@@riverriverchannel naw I live in Florida. And love how Real football and basketball are taking over. Millennials and zoomers follow and play both over hand egg
Fr this dude already had amazing credibility but he went hard with this one. Also shows why Josh, Lamar and Mahomes are crazy to exist all at the same time in the same conference with good teams.
Mobile QBs like Lamar, Josh Allen, Jayden Daniels are also allowing OC to have an advantage to run the ball out of the spread with dime and nickel packages. Versus the traditional I formation which may have 3 LBs and SS up in the box. It allows misdirection and keeping the defenses guessing. RPOs have also helped Lamar and Derrick Henry as both are a threat which means you cant just focus on eliminating one threat plugging the A+B gaps leads to more spafe outside of the tackles or outside/inside zone which created more backside lanes to attack the middle of the defense due to threat of Lamar pulling the ball down and scrambling out wide.
QB contracts play a role too, I think. With today's top tier QBs making north of $50M per year, there's an added allure to try to win a championship with a QB on their rookie contract, before they have to pay them. This encourages coaches to keep QBs playing a style they are familiar with, instead of letting them develop for a couple years the way they used to. Nowadays, when teams draft a QB early in the first round, they want them to be as close to pro ready as possible. And since the spread style offense is so prevalent in college, more QBs are sticking with it in the NFL today. I'm not saying any of this is a good thing or a bad thing. Just an observation. I've got no problem with players getting all the money they can.
Huge contracts also put selective pressure on using different skillsets. If everyone else is overpaying for one and you can make a different spread of skills nobody else wants work effectively, you get a better team around that guy. Until other teams copy it.
With QBs getting paid close to 300 million dollars, they better be a dual threat at the bare minimum, because they is no way a team can afford to give them an offensive line, RB, a defense, and elite outside weapons. Something has to give. Otherwise, you can forget about winning a championship once the QB gets his extension.
The only thing that held the trend back were the perceptions of injury risk and availability of the talent. Vince Young got drafted high and Vick was the first pick. The qbs that could run usually did as a part of the passing game rather than the running game, but Ray Lewis was allowed to do things to ball carriers back then. Bad things.
Lots of ignorant people that don't know NFL history.. always been daul threats but they just passed more because defense did not take it easy on hitting the QB...how about in the 60s Fran tarkinton,look up his numbers..the you have Steve ,, young,Roger staubach,John elway,ken Anderson Randall Cunningham and on and on
This reminds me of how basketball has gone the last 10 years. Being able to shoot has become a necessity to the point that if you can’t, it’s more difficult to get playing time.
@@iMixMaSteR1 Could argue for NBA. Can't argue for NFL which its viewership has increased in recent years as they try find other avenues to show games in other platforms. As well as Goodell trying to get greedy and trying to get a 18th regular season game while shortening preseason. Just follow the money.
Because they usually never fully develop as passing QBs. Also, they end up taking a lot more punishment outside the pocket while running shorting careers. See RG3
This is my main problem with Tua. He's not a running threat and with his injury history you don't want him to be. He can barely create more time in the pocket. Miami needs a run game to play action off of to be successful with Tua. Build that line Miami
Even Jayden Daniels with Kliff's run design/screen and short pass game is a testament of how they can move the ball downfield with 3 other RBs with different skillsets. Which is why as much as Lions fans are loyal to Goff (much like GM Brad Holmes is), a mobile QB with a decent arm and pocket presence is a very scary compliment to Gibbs/short yard mauler in the future.
I think Brees, Brady, manning, rivers, etc would be fine in the current league. Mobile QBs help teams bypass a lot of early development issues, because you can’t shorten the read process and run when the play isn’t there, where a non mobile qb would have to likely take the sack in said situation. I think in general most teams just aren’t good or patient enough to develop one who isn’t. Nor do they have the OL to either
I mean Stafford in 2022 after Brady won in 2021. And Stafford certainly ran more under center pass plays to compliment the play action looks along with shotgun. I don't think mobile QBs bypass developmental issues the way you think. If the mobile QB can't punish defenses enough when they load up the box or blitz by finding the right receiver match up in coverage (for the most part), the defense can feel alright selling out vs the run. Justin Fields 2022 season was like that. 1000+ yards rushing and a few games where he got scores gashing up defenses for that. But the defenses who were more prepared knew the kind of runs he was doing well with and forced him to try move the ball by being a pocket passer.
When you see penalties like the ones called against Houston yesterday, it sends a clear message that some quarterbacks are to be left alone while they carve up a helpless defense.
Been trying to explain how phantom roughing the passer calls have a psychological impact on defenses. Pass rushers fear giving an automatic first down so they arent as aggressive getting to the QB.
When I was a kid I saw NYG running QB Hostetler win a SB as a backup QB scrambling for key 1st downs. Randall Cunningham practically broke Madden '92. I said this has to be the future, its too unstoppable. How u gonna cover everyone and stop the 20 yard scramble? It took till 2012 for option tactics to make it to the pros. "Those college gimmicks will never work in the NFL". Well its 12 years later and I just saw Lamar Jackson , Jayden Daniels read defenders to keep or run or throw to win 2 playoff games.
The only reason QB's are succesful runners is they aren't allowed to be hit. In a game of inches at the pro level, that slight hesitation of whether the QB will slide, buys enough to create seperation. For crying out loud, their slide is just them cleating the defensive players. We need to eliminate the slide. If you are in the pocket, you are fully protected. If you escape the pocket, you can still through the ball away. Once you cross the line of scrimage, I vote you are no longer any form of protected runner. This slide also serves to put the QB in a vulnerable position when hit.
Lol eliminate the slide I don't think you know what the NFL wants. Most fans are basic and just want their wittle QB safe. That's just the cold reality, go watch 00s football or prime Cam if you want better. What you want is never gonna happen because there is too much money at stake. They're trying to go toe to toe with the Euro football clubs in their own markets. The NFL is just another corporation.
I agree and disagree, i feel like its important to "give yourself up" , but late slides need to be penalized, like what happen to trevor lawerence, and mahomes
So you watched this video detailing how much stress running the QB puts on a defense and your first thought was "Nah they just hit em", that's why it's good?
@@yaroslav64 no he’s saying if they were allowed to hit them without sliding the schematic advantages posed by making the box lighter would be nullified once he got hurt
I liked how you cover the little details such as coaching stubborness, evolving offensive systems and young players growing into those systems understanding they needed to learn to scramble OR play pocket QB. The run game has certainly come back but not the way some folks wearing rose tinted glasses expected. RB duos are nice but the Commanders essentially having 4 with different skillsets was a pretty clever idea to keep things simple for Jayden Daniels at the start. Thing is even the non-super scrambly QBs can get in on this running action too with designed plays in the red zone. Bo Nix got in the action and got 4 TDs with his legs and Purdy got 5. If there is one QB that will have that question looming in their heads, its definitely Jordan Love. He's not a twitchy athlete but him having designed run plays could compliment the Packers run game. As well as keep defenses honest knowing he can take off and not just put the ball in the air if given time behind the LOS.
Gonna depend on how good the QB is at avoiding hits. Lamar’s freakishly good at rarely getting hit, but a lot of QBs can’t do it. Being fast is very different from being a smart runner, plus you need agility to avoid hits. QBs with just straight line speed won’t be as durable.
Its been proven that what hurts QB on average taking hits is standing in the pocket than moving forward running with the ball. That also doesn't take into account the actual durability/size (to take hits)/personal conditioning of QBs. The guy to watch in the near future is Jayden Daniels because the only knock about him even as a great scrambler is his 210 lb build won't let him tank too many big hits in the season.
And they'll never be better than Tom Brady and or Peyton Manning. The pocket Passer will always be King no matter how you try and dreas it up. They had to change the rules and make the NFL softer for these "mobile QB's" to succeed because they get crunched up like a two dollar snickers if they played back when defenders were allowed to play football. 🤷
The comp to basketball is the 3. Theres an analytic case for having a QB who can run and throw, because it makes you defend more players in the run game and because it forces the defense to choose how they're going to defend the play. And in forcing that choice, it spreads the field. Lastly, I think the league is going to force the lead footed QBs out, in the same way that the NBA is leading players who can't shoot the 3 to be unplayable.
I don't think the basketball 3ball is the comp. Even college offenses can get their space by formations and use RPOs to work on mismatches. The Lions without a scrambling QB could still get space by their schemes with their threat to punch big yards on the ground and usage of pre-snap motion. Thing is at minimum an NFL offense that wants to thrive with play action with talented runners needs a 'mobile' QB. Falcons passing offense fell apart slowly because they couldn't utilize Cousins in play action looks because he's not as mobile as he was. If anything scrambling QBs get the benefit of having more space to run in spread style formations. Finally if a lead foot QB can still play pass in the pocket, they are still valuable to bad teams looking for a starting QB. The playoffs however with having the best talents and schemes is a different situation altogether where every advantage for the offense counts.
Imo, there's only two exceptions to this rule. 1) You have the most elite pocket passer. Tom Brady was able to win recently because he had everything else. Pocket awareness, exceptional decision-making, quick release, good arm strength, high play IQ, etc. Peyton was similar but played chess with the defense before the snap. 2) A stud team to build around a more traditional pocket passer on a smalker/rookie scale contract (Goff /Purdy even though Purdy actually has wheels) or mortgage the future for a SB (Stafford). We used to have to choose between the types. The fact that the most anticipated game is between Ravens and Bills is a testament to the evolution of the game because now you're watching essentially something between a hybrid Vick/Rodgers (Jackson) and Cam/Farve (Allen) go head to head. Something people would create in madden. J Daniels is definitely next up but he needs to learn how to avoid hits.
he will become irrevelant just like every other running QB, that style of play cheapens the game , ask yourself do you want to see a smart QB in the pocket making smart decisions or a dumb one who takes off scoring like Jalen Milroe
@@alisterbouyea4594Jalen legit isn’t a qb. That what you have to avoid. It’s like a percentage thing You should want at least 60% qb Jalen is like 30% lmao
I mean the offense that orginated the modern QB wanted a converted Tailback from the Single-Wing as QB if they couldn't find an already trained up neo T Formation QB and Single-Wing TBs were essentially that days version of the dual threat QB. The pocket wasn't even a thing until the 1940s. So the offense most modern offenses come from assumed a dual threat QB and by the way the position and the offense built around that position that they wanted to convert to QB, the Single-Wing TB, was built for the 1912 Olympic Gold Medalist in the Decathlon and first great star of American Football Jim Thorpe. What's weird is that we got away from it. We were still doing it until the 1970s with guys like Fran Tarkenton before somehow guys like Norm Van Brocklin made it taboo. Also the buck lateral series from the original Single-Wing has some aspects of the rpo read option. All of this is ancient as shit.
I didn't have time to cover the whole early histopry of the game - but this certainly was a big part until the 50s What happened, and why they went away from it is mostly attributed to the 51 rams working out how to bomb the ball downfield - it caused a lot of the league to evaluate the way they looked at the pass, and subsequently the league as a whole If I ever get a22 film of them (I doubt it even exists) I'll cover what they did to change the league
@ThinkingFootball didn't the Cleveland Browns already develop that style? Was it just that people thought a guy like Otto Graham wasn't replicatable, but Van Brocklin was?
@ Yes they absolutely did - as did Sammy Baugh in Washington - but it took until that 51 season for the league to really styart to move in that direction - from my understanding of the game Much like the Colts jumping the trend of spread shotgun - they were first to move to it as a base offense, but it took the 07 patriots to blow everyones doors off for the league to think "damn we better be doing this too"
So you want the league to have more trashy running QB's, they just cheapen the game, why have a running back then if your greedy QB just wants to score and gain yards
@@alisterbouyea4594 Because why not have have more functional running backs so the defense can't essentially put numbers in the box to get advantage? Dummy.
@@alisterbouyea4594 Firstly, I'm a Rams fan who likes Stafford very much, hence my comment. I didn't even indicate what my position was on dual threat QBs. But do I want the next Rams QB to be a dual threat? 100% I dread every opponent we face that has a mobile QB who can scramble or get third downs when most needed on his feet. It doesn't cheapen the game at all, it makes it very annoying for defences that have to go up against it, but it's great to have more athleticism at the QB position. Some of the best plays in a game are QB scrambles that find someone random after 5 seconds of being chased by defenders, or a QB like Lamar or Josh Allen spin moving or hurdling defenders.
Great content as always. In Tony Dungy's (black QB) book he talks about how he knew he wasn't that great and he went undrafted but then he saw that some white QB's that did get drafted were just BAD.
It's true the QB under center schemes are slowly disappearing. Perhaps in a few years, when defences adjust to solve this RPOs plays, simple QB under center schemes will schred the defenses. Love how this game reinvents itself
QB under center still schemes still exist. In fact mobile QBs benefit with having a really good under center run game. Because it then feeds into play action which mobile QBs can execute. Mix that up with the shotgun/RPO stuff and its really difficult to target the tendencies of the offense. Defenses stack the box and they still have to pick their poison of the QB designed run or their coverage being good enough to play man.
Mahomes has given the mobile QB the blueprint to how to be effective, which is to scramble to pass not run. Also, QBs just aren’t as knowledgeable as Manning, Brady, Brees, etc. Mobile QBs are a cheat code. Scramble-break the play- wait for a tight end to get open over the middle
I'm glad you spoke on the historic stereotyping of Black QBs. Like many things Black people create, what was once dismissed as a limitation (and if we're going there, a sign of inferiority) may now be sought after by many. I'm posting this comment on MLK day, so shouts to all of the Black and POC leaders who came before us. Lastly, GO LIONS!!! #OnePride 🦁
Been plenty of white Mobile QBs, I would argue half the white QBs in the NFL were pretty mobile, even Brett farve could by time for 5 seconds throwing missiles...it's not all about running for 25 yrds
The rules favor rushing QBs now so I would say yes. Mobile QBs existed before but it was also a good way to have a short career. And also, the evolution of the schemes have improved to take advantage of the numbers advantage that it beings
Do they NEED to be? No, so long as they can get the ball out fast they don't NEED to be mobile. However having legs forces your opponents to play around that, so if you don't then that DOES make your job harder as the defenses can focus more on other areas.
I agree with just about everything you put here. However there's one fundamental rule that won't ever change. THat is - if you can't pass, you can't play QB in the NFL. If you can't run but you can pass you can still be a successful QB. If you can pass and you can run too, that adds an extra dimension. But if you can't pass - no amount of running is going to make you capable of playing QB at the NFL level.
It's the natural response to dlinemen and Edge rushers running 4.5-4.7 40's. If the Edge rusher can go 4.5 you need a QB who can run 4.8 or lower to get him away from the guy.
Do QBs need to be mobile? Yes. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk But seriously, yes. The NFL made several rules changes in the early 2000s that were designed at protecting QBs. Those rule changes allowed for the changes in the QB position. Mike Vick was limited to scrambling because it was widely considered that a QB wouldn’t last in the NFL if they were exposed to the violence of NFL defense. The rules eliminated most of that violence allowed against the QB outside the pocket.
I mean many Offense play callers weren't really keen on combining a QBs mobility with playing a dink and dunk type offense. At least not until Cam's 2018 season where under Norv Turner he did play something akin to that passing offense.
I feel like the growth and rise of mobile athletic qbs causes gms to build less around the qb slacking on good o line men because the qb can out run linemen in hawk fan and it kind of makes sense Russell’s mobility helped extend plays and John Schneider still refuses to build on the offensive line having a mobile is great but I don’t think that should be a huge requirement if he can sit in the pocket and you build a good offensive line around him to give him a lot of time and he can make good reads he’s still a good qb I feel like There is a narrative if he’s not athletic and he’s a pocket passer he can’t be elite or he’s a game manager or he isn’t elevating his team but with the atheletes now pocket passers are going to turn into improvisers
Steve young ran a 4.4 40... Randal Cunningham? Fran tarkinton in the 60s/70s averaged 5.5 yrds a carry and threw for 47 k yrds, 347 tds and 32 rushing tds In a defense and running back era! He also rushed for 3700 yrds Lol
I think it’s easier to coach a running QB A pocket passer, The QB is needs to read everything after the snap. The coach reads the read D at pre-snap. Running QB is also easier to draft with constantly. Mobile QB is not new. It how it’s was played 100 years ago.
So heres my question: im an eagles fan, and i remember watching chip kelly's eagles. It seemed like a lot of teams just said "every time you option, we're just gonna hit your quarterback." That seemed sufficient to stop chip and his scheme. What has changed?
Not many super bowl victories by guys that are predominantly run first talents and cant properly read a def though. The other downside is running QBs severely limit their longevity. Coaches will always prioritize short term success over a players longevity though Pocket passers who can still effectively scramble are still the sweet spot
It is true that it's the age of the mobile qb. Every qb in the championship games is a deadly weapon with their legs...but think about the fact that Tom Brady, who runs like a newborn giraffe, won a Superbowl at 43 sharing a league with three out of the 4 current championship QBs...Anything is possible yall
I absolutely disagree the game is as brutal as it was then. The current player safety rules is the exact reason it's not. You can't have it both ways. That said, I'm all for player safety and the game is in a much better place for everyone involved.
Even Tom Brady 4.7 ass was mobile. The game hasn't changed like that QBs still go through there progressions but when you can run 4.3 it helps extend plays by a second or gain an extra 5 yards
No, you don't need to be mobile, but if you aren't mobile , then you need to be prolific from the pocket. Stafford is slow as dirt, but still easily a top 10 QB and someone who can take over games with his arm.
To everyone saying that its good for the sport, I just want to let everyone know this style of play would be shut down more often if defenses were allowed to be more physical against QBs.
Interestingly, the only remaining statue QB in the playoffs is Matt Stafford whose team is a 7 point underdog. There is definitely a true evolution in the game happening that some folks are a little salty about. No one is truly competing without a QB with mobility. And the true contenders are all designing at least some offense in which the QB is a threat as a ball carrier. All the thinly veiled racist talk about how only the "pocket passer" is the intellectual who can "truly win the game" is getting incinerated and tossed on the ash heap of sports history.
Stafford is less of a statue than Cousins this season. McVay does run play action passes mixed with shotgun passes for Stafford. Especially since the Rams have been building on their inside/power run game to punish teams that choose to play light boxes against them.
9:42 yeah, but also the new passing and QBs rules totally did not help this become the case Just imagine how amazing guys like Vick, McNair, and Moon wpuld be in today's 'offense favoring' rules similar to the NBA. Which has only succeeded to harm the ability to play defense in both leagues 🙄😮💨
Mobility is required now because you can’t hit office of players. Every single one of these guys if they played in the 70s would not be good. Even in the 1980s they wouldn’t be able to last long. This is why I don’t buy into anything that says a player. Today is the best quarterback ever it just won’t happen.
For the sake of argument, in the last 20 years only 2 mobile QB’s have won the SB, Mr Unlimited and Pat Mahomes. Only 2 others have even made it to the SB, Newton and Hurts. While this is an entertaining & trait to have in a QB, there is an argument to be made that it doesn’t win SB’s. Maybe things are changing though.
Let's make it since Cam Entered the league as that's when it really started to take off Since then Cam, Hurts, Russ and Mahomes have all made the Superbowl - winning 4 4 in 13 years and 3 of them happening in the last 5 All QBs in the championship round are mobile The time is now
Simple answer: no. Tom Brady (pocket passer) went to the Super Bowl 49% of his career, he has a higher percentage of going to the Super Bowl than Steph curry does to hit a 3. And he was a pure pocket passer. You could argue that there is not qbs who can read a defense quite like him anymore, I would agree. Or you could just say he’s the acception. And don’t give me different era bs, he won a Super Bowl recent enough. I think the raw athletic of a qb has been more pronounced in these last few drafts but that makes for qbs who can run and pass (very entertaining) but don’t really excel greatly in one because they use both so heavily. A great example of this is Lamar. Great athlete, crazy stats, but when he’s forced to pass, he simply cannot do it to the level of someone like a mahomes or Brady
Hot take, but mobile QBs are ruining the sport. QBs can do whatever they want by fake sliding. The defender either tackle the QB for a unnecessary roughness penalty or they hesitate and the QB rushes for 30+ yards. I guarantee that within 2 years a defender is over it and in the heat of the moment hits a QB hard and ends his career. Something needs to change.
@ No not really - terrible opinions dont deserve their own space. Running QBs have always been a part of the game and are certainly not ruining it. Also the whole 'I bet a defender is over it' literally happened this year in the Houston Jacksonville game - and he was rightfully clowned by everyone and suspended.
lmao the Eagles made it to the SB in 2022 practically running a HS offense but having amazing athletes. Meanwhile you got these bottom feeder teams with OCs trying to replicate a 2018 McVay offense with a rookie QB and getting fired for their job with the inability to get results. Sometimes its all about Keeping It Super Simple.
Defenses need to go back to the smash mouth 250-260 lb MLB. They need to punish a team for running with their QB, an element of pain needs to be dealt to the QB every time he decides to run the ball.
Those 250lb LBers died because they can't chase anyone in the modern game Good luck getting them to cover slot receivers going to the post or running QBs to the edge Big run stuffing linebackers are extinct, and they ain't coming back
@@ThinkingFootball Yeah you are probably right ... until the NFL realizes this powder puff form of football is driving fans away and change the rules to favor football players again. Back in the old days the 160 pound WR would be put in the hospital if he dared run a route over the middle, and a QB scrambler usual got injured before the season was over.
I'm worried about the longevity of the QBs. As protected as they are, we all know the shelf life of RBs. If a QB *have* to be mobile and quick, where does the wily 10 year veteran QB fit? If the league is going to be a rotating cast of under-27s that still have 2 functional knees, where is the talent going to come from? College can only produce so much NFL talent every year and there's no global talent base to pull from like the NBA.
Lamar in 2019 only had 176 rush attempts. Most teams don't even have a work horse RB that has 170 something rush attempts. With how rare a franchise QB is still, the most important thing for them is that they are competent pocket passers that can work in structure to move the ball in the pass game. It is up to OCs to be creative with how that QB can get involved in the run game especially in red zone/goal line situations even if the QB isn't a super athlete. What makes Mahomes so good as a scrambler even though he's not uber athletic is his ability throw on the move. But also reading defenses/angles and getting as much yardage as he can with his legs even if he's bumped out of bounds.
Goff didnt lose to washington becauee he wasnt mobile. He lost becauee he didnt hold onto the ball leading to a funble, made a bad read instead of checking it down to laporta (hes been bad in zone this seaosn) and didnt lort the ball to jameson williams which l3d to a pick. If he executed from the pocket better , they wouldve stood a better chsnce of winnig
Why is youtube recomending me this crap boring sport??
You probably live in the third world
Damn dude wtf do you find fun?
Average mid soccer fan soccer is ass nba just shoots a ball and baseball is kinda boring copier harder
@@riverriverchannel naw I live in Florida. And love how Real football and basketball are taking over. Millennials and zoomers follow and play both over hand egg
@@1tannheimer sure bud. Your sport is not even popular enough to be in the Olympics
Uploading this before Washington beat Detroit is crazy
Fr this dude already had amazing credibility but he went hard with this one. Also shows why Josh, Lamar and Mahomes are crazy to exist all at the same time in the same conference with good teams.
"Chargers....the fuck is ya'll doin?" killed me
Lmaooo I came to the comments for that 😂
Mobile QBs like Lamar, Josh Allen, Jayden Daniels are also allowing OC to have an advantage to run the ball out of the spread with dime and nickel packages. Versus the traditional I formation which may have 3 LBs and SS up in the box.
It allows misdirection and keeping the defenses guessing.
RPOs have also helped Lamar and Derrick Henry as both are a threat which means you cant just focus on eliminating one threat plugging the A+B gaps leads to more spafe outside of the tackles or outside/inside zone which created more backside lanes to attack the middle of the defense due to threat of Lamar pulling the ball down and scrambling out wide.
Wait until these coordinators realize that you CAN run option from the I formation
There has always been Mobile QBs since the 60s , nothing new...also been a hell of a lot of bad mobile QBs as well...
QB contracts play a role too, I think. With today's top tier QBs making north of $50M per year, there's an added allure to try to win a championship with a QB on their rookie contract, before they have to pay them. This encourages coaches to keep QBs playing a style they are familiar with, instead of letting them develop for a couple years the way they used to. Nowadays, when teams draft a QB early in the first round, they want them to be as close to pro ready as possible. And since the spread style offense is so prevalent in college, more QBs are sticking with it in the NFL today. I'm not saying any of this is a good thing or a bad thing. Just an observation. I've got no problem with players getting all the money they can.
Huge contracts also put selective pressure on using different skillsets. If everyone else is overpaying for one and you can make a different spread of skills nobody else wants work effectively, you get a better team around that guy. Until other teams copy it.
With QBs getting paid close to 300 million dollars, they better be a dual threat at the bare minimum, because they is no way a team can afford to give them an offensive line, RB, a defense, and elite outside weapons. Something has to give. Otherwise, you can forget about winning a championship once the QB gets his extension.
Trevor Lawrence 😢.
It just takes a good GM, look at the eagles
Jalen, Saquan, best OLine, second best defense, 2 elite WR, good TE
I know he played poorly yesterday but Goff fits that description. Stafford has a little mobility, but he's still predominantly a pocket passer.
@@nothing9260brother u just used a mobile qb in the example🤦🏽♂️
@@zackhurwitz9441Goff is absolutely not a dual threat qb
I have a much better appreciation of the game since I started watching your videos. Keep up the good work
The only thing that held the trend back were the perceptions of injury risk and availability of the talent. Vince Young got drafted high and Vick was the first pick. The qbs that could run usually did as a part of the passing game rather than the running game, but Ray Lewis was allowed to do things to ball carriers back then. Bad things.
facts. The rule changes for defenses allow the running qb to be effective
Lots of ignorant people that don't know NFL history.. always been daul threats but they just passed more because defense did not take it easy on hitting the QB...how about in the 60s Fran tarkinton,look up his numbers..the you have Steve ,, young,Roger staubach,John elway,ken Anderson Randall Cunningham and on and on
This reminds me of how basketball has gone the last 10 years. Being able to shoot has become a necessity to the point that if you can’t, it’s more difficult to get playing time.
yes its harder nowadays
Which interestingly has lead to a downfall in viewership.
@@iMixMaSteR1 Could argue for NBA. Can't argue for NFL which its viewership has increased in recent years as they try find other avenues to show games in other platforms. As well as Goodell trying to get greedy and trying to get a 18th regular season game while shortening preseason. Just follow the money.
I don’t even get why people hate(d) on mobile/rushing QB’s? It’s entertaining, just enjoy good football. 😂
What a weird comment
@@IndexInvestingWithColeSome people have to make up fake rage that didn’t exist in order to build a narrative.
Because they usually never fully develop as passing QBs. Also, they end up taking a lot more punishment outside the pocket while running shorting careers. See RG3
@@seasidejoe9037he literally said facts lol wasn’t rage at all either why gaslight in UA-cam comments lol
@@iwishyouwould6937that’s just untrue, the pocket has always been the most dangerous place for a qb to be. See Lamar Jackson
This is my main problem with Tua. He's not a running threat and with his injury history you don't want him to be. He can barely create more time in the pocket. Miami needs a run game to play action off of to be successful with Tua. Build that line Miami
Miami has a bottom 5 o line year in year out. That's the problem, not Tua.
@Brian-fk8zr you didn't read my whole comment lol
This is some of the best analysis on youtube man props
Lamar is proving that it is ideal to have a mobile QB. Especially if you have a top 5 RB
Lamar and Henry open eachother up for yards so much its crazy.
Even Jayden Daniels with Kliff's run design/screen and short pass game is a testament of how they can move the ball downfield with 3 other RBs with different skillsets. Which is why as much as Lions fans are loyal to Goff (much like GM Brad Holmes is), a mobile QB with a decent arm and pocket presence is a very scary compliment to Gibbs/short yard mauler in the future.
I think Brees, Brady, manning, rivers, etc would be fine in the current league.
Mobile QBs help teams bypass a lot of early development issues, because you can’t shorten the read process and run when the play isn’t there, where a non mobile qb would have to likely take the sack in said situation.
I think in general most teams just aren’t good or patient enough to develop one who isn’t. Nor do they have the OL to either
brady already played and won the superbowl in the "current league"
I mean Stafford in 2022 after Brady won in 2021. And Stafford certainly ran more under center pass plays to compliment the play action looks along with shotgun. I don't think mobile QBs bypass developmental issues the way you think. If the mobile QB can't punish defenses enough when they load up the box or blitz by finding the right receiver match up in coverage (for the most part), the defense can feel alright selling out vs the run. Justin Fields 2022 season was like that. 1000+ yards rushing and a few games where he got scores gashing up defenses for that. But the defenses who were more prepared knew the kind of runs he was doing well with and forced him to try move the ball by being a pocket passer.
When you see penalties like the ones called against Houston yesterday, it sends a clear message that some quarterbacks are to be left alone while they carve up a helpless defense.
Been trying to explain how phantom roughing the passer calls have a psychological impact on defenses. Pass rushers fear giving an automatic first down so they arent as aggressive getting to the QB.
When I was a kid I saw NYG running QB Hostetler win a SB as a backup QB scrambling for key 1st downs. Randall Cunningham practically broke Madden '92. I said this has to be the future, its too unstoppable. How u gonna cover everyone and stop the 20 yard scramble? It took till 2012 for option tactics to make it to the pros. "Those college gimmicks will never work in the NFL". Well its 12 years later and I just saw Lamar Jackson , Jayden Daniels read defenders to keep or run or throw to win 2 playoff games.
Look how that worked out for lamar
@@acenotsmooth1738 And who won? Another running QB. All the QBs left can run and pass. Lamar lost mainly because they didn't design run for him
Seems the key is blitzing these running QBs while taking away the first read. Cooked
@@TheGlodStar yea, now look at the Super Bowl match up.
@@acenotsmooth1738 where is the pocket passer?
The only reason QB's are succesful runners is they aren't allowed to be hit. In a game of inches at the pro level, that slight hesitation of whether the QB will slide, buys enough to create seperation. For crying out loud, their slide is just them cleating the defensive players. We need to eliminate the slide. If you are in the pocket, you are fully protected. If you escape the pocket, you can still through the ball away. Once you cross the line of scrimage, I vote you are no longer any form of protected runner. This slide also serves to put the QB in a vulnerable position when hit.
Lol eliminate the slide I don't think you know what the NFL wants. Most fans are basic and just want their wittle QB safe. That's just the cold reality, go watch 00s football or prime Cam if you want better. What you want is never gonna happen because there is too much money at stake. They're trying to go toe to toe with the Euro football clubs in their own markets. The NFL is just another corporation.
I agree and disagree, i feel like its important to "give yourself up" , but late slides need to be penalized, like what happen to trevor lawerence, and mahomes
QB flopping like what Mahomes and Allen do on a regular basis should be an unsportsmanlike conduct foul.
So you watched this video detailing how much stress running the QB puts on a defense and your first thought was "Nah they just hit em", that's why it's good?
@@yaroslav64 no he’s saying if they were allowed to hit them without sliding the schematic advantages posed by making the box lighter would be nullified once he got hurt
I liked how you cover the little details such as coaching stubborness, evolving offensive systems and young players growing into those systems understanding they needed to learn to scramble OR play pocket QB. The run game has certainly come back but not the way some folks wearing rose tinted glasses expected. RB duos are nice but the Commanders essentially having 4 with different skillsets was a pretty clever idea to keep things simple for Jayden Daniels at the start. Thing is even the non-super scrambly QBs can get in on this running action too with designed plays in the red zone. Bo Nix got in the action and got 4 TDs with his legs and Purdy got 5. If there is one QB that will have that question looming in their heads, its definitely Jordan Love. He's not a twitchy athlete but him having designed run plays could compliment the Packers run game. As well as keep defenses honest knowing he can take off and not just put the ball in the air if given time behind the LOS.
Bruh, how can I give you cash so you can keep this up
Patreon.com/thinkingfootball
It will be interesting to see how this shift affects QB longevity.
The QB can dictate the amount of contact they want to take. Lamar won MVP in 2019 because he regularly ran out of bounds
Gonna depend on how good the QB is at avoiding hits. Lamar’s freakishly good at rarely getting hit, but a lot of QBs can’t do it. Being fast is very different from being a smart runner, plus you need agility to avoid hits. QBs with just straight line speed won’t be as durable.
Its been proven that what hurts QB on average taking hits is standing in the pocket than moving forward running with the ball. That also doesn't take into account the actual durability/size (to take hits)/personal conditioning of QBs. The guy to watch in the near future is Jayden Daniels because the only knock about him even as a great scrambler is his 210 lb build won't let him tank too many big hits in the season.
It won't it's flag football now...been mobile QBs since the 60s...Steve Young ran a 4.4 40 yrd dash
How fitting when he look like prime joe vick vs the lions rn.
And they'll never be better than Tom Brady and or Peyton Manning. The pocket Passer will always be King no matter how you try and dreas it up. They had to change the rules and make the NFL softer for these "mobile QB's" to succeed because they get crunched up like a two dollar snickers if they played back when defenders were allowed to play football. 🤷
As a chargers fan that was crazy 🤣🤣🤣 we just caught the craziest stray, we have better examples
The comp to basketball is the 3. Theres an analytic case for having a QB who can run and throw, because it makes you defend more players in the run game and because it forces the defense to choose how they're going to defend the play. And in forcing that choice, it spreads the field. Lastly, I think the league is going to force the lead footed QBs out, in the same way that the NBA is leading players who can't shoot the 3 to be unplayable.
I don't think the basketball 3ball is the comp. Even college offenses can get their space by formations and use RPOs to work on mismatches. The Lions without a scrambling QB could still get space by their schemes with their threat to punch big yards on the ground and usage of pre-snap motion. Thing is at minimum an NFL offense that wants to thrive with play action with talented runners needs a 'mobile' QB. Falcons passing offense fell apart slowly because they couldn't utilize Cousins in play action looks because he's not as mobile as he was. If anything scrambling QBs get the benefit of having more space to run in spread style formations. Finally if a lead foot QB can still play pass in the pocket, they are still valuable to bad teams looking for a starting QB. The playoffs however with having the best talents and schemes is a different situation altogether where every advantage for the offense counts.
Noti hit right on time 🔥🔥
Imo, there's only two exceptions to this rule.
1) You have the most elite pocket passer. Tom Brady was able to win recently because he had everything else. Pocket awareness, exceptional decision-making, quick release, good arm strength, high play IQ, etc. Peyton was similar but played chess with the defense before the snap.
2) A stud team to build around a more traditional pocket passer on a smalker/rookie scale contract (Goff /Purdy even though Purdy actually has wheels) or mortgage the future for a SB (Stafford).
We used to have to choose between the types. The fact that the most anticipated game is between Ravens and Bills is a testament to the evolution of the game because now you're watching essentially something between a hybrid Vick/Rodgers (Jackson) and Cam/Farve (Allen) go head to head. Something people would create in madden.
J Daniels is definitely next up but he needs to learn how to avoid hits.
he will become irrevelant just like every other running QB, that style of play cheapens the game , ask yourself do you want to see a smart QB in the pocket making smart decisions or a dumb one who takes off scoring like Jalen Milroe
@@alisterbouyea4594Jalen legit isn’t a qb. That what you have to avoid. It’s like a percentage thing
You should want at least 60% qb
Jalen is like 30% lmao
Lamar rlly made the running QB relevant in 2019
Tell me you started watching on the last 5 years without telling me who started watching in the last 5 years
@ obviously Vick existed. Im saying in this current era dummy
@ He didnt even start this current era - Cam did
Pay attention to the the video, dummy
Boys boys 😅
I mean the offense that orginated the modern QB wanted a converted Tailback from the Single-Wing as QB if they couldn't find an already trained up neo T Formation QB and Single-Wing TBs were essentially that days version of the dual threat QB. The pocket wasn't even a thing until the 1940s. So the offense most modern offenses come from assumed a dual threat QB and by the way the position and the offense built around that position that they wanted to convert to QB, the Single-Wing TB, was built for the 1912 Olympic Gold Medalist in the Decathlon and first great star of American Football Jim Thorpe.
What's weird is that we got away from it. We were still doing it until the 1970s with guys like Fran Tarkenton before somehow guys like Norm Van Brocklin made it taboo. Also the buck lateral series from the original Single-Wing has some aspects of the rpo read option. All of this is ancient as shit.
I didn't have time to cover the whole early histopry of the game - but this certainly was a big part until the 50s
What happened, and why they went away from it is mostly attributed to the 51 rams working out how to bomb the ball downfield - it caused a lot of the league to evaluate the way they looked at the pass, and subsequently the league as a whole
If I ever get a22 film of them (I doubt it even exists) I'll cover what they did to change the league
@ThinkingFootball didn't the Cleveland Browns already develop that style? Was it just that people thought a guy like Otto Graham wasn't replicatable, but Van Brocklin was?
@ Yes they absolutely did - as did Sammy Baugh in Washington - but it took until that 51 season for the league to really styart to move in that direction - from my understanding of the game
Much like the Colts jumping the trend of spread shotgun - they were first to move to it as a base offense, but it took the 07 patriots to blow everyones doors off for the league to think "damn we better be doing this too"
Stafford now the only man waving the flag for old fashioned immobile QBs that rely purely on their arm.
So you want the league to have more trashy running QB's, they just cheapen the game, why have a running back then if your greedy QB just wants to score and gain yards
@@alisterbouyea4594 Because why not have have more functional running backs so the defense can't essentially put numbers in the box to get advantage? Dummy.
@@alisterbouyea4594 Firstly, I'm a Rams fan who likes Stafford very much, hence my comment. I didn't even indicate what my position was on dual threat QBs.
But do I want the next Rams QB to be a dual threat? 100%
I dread every opponent we face that has a mobile QB who can scramble or get third downs when most needed on his feet.
It doesn't cheapen the game at all, it makes it very annoying for defences that have to go up against it, but it's great to have more athleticism at the QB position. Some of the best plays in a game are QB scrambles that find someone random after 5 seconds of being chased by defenders, or a QB like Lamar or Josh Allen spin moving or hurdling defenders.
Always love when you upload
Great work bro!!
seeing mobile qbs is so nice when your team (raiders) has a qb like aiden o'connell who for the life of me cant run a measly 5 years up the field
“Cmon chargers, fuck is y’all doing” 😂 I laughed out loud
This is why I want the Titans to draft Cam Ward over Shedeur Sanders
I've seen the film, I don't think you want him either
Lol you want a dumb greedy QB, who abandoned his team in a bowl game to set a record and then leave them to lose, yea go ahead draft him
Great content as always. In Tony Dungy's (black QB) book he talks about how he knew he wasn't that great and he went undrafted but then he saw that some white QB's that did get drafted were just BAD.
Took them long enough, CFB has been on this for as long as I can remember. The lateral needs to make a major comeback.
we're another year closer to my dream offense of the dual running/passing threat qb wishbone
It's true the QB under center schemes are slowly disappearing. Perhaps in a few years, when defences adjust to solve this RPOs plays, simple QB under center schemes will schred the defenses. Love how this game reinvents itself
We are already there! I wish more teams would use 3 step drop from under center - it's such an obvious exploit Vs today's defensive structures
QB under center still schemes still exist. In fact mobile QBs benefit with having a really good under center run game. Because it then feeds into play action which mobile QBs can execute. Mix that up with the shotgun/RPO stuff and its really difficult to target the tendencies of the offense. Defenses stack the box and they still have to pick their poison of the QB designed run or their coverage being good enough to play man.
Mahomes has given the mobile QB the blueprint to how to be effective, which is to scramble to pass not run. Also, QBs just aren’t as knowledgeable as Manning, Brady, Brees, etc. Mobile QBs are a cheat code. Scramble-break the play- wait for a tight end to get open over the middle
Throw in that QBs can slide and be totally protected and the offense has all the advantages with none of the downside.
As long as defenses aren't allowed to deck the quarterback when he runs, yeah, running helps
someone explain how Aaron Glenn’s defense was shredded by classic kingsbury rpos
5:54 I’m biased but I have never seen a better throw
Not if they have blockers that can block long enough to throw it!
I'm glad you spoke on the historic stereotyping of Black QBs. Like many things Black people create, what was once dismissed as a limitation (and if we're going there, a sign of inferiority) may now be sought after by many. I'm posting this comment on MLK day, so shouts to all of the Black and POC leaders who came before us. Lastly, GO LIONS!!! #OnePride 🦁
Been plenty of white Mobile QBs, I would argue half the white QBs in the NFL were pretty mobile, even Brett farve could by time for 5 seconds throwing missiles...it's not all about running for 25 yrds
The rules favor rushing QBs now so I would say yes. Mobile QBs existed before but it was also a good way to have a short career. And also, the evolution of the schemes have improved to take advantage of the numbers advantage that it beings
That's right the NFL used to be kill the QB, now they're protected...Steve young with a 4.4 40 yrd he had 8 concussions
Would love to see the proto-legends who could throw and run at the high school and college levels before the NFL internalized its value
It only works to the extent it does now because it's a flag football league..been mobile QBs since the 60s
I wish Cam was more successful and stayed in Carolina longer.
6:35 just dunking on the chargers lol
I watched that live and I was thinking the same thing. Easily the worst game of Herbert's career.
What you think this means for Shadeur?
Do they NEED to be? No, so long as they can get the ball out fast they don't NEED to be mobile. However having legs forces your opponents to play around that, so if you don't then that DOES make your job harder as the defenses can focus more on other areas.
I agree with just about everything you put here. However there's one fundamental rule that won't ever change. THat is - if you can't pass, you can't play QB in the NFL. If you can't run but you can pass you can still be a successful QB. If you can pass and you can run too, that adds an extra dimension. But if you can't pass - no amount of running is going to make you capable of playing QB at the NFL level.
Thank You! The lone voice of reason on here if you can't pass your a trash QB just like Jalen Milroe
I said this as soon as Brady retired, he was the last of his era
Can you do a video about why busts happen with qbs
It's the natural response to dlinemen and Edge rushers running 4.5-4.7 40's. If the Edge rusher can go 4.5 you need a QB who can run 4.8 or lower to get him away from the guy.
Do QBs need to be mobile?
Yes. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk
But seriously, yes. The NFL made several rules changes in the early 2000s that were designed at protecting QBs.
Those rule changes allowed for the changes in the QB position.
Mike Vick was limited to scrambling because it was widely considered that a QB wouldn’t last in the NFL if they were exposed to the violence of NFL defense.
The rules eliminated most of that violence allowed against the QB outside the pocket.
I mean many Offense play callers weren't really keen on combining a QBs mobility with playing a dink and dunk type offense. At least not until Cam's 2018 season where under Norv Turner he did play something akin to that passing offense.
the defense has got to be able to hit this qbs
I feel like the growth and rise of mobile athletic qbs causes gms to build less around the qb slacking on good o line men because the qb can out run linemen in hawk fan and it kind of makes sense Russell’s mobility helped extend plays and John Schneider still refuses to build on the offensive line having a mobile is great but I don’t think that should be a huge requirement if he can sit in the pocket and you build a good offensive line around him to give him a lot of time and he can make good reads he’s still a good qb I feel like There is a narrative if he’s not athletic and he’s a pocket passer he can’t be elite or he’s a game manager or he isn’t elevating his team but with the atheletes now pocket passers are going to turn into improvisers
True but NFL defenses will adjust
Lamar changed the game 🤷🏿♂️
Imagine thinking a perennial choker changed anything.
Cam changed the game*
Lol, been mobile QBs since the 60s...
Steve young ran a 4.4 40... Randal Cunningham? Fran tarkinton in the 60s/70s averaged 5.5 yrds a carry and threw for 47 k yrds, 347 tds and 32 rushing tds In a defense and running back era! He also rushed for 3700 yrds Lol
I think it’s easier to coach a running QB
A pocket passer, The QB is needs to read everything after the snap. The coach reads the read D at pre-snap.
Running QB is also easier to draft with constantly.
Mobile QB is not new. It how it’s was played 100 years ago.
Right on queue
So heres my question: im an eagles fan, and i remember watching chip kelly's eagles. It seemed like a lot of teams just said "every time you option, we're just gonna hit your quarterback." That seemed sufficient to stop chip and his scheme. What has changed?
Teams are afraid of the fine
The success of the 21-suck strategy.
The last four standing QBs will be capable runners in this 24-25 season.
But hurts ain't that good
Not many super bowl victories by guys that are predominantly run first talents and cant properly read a def though.
The other downside is running QBs severely limit their longevity. Coaches will always prioritize short term success over a players longevity though
Pocket passers who can still effectively scramble are still the sweet spot
It is true that it's the age of the mobile qb. Every qb in the championship games is a deadly weapon with their legs...but think about the fact that Tom Brady, who runs like a newborn giraffe, won a Superbowl at 43 sharing a league with three out of the 4 current championship QBs...Anything is possible yall
IM STUCK WITH JARED GOFF THO 😩
Yes, you cannot hit a running quarterback anyway without adding 15-yard penalty.
Didnt stafford win a ring 3 years ago?
I already knew this a few years ago…
I absolutely disagree the game is as brutal as it was then. The current player safety rules is the exact reason it's not. You can't have it both ways. That said, I'm all for player safety and the game is in a much better place for everyone involved.
Fran Tarkington has entered the chat
Even Tom Brady 4.7 ass was mobile. The game hasn't changed like that QBs still go through there progressions but when you can run 4.3 it helps extend plays by a second or gain an extra 5 yards
No, you don't need to be mobile, but if you aren't mobile , then you need to be prolific from the pocket. Stafford is slow as dirt, but still easily a top 10 QB and someone who can take over games with his arm.
To everyone saying that its good for the sport, I just want to let everyone know this style of play would be shut down more often if defenses were allowed to be more physical against QBs.
Interestingly, the only remaining statue QB in the playoffs is Matt Stafford whose team is a 7 point underdog. There is definitely a true evolution in the game happening that some folks are a little salty about. No one is truly competing without a QB with mobility. And the true contenders are all designing at least some offense in which the QB is a threat as a ball carrier. All the thinly veiled racist talk about how only the "pocket passer" is the intellectual who can "truly win the game" is getting incinerated and tossed on the ash heap of sports history.
Stafford is less of a statue than Cousins this season. McVay does run play action passes mixed with shotgun passes for Stafford. Especially since the Rams have been building on their inside/power run game to punish teams that choose to play light boxes against them.
9:42 yeah, but also the new passing and QBs rules totally did not help this become the case
Just imagine how amazing guys like Vick, McNair, and Moon wpuld be in today's 'offense favoring' rules similar to the NBA. Which has only succeeded to harm the ability to play defense in both leagues 🙄😮💨
Mobility is required now because you can’t hit office of players. Every single one of these guys if they played in the 70s would not be good. Even in the 1980s they wouldn’t be able to last long.
This is why I don’t buy into anything that says a player. Today is the best quarterback ever it just won’t happen.
For the sake of argument, in the last 20 years only 2 mobile QB’s have won the SB, Mr Unlimited and Pat Mahomes. Only 2 others have even made it to the SB, Newton and Hurts. While this is an entertaining & trait to have in a QB, there is an argument to be made that it doesn’t win SB’s. Maybe things are changing though.
Let's make it since Cam Entered the league as that's when it really started to take off
Since then Cam, Hurts, Russ and Mahomes have all made the Superbowl - winning 4
4 in 13 years and 3 of them happening in the last 5
All QBs in the championship round are mobile
The time is now
Simple answer: no. Tom Brady (pocket passer) went to the Super Bowl 49% of his career, he has a higher percentage of going to the Super Bowl than Steph curry does to hit a 3. And he was a pure pocket passer. You could argue that there is not qbs who can read a defense quite like him anymore, I would agree. Or you could just say he’s the acception. And don’t give me different era bs, he won a Super Bowl recent enough. I think the raw athletic of a qb has been more pronounced in these last few drafts but that makes for qbs who can run and pass (very entertaining) but don’t really excel greatly in one because they use both so heavily. A great example of this is Lamar. Great athlete, crazy stats, but when he’s forced to pass, he simply cannot do it to the level of someone like a mahomes or Brady
Bro what are the lottery numbers? You clearly have a time machine or crystal ball.
Hot take, but mobile QBs are ruining the sport. QBs can do whatever they want by fake sliding. The defender either tackle the QB for a unnecessary roughness penalty or they hesitate and the QB rushes for 30+ yards. I guarantee that within 2 years a defender is over it and in the heat of the moment hits a QB hard and ends his career. Something needs to change.
Yeah, terrible take
@@ThinkingFootball Hey, to each their own.
@ No not really - terrible opinions dont deserve their own space.
Running QBs have always been a part of the game and are certainly not ruining it.
Also the whole 'I bet a defender is over it' literally happened this year in the Houston Jacksonville game - and he was rightfully clowned by everyone and suspended.
It's only this way because of the rule chages to prioritize safety.
If this ever changes it'll quickly snap back to how its always been.
Um,mobile quarterbacks have always been around like michael vick
Not this much though, damn near every qb in the league can scramble
Gotta have a dual threat qb 🎉😅
I think offensive lineman have gotten worse, kind of need mobility now.
In other words, the Lions are going to be screwed next season, and we're playing outdated football. Great.
Lions are playing great football, no need to make Goff a trashy running QB that cheapens the game
Thank you for the participation award QB Baker Mayfield. lol
Qbs should only be mobile if the play breaks down
Looks like high school football to me
lmao the Eagles made it to the SB in 2022 practically running a HS offense but having amazing athletes. Meanwhile you got these bottom feeder teams with OCs trying to replicate a 2018 McVay offense with a rookie QB and getting fired for their job with the inability to get results. Sometimes its all about Keeping It Super Simple.
Defenses need to go back to the smash mouth 250-260 lb MLB. They need to punish a team for running with their QB, an element of pain needs to be dealt to the QB every time he decides to run the ball.
Those 250lb LBers died because they can't chase anyone in the modern game
Good luck getting them to cover slot receivers going to the post or running QBs to the edge
Big run stuffing linebackers are extinct, and they ain't coming back
@@ThinkingFootball Yeah you are probably right ... until the NFL realizes this powder puff form of football is driving fans away and change the rules to favor football players again. Back in the old days the 160 pound WR would be put in the hospital if he dared run a route over the middle, and a QB scrambler usual got injured before the season was over.
6:35😂😂
So why does Caleb Williams look lost
Because he can't anticipate
I'm worried about the longevity of the QBs. As protected as they are, we all know the shelf life of RBs.
If a QB *have* to be mobile and quick, where does the wily 10 year veteran QB fit? If the league is going to be a rotating cast of under-27s that still have 2 functional knees, where is the talent going to come from? College can only produce so much NFL talent every year and there's no global talent base to pull from like the NBA.
Lamar in 2019 only had 176 rush attempts. Most teams don't even have a work horse RB that has 170 something rush attempts. With how rare a franchise QB is still, the most important thing for them is that they are competent pocket passers that can work in structure to move the ball in the pass game. It is up to OCs to be creative with how that QB can get involved in the run game especially in red zone/goal line situations even if the QB isn't a super athlete. What makes Mahomes so good as a scrambler even though he's not uber athletic is his ability throw on the move. But also reading defenses/angles and getting as much yardage as he can with his legs even if he's bumped out of bounds.
Goff didnt lose to washington becauee he wasnt mobile. He lost becauee he didnt hold onto the ball leading to a funble, made a bad read instead of checking it down to laporta (hes been bad in zone this seaosn) and didnt lort the ball to jameson williams which l3d to a pick. If he executed from the pocket better , they wouldve stood a better chsnce of winnig
“All these dudes can pass”. Sadly, not true. Signed: Raiders, Giants, Browns fans
Not really new it’s back to what it was. Running backs are back to. … they otto gram.
Yeah & next r the kickers those mfs gotta go especially after awhile.
No...
RG3 man ….