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- The AFC playoff picture still needs to settle as Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals will play host to Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills this week. Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs locked up their division already while Justin Herbert and the Los Angeles Chargers locked up a Wild Card spot. Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe debate who’s the best AFC QB.
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Right now yea maholmes but long term best for the future is burrow
And 2nd reason I'm going burrow maholmes is 0-4 against burrow
Lamar can’t pass like these guys. He’s dynamic in every other facet of the game.
Shannon speaks facts 💯! Old lady Skippy is nothing but a clown 🤡! He thinks people really care what his opinion is and only like to hear himself talk!
Mahomes could cure cancer and skip would still hate on him. Skip is one of these people that will hate on you no matter what you accomplish in life.
Yea🤣🤣Skip might say he shoulda cure Alzheimers too
skips hate for Mahomes is crazy 😐
@armandolerma5452 Can you imagine how much the hate would be if KC beat Dallas in the Super Bowl?
It's pathetic at this point. He needs to be replaced
I think he's just trolling. It wouldn't be interesting if both of them agreed on the same topic. He hates on a lot of top athletes that shannon and the fans know are really good players.
Skip knows lebron is near the end so Mahomes is taking his place for skip and his non sense
And yet, he'll defend Brady, and say if they happen to reach the playoffs with 7 wins, teams should fear Brady. No team fears Brady anymore they do fear Mahomes, Allen, hurts, when healthy, possibly Rodgers could still be in that mix as well.
Skip doesn’t even believe his own argument.
It’s a tv character he plays.
Fax
Well yes, did you think these guys actually held all these opinions, which just happen to be diametrically opposed on every issue? Lol, they don't script these shows in a literal sense, but they certainly guide and control what is said.
Once I heard joe burrow I just clicked off the vid
😂 I can’t believe skip even tries to say burrow is way better than maholmes
Mahomes is the only qb i know that isn’t allowed to make a single mistake all year or else he’s not the best
Thats cause these clowns have set his expectations too high. He’s very good but not God.
BIG FACTS
They clowns.
Reminder that Mahomes is the only QB that you can lose to but still get praised for almost beating.
@@MyVisualRomance EXACTLY ‼️
“It’s Patrick Mahomes and then 2nd 3rd and 4th” I found that hilarious and I’m a chargers fan
Exactly ‼️
I'm a Bengals fan and I second this.
Skip when Brady throws 3 picks and wins 17-16: "Did you see the goat of goats on that game-winning drive?!"
Skip when Mahomes throws 1 pick and wins 42-35: "...but he threw a pick..."
Honestly I hate pundits hitching wagons in any capacity. You can’t deny Shannon Sharpe didn’t decide last year that Maholmes was the MVP this year
@@iamtheoysterking naa you can’t put that label on Shannon. I hate it too but Shannon changes his mind with new info as an analyst should. He was saying it was Josh Allen through the 1st 6/7 weeks… then switched back to Mahomes then he said jalen hurts took the lead and now that he’s injured he’s back on Mahomes and I think that analysis is correct. Hitching your wagon is fine as long as you’re willing to admit you were wrong and that is where he differs from people like Skip.
The Favoritism be Real
@@xmusic1576 Shannon picked mahomes to win it before the season??
@@Twirlingz because they make predictions lol who cares about predictions.. the point is wether or not he’s objective enough to stray away from it and all year he has.. right now he’s saying it’s Mahomes but is it not? Lol 6 weeks in he said it was Josh Allen and 2 weeks ago he said it was jalen hurts.. he’s been objective all year
Mahomes is 1 but that number 2 debate is very interesting I lean towards Allen
Gimme Lamar at 2, Allen at 3, Burrow at 4, Herbert at 5.
Jalen Hurts for My Eagles at 6
@@thomassankara1391 lamar has been injured 2 years in a row. Has had 2 down years in a row.
I like Burrow over Allen. But both are elite
@sindilacion Josh Allen has also had 2 down years in a row. Nobody cares. Lamar gets Trevor Lawrence and Josh Allen in the Playoffs. Josh Allen is horrible against the Ravens defense. BAL will play KC in the AFCCG
@@thomassankara1391 lmao, ravens won’t even get past the 1st round. Bengals vs bills in afc championship.
Why is it so hard for skip to give mahomes his props... Josh Allen too
Mahomes ok. Allen is rated appropriately by skip
Allen will NEVER get the respect from Skip because he's already out performed his boy Baker Mayfield. Allen has his team on top of the AFC Conference ( at this moment) and just broke Dan Marino's record for the most touchdowns in his first 5 years.
Josh Allen is insanely overrated
Patrick is the only quarterback out of these choices with a MVP and Super Bowl MVP
HE CAN’T BEAT JOE.
Niners gave them that Super Bowl lmao Mahomes was terrible in that game.
0-3 against Joey b
@@rebeccalyle8443 Bengals have the way better roster talk about that
Facts!
Uncle shay came with the receipts....skip came with feelings.
Mahomes its not even a damn question and wont be for at least 6-7 years now 2-5 thats a real discussion
Lol. Burrow has hurt a lot of fanbases egos since he came into the league. I think people were ready for Mahomes to be the king for decades and all the sudden, there is a better, smarter QB in the league in Burrow.
@brianhartman7135 Lmao smarter better not even close burrow has 3 possible pro bowl wide outs if not they could be number 1s or twos on every team in the nfl mahomes is way better Nd that is a fact
@@brianhartman7135 Chiefs have lost every game due to a missed field goal. Go back and check each game I’m not wrong. If those field goals aren’t missed Patrick Mahomes leads the chiefs to an undefeated season
@@matthewgulley9725 This is pretty clearly not a fact, but it's not an unreasonable opinion either.
But I'm not sure on what planet the Bengals have 3 pro bowl receivers. Boyd has been in the league for 6 years, if he were a pro bowler he'd have made at least one pro bowl appearance in that time lol. Higgins is good and Chase is extremely good. But Burrow also has already shown he can do well without Chase, so the idea that he's relying on an insane receiving core to do well is pretty out-there. Burrow's good, and Mahomes is good, I don't think it's as clearcut as you make it out to be.
@@brianhartman7135 "better, smarter" LOL based on what? Please give some statistics? Do you have their college GPAs? Bro you just sound like a Bengals fanboy trying to crown a guy who has done it for 1-2 years. Dont get me wrong Burrow is a beast but he'd be the backup to Mahomes if they were on the same team and that's facts
Shannon talking facts and Skip making excuses for Burrow and other QB's
Facts
Yea but the Bengals did have a way tougher schedule this year and they have almost beat every team in the afc hunt. I think mahomes burrow and Allen are #1 in their own respective categories in how they play their game. Mahomes is #1 for now, but I think in the near future the tides are going to turn. Just an opinion
Talking about “eye test”
Skip has to play contrarian
Like what he Usually Does
Lamar Jackson has done more with Less. Never had a #1 WR and won a Unanimous MVP, Won a Playoff Game, and is the 3rd Winningest QB currently in the NFL behind Mahomes and Brady. The fact that he gets glossed over in these conversations is embarrassing and foul.
I think they are only talking about the qb’s that have a playoff spot . If the ravens have one then I think it’s because he’s not an MVP candidate this year .
He's been hurt this year, So was Herbert but he played through it.
@ajthecipher1588 Ravens Clinched a Playoff Berth already. The Media has been fawning over the other QBs and forget the only one who even is a potential threat to Mahomes, if he were able to win a SB (easier said than done).
Lamar has been mediocre this year he is not MVP worthy this year
Until Jackson shows he is a pocket passer, nobody cares. He is a running back that is seemingly hurt now every season.
Until someone dethrones Mahomes and wins the Superbowl and MVP.... it's him. It's that simple. Burrow and Allen got great offensive weapons and can sling it. Now can they actually cash it in.... oh and the only reason why im not puttin Lamar in this discussion yet is cuz that Greg Norman offense leaves much to be desired. Those other guys are tryna get to what Mahomes has already achieved. It's that simple.
Mahomes has a top O line and a future hall of famer in Kelce and coach in Reid.. tf are you talking about
@@brianhartman7135 burrow has jamar chase, Nixon, and a top 10 defense.. u act like he playing with bums
@@brianhartman7135 and where did that get the Chiefs until Mahomes got there?
@@brianhartman7135 He also has a bottom 10 defense. Plus a top 10 wr like Chase is much more valuable than any TE could be. Chase has more ypg and about as many tds per game. They are practically equal in the receiving game. Plus for half of his carrer he has had a bad O-line and still played extremely well.
By this logic Mahomes has yet to dethrone Rodgers even (if considering the whole NFL). Let's just focus on now lol.
First it was Lamar, then it was Allen, and now it’s Burrow 😂 literally since that first season in 2018 it’s been a race to find “the new Mahomes”
Lamar is the one guy who has the talent to match Mahomes but he doesn't have the organizational help around him. They completely wasted Lamar's rookie contract without giving him any weapons. If Lamar can escape and go to Miami he can legitimately challenge Mahomes.
I wonder who’s next because he clears everyone 😂 I wonder what he’s going to say when the chiefs somehow beat the eagles
That look on Shannon’s face at 2:40..🤣
Sharpe has facts and stats to backup his argument. Skip has nothing.
shannon talking that talk, people keep trying to make it a debate it’s just not mahomes on another level
Fr and I hate the chiefs
It is mahomes on another level 😂😂😂😂 it’s always mahomes vs the field
No have to disagree, Mahomes does not take over games without Tyreek. Allen is clearly the better athlete; bigger, faster, and a better arm than Mahomes. Arm talent is Allen, Herbert, Mahomes, old Aaron Rodgers, then everyone else.
@@bcornel5923 they only have 3 losses and he leads in everything half the time theres nun to take over 💀 its not close
@@bcornel5923 Allen don’t have a better arm than Mahomes
Mahomes leads in every QB stat and is in the Championship game every year
Skip:Joe Burrow plays the position at a little higher of a level😂😂😂
Josh Allen beast
Joe burrow great QB
Lamar incredible talent
Mahomes once In a lifetime football player
One thing for sure the afc has 4 of the 5 best qbs in the nfl.
5 out of 6… you gotta include Lamar
@@falcon0886eh not this year. Tua has been better
@@falcon0886 Why are you trying to include a running back??
Skip definitely loves to play the villain in these debates
Patrick Mahomes after losing to Josh Allen:
Comp-Att: 237/351%: 67.5%
TD-INT: 20-7
Passer Rating: 104.46
Passing Yards: 2,984
Record: 8-1
Josh Allen since beating Patrick Mahomes:
Comp-Att: 180/337
Comp %: 53.4%
TD/INT: 15-9
Win Loss: 7-2
Passer Rating: 75.64
Checking in as a massive Chargers and Herbert fan: it's Mahomes and it's not even a discussion. He's in a tier on his own. It's just not fun to even discuss anymore, so talk shows keep having segments like these.
I truly believe Herbert is going to be the one to challenge him for the top spot (as I said; I'm a fan), but I'll only believe it when I see it.
I'm a Josh Allen homer and even i know its 100% Patrick mahomes and it's not even close.
On resume, I agree. On talent, they are all right there with each other.
@@travisblair3189they're all really close to one another (well except Burrow, he actually is more a Brady type where he's not a slinger but he just knows what to do at the right time), but Mahomes has the edge on throwing that no one has ever done. Rodgers included, and he was the most talented QB by far before Mahomes came in. But Patty actually has done something that I didn't know was possible
he actually has learned how to use the football like a baseball.
So his throws are actually unbelievable, because there is no WAY he should be able to do them. It should be impossible. But he does it, literally almost every week. This dude can't be touched.
It's definitely Mahomes but it's close. The line between QBs is so close in the NFL. It's that extra 1% that makes all the difference.
@@travisblair3189 on talent 😂 delusional at best. Let me know when Allen's talent turns into 50 touchdowns in a season
@@IsaacMSingleton1 let me know when mahomes has back to back seasons of 4000+ passing yards, 750+ rushing yards
Nobody has done it once other than allen
He’s done it back to back
Never was Gronk mentioned this way when Brady was winning championships in NE. But Kelce is the greatest pass catching TE to discredit Mahomes. Also Burrow hasn’t won yet. Stop treating him like Brady.
What? Bruh everyone talked Gronk in NE, it was Brady+Gronk the same way it’s Mahomes+Kelce.
@@christianc487 naw Skip doesn’t EVERRRR mention Gronk
I agree that Burrow doesn't have enough of a resume to warrant this talk...you do see he has the character traits Brady has. In terms of his mental approach, work ethic, leadership, clutch, etc. They don't have similar playing styles, but I understand the comp in that respect
@@brooksorlando4881 same here. There’s something about burrow.
My personal favorite is the young Kurt Russell though.
@@Juntao1989 that's cause Brady won 4 without Gronkowski lol
So, Skip and other people going to forget about Patrick Mahomes first 3 years. This is the prime example of being stuck in the moment. Smh Patrick won an MVP, Superbowl, and Superbowl MVP in 2 years.
And destroyed in his next superbowl. Dont forget that. Seems like Mahomes fans (don't know if you are or not) but yea he is a great QB i enjoy watching him. And I hate the Chiefs!!! And Cowboys.. but Mahomes can ball!!:💪🏾. I can't hate on talent
5k yards 50 tds simple as that in his first year as a starter
@@Chris-ux5nl Pat Mahomes bout to win his 2nd MVP
@@FaceFamous mahomes scrambled for over 1,000 yards in the super bowl when he got beat by brady. the o line was non existent & look at the numbers nobody was catching the ball. nobody was helping him. he can’t throw it & catch it but go off
I’m in awe of the straight face skip had for his whole take 🤣
Mahomes is clearly the best but I also wanna add that Lamar belongs in this tier considering he does more with less and just finds ways to win
Lamar gets hurt because he's tge worst thrower of the football in the group, but he still gets it done. Would love to see my Patriots scoop him up
@@michaeldonnelly7256 he also has the worst weapons of the group look at what Philly did for hurts after saying he couldn’t throw consistently in the nfl. They gave him Devonta Smith in 2021 and aj brown in 2022 and now look at him. look what they did for Josh Allen after people were questioning his accuracy. They gave him Diggs in 2020 and he hasn’t looked back since. give Lamar a true number 1 and we can really see what he can do
@@deacon3276 I'm with you bro. I'm just saying his accuracy is the worst in the group,eye test, but he's still elite.
I want my team to get him. Don't have to argue w me🤣
Leaving out Lamar (and Lawrence honestly) is a mistake
@@michaeldonnelly7256 oh for sure I want my team the commanders to get him as well 😂 we have the weapons I just wanna qb and I believe Lamar would be great wherever he goes
Skip: “He didn’t have jamar for 3 games”
Shannon: “We ain’t had tyreek all year.”
I would take Mahomes first. Followed closely by Burrow, then Allen. Allen needs to at least make the SB this year to elevate him. There are no excuses left for him. He has talent all around him.
Allen is playing injured tho
@@smokedogggg8374that there would be an excuse. A lot of players playing hurt this time of year.
@@smokedogggg8374 The injury has not hampered him. We are talking playoff football here.
@Smoke Dogggg he's still running trying to truck and hurdle people, so that argument is kind of dead imo
@@mtf88 that’s not what injured him idiot lol him running compared to him throwing the ball is completely different you obviously never played football
Look at the schedule that the Chiefs have been playing versus the schedule Burrow and the Bengals have had. Burrow had played tougher teams and better defenses than the Chiefs and Mahomes has had the chance to have the Texans, Jaguars, Cardinals, Colts, Rams, and 2 games against the Raiders, Broncos, and Seattle. Weigh the stats against the defenses and teams and Mahomes stat advantage doesn't look so tough or large enough to justify the hype. Patrick Mahomes is a awesome quarterback no doubt but Burrow is playing MVP caliber football and playing the leagues divisional leaders every week and even touched up the Chiefs and outplayed Mahomes for the third time in 2022.
The Broncos have had a top 5 defense all year. Bucs had a top 10 defense. 49ers had the #1 defense in the league and Mahomes put 44 on them. Chiefs have also faced all the AFC division leaders, plus the 49ers, plus the Chargers are a playoff team and got swept. Plus the Jags are in the hunt and the Chiefs handled them too. Mahomes has better numbers than Burrow and more wins without Tyreek Hill and without a good defense. The MVP race is not even close at this point.
Out of these 4 it has to be the dude who won a Super Bowl first, then the dude who lost a Super Bowl, then the dude that played in the playoffs, then the dude just making the playoffs. Mahomes burrow Allen Herbert.
Herbert not above Lamar or Hurts. Stop it
@@thejuniors5345 he definitely is
Jalen “let me claim an injury now so when I choke in the playoffs I got something to blame” hurts?
And
Lamar “I’m the best throwing mediocre running back” Jackson?
No thank you.
I’m sorry but as far as winning a Super Bowl is concerned, mahomes is about as mobile as you should be in the modern nfl and he’s still 2 rings behind Steve young. Everyone should go back to studying Brady/manning/Montana/aikman or even Bradshaw.
Chiefs fan but I admire Burrow's cool head and toughness under duress. He is very accurate, even with pressures and sacks. Mahomes makes some unbelievable plays that only a few QBs can make. Mahomes and the offense need to be more consistent in playoff games. Sometimes the offense disappears for an entire half (AFCCG against the Patriots, SB against the Niners, against the Texans down 24-0, and against Cincy up big at halftime and basically nothing in the 2nd half. Bengals are the better overall team. Their defense is very good
If kelce doesn't fumble this year, chiefs win by 10
@@notthatguypal14 But he did and they lost!
@@notthatguypal14 I was referring to playoff games
Chiefs overrated af
@@Tuuufff yea the only team to host 4 straight title games and go to 2 super bowls in that time is overrated 😂
If mahomes faced a defense like the chiefs he would b really unstoppable but he has to face every top defense every year and still put up bigger numbers
The one with about to be
2 MVPs
A Superbowl MVP
2 AFC titles
4 straight home AFC Championship games
5 straight division titles
And a 62-16 career record
Notice how he couldn’t say “Take Keenan Allen or Mike Williams from Herbert” because guess what 😱? That’s been the story for him all season
EXACTLY‼️ Justin Herbert has been nothing short of impressive.
Keenan Allen played 16 games last year and 14 the year before.
Mike Williams played 16 last year and 15 the year before.
Herbert still didn’t make the playoffs…
With him y’all still lose make the playoffs then talk
Well yes but also you have to consider the fact that the chargers suffered from that significantly record wise. You take mahomes best weapon from him and he finishes (likely) 14-3 the next season.
@@Dankilicious123 Still 14-3 would likely be good enough for a top 2 seed in the AFC and another AFC west title
Mahomes MVP
Cant really go wrong with any of them but I'd definitely take Mahomes out of these guys
For sure I'm taking mahomes lol
Those other guys cant even compare to Mahomes
If Burrow and Mahomes were on the same team, Burrow would be the best backup in the league.
😂😂😂😂😂
Burrow would demand a trade since he was a portal guy in college
Mahomes has been the best QB in the NFL since 2018, end of discussion.
Rodgers was the best QB 20 and 21
@@DeportillegalAliens he was a glorified Alex Smith that stat padded with 1 yard TD passes, stop.
Brady has more rings in that time🤷🏼♂️
@@zahslu7748 team game. Better defense
@@DeportillegalAliens no Mahomes is elite in the playoffs as well
Joe Burrow
What is he talking about Burrow played without chase for like 6 weeks and went 5-1 and go Check his numbers without chase so what is he talking bout ?
Like I been saying Patrick Mahomes is The Steph Curry of the NFL
Nah mahomes is lebron
Someone needs to tell Shannon that Patrick is already in a committed relationship with Nick, Wright.
Someone needs to tell Skip that Mahomes isn’t #2 and he’s gotta stop hating. Obviously number 1
😂😂😂😂😂😂
nick won't mind lol
Burrow was still throwing Parties without Chase💀
Not really he was alr without him because he still had Higgins who is a wr1 any where else he goes. So like Burrow has all the weapons in the world. Take chase and Higgins away than we'll see if Burrow is elite or not, but as long as one of them is playing he'll be looking like an mvp
he still had higgins who is a WR1 on most teams, he has the best trio of weapons in the league, with a top 10 RB, he’s still an elite QB to me, but i feel people forget the weapons he has, they wanna trash hurts for his weapons, but forget burrow’s weapons r better than his
Lollll almost lost to the patriots
Higgins is a number 1 at 75% of teams currently in the NFL the guy is *legit*
Higgins at KC would easily be the number 1 WR and number 2 only to Kelce
@@joset9240 Burrow has made Trenton Irwin and Mitchell Wilcox look like pro bowlers. Actually watch Bengals games before you post this nonsense.
Burrow (BIG weapons): Chase, Higgins, Boyd, Mixon
Mahomes (BIG weapons): Kelce, Juju, Pacheco
It's Mahomes, and it's not close
I don’t trust Mahomes in the playoffs? 😂😂😂 Patrick could end this season with more payoff wins than Brees, Aikman, and Warner. In year 5 as a starter.
4 years 4 title games 😂 yet burrow beating him once means burrow is better. Mahomes already has 2 super bowl appearances, i think number 3 is coming in 2023
Joe Burrow has Mixon, Chase, Boyd, and Higgins.
Mahomes has Kelce and a bunch of other guys.
To me, it’s Mahomes. Burrow is coming, but he has to win an MVP with all those damn weapons before we crown him.
I think burrows weapons are a little overrated
Jamarr missed 4 games. There wasn’t a single bit of drop off. With burrow.
Mahomes 4 straight AFC Championship games. Joe burrow 1 ? Lol this is crazy
Mahomes then my LSU boi Burrow.. 1 and 2 in my eyes
Chargers fan since I started watching football when I was 9 years old this ain't a question ... Mahomes
"Take Ja'Marr Chase away"
They did. When he was injured earlier this season. Yet Burrow and the Bengals still played really good.
Higgins imo is a top 10 WR very underrated and Boyd is top 5 slot WR so he’s has 3 top 25 WRs and Joe Mixon
Naaa they got blown out by the browns without chase on prime time
Very true. But be real, it’s Mahomes through and through. Burrow isn’t throwing to Juju and Christian Watson. Kelce is only one guy. Higgins and Boyd are both two of the best #2 receivers in the league. Pair Mahomes with Higgins and Boyd and he’d have 5500 yards by week 12
@@kelpshake8217 boyed isn't even top 10
Against Cooper Rush?? How’d he do? 😂😂😂😂
People don’t talk about Kansas City and their coaching. Give Burrow Andy Reid and you’ll see some insane wild pass numbers also
Think about this Tyler boyd would probably be the best receiver on the chiefs. Give Mahomes the established weapons that burrow has and he’d run the league (he already does)
Put mahomes in the AFC North and he would never be a 1st seed again.
@@howtocookwithme2985 why not? The Bengals? Wait til the playoffs this season and we will see if Bengals are still this chosen team, when is the last time a super bowl loser made it back the very next season? It won't be this season either
@@howtocookwithme2985 ok they were the 2 seed last year lol
Mahomes is the clear cut #1, but #2 Is Between Lamar, Allen, Burrow, and Herbert is behind all those guys.
Lamar sucks
Lamar?😂😂 2 down years in a row with injuries.
All 32 teams would rather have Herbert than lamar lmao
Lamar isn’t 2 joe borrow is literally better with a worse team lmao
Lamar is a good QB but doesn’t belong in that convo. I’d put Allen, Burrow, and Herbert in that order. Lamar is in the tier of Trevor, Aaron, Brady, Tua, and Hurts. Lamar isn’t top 10 for me
Nobody ever brings up the fact that every post season loss besides the Tampa conundrum was loss in overtime
That stat about the 4500 yard seasons is crazy lol
Joe Burrow has not outplayed Patrick Mahomes. He outplayed the Chiefs defense. Last I checked, Patrick Mahomes does not play defense.
this.
So why do we care about some of Brady’s rings. He got carried for plenty of them
One could say that about Mahomes. He did not beat Allen in the playoffs, he beat a tired Bills defense with the fastest receiver in football.
@@bcornel5923 yes, I could be a hypocrite
The point is that I'm not
@@bcornel5923 you're missing the point. Tired or not, Bills had a better defense than the Chiefs. Bengals have had a better defense than the Chiefs. So in these QB vs QB talking points, Mahomes has always faced the better defense....vs Allen, vs Burrow, vs Lamar, vs Brady, vs 49ers QB....throughout his whole career
Skip needs to go back and watch that 3rd down play from the Super Bowl. The play was called “wasp” I believe. Mahomes floated that ball to perfect spot in space to Tyreek.
Let’s talk mental and physical toughness. Mahomes had a come of of 24 down. Then one of 10 down in AFC championship game vs titans. And then a 10 point comeback in the superbowl to win by 11 in 8 minutes. That is mental toughness not to mention his knee cap was dislocated and he came back after 2 game that is physical. Toughness.
I wish we could see all four quarterbacks on the field in the playoffs.
We probably will, Mahomes and Allen already clinched, Burrow is almost there and Herbert is on a hot streak right now
@@Phenomiracle Burrow clinched last week.
Mahomes is the answer and he is not even close. Skip is on something. What Mahomeboy is doing without Hill seals the deal. Best qb ever
Word, EVERYBODY is quiet and forgot they were saying Mahome’s was going to fall off without Hill. The man continues being legendary and now not a word
@@UpNorthCatsFan Facts
Best ever?
@@zahslu7748 he’s definitely buggin with that statement, but Mahome’s is in fact one of the most impressive and accomplished QB we have seen since Rodgers and Brady
@@zahslu7748 he might be. Has all the traits Brady has plus better physical skillset
"When he was in Philly, he had a lot of good players he had a Jeremy Maclin, T.O., he had DJax, he had Brian Westbrook out the backfield, he had Donovan it didn't look like this"
Whatever skip is on! I need that in my life!
Mahomes won the sb at 24 years old, youngest sb mvp, everyone else is too old for that award 😐
He won with Tyreke Hill
Actually the youngest SB MVP is Brady IIRC
Mahomes should be number 2 and 3rd youngest QB to a win a SB after Brady and Big Ben
@@samuelmorse784 yet the chiefs are still playing outstanding without him this year.
@@Lakeshow11 they won't get to Super Bowl tho
"It's Patrick Mahomes then it's 2nd, 3rd and 4th and whoever you wanna put 2nd, 3rd and 4th"
Mahomes is in the #1 spot and it’s not an argument. The numbers alone prove it. This season and over the course of the last 2 seasons. Mahomes has also been the only constant in any MVP conversation since he’s become a starter. None of the other 3 guys can say that. The list of reasons is truly too long to explain why Mahomes is above the other 3. The other 3 guys are incredible and I really don’t wanna take anything away from them, but the only answer to this question is Patrick Mahomes
I love how the ravens also clinched the playoffs
I just noticed this, look how organized Shannon is compared to skip, I think you could use it as symbolism of skips mental state.
If it’s a hoarders home yeah you’d have a case but a man’s papers on a desk like they have? No, you’re looking for any small reason, you’re wrong bro lol
Being ‘disorganized’ at that level means absolutely nothing lol
Mahomes have real competition now to challenge him its not as easy as it was for him 4 years ago since his ascendance into becoming a QB phenom. His first 3 seasons as a starter his arch nemis had been TB12. Now its Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lamar and Hurts.
He already delivered, everyone is playing catch up. He’s the youngest sb mvp those other guys are too old
It’s easier when your on your rookie deal only difference is mahaomes capitalized will they?
Mahomes is destined for GREATNESS, he's the youngest QB to lead all passing stats in his first 5 seasons he's been starting so far, it's like he's breaking a record every other week and plus he beat some really good teams in the playoffs he just made it look easy and if he retired after this season he'd be a LOCK IN for 1st Ballot Hall of Famer
Aaron Rodgers, too. Aaron Rodgers numbers were identical to Mahomes in that 3 Year Stretch.
@@sirhoopalot1125 Josh Allen doesn't even have a single afc title game appearance, same with Herbert, while pat is playing to host a 5th straight afc title game,which has never been done. Now imagine if Josh Allen had pats resume and pat had Allen's resume, you would never even hear pat as a top 10 qb and Allen would be called better than Brady
As a Charger fan and as much I hate it, Mahommes is #1. It's frustrating watching him take games over and winning them.
All these QBs are great in there on way I think any of these QBs could put each other out in the playoffs
Mahomes is first then everyone else
Mahomes, Josh, Borrow etc.
@Howard Bueker wouldn’t disagree! I’d take any 3 of those great QB here in Pittsburgh! Lol
“ There’s only one answer an that’s Patrick mahomes.”
Why is skip always telling somebody who’s better than him in his sport.. Shannon needs to start telling him who’s better than him in his PROFESSION.. another undercut shot from skip Payless.
I have to agree with Shannon on this one. Mahomes is definitely the best and I don’t think it’s close. Sometimes I wonder if Skip even watches football!!
Joe Burrow. He really does remind me of Brady. Cool, collected, makes everyone around him better from just being there and is crazy talented.
Burrow is also the smartest QB of the four, he knows how to exploit mismatches and read defenses better. Mahomes, Allen and Herbert shine through their athleticism when plays extend or breakdown
@@Phenomiracle so? mahomes is way better than Joe burrow. I hate players like Joe burrow. just another Brady, unathletic, system player that plays off of checkdowns and unguarded flats. mahomes can run better, throw better, more athletic, more wins, more adaptive, able to win without his best players, superbowl, mvp and going for his second. Joe burrow beat him head to head and they were all flukes. first one, chase had a career game and chiefs defence sold, second one, defence showed up, burrow really didnt do that much and sure the third one was fair but mahomes has a better record
@@Phenomiracle Mahomes has the mental side as well. It's part of the hate/ignorance/fatigue with Mahomes that it doesn't get talked about.
@@blick5511 Mahomes' highlights are all athletic plays that happen when everything breaks down, not really any adjustments or audibles
Burrow is the least talented of the 4. Go win a superbowl first. I guarantee Burrow never wins a Super Bowl.
I like how skip hyped up Joe burrow aka the chosen one but it may be different come playoff time
This idea that Burrow is a "safer" player than Mahomes is a weird one.
This season Burrow Picks: 12
Mahomes: 11
Burrows interceptions for his career in nearly 3 seasons and 41 games total played: 31 interceptions
Patrick Mahomes in 50 games played in the last 3 seasons: 30 interceptions
So I don't get it. Mahomes has played 9 more games and has 1 less interception but somehow Burrow is seen as less of a gunslinger than Mahomes?
Skip is so high on Brady to the point he plays it two ways if Brady plays bad he's 45 with no help but if he wins he's the gold standard
Joe burrow his schedule with the level of adversity he faced, missing half his offensive starters and the appendix surgery. 0-2 start to 11-4 with 4260 yards.
Haha that's weak compared to Herbert, he's faced fractured ribs, literally his whole offense being out most of the year, his oc being horrible as always, and has been able to lead his team to the playoffs. Burrow still had Higgins and Boyd, and Mixon, and his o line has been playing really good, not to mention bengals defense has been top 10 thos year.
Give mahomes the team burrow has I bet he would win 3 Super Bowls in a row
Well Mahomes #1 but for the #2 qb its Burrow
@@sabastianturner1563 As if the team Mahomes has isn't enough already?
@israelp348 Smfh mahomes has a good tight end that’s it no elite running bck like mixon Nd bengals have 3 possible pro bowl wide outs mahomes nun Nd bengals D is better then the chiefs mahomes is working with nothing but one weapon Nd is still in the MVP convo Nd his team has only loss 3 games come on YALL don’t know football
Skip Bayless is such a hater. So let me get this straight Joe Burrow hasn't done much in his entire time in the NFL while Mahomes has a Reg. Season MVP, Super Bowl MVP and a Super Bowl ring. Burrow has no MVP, one Super bowl and no rings. And Allen still needs to show more in the Playoffs until I can believe in him.
Getting sacked should not be counted in Borrow's favor. If you have to go there you need to rethink your conclusions.
We just ignore the fact that the Chiefs have had the worse defense out of the 2 for last 2 years, the Chiefs are currently one of the worse passing defenses this season yet Burrow has always needed a field goal to beat them🤷♂️
And outside of the AFCCG, Mahomes has played really well against the Bengals. The Chiefs just haven’t been able to cover their 3 receivers or get pressure.
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It's funny how Shannon brings up winning a championship in favor of Maholmes, but in the goat debate winning doesn't hold as much weight
Well I mean winning a chip does matter. You can debate how many but at least win one
@@jackdiddIey I agree that it matters and how you win it matters. I'm just bringing up Shannon's hypocrisy
Shannon acknowledges Brady as the goat tho
Mahomes.has all the early career individual records though. Brady didn't, he just has the long term cumulative records
What are you talking about? Shannon is on the record, dozens of times saying Brady is the goat. You are conflating who he thinks is the most talented, with who is most accomplished.
Skip is absolutely right on his assessment of Burrow give it time he's going to prove to everybody he's one of the best if not the best. He doesn't have to rely on a cannon for an arm or a great ability to scramble and leap over people or to throw across his body side arm and do crazy stuff. He just drops back and carves up your defense.
Joe Burrow has me dead!!! It’s Patrick Mahomes all freaking day!! No one comes close!! 😂😂😂
Until the New England game, Joe burrow's last five interceptions had come off of tipped passes at the line of scrimmage. Tyler boyd just let the defender intercept that ball last week and then it was some miscommunication on the zero blitz pick six play in the second half.
Until the New England game Joe Burrow still has zero super bowls
@@gfunkera keep bringing up a team stat like that means anything
@@brennenlewis13bl 0 super bowls cry about it aaron donald owns joe
@@bondsicko LMAO who cares about rings its his 2nd year
@@brennenlewis13bl cry
If burrow wins a super bowl and beats mahomes again in the playoffs it has to be burrow
If this happens they will still claim that Mahomes is better
And Mahomes could win another MVP, another Superbowl, and another Superbowl MVP this year and people will still claim that Burrow is "on the same level or tier" as Mahomes
@@blick5511 hard to argue he isn't on the same tier both in their first full seasons went to the superbowl with suspect defenses and burrow outplayed him on his way there. Mahomes definitely has the edge with arm talent but Burrow is clearly special.
Top notch QBs
What a feeling it must be to have one...
Leave the accolades out. Burrow Allen and Mahomes all the play the position just as effectively as one another. It really comes down to personal preference.
Hold on, Andy did great with Vick, McCoy, and D-Jack as well. Almost made it to a Superbowl that season had it not been for that dropped touchdown late in the 4th against the eventual champions Green Bay😪
Yeah and he didn’t win the Super Bowl with either and Alex Smith had Kelse and Hill
@@cutty8224 yeah funny how the dude's been around for decades and can't win it all, and then Mahomes shows up and all of a sudden Andy has a ring.
If you don't hate mahomes it's very easy to admit Andy Reid only won because of pat, otherwise he would have dome it with McNabb and Owen's, or Vick, or Alex Smith. He has always been an offensive genius with a qb who couldn't maximize the system and now he has mahomes and we all see the results
Lazy people are always talking about how the Chiefs were "winners" before Mahomes but none of them know the details. Andy had 1 playoff win in 5 years before Mahomes. They were a 10-6 team that lost in the wildcard round to Marcus Mariota and the Titans the year before Mahomes became the starter.
The 2004 Eagles were a dominant team. If TO doesnt get hurt, rhey win the SB and are remembered as a historically dominant team. Adjusting for statistical inflation, that 04 Eagles team was as dominant as any team that Reid/Mahomes have had in KC. TO got hurt and the Eagles played thr 2 time defending champs with young, prime Tom Brady as opposed to KC playing an inexperienced SF team withba shaky QB that the HC didnt trust. Amazing Shannin doesnt rememnder what that 04 team in Philly did. Cant compare raw stats as it was a different ers. But they were equally.dominant, if not moreso. And the NFL was loaded in 04. The Patriots, Steelers, Colts. Eagles. Chargere, Falcons, Jets,
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Absolutely not
“He plays the position at a higher level” is just insane to even say 🤣🤣🤣
Mahomes is the 4th most pressured QB in the league
Kelce deserves league MVP. But it doesn’t matter, give it to Maholmes.
MVP usually doesn’t win the SB anyways.
It seems like pass catching players never get their flowers in the mvp race since when people look at yards and receptions, you always link thr QB to the receivers. Kelce is just suffering from the fact his position isn't as vital as Pat's. I agree with u that position for position, Kelce is as good as anyone in the league this year and has been for years now !
Please explain how Kelce would deserve MVP over Mahomes
@@Sam-db9uf he is THE best TE of all time. He is better at TE than Maholmes is at QB and that is saying something.
@@blick5511 considering that he is both the best catching and blocking TE in the league and you’d be hard pressed to argue for a better catching TE all time… I think the burden of proof is on someone arguing that Maholmes and that offense does anything without him.
@@iamtheoysterking blocking TE ? Kelce isn't really a blocker, and as far as blocking TEs, Kittle is in a league of his own rn. Reception wise tho you're a 100% right !
Allen puts the bills on his back quite literally, hard to say he isn’t 2nd. Also has to do with WR with the most drops and that’s not Allen’s fault