3r
      @JaAoM-x3r Рік тому +2

      not all books cater to the whole audience and dont suffer for it, I dont really think its an issue narowing the audience...deborah is missing the point a bit here

  • @macioluko9484
    @macioluko9484 Рік тому +5

    Here we go again:
    We need more women here, here, here… everywhere!
    How about underwater pipeline welding? Mining? Waste disposal!?

  • @daveflyinghigh3209
    @daveflyinghigh3209 Рік тому +6

    Totally agree with Debra, stop this divide

  • @frankmcgonagle6143
    @frankmcgonagle6143 2 роки тому +13

    Omg Tuker's weird facial expressions!!!! I can't even 😂😂😂

  • @danram69
    @danram69 2 роки тому +15

    i wonder how i would be recievied if i started a boys only book club ?

    • @gilessteve
      @gilessteve 2 роки тому +2

      That would be sexist.

    • @celestinetoussaint6350
      @celestinetoussaint6350 2 роки тому +3

      Your rhetoric makes no sense. There are plenty of brands that are catered towards men, we dont care.

    • @inis5472
      @inis5472 Рік тому +2

      @@celestinetoussaint6350 but u do, thats why u commented on this

    • @HIOP0
      @HIOP0 Рік тому

      YOUR "COMMAND" OF WRITTEN ENGLISH, IS ONLY THE FIRST HURDLE YOU'LL HAVE TO OVERCOME, BEFORE YOU EVEN GET STARTED.

  • @ElainaKendal
    @ElainaKendal Рік тому +1

    There's nothing wrong with having a business that speaks to one sex and not another, Its about girl power so how can she direct it to a male audience. I'm sure whoever makes Barbie isn't getting the same heat.

  • @larsludvigsen6843
    @larsludvigsen6843 2 роки тому +16

    What? Deborah and Sara makes no sense here to me. MANY successful brands targets only men or women, and it’s still a big market. Her business idea and reason behind it makes complete sense for me. She can just extend it later to include boys?

    • @Videotubelord
      @Videotubelord 2 роки тому

      According to her 75% of women buy these "men" books, yet men buy them too. Her feminist idea is to get only that 75% of women and exclude men. It's not businesswoman targeting females, it's feminist targeting females.

    • @LiamSmith-ds1kn
      @LiamSmith-ds1kn 2 роки тому +6

      She can, but it seems counterintuitive to exclude them from the beginning. Businesses that target just men or women might be something like beard trimmers for men, or makeup for women. But books aren't a market that needs splitting, it doesn't make sense why you would do that

    • @celestinetoussaint6350
      @celestinetoussaint6350 2 роки тому

      I know! There's been guys who have came on to show marketing shaving products to men even though women shave too, do you think I cared tho? No Of course not. There's nothing wrong with a business catered to one gender, she's not missing alot lol

    • @Videotubelord
      @Videotubelord 2 роки тому

      @@celestinetoussaint6350 Shaving products for men smell different plus other things that women would not use and vice versa. Books are not gender specific anyhow. Making it gender specific is cutting big chunk of your market. This is not business decision. It's prime example of western feminism, where they fight for female equality where equality exist already.

    • @anumashraf7941
      @anumashraf7941 2 роки тому

      I totally agree with deborah and. Sara.u cant exclude men from tht market.

  • @Paul-gq7tf
    @Paul-gq7tf 10 місяців тому +1

    If it was for men only, everyone would be claiming sexism, maybe the books in schools are good no matter the gender of the author

  • @R_P_Singh30
    @R_P_Singh30 Рік тому +1

    Business was to support women author by selling it to only women ( as she cleared ignored Sarah and Debra's suggestion to make it for every one), Interesting that she was counter offering T.S so probably was ok for male investor despite it was all about women :).

  • @dextercool
    @dextercool 2 роки тому +10

    I will never understand how entrepreneurs can often not state basic financial facts about their business without hesitation or confusion or mistakes.

    • @AJnzxv1
      @AJnzxv1 2 роки тому +6

      It's amazing what nerves & panic can do, you just blank. It does seem crazy though not remembering the main figures.

    • @Smellindamix
      @Smellindamix Рік тому +2

      True, but then again have you done it?

  • @johnmchugh4655
    @johnmchugh4655 2 роки тому +20

    Steven been a complete arse here, thought 30% was pretty reasonable especially as he said he couldn't see a return on the percentage offered

    • @Mossyz.
      @Mossyz. 2 роки тому +4

      Good point .

    • @jg6159
      @jg6159 2 роки тому +1

      he is a complete arse....he's rude and arrogant and doesn't need to interfere with another dragons pitch...they should get rid of him he's wirthless

    • @sadikmeah4057
      @sadikmeah4057 2 роки тому +1

      He's always an arse

    • @3001chancer
      @3001chancer 2 роки тому +14

      If he took 30%...remember there is 200k in the bank. So instantly he owns 30% of that. Which is 60k... so he's buying 60k cash and 30% of returns in future, for 50k... it was a terrible deal for her.

    • @swisspunker94
      @swisspunker94 2 роки тому +8

      steven does this all the time and I think its very bad manner. They are all grown ups in there and its the enterpreneurs decision to make.

  • @paraniharan
    @paraniharan Рік тому +1

    Guys , can anyone tell me that has steven ever made an offer in dragons den ?

    • @VeryVeryBigJ
      @VeryVeryBigJ Рік тому +1

      He did on his first appearance and got a deal!

  • @thechanneloffun3760
    @thechanneloffun3760 Рік тому +1

    Ladies only, but us men want 🍻🍺🍸🥃

  • @shaunohagan1491
    @shaunohagan1491 2 роки тому +16

    It's not that they don't agree with her, it's the fact she's instantly lost 50% of the book reading market, It's not a campaign it's a business.

    • @zeebee6
      @zeebee6 2 роки тому +7

      She hasn't, because 75% of the book reading market is women, apparently.

    • @shaunohagan1491
      @shaunohagan1491 2 роки тому +3

      @@zeebee6 so.... 75% of 50% of people then

    • @guggen8236
      @guggen8236 2 роки тому

      @@shaunohagan1491 I see what you are getting at and I agree that it is silly to no promote those books to boys. On the contrary, if the idea is to promote female authors and be a "feminist" company, the appeal should be to get boys to read books written by women. Your maths however are wrong. If the ( current ) book market is 100 percent and the female audience is 75 percent then her market reach is 75 percent. Not 75 percent of 50 percent :)

    • @HIOP0
      @HIOP0 Рік тому

      NOT EVERY BUSINESS HAS TO APPEAL OR BE AVAILABLE TO BOTH GENDERS, OR TAKE THE MAKERS OF FEMININE PRODUCTS TO COURT FOR DISCRIMINATION, YOU 1D10T.

    • @zeebee6
      @zeebee6 Рік тому

      ​@@shaunohagan1491 She stated that 75% of book buyers are women, so she's 'losing' the 25% that she's not targeting. It's not 75% of 50% of anything lol. The percentages relate to the 'book buying market' not the population.

  • @vesavius
    @vesavius Рік тому +4

    She is conflating two things here that are not connected... The GCSE reading list and the bookshelf. Is her mission to change the books for GCSE, or change the number of female writers on the bookshelf, because they are not the same thing. She should have told us how many writers on the BOOKSHELF are by women, because in the US (as an example) 51% of authors are women. Her business does nothing at all to challenge the GCSE side.
    I don't get the 'inequality' that she is attempting to address here at all. Womens writing is not in trouble in any sense. One might think it's just a cynical virtue signal to sell product?
    As an aside, I can say that i have never chosen a book on the gender of the author. I just read good books. It seems odd to me to lose out on so many great reads by filtering out an entire gender of author. I have been inspired by many women, why can women not be inspired by men? It's very weird.

  • @mrunknown4157
    @mrunknown4157 2 роки тому +7

    Lets all campaign for equal rights for women by creating a business that excludes all men. Yeah, that logic definitely makes sense! 🤦‍♂️

  • @theguardian308
    @theguardian308 2 роки тому +4

    I’ve watched a few of the recent ones and man Stephen hates touker.

    • @Tim_3100
      @Tim_3100 2 роки тому +2

      Yup he does because i think stephen is threatened by him because touker is a very wealthy indivual way more than stephen.

  • @dextercool
    @dextercool 2 роки тому +37

    Cosmopolitan is targeted at women and Men’s Fitness is aimed at men - nobody blinks an eyelid at that; so why is this ‘divisive’? It’s a niche.

    • @chaytiano6896
      @chaytiano6896 2 роки тому

      Deborah hates women.

    • @cookiekilbane5989
      @cookiekilbane5989 2 роки тому +17

      If you want to spread the works of woman authors you would need men and woman to buy it, her product is bright pick suggesting only women should read women’s books

    • @dextercool
      @dextercool 2 роки тому +5

      @@cookiekilbane5989 I agree that she shrunk her audience perhaps to her detriment but people trot out the word 'divisive' as if nicheing products or services to gender is a negative thing no matter what

    • @JAB2010
      @JAB2010 2 роки тому +1

      @@dextercool from a business standpoint, why would you arbitrarily pare down your potential audience from 100% of people to even 80%?

    • @mrhaltonok
      @mrhaltonok 2 роки тому +4

      By this logic, bras should be designed so that both men and women can wear them

  • @PapaSarto
    @PapaSarto 2 роки тому +2

    Sigh...Mr Steven Bartlett always seems to be so harsh and/or condescending towards Mr Touker Suleyman. I half expected him to say, "OK boomer" 😥Poor Mr Touker.

  • @frederickbowdler8169
    @frederickbowdler8169 Рік тому +1

    She seems sharper than the panel!

  • @amarieoflothlorien
    @amarieoflothlorien Рік тому +2

    Put in good books from good writers from either sex that appeal to both boys and girls.

  • @RB-qh7ix
    @RB-qh7ix Рік тому

    The company had 200k in the bank so investing even 50k at 25% would be free equity. I don’t see the risk!

  • @jarednil69
    @jarednil69 2 роки тому +5

    Haha Steven is wearing the scrunchie on his wrist 🤗

  • @gordonbennet1094
    @gordonbennet1094 2 роки тому +7

    Response of the 2 female dragons was incredible. They said selling to women was discriminatory against men. So are lipstick manufacturers. Dartboard manufacturers discriminate against people who don't play darts. Footfall manufacturers discriminate against cricketers. Bicycle helmet manufacturers discriminate againt people who don't have bikes. Etc, etc, etc.

    • @Roadjull
      @Roadjull 2 роки тому +13

      But I thought the point was to promote women writers to *everyone* because awareness & stuff?
      Men generally don't wear lipstick, but they can (and some will) read women writers. Your implication that there isn't a significant male-readership is false.
      Kudos to Sara and Debra for noticing the weird bias.

    • @Roverde
      @Roverde 2 роки тому

      This might be the dumbest comment ever. Books are general products. Every gender is interested in it. She deliberately alienates the male audience, which decreased her target market. The other products you mentioned, such as lipstick, is a feminine product to begin with. So it makes no sense selling it to men. Let me know if you want to learn more.

    • @coldestbeer
      @coldestbeer 2 роки тому

      Books; authors & their audience aren't gender specific. (Twilight & 50 shades of grey was written by a Man). Its also no the Man's fault their movies, books, superheroes or comics are more popular or best sellers. Not everything has to he socially Engineered. Men are the dominant genda. Andrew tate was right.
      (pls don't compare it to the mental popcorn of magazines & show how special you're. )

  • @darinherrick9224
    @darinherrick9224 Рік тому

    As a man, this product needs to exist...and exclude men. Now if they want to launch a separate male centric version, cool. But they got a good product that's on-target.

  • @grantmonaghan810
    @grantmonaghan810 Рік тому

    I think we all knew that Touka was going to ask for 30 percent ! 😊

  • @davet2825
    @davet2825 Рік тому +1

    I love the fact that no one knows how to spell Touker’s name. Maybe that’s the issue as if you secure a deal you’d want to message your family and friends saying “I’ve just secured a deal with” then one of the 5 I’ve seen would appear. I’d love him to be my dragon though. Along with Tej.

  • @Shrooms-up6sv
    @Shrooms-up6sv 2 роки тому +1

    Touker is a lycanthrope, not a lot of people realize that.

    • @McSynth
      @McSynth 2 роки тому

      You might want to lay off your intake until your brain returns to whatever is normal for you.

    • @Shrooms-up6sv
      @Shrooms-up6sv 2 роки тому

      @@McSynth I have hard evidence that he is indeed a Lycanthrope, I am perfectly sane!

  • @susanwaugh2383
    @susanwaugh2383 2 роки тому +10

    Let’s get women writing books because we can’t have men writing GCSE books without women having to equalise. Honestly the whole feminist attitude gets on my nerves and I’m a woman! So what if 80% are girls buying GCSE books written by men! Big deal. Are men stopping women from writing GCSE books? No!! It’s ridiculous these feminists always think that they have to compete!! I feel for men having to put up with this crap all the time

    • @TheQwaggs
      @TheQwaggs 2 роки тому

      You are too late, you girls did nothing to stop it and now you have what you got. Enjoy

    • @informationyes
      @informationyes 2 роки тому

      Feme ism used to be about equality of opportunity but now their idea of equality of outcome which is what drives this

  • @OperaJH
    @OperaJH Рік тому

    Sara said it exactly.

  • @stormchaser3115
    @stormchaser3115 Рік тому +5

    So good that Debra knows what a woman is unlike Keir Starmer

  • @nickolasslader2514
    @nickolasslader2514 2 роки тому +7

    She's spot on targeting females. Men tend to write for men and women write genres that appeal to other women. There is definitely cross over, but for a company promoting female writers, it makes sense to target that product at the writers general target audience, which also makes up 75% of the book reading market

    • @coldestbeer
      @coldestbeer 2 роки тому +4

      Makes sense considering most best sellers are written by men, so we feed the bottom tier writing by females to other females & leave out the good books for presumed 25% of the males, including but not limited to books in maths & science. Thats how we empower & social engineer a society.

    • @altustalent410
      @altustalent410 Рік тому

      Yes but women are already buying, maybe the problem isn't gender seeing as how the market is actually skewed towards women being the predominant buyers? Men are the excluded party and her ethos further establishes exclusivity, further alienating men? Not seeing the problem huh?

  • @ing9545
    @ing9545 2 роки тому +2

    Is Steven gay or not ?Just asking . No negative comments

  • @_OKEANOUS_
    @_OKEANOUS_ Рік тому

    I love reading books, I dont care whether author is male or female. Stop this division

  • @TaxingIsThieving
    @TaxingIsThieving 11 місяців тому +1

    I'm an avid reader, I often feel represented by male authors as they have female characters. There are a lot of woke female authors who don't interest me at all. Thanks for the division though.

  • @RealRushinRussian
    @RealRushinRussian 2 роки тому +12

    This is the first of these modern Dragon's Den episodes that I've seen, and my god Sarah looks a lot younger and better in this one. Definitely lost some weight and likely wears better makeup. Props to her

  • @shaunohagan1491
    @shaunohagan1491 2 роки тому +1

    Random thought, it's more than likely that Gay men will read books written for Women but Do Lesbian women read books written for men?

  • @xsirdavidianx
    @xsirdavidianx 2 роки тому +5

    I just think these feminists aren't paying attention to the world anymore. Equal rights have been around for ages, the reason guys don't really buy books nowadays is because we be playing our xbox or pc lol. I'd probably wager that 75%of men don't read books, they play games lol

    • @JessPen00
      @JessPen00 2 роки тому +3

      She’s not upset that men don’t buy books, she’s upset that most of the books studied in schools are written by men. Big difference.

    • @DM-rc4yu
      @DM-rc4yu Рік тому

      @@JessPen00 What is there to be upset about?

  • @peterpiper3808
    @peterpiper3808 2 роки тому

    They never put any money why even put them up there

  • @davidmcloughlin6547
    @davidmcloughlin6547 2 роки тому

    Touker at it again 🙄

  • @lollie1373
    @lollie1373 Рік тому +1

    Bartlett has no class. Bad business etiquette all round.

  • @informationyes
    @informationyes 2 роки тому

    I don't understand if woman are reading then what's the problem why is she making out theirs problem due to sex when their isn't one

  • @bobstirling6885
    @bobstirling6885 2 роки тому

    Not a very clever business strategy, alienate half of your potential market before you start....

  • @NaveedHassan1
    @NaveedHassan1 Рік тому +1

    This is everything that’s wrong with gender-based movements.

  • @shaunohagan1491
    @shaunohagan1491 2 роки тому

    Anyone still buy Playboy?

    • @TheQwaggs
      @TheQwaggs 2 роки тому

      Just subbed after watching this trash

  • @hearmenow909
    @hearmenow909 2 роки тому +1

    Molly was so not arsed when Sara said she was out. Like abrasive geordie Sara was ever in contention to be a dragon Molly would want to work with!

  • @shadaba.qureshi4367
    @shadaba.qureshi4367 2 роки тому

    Tuker did not want to invest therefore such an absurd ask. Feel sad, that women dragons choose to drop because the business centered only and only towards women.

  • @muratmhcoglu4184
    @muratmhcoglu4184 Рік тому

    Drew Barrymore has never sounded more sane.

  • @paulmcnallyfll8228
    @paulmcnallyfll8228 2 роки тому +5

    Sarah and Deborah with high horse comments 😴. You could imagine if someone came in and said it’s just for gays for example, they would say it was amazing. There is no harm in having a business promoting books and clubs for females what a load of nonsense. Says it all when the men were praising her and the women were acting the way they were 🤡😴

  • @businessandleadershipmentor
    @businessandleadershipmentor Рік тому +1

    Men supported her and women didn’t speak volumes

  • @jamesroberts1964
    @jamesroberts1964 Рік тому

    This views gender as binary where as the young people today see it as a spectrum.

  • @insideasimulation2667
    @insideasimulation2667 2 роки тому +12

    Debra is the definition of woke culture, what is wrong with a business that focuses on and promotes girls? Ridiculous.

    • @crouchingspider2001
      @crouchingspider2001 2 роки тому +6

      That's not the point Debra is making though. Just losing a significant market, including women with sons.

    • @insideasimulation2667
      @insideasimulation2667 2 роки тому +2

      @@crouchingspider2001 but that is the business...

    • @catherineogilvie616
      @catherineogilvie616 2 роки тому +2

      She said it was a good business just not one for herself to invest.

    • @BenjaminGoose
      @BenjaminGoose 2 роки тому +4

      @@insideasimulation2667 I thought the business was to promote female authors? That doesn't mean excluding a male readership.

    • @cookiekilbane5989
      @cookiekilbane5989 2 роки тому

      @@BenjaminGoose exactly

  • @ruthh5199
    @ruthh5199 Рік тому

    The irony that the female dragons voted themselves out ....

  • @BenjaminGoose
    @BenjaminGoose 2 роки тому +16

    Sexist af.

    • @brownbuter
      @brownbuter 2 роки тому +3

      What's sexist about that?..it focuses on females for females...trucks and mechanics are almost exclusively male, u don't blink an eye at that,don't cha now!

    • @margret-anisewelsh4365
      @margret-anisewelsh4365 2 роки тому +1

      literally not sexist?????

    • @mrhaltonok
      @mrhaltonok 2 роки тому +4

      Yep if a company was solely promoting books written by men for boys to read, there would be a lot of comments saying they should also be pushing female authors

    • @brownbuter
      @brownbuter 2 роки тому

      @@mrhaltonok most promoted authors are{white} men, yet 60 percent of buyers are females, what else do u want? I bet you are a white male, you want it all but white men are not the majority buyers ...

    • @susanwaugh2383
      @susanwaugh2383 2 роки тому +5

      100% agree and that’s coming from a female! The comment above about mechanics being mostly male and truck drivers…oh put a sock in it! Many supermarkets take on women delivery drivers (yes, trucks drivers ) because they want males and females to be given equal opportunities in the workplace. Also there are many female mechanics! I don’t believe for a minute that a man wouldn’t take on a female mechanic if she has what the company is looking for!
      Honestly I’m sick of feminists coming on this show with female only businesses because they state that they are not given the same opportunities as men, or if men can do this then so can we. When has men ever stopped them? It IS sexist and I feel sorry for males having to listen to this utter rubbish.

  • @techtitanuk5609
    @techtitanuk5609 2 роки тому

    Sorry but if there was a boy only club all hell would break lose

  • @patheally
    @patheally 2 роки тому +1

    I'm out!